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Future of Shortwave?
What do yout hink is the future of shortwave and amateur radio in 10, 50,
100 years? Honestly, it's not as necessary as it used to be, but the ARRL is right, "When all else fails" shortwave and amateur radio will be there. I think 3-30mhz is of limited use to corporations and other powerful interests. It's just not very attractive to them, and the regulatory bodies around the world respect it. So I think it's here to stay for a good long time. But the question is, in 100 years, who's going to use it? Will it be a vacant frequency spread? I sure hope not. It's a great hobby. Yet, I can't help but feel that the glory days of shortwave listening has passed me by. Thoughts? ------------- Jeff Wilson KG6RIF Los Angeles, California |
What do yout hink is the future of shortwave and amateur radio in 10, 50,
100 years? Honestly, it's not as necessary as it used to be, but the ARRL is right, "When all else fails" shortwave and amateur radio will be there. I think 3-30mhz is of limited use to corporations and other powerful interests. It's just not very attractive to them, and the regulatory bodies around the world respect it. So I think it's here to stay for a good long time. But the question is, in 100 years, who's going to use it? Will it be a vacant frequency spread? I sure hope not. It's a great hobby. Yet, I can't help but feel that the glory days of shortwave listening has passed me by. Thoughts? ------------- Jeff Wilson KG6RIF Los Angeles, California It's my opinion that what shortwave lacks so desperately is good domestic programming. By this I don't mean the FM or AM style programming that saturates the commercial bands. WBCQ is the only secular shortwave station and it begins to approach the idea because it offers true variety of thought. Yes, there's alot of "juvenilia" boredom there and some people are just overboard in their political opinions but the freshness and openess makes the station unique. I think domestic shortwave will be successfull when those with strong viewpoints realize that shortwave is a cost effective way to get news and views out on a continent wide scale. It would allow those groups the ability to own the means of propagation without having to worry that the "parent corporation" was going to cut them off for fear of making waves politically or socially. Political correctness would take a back seat. And no it doesn't mean that the air would be full of programs by the Aryan nations, etc. though they certainly would have their share. There are all sorts of groups both left and right that would have a say. Some would be NGO's, some academic, etc. Even the internet is not a solution for this access problem since the means of propagation (i.e. the ISP) could always refuse access to the particular group if they stirred up too much controversy. Corporations don't like that. The problem is getting a sufficient number of receivers into peoples hands. In an ideal world there would be a $40 to $80 receiver capable of digital reception and of interfacing with a computer. This would allow the dissemination of text as well as audio. Anyway, something to think about. -Bill |
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What do yout hink is the future of shortwave and amateur radio in 10, 50, 100 years? Honestly, it's not as necessary as it used to be, but the ARRL is right, "When all else fails" shortwave and amateur radio will be there. I think 3-30mhz is of limited use to corporations and other powerful interests. It's just not very attractive to them, and the regulatory bodies around the world respect it. So I think it's here to stay for a good long time. But the question is, in 100 years, who's going to use it? Will it be a vacant frequency spread? I sure hope not. It's a great hobby. Yet, I can't help but feel that the glory days of shortwave listening has passed me by. Thoughts? ------------- Jeff Wilson KG6RIF Los Angeles, California It's my opinion that what shortwave lacks so desperately is good domestic programming. By this I don't mean the FM or AM style programming that saturates the commercial bands. WBCQ is the only secular shortwave station and it begins to approach the idea because it offers true variety of thought. Yes, there's alot of "juvenilia" boredom there and some people are just overboard in their political opinions but the freshness and openess makes the station unique. I think domestic shortwave will be successfull when those with strong viewpoints realize that shortwave is a cost effective way to get news and views out on a continent wide scale. It would allow those groups the ability to own the means of propagation without having to worry that the "parent corporation" was going to cut them off for fear of making waves politically or socially. Political correctness would take a back seat. The FCC ban on domestic broadcasting will have to be junked first. I think that if a station like WBCQ came along owned by somebody who had a lot of money to challenge the domestic broadcasting ban in court (resources Allan Weiner doesn't have) the Supreme Court would have to rule the ban unconstitutional. Right now American SW stations are just sort of ignoring the ban and the FCC has taken a don't ask don't tell attitude. Nobody's actually challenged the ban in court, mainly because it would take millions for legal fees. And no it doesn't mean that the air would be full of programs by the Aryan nations, etc. though they certainly would have