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Status of Shortwave.
Hi everyone:
Newbie to this group. I have listened to several short wave Radio Stations and used to be a DXer in India almost 15 years ago. (one of my favorites wsas Radio Netherlands, Jonathan Marks). Had collected some QSL cards back then but no longer have them. However, after I moved to North America I got a shortwave radio and tried listening just once. It was an average SW Radio from Phillips. Just got BBC and VOA. That was it. With Internet and Cable TV, I assume that SW has greatly decreased in the US from my past experience. Based on the same, SW Radio is expected to have become more prominent in other parts of the World or atleast have remained the same as it was in the long term past. What is the current status of SW Radio ? Perhaps others here with more hands on experience currently can confirm this. This will be a great learning for the rest of us. Thanks. Vijay |
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"Vijay" wrote in message om... Hi everyone: Newbie to this group. I have listened to several short wave Radio Stations and used to be a DXer in India almost 15 years ago. (one of my favorites wsas Radio Netherlands, Jonathan Marks). Had collected some QSL cards back then but no longer have them. However, after I moved to North America I got a shortwave radio and tried listening just once. It was an average SW Radio from Phillips. Just got BBC and VOA. That was it. With Internet and Cable TV, I assume that SW has greatly decreased in the US from my past experience. Based on the same, SW Radio is expected to have become more prominent in other parts of the World or atleast have remained the same as it was in the long term past. What is the current status of SW Radio ? Perhaps others here with more hands on experience currently can confirm this. This will be a great learning for the rest of us. Thanks. Vijay There's still plenty of activity on SW radio. You should have heard much more than the BBC and VOA. But some bands are better at different times than others. And some days are better than others. There's alot of stations just above the old standard SW bands now, and your radio might not tune them. Your radio may have a problem causing poor sensitivity. Which bands were you tuning across and what times were you trying to listen? What model Philips radio do you have? Frank Dresser |
Vijay:
Shortwave is evolving rapidly.. It WAS the only way to get news years back; ( history snipped) Now it is a very good source for news, entretainment, information; Bouncing down off the Ionosphere from Antigua, or Ascension Island, Or Australia.. & besides; - Shorwave is just Cool !! http://www.complexvariablesstudio.co...planet_001.htm Dan In article , Fred Garvin writes: Hi everyone: Newbie to this group. I have listened to several short wave Radio Stations and used to be a DXer in India almost 15 years ago. (one of my favorites wsas Radio Netherlands, Jonathan Marks). Had collected some QSL cards back then but no longer have them. However, after I moved to North America I got a shortwave radio and tried listening just once. It was an average SW Radio from Phillips. Just got BBC and VOA. That was it. With Internet and Cable TV, I assume that SW has greatly decreased in the US from my past experience. Based on the same, SW Radio is expected to have become more prominent in other parts of the World or atleast have remained the same as it was in the long term past. What is the current status of SW Radio ? Perhaps others here with more hands on experience currently can confirm this. This will be a great learning for the rest of us. Thanks. Vijay Shortwave is alive and well. You should hear a lot more than those 2 stations. Tell us your set-up and folks will give you tips. |
Diverd4777 wrote: Vijay: Shortwave is evolving rapidly.. It WAS the only way to get news years back; ( history snipped) Now it is a very good source for news, entretainment, information; Bouncing down off the Ionosphere from Antigua, or Ascension Island, Or Australia.. & besides; - Shorwave is just Cool !! Agreed. I started in 1965, and back then there were countless international broadcast stations, and they stayed with the same broadcast frequencies for years (there is a reason why old shortwave radios frequently have "countries" marked in varous places around the dial. Today, the Intl. broadcasters are fewer, overall. But a much better radio and antenna than I had in 1965 allows me to hear much more that is (in many cases was) always out there, too. Overall, it is a good time for shortwave right now. Tony http://www.complexvariablesstudio.co...planet_001.htm Dan In article , Fred Garvin writes: Hi everyone: Newbie to this group. I have listened to several short wave Radio Stations and used to be a DXer in India almost 15 years ago. (one of my favorites wsas Radio Netherlands, Jonathan Marks). Had collected some QSL cards back then but no longer have them. However, after I moved to North America I got a shortwave radio and tried listening just once. It was an average SW Radio from Phillips. Just got BBC and VOA. That was it. With Internet and Cable TV, I assume that SW has greatly decreased in the US from my past experience. Based on the same, SW Radio is expected to have become more prominent in other parts of the World or atleast have remained the same as it was in the long term past. What is the current status of SW Radio ? Perhaps others here with more hands on experience currently can confirm this. This will be a great learning for the rest of us. Thanks. Vijay Shortwave is alive and well. You should hear a lot more than those 2 stations. Tell us your set-up and folks will give you tips. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
Welcome.
