Mr C. Gothic,

What you suggest is an interesting idea. It reminded me of a Carl Sagan
movie, can't remember the title. The movie was brilliant, but a really neat
idea. There were all these people working at some remote (Nevada desert?)
location, listening to the universe with their radio antennas (you know,
those huge parabolic dish type thingys).

They received a TV signal which was a broadcast of one of Adolf Hitler's (he
was an Austrian guy who became a German politician) speeches from 50 years
previous.

The idea was that the TV broadcast was of sufficient frequency as to have
penetrated the ionosphere (as current day sat band does) and had propagate
across space until it finally hit something, maybe a planet, and reflected
all the way back to Earth. (Of course, the signal may have reflected off
several other bits of space flotsam before hitting the right one to bounce
it back to Earth).

I suppose it's like looking in the sky at night at all the stars. Some of
them you see don't exist any more, but their light energy is finally
reaching Earth. Kind of a time machine really. Used to contemplate this sort
of stuff lots when I was 15 or thereabouts. Think about it until it scares
you.

Yes, a neat idea and interesting thread.

Mark.

"Contact"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118884/

Great movie.

-- Stinger

"CrewL" wrote in message
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Mr C. Gothic,

What you suggest is an interesting idea. It reminded me of a Carl Sagan
movie, can't remember the title. The movie was brilliant, but a really
neat
idea. There were all these people working at some remote (Nevada desert?)
location, listening to the universe with their radio antennas (you know,
those huge parabolic dish type thingys).

They received a TV signal which was a broadcast of one of Adolf Hitler's
(he
was an Austrian guy who became a German politician) speeches from 50 years
previous.

The idea was that the TV broadcast was of sufficient frequency as to have
penetrated the ionosphere (as current day sat band does) and had propagate
across space until it finally hit something, maybe a planet, and reflected
all the way back to Earth. (Of course, the signal may have reflected off
several other bits of space flotsam before hitting the right one to bounce
it back to Earth).

I suppose it's like looking in the sky at night at all the stars. Some of
them you see don't exist any more, but their light energy is finally
reaching Earth. Kind of a time machine really. Used to contemplate this
sort
of stuff lots when I was 15 or thereabouts. Think about it until it scares
you.

Yes, a neat idea and interesting thread.

Mark.

Let's face it.
The sun is seven minutes away at the speed of light..
- So it might wink out
& we would be minding our own business for ~ 6 minutes until we got a clue..

Dan

In article , "CrewL"
writes:


I suppose it's like looking in the sky at night at all the stars. Some of
them you see don't exist any more, but their light energy is finally
reaching Earth. Kind of a time machine really. Used to contemplate this sort
of stuff lots when I was 15 or thereabouts. Think about it until it scares
you.

Yes, a neat idea and interesting thread.

Mark.

Stinger wrote:

"Contact"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118884/

Great movie.

-- Stinger


It was a good movie, a better overall screen treatment of the
novel. The novel had a terrific first third and last third, but bogged
down terribly in the middle. The movie avoided that.

Tony

"CrewL" wrote in message
...
Mr C. Gothic,

What you suggest is an interesting idea. It reminded me of a Carl Sagan
movie, can't remember the title. The movie was brilliant, but a really
neat
idea. There were all these people working at some remote (Nevada desert?)
location, listening to the universe with their radio antennas (you know,
those huge parabolic dish type thingys).

They received a TV signal which was a broadcast of one of Adolf Hitler's
(he
was an Austrian guy who became a German politician) speeches from 50 years
previous.

The idea was that the TV broadcast was of sufficient frequency as to have
penetrated the ionosphere (as current day sat band does) and had propagate
across space until it finally hit something, maybe a planet, and reflected
all the way back to Earth. (Of course, the signal may have reflected off
several other bits of space flotsam before hitting the right one to bounce
it back to Earth).

I suppose it's like looking in the sky at night at all the stars. Some of
them you see don't exist any more, but their light energy is finally
reaching Earth. Kind of a time machine really. Used to contemplate this
sort
of stuff lots when I was 15 or thereabouts. Think about it until it scares
you.

Yes, a neat idea and interesting thread.

Mark.