their share. There are all sorts of groups both left and right that would have a say. Some would be NGO's, some academic, etc. Even the internet is not a solution for this access problem since the means of propagation (i.e. the ISP) could always refuse access to the particular group if they stirred up too much controversy. Corporations don't like that. Many nations censor the internet or severely limit access. Fidel Castro recently ruled that only people approved by the Cuban govt (ie him) can access the internet in Cuba. China has extensive limits on the internet too. We all know the famous quote that the network interprets censorship as damage and routes around it, well that's not entirely true. The problem is getting a sufficient number of receivers into peoples hands. In an ideal world there would be a $40 to $80 receiver capable of digital reception and of interfacing with a computer. This would allow the dissemination of text as well as audio. Anyway, something to think about. -Bill I think the main problem is that the components to make such a reciever are so expensive that it automatically prices the radio at $150 or above. When the price of the components goes down, radios such as this will become feasible. |
"Jeff Wilson" wrote in message om... What do yout hink is the future of shortwave and amateur radio in 10, 50, 100 years? Honestly, it's not as necessary as it used to be, but the ARRL is right, "When all else fails" shortwave and amateur radio will be there. I think 3-30mhz is of limited use to corporations and other powerful interests. It's just not very attractive to them, and the regulatory bodies around the world respect it. So I think it's here to stay for a good long time. That's right. There's a huge amount of worldwide bandwidth now. SW is a tiny unreliable sliver these days. But I think bureaucratic inertia will keep the frequency allocations pretty much as they are for the time being. But the question is, in 100 years, who's going to use it? Will it be a vacant frequency spread? I sure hope not. It's a great hobby. Yet, I can't help but feel that the glory days of shortwave listening has passed me by. Thoughts? ------------- Jeff Wilson KG6RIF Los Angeles, California Radio hobbyists will still use SW in 100 years! There are few commercial sailing ships anymore, but there might now be more people who actually enjoy getting on a sailboat than ever before. The same could be said about horses, or steam locomotives or hand made furniture. Frank Dresser |
The serious flaw in this is that shortwave stations, by FCC regulation, can
not target a domestic audience. They are required to use directional antennas beamed outside the country and advertising that is only in the interest of a domestic entity is prohibited. "Sidchase3" wrote in message news:20040121100637.17062.00000521@mb- It's my opinion that what shortwave lacks so desperately is good domestic programming. By this I don't mean the FM or AM style programming that saturates the commercial bands. WBCQ is the only secular shortwave station and it begins to approach the idea because it offers true variety of thought. Yes, there's alot of "juvenilia" boredom there and some people are just overboard in their political opinions but the freshness and openess makes the station unique. I think domestic shortwave will be successfull when those with strong viewpoints realize that shortwave is a cost effective way to get news and views out on a continent wide scale. It would allow those groups the ability to own the means of propagation without having to worry that the "parent corporation" was going to cut them off for fear of making waves politically or socially. Political correctness would take a back seat. And no it doesn't mean that the air would be full of programs by the Aryan nations, etc. though they certainly would have their share. There are all sorts of groups both left and right that would have a say. Some would be NGO's, some academic, etc. Even the internet is not a solution for this access problem since the means of propagation (i.e. the ISP) could always refuse access to the particular group if they stirred up too much controversy. Corporations don't like that. The problem is getting a sufficient number of receivers into peoples hands. In an ideal world there would be a $40 to $80 receiver capable of digital reception and of interfacing with a computer. This would allow the dissemination of text as well as audio. Anyway, something to think about. -Bill |
Well, I see you're and older guy. Thought you must be. It takes time to
drive your head that far up your ass. "Leonard Martin" wrote in message t... Since I'll be gone in at most 30 years (probably less), it's a moot point for me. However, I will hazard a prediction that in my remaining lifetime HF will come to be used by no-one but a few extremely old hams and some religico stations that exist either as tax write-offs for rich people or as deceptions concerning "Spreading the Good News" intended to milk donations from credulous rednecks (who will of course have no idea what shortwave is, just like everyone else.) Darn! There goes the value of my radio collection! Leonard In article , (Sidchase3) wrote: What do yout hink is the future of shortwave and amateur radio in 10, 50, 100 years? Honestly, it's not as necessary as it used to be, but the ARRL is right, "When all else fails" shortwave and amateur radio will be there. I think 3-30mhz is of limited use to corporations and other powerful interests. It's just not very