However, after I moved to North America I got a shortwave radio and tried listening just once. It was an average SW Radio from Phillips. Just got BBC and VOA. That was it. In what part of North America are you presently located? That makes a big difference in what can be heard and when. This (Friday) morning, at 1400 UTC, I tuned in to Clay Douglas on 12160 kHz. I didn't hear him but there were many other stations on that frequency, several being about the same strength. That was on my little jWIN, using my metal chandelier as an antenna in my metal-sheathed mobilehome. I was tempted to get serious with my DX-392, but I had some work I had to do. 73, Bill, K5BY SE Texas |
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om... Hi everyone: Newbie to this group. I have listened to several short wave Radio Stations and used to be a DXer in India almost 15 years ago. (one of my favorites wsas Radio Netherlands, Jonathan Marks). Had collected some QSL cards back then but no longer have them. However, after I moved to North America I got a shortwave radio and tried listening just once. It was an average SW Radio from Phillips. Just got BBC and VOA. That was it. With Internet and Cable TV, I assume that SW has greatly decreased in the US from my past experience. Based on the same, SW Radio is expected to have become more prominent in other parts of the World or atleast have remained the same as it was in the long term past. What is the current status of SW Radio ? Perhaps others here with more hands on experience currently can confirm this. This will be a great learning for the rest of us. Thanks. Vijay Other than the BBC making a formal decision quit broadcasting to the United States due to the internet & satellite communications as well as a few others doing the same, there is still LOTS of shortwave activity... or, rather, at least plenty for the shortwave enthusiast to tune into. Like a few others here suggested, you may be listening at the wrong place at the wrong time or using a reciever that isn't up to snuff anymore do to some needed maintenance. You should try buying (or looking up online) a shortwave broadcast guide that gives you broadcast times, frequencies, formats, callsigns, etc of shortwave stations worldwide so you can track them down. Also try putting up a better antenna, or more antennas cut for different parts of the shortwave spectrum for more effecient reception. try this guide that I use... it's fairly comprehensive... http://www.anarc.org/naswa/swlguide/ Clint KB5ZHT -- ------ "NOOOO!!!! It's HORRIBLE! Say it isn't SO! This is the worst news possible! ARRRGG!" - The collective scream of liberals everywhere at the news that Saddam had been captured ------ 45 Communist Goals for America http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm -- |
Clint wrote: "Vijay" wrote in message om... Hi everyone: Newbie to this group. I have listened to several short wave Radio Stations and used to be a DXer in India almost 15 years ago. (one of my favorites wsas Radio Netherlands, Jonathan Marks). Had collected some QSL cards back then but no longer have them. However, after I moved to North America I got a shortwave radio and tried listening just once. It was an average SW Radio from Phillips. Just got BBC and VOA. That was it. With Internet and Cable TV, I assume that SW has greatly decreased in the US from my past experience. Based on the same, SW Radio is expected to have become more prominent in other parts of the World or atleast have remained the same as it was in the long term past. What is the current status of SW Radio ? Perhaps others here with more hands on experience currently can confirm this. This will be a great learning for the rest of us. Thanks. Vijay Other than the BBC making a formal decision quit broadcasting to the United States due to the internet & satellite communications as well as a few others doing the same, there is still LOTS of shortwave activity... or, rather, at least plenty for the shortwave enthusiast to tune into. Like a few others here suggested, you may be listening at the wrong place at the wrong time or using a reciever that isn't up to snuff anymore do to some needed maintenance. You should try buying (or looking up online) a shortwave broadcast guide that gives you broadcast times, frequencies, formats, callsigns, etc of shortwave stations worldwide so you can track them down. Also try putting up a better antenna, or more antennas cut for different parts of the shortwave spectrum for more effecient reception. try this guide that I use... it's fairly comprehensive... http://www.anarc.org/naswa/swlguide/ But... bear in mind it has not been updated since June 8. It has information for the a03 season, and not the current b03. Clint KB5ZHT -- ------ "NOOOO!!!! It's HORRIBLE! Say it isn't SO! This is the worst news possible! ARRRGG!" - The collective scream of liberals everywhere at the news that Saddam had been captured ------ 45 Communist Goals for America http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm -- |
