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It's not overly amazing that particularly simple radios aren't overly
impressive on FM; my ICF-7601 is an example for such a design: After an antenna matching circuit, signals are fed directly to an IC that does mixing to 10.7 MHz, has stuff filtered by a single IF filter (280 kHz or whatnot) and then demodulates it with the help of a 2nd filter for discrimination. The sensitivity to overload depends entirely on the IC used, and with only one filter, selectivity isn't great. The ICF-SW7600G(R) already uses a better design with an FM pre-amp and two cascaded filters (though both are still rather wide at a spec'd 280 kHz). It can still overload quite a bit (that's the downside of the rather good sensitivity), but fitting narrower filters (I had mine changed to 110 and 150 kHz parts, respectively) improves selectivity significantly, allowing some DX. (Same goes for the ATS-909, which, modified with two 110 kHz filters, seems to be quite a popular choice among FM DXers here.) I can only recommend such a modification if you're regularly using the FM part. (The YB-400 apparently uses better filters out of the box.) Grundig's Satellits, BTW, used three cascaded FM IF filters. (The old Sony ICF-5900 - along with the older ICF-5500 - also did, but these were rather wide at - guess what - 280 kHz.) For top performance, nothing beats a bunch of cascaded filters and discrete components, of course. High-end FM tuners use(d) as much as four cascaded filters. Stephan -- Home: http://stephan.win31.de/ | Webm.: http://www.i24.com/ PC#6: i440BX, 2xCel300A, 512 MiB, 18 GB, ATI AGP 32 MiB, 110W This is a SCSI-inside, Legacy-plus, TCPA-free computer Reply to newsgroup only. | See home page for working e-mail address. |
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Stephan Grossklass schrieb:
(Same goes for the ATS-909, which, modified with two 110 kHz filters, seems to be quite a popular choice among FM DXers here.) And for real DX work, even narrower filters exist - 95 kHz, 80 kHz or even 60 kHz. (Apparently for RDS to work properly with 80 kHz filters, realignment of the receiver is necessary. Below 60 kHz, you obviously get distortion - but which real DXer cares about that? .) Still, for normal needs 110 kHz should be fine. A nice thing about that particular receiver seems to be that you can also receive in the OIRT band (used to be situated at 67 ... 73 MHz) used in Eastern Europe and Russia. Stephan -- Home: http://stephan.win31.de/ | Webm.: http://www.i24.com/ PC#6: i440BX, 2xCel300A, 512 MiB, 18 GB, ATI AGP 32 MiB, 110W This is a SCSI-inside, Legacy-plus, TCPA-free computer Reply to newsgroup only. | See home page for working e-mail address. |
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The Sangean ATS606A has very good FM but I've never tried to DX with
it. On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 21:24:36 -0000, "Richard" wrote: David wrote: Tivoli Model One has the best tough-signal performance of any 3 digit FM radio I've run across. I can get 3,000 Watt stations 40+ miles away perfectly. http://www.tivoliaudio.com/pM1CLA.htm On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:07:15 -0000, "Richard" wrote: I'm wanting a pockety sized PLL radio that will, on FM performance, actually equal, at least an, old Grundig radio for sensitivity, cross-modulation and image rejection! Great :But not PLL or small portable.:c) |
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