attractive to them, and the regulatory bodies around the world respect it. So I think it's here to stay for a good long time. But the question is, in 100 years, who's going to use it? Will it be a vacant frequency spread? I sure hope not. It's a great hobby. Yet, I can't help but feel that the glory days of shortwave listening has passed me by. Thoughts? ------------- Jeff Wilson KG6RIF Los Angeles, California It's my opinion that what shortwave lacks so desperately is good domestic programming. By this I don't mean the FM or AM style programming that saturates the commercial bands. WBCQ is the only secular shortwave station and it begins to approach the idea because it offers true variety of thought. Yes, there's alot of "juvenilia" boredom there and some people are just overboard in their political opinions but the freshness and openess makes the station unique. I think domestic shortwave will be successfull when those with strong viewpoints realize that shortwave is a cost effective way to get news and views out on a continent wide scale. It would allow those groups the ability to own the means of propagation without having to worry that the "parent corporation" was going to cut them off for fear of making waves politically or socially. Political correctness would take a back seat. And no it doesn't mean that the air would be full of programs by the Aryan nations, etc. though they certainly would have their share. There are all sorts of groups both left and right that would have a say. Some would be NGO's, some academic, etc. Even the internet is not a solution for this access problem since the means of propagation (i.e. the ISP) could always refuse access to the particular group if they stirred up too much controversy. Corporations don't like that. The problem is getting a sufficient number of receivers into peoples hands. In an ideal world there would be a $40 to $80 receiver capable of digital reception and of interfacing with a computer. This would allow the dissemination of text as well as audio. Anyway, something to think about. -Bill -- "Everything that rises must converge" --Flannery O'Connor |
Was that nice CW? If it wasn't for us older guys you younger guys would
not be here. Your daddy should have been castrated before producing a mouth like that. CW wrote: Well, I see you're and older guy. Thought you must be. It takes time to drive your head that far up your ass. "Leonard Martin" wrote in message t... Since I'll be gone in at most 30 years (probably less), it's a moot point for me. However, I will hazard a prediction that in my remaining lifetime HF will come to be used by no-one but a few extremely old hams and some religico stations that exist either as tax write-offs for rich people or as deceptions concerning "Spreading the Good News" intended to milk donations from credulous rednecks (who will of course have no idea what shortwave is, just like everyone else.) Darn! There goes the value of my radio collection! Leonard In article , (Sidchase3) wrote: What do yout hink is the future of shortwave and amateur radio in 10, 50, 100 years? Honestly, it's not as necessary as it used to be, but the ARRL is right, "When all else fails" shortwave and amateur radio will be there. I think 3-30mhz is of limited use to corporations and other powerful interests. It's just not very attractive to them, and the regulatory bodies around the world respect it. So I think it's here to stay for a good long time. But the question is, in 100 years, who's going to use it? Will it be a vacant frequency spread? I sure hope not. It's a great hobby. Yet, I can't help but feel that the glory days of shortwave listening has passed me by. Thoughts? ------------- Jeff Wilson KG6RIF Los Angeles, California It's my opinion that what shortwave lacks so desperately is good domestic programming. By this I don't mean the FM or AM style programming that saturates the commercial bands. WBCQ is the only secular shortwave station and it begins to approach the idea because it offers true variety of thought. Yes, there's alot of "juvenilia" boredom there and some people are just overboard in their political opinions but the freshness and openess makes the station unique. I think domestic shortwave will be successfull when those with strong viewpoints realize that shortwave is a cost effective way to get news and views out on a continent wide scale. It would allow those groups the ability to own the means of propagation without having to worry that the "parent corporation" was going to cut them off for fear of making waves politically or socially. Political correctness would take a back seat. And no it doesn't mean that the air would be full of programs by the Aryan nations, etc. though they certainly would have their share. There are all sorts of groups both left and right that would have a say. Some would be NGO's, some academic, etc. Even the internet is not a solution for this access problem since the means of propagation (i.e. the ISP) could always refuse access to the particular group if they stirred up too much controversy. Corporations don't like that. The problem is getting a sufficient number of receivers into peoples hands. In an ideal world there would be a $40 to $80 receiver capable of digital reception and of interfacing with a computer. This would allow the dissemination of text as well as audio. Anyway, something to think about. -Bill -- "Everything that rises must converge" --Flannery O'Connor |
Look at this fool's previous postings. You'll see my point.