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On 20 Dec 2003 00:21:24 GMT
Fred Garvin wrote: Shortwave is alive and well. You should hear a lot more than those 2 stations. Tell us your set-up and folks will give you tips. I agree with all the other posters here that shortwave is very cool !!! I listened on my SW Radio in India several years ago as the Berlin Wall came down. Radio DW sent me even a piece of the wall !!! Don't have it anymore. I was also sent books to learn Russian from Radio Moscow (long before the USSR broke). Didn't followup on that though. I moved several times and gave things away during the move. Hence, don't have that SW Radio anymore. Had it like 10 years back. Never really had an external Antenna for it. It was an Indian model, most stations had local relay in India and so it probably wasn't that great. For the present I have several activities. However, in the long term future I might look again at SW radio. It is so relaxing. No need to stare at the screen like when using a PC or seeing TV. Gives a feeling of being connected to the rest of the World. One of my favorite Stations in India was the Christian Science Monitor from Boston for its clear reception. Presently I live in Quebec, Canada. What would be a fairly decent but not too high end shortwave Radio to look at for a beginner ? Thanks. Vijay |
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On 19 Dec 2003 04:32:14 -0800
(Vijay) wrote: Great Answer to my Question online at: http://www.speedline.ca/grundig/ Also, lots of SW Radio's on ebay under $20 and some even around $10 !!! However, they are not in Canada. Vijay |
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:04:31 GMT
"David Eduardo" wrote: SW radios are at nearly every electronics and gadget store. Frys in the West has many; Sharper Image, Hammacher-Schlemmer, etc., have them, too. Have even seen the multi-band one at Bed, Bath and Beyond in an emergency-preparedness all-band, crank to power radio. I truly can't believe this at all !!! Do so many people still buy and listen to them ? I have not known any friend who has a SW Radio in North America. Vijay |
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R Vijay wrote:
Also I would like an answer to this question. Someone mentioned that while watching too much TV decreases IQ, Radio listening is actually shown to increase IQ. Is there any concrete evidence/sites/publishings in this regard ? If it were true, it might be because the more intelligent people *choose* to listen to radio instead of television. The radio doesn't make them smarter. They find radio more interesting because of their intelligence. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
On 22 Dec 2003 01:59:03 GMT
Fred Garvin wrote: AMEN TO THAT! Glad you agree. On TV, in one hour, there are sometimes even as much as 8 interrupts for ads. Almost half about cars !! On SW, in those days (late 1980's) it was a pleasure to listen to commercials as they were so rare. I have listened to some very rare Gems such as Radio Mangolia or Radio Ulan Bator, Radio Pyong Yang etc., etc., Clandestine broadcasts were not that many. However, as TV was still expensive and SW Radio within common reach, almost a huge majority of the Indian Population in cities had and listened to SW Radio. Vijay |
Frank White wrote: In article , says... On 19 Dec 2003 04:32:14 -0800 (Vijay) wrote: Hi everyone: Newbie to this group. I have listened to several short wave Radio Stations and used to be a DXer in India almost 15 years ago. (one of my favorites wsas Radio Netherlands, Jonathan Marks). Had collected I am seeing a lot of North Americans here and am very surprised. There are so many other activites to do these days here. Regular radio, TV, DVDs, Movies, other hobbies, collectibles etc., etc., Why shortwave ? What motivates a North American to listen to Shortwave and participate so much in detail here on the Usenet ? What is the average profile of the SW listener in North America ? Is this person someone who can't afford a PC, has a lot of free time, lives in a fairly remote region etc., ? I feel this way as jobs, chores and other activities fill ones life. I was deep into SW in India. Reasons being no Internet access, curious to know about the World, Great Clean Hobby, Once you had the Radio there was no other recurring investment etc., After comming to North America, getting poor signals with a bad receiver, I got discouraged and gave up as otehr activities took over my life. So curious. Vijay Curiosity is precisely the point. We - or at least, I - want to find out more about other people and cultures, what THEY feel is important, what their opinions are. You can also hear music, stories, and discussions that would never make it onto mainline media in the U.S. And - for those of us dubious about what our government and news media are telling us - shortwave provides a second source of information about what's going on in the world... FW Absolutely. And another thing - one that I love about SW, especially the Latin and South American countries, is the lack of "gloss". I remember live local radio in the fifties, and that's what a lot of SW reminds me of - all live, all the time, and all the slip-ups and off-the-cuff stuff that goes along with that. Tony ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:04:31 GMT
"David Eduardo" wrote: SW radios are at nearly every electronics and gadget store. Frys in the West has many; Sharper Image, Hammacher-Schlemmer, etc., have them, too. Have even seen the multi-band one at Bed, Bath and Beyond in an emergency-preparedness all-band, crank to power radio. I need to visit more Mom and Pop Electronic Stores to see if they carry SW Radios. This has me really curious. Most I went to didn't have them at all. I thought SW was dead in North America until I came here. Vijay |
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On 19 Dec 2003 04:32:14 -0800 (Vijay) wrote: Great Answer to my Question online at: http://www.speedline.ca/grundig/ Also, lots of SW Radio's on ebay under $20 and some even around $10 !!! However, they are not in Canada. Vijay I started in SW in late 2001 and I tell you that the bands are always packed with stations when I listen in the evening/night time. I like listening to Voice Of Russia and it's mailbag program. You find opinions and news here that you won't find off cable TV. The cable system channels are all controlled by the elite corporations so your not going to get the same openness you would get from certain SW stations. |
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:04:31 GMT
"David Eduardo" wrote: SW radios are at nearly every electronics and gadget store. Frys in the West has many; Sharper Image, Hammacher-Schlemmer, etc., have them, too. Have even seen the multi-band one at Bed, Bath and Beyond in an emergency-preparedness all-band, crank to power radio. You are very correct. I couldn't contain my curiosity. Went to a nearby Electronics Store. Then had a half a shelf full of SW Radios. I was not looking in the right places before. I asked the employee and he said that SW Radios are still popular but not as much as before. There were some nice Grundigs priced around $120 Canadian !! This is very good to know for the future. Vijay :)) |
There's also a tremendous potential for shortwave to enter the
"entertainment mainstream" with the introduction of "digital shortwave" using the DRM system. I have the facility to listen to the "pioneering" transmissions of DRM from BBC, Radio Canada, Vatican Radio, Radio Nederland, Radio Sweden, China Radio International and Deutsche Welle every afternoon and early evening from 2055 UTC till 0300 UTC. I also, (on good nights), receive the DRM transmissions from Radio Luxembourg here in Detroit, proving that DRM is feasible over trans-Atlantic conditions. It's amazing that after a more than 10 year abscence from shortwave, Radio Luxembourg is back on the bands. The fidelity, while not "audiophile" quality, is absolutely amazing, approaching the sound quality of a decent FM mono table radio. No static, no hetrodynes, no selective fading etc. Non-SWL'ers who I've had over actually enjoy listening to it! Since DRM uses the non-proprietary MPEG-4 digital audio compression system, it is conceivable that inexpensive chipsets for decoding it will be developed over the next couple of years and put into Sangean, Sony, and Grundig receivers. I don't mean to be a "shill" for DRM, but I am truly blown away by it and its potential for making shortwave broadcasting viable again. Fred E. N8UC -- Detroit, MI |