"Walt" "Walter wrote in message ... Was that nice CW? If it wasn't for us older guys you younger guys would not be here. Your daddy should have been castrated before producing a mouth like that. CW wrote: Well, I see you're and older guy. Thought you must be. It takes time to drive your head that far up your ass. "Leonard Martin" wrote in message t... Since I'll be gone in at most 30 years (probably less), it's a moot point for me. However, I will hazard a prediction that in my remaining lifetime HF will come to be used by no-one but a few extremely old hams and some religico stations that exist either as tax write-offs for rich people or as deceptions concerning "Spreading the Good News" intended to milk donations from credulous rednecks (who will of course have no idea what shortwave is, just like everyone else.) Darn! There goes the value of my radio collection! Leonard In article , (Sidchase3) wrote: What do yout hink is the future of shortwave and amateur radio in 10, 50, 100 years? Honestly, it's not as necessary as it used to be, but the ARRL is right, "When all else fails" shortwave and amateur radio will be there. I think 3-30mhz is of limited use to corporations and other powerful interests. It's just not very attractive to them, and the regulatory bodies around the world respect it. So I think it's here to stay for a good long time. But the question is, in 100 years, who's going to use it? Will it be a vacant frequency spread? I sure hope not. It's a great hobby. Yet, I can't help but feel that the glory days of shortwave listening has passed me by. Thoughts? ------------- Jeff Wilson KG6RIF Los Angeles, California It's my opinion that what shortwave lacks so desperately is good domestic programming. By this I don't mean the FM or AM style programming that saturates the commercial bands. WBCQ is the only secular shortwave station and it begins to approach the idea because it offers true variety of thought. Yes, there's alot of "juvenilia" boredom there and some people are just overboard in their political opinions but the freshness and openess makes the station unique. I think domestic shortwave will be successfull when those with strong viewpoints realize that shortwave is a cost effective way to get news and views out on a continent wide scale. It would allow those groups the ability to own the means of propagation without having to worry that the "parent corporation" was going to cut them off for fear of making waves politically or socially. Political correctness would take a back seat. And no it doesn't mean that the air would be full of programs by the Aryan nations, etc. though they certainly would have their share. There are all sorts of groups both left and right that would have a say. Some would be NGO's, some academic, etc. Even the internet is not a solution for this access problem since the means of propagation (i.e. the ISP) could always refuse access to the particular group if they stirred up too much controversy. Corporations don't like that. The problem is getting a sufficient number of receivers into peoples hands. In an ideal world there would be a $40 to $80 receiver capable of digital reception and of interfacing with a computer. This would allow the dissemination of text as well as audio. Anyway, something to think about. -Bill -- "Everything that rises must converge" --Flannery O'Connor |
The reason for the ban on domestic broadcasting in the United States
is that the feds tend to be afraid of the attributes of shortwave and the ability to transmit across an entire nation. They want Clear Channel to own all the domestic broadcasters so they can broadcast what they "approve of" Even though WBCQ isn't transmitting "domestically," it's still mostly listened to by people in the US. |
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