In article , R Vijay wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:04:31 GMT "David Eduardo" wrote: SW radios are at nearly every electronics and gadget store. Frys in the West has many; Sharper Image, Hammacher-Schlemmer, etc., have them, too. Have even seen the multi-band one at Bed, Bath and Beyond in an emergency-preparedness all-band, crank to power radio. I need to visit more Mom and Pop Electronic Stores to see if they carry SW Radios. This has me really curious. Most I went to didn't have them at all. I thought SW was dead in North America until I came here. Vijay ----------- A good start in Canada is the advice and references at the CIDX messenger and the ODXA Listening In (Google them) http://www.odxa.on.ca/li.html http://www.anarc.org/cidx/messenger.html |
"starman" wrote in message ... R Vijay wrote: If it were true, it might be because the more intelligent people *choose* to listen to radio instead of television. The radio doesn't make them smarter. They find radio more interesting because of their intelligence. I'm not sure we are more intelligent, but I figure we are more imaginative. We have to fill in the blanks during fadeouts, and the conspiratorialists have us connecting the dots. Why, the mere mention of floride can put me into a mental be-bop of ideas, images and conspiracies. The NWO gets me into a Charlie Parker swirl. Radio hosts expose what they claim are the real powers behind the scenes, and every day the Last Day Prophet of God tells the world as we know it will be ending very soon. And what do our couch potato brethren watch? A Victoria's Secret underwear show which leaves little to the imagination, perhaps? I think the intelligent choice is clear. Frank Dresser |
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We just had a Fry's open here (Renton, WA). They don't carry shortwave
radios. "R Vijay" wrote in message ... On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:04:31 GMT "David Eduardo" wrote: SW radios are at nearly every electronics and gadget store. Frys in the West has many; Sharper Image, Hammacher-Schlemmer, etc., have them, too. Have even seen the multi-band one at Bed, Bath and Beyond in an emergency-preparedness all-band, crank to power radio. I need to visit more Mom and Pop Electronic Stores to see if they carry SW Radios. This has me really curious. Most I went to didn't have them at all. I thought SW was dead in North America until I came here. Vijay |
I'm not sure we are more intelligent, but I figure we are more
imaginative. We have to fill in the blanks during fadeouts, and the conspiratorialists have us connecting the dots. "When television came roaring in after the war (World War II) they did a little school survey asking children which they preferred and why - television or radio. And there was this 7-year-old boy who said he preferred radio because the pictures were better." Alistair Cooke- BBC radio 'Letter from America' -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Shortwave will be more interesting as the high powers close, more lower
power dx. Mike |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:25:34 +0000 (UTC)
"Mike Terry" wrote: Shortwave will be more interesting as the high powers close, more lower power dx. Mike True, but one will need a lot better equipment. Besides, without standard, regular broadcasts, most average listeners will vanish. Vijay |
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R Vijay wrote: On 19 Dec 2003 04:32:14 -0800 (Vijay) wrote: Hi everyone: Newbie to this group. I decided to listen to the SW relay from CBC Early in the morning today. Heard DW and Radio Poland. It was great. For now I don't feel I will listen to SW consistently. Hence, I have decided to listen in on the Net as well as on the relay. Doesn't matter thru what device I get the programs, as long as I can listen to them. In the long term future, when I feel that I will listen to SW a lot, I might go ahead and get a SW Radio. In the meantime, I can also look for good deals in pawn shops. Well this is where we part company. It matters to me how I get the programming. I won't listen to Internet broadcasts as long as SW is around. I don't care for the SW relays either. I'm interested in hearing broadcasts with my radio from the country of origin directly with only the ionosphere in between. What I want to hear is programming from a foreign transmitter to my radio with no mitigating infrastructure (including DRM) in between. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
What I want to hear is programming from a foreign transmitter to my radio with no mitigating infrastructure (including DRM) in between. I don't know.... I listen to DRM broadcasts directly from Junglinster, Luxembourg (there's no "mitigating infrastructure") here in Detroit. DRM enticed RTL back onto shortwave when they had previously abandoned it. Same with BBC to North America, Deutsche Welle to North America, and Radio Sweden. Unfortunately, relay stations will now be a part of shortwave broadcasting due to financial constraints and the high cost of land for the antenna site. Just because a station uses a relay transmitter doesn't mean that the editorial comment will be affected. However, it's your choice as to whether you want to listen or not. You can certainly boycott Radio Sweden or China Radio and listen exclusively to the huckster Gene Scott since there's no "mitigating technology" such as relay stations or DRM involved. |
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Fredric J. Einstein wrote: What I want to hear is programming from a foreign transmitter to my radio with no mitigating infrastructure (including DRM) in between. I don't know.... I listen to DRM broadcasts directly from Junglinster, Luxembourg (there's no "mitigating infrastructure") here in Detroit. DRM enticed RTL back onto shortwave when they had previously abandoned it. Same with BBC to North America, Deutsche Welle to North America, and Radio Sweden. Unfortunately, relay stations will now be a part of shortwave broadcasting due to financial constraints and the high cost of land for the antenna site. Just because a station uses a relay transmitter doesn't mean that the editorial comment will be affected. However, it's your choice as to whether you want to listen or not. You can certainly boycott Radio Sweden or China Radio and listen exclusively to the huckster Gene Scott since there's no "mitigating technology" such as relay stations or DRM involved. DRM uses proprietary codex's, which afford the broadcaster control of who can listen. There is plenty to listen to on SW without relays. The Gene Scott comment was stupid. Strike 1 So lets see you purport to be intelligent enough to put together a setup that lets you decode DRM but you are totally ignorant of the social ramifications of this type of system. Strike 2 Then you make asinine comments about relays. Strike 3 I was replying to posters preferences in relation my own. You decided to chine in making fun of my choices. This does not endear you to me and relegates you to bafoon status. Do you have any idea what I do about obnoxious people I run into on Usenet? I ignore them. Plonk -- Telamon Ventura, California |
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:30:58 GMT
Telamon wrote: Well this is where we part company. It matters to me how I get the programming. Given my present personal situation, I feel that something is better than nothing. By using the Internet Broadcast and relay atleast I hear some SW Radio. However, I agree with you that the real SW Radio broadcast is a great pleasure and unique experience. Should my circumstances change, certainly I will opt for it. Vijay |
"starman" wrote in message ... "When television came roaring in after the war (World War II) they did a little school survey asking children which they preferred and why - television or radio. And there was this 7-year-old boy who said he preferred radio because the pictures were better." Alistair Cooke- BBC radio 'Letter from America' Stan Freiberg likes that story, too. Now I'm trying to picture Fred Allen passing himself off as a 7 year old. I don't want to imply imagination is a universal attribute of radio listeners. Consider the small subset who consider the entertaining radio talk show blowhards to be some kind of great modern philosophers. Sheesh. Better to learn physics from Warner Brothers cartoons. Frank Dresser |
On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:20:05 GMT, Telamon
wrote: Just because someone disagrees with you and presents intelligent and realistic reasoning, you lash out with uncontrollable rage and insults. Control your rage! UseNet is a forum where people are allowed freedom to strongly disagree. Listen to whatever you wish. DRM doesn't restrict any editorial opinoins and uses MPEG-4 compression scheme which is totally non-proprietary. DRM brought several long-lost broadcasters back to shortwave and will be the salvation of the medium. Your pseudo-intellectual arrogance doesn't change that fact. |
"Fredric J. Einstein" wrote in message s.com... [snip] Listen to whatever you wish. DRM doesn't restrict any editorial opinoins and uses MPEG-4 compression scheme which is totally non-proprietary. DRM brought several long-lost broadcasters back to shortwave and will be the salvation of the medium. Your pseudo-intellectual arrogance doesn't change that fact. Salvation from what? Frank Dresser |
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