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What this person is referring to is an incident in Britain in 1953
(IIRC). People in a certain area recieved an ID slide of TV station KLEE
in Houston (I think) one night, with a long enough duration that a few
photos of the ID were taken. When somebody tried to contact KLEE, they
found out that the station went off the air in 1950. This was during the
flying saucer mania, and people were talking about how little green men
from an unknown planet "bounced" the signal off their UFO located three
light years from Earth. What nobody noticed was that the UK and the US
had radically different standards for electronic TV (405 lines vs 525
lines, for starters) so if LGM were responsible the signal would not
have been recievable in Britain. I read on a website a few years ago
that the hoaxer who broadcast the KLEE ID had eventually been found, but
they didn't have any further details.

Also, AM signals don't escape into space like FM and TV signals do, they
just bounce around the ionosphere until they die out completely. We know
this as "skywave".

I remember seeing an episode of Amazing Stories (TV show) back in the
80s where these teenage experimenters picked up TV signals from a planet
20 light years away. The aliens had recieved our TV signals during their
nascent radio era, and faithfully recreated the shows. Thus "I Love
Lucy" with little conehead like aliens whose language sounded like "rolf
rolf rolf".

When KFRC (610 khz) in San Francisco changed from rock music to big band
in 1984, they would replay classic radio shows, complete with
commercials and announced dates. Word is that the cops would get
panicked phone calls everytime they did this...


Diverd4777 wrote:

If your writing a peice of fiction, you have to have rules for what goes on,
and then follow them
Even if it's static on the radio before the Monster shows up where the kids all
park,

- & JUST before it gets interesting -

you then have to have Static on the radio when the poor lone Cop, driving out
to chase a racoon off someones porch gets attaked .

- So if your picking up signals from the 1940s there has to be some corollary
local behavior to go along with this.
I think in " Signals", it was northern lights...
- And you have to give Poor Doomed " Lone Cop" a real personality & some
thoughts while he's driving out there in the dark, making his last call..

Dan
'


In article , (Frank White)
writes:


According to our current knowledge of physics and the universe,
this should not be possible. A radio signal is an energy burst;
it cannot just hang around for 50-60 years. Even if it
traveled out into space, hit something, and bounced back,
the signal would be so degraded when it reached your radio
it would be incoherent. And time travel, except in the
neighborhood of black holes, doesn't exist. If I *did* pick up
such a signal, I would assume I was listening to a re-
enactment or historical tape, not an original transmission
that had somehow bypassed the normal rules of existance.

FW

"tommyknocker" wrote in message
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snippage

Also, AM signals don't escape into space like FM and TV signals do, they
just bounce around the ionosphere until they die out completely. We know
this as "skywave".

AM BCB (MW) signals do escape into space.. some at night, but most during
the day when the ionosphere is not reflecting most of them back to Earth.
Even at nights some signals strike the ionosphere at acute enough angles
that they will make it through.


I remember seeing an episode of Amazing Stories (TV show) back in the
80s where these teenage experimenters picked up TV signals from a planet
20 light years away. The aliens had recieved our TV signals during their
nascent radio era, and faithfully recreated the shows. Thus "I Love
Lucy" with little conehead like aliens whose language sounded like "rolf
rolf rolf".


I remember that AS episode too.. I miss that show. I have something like
three episodes somewhere around here on an old ßeta tape, will have to dig
them out sometime..

Tony Meloche wrote:

Stinger wrote:

"Contact"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118884/

Great movie.

-- Stinger

It was a good movie, a better overall screen treatment of the
novel. The novel had a terrific first third and last third, but bogged
down terribly in the middle. The movie avoided that.

Tony

The book had a better ending but it wasn't well suited for a movie
ending so they didn't use it.


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You've been watching way to much Twilight Zone.


"Current_gothic" wrote in message
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Just think what if this actually happened
maybe it has to a few of you, or maybe it hasen't
some may see this as a troll or a joke. but actually it isin't
i was thinking about this today and was wondering what the rest of u
on here might say..
so here it goes.

Have you ever thought to your self. or known some one who maybe has,
heard strange singnals. now i dont mean number stations, or odd BCB
stations. i mean like have u ever sat spinning the dials on ur radio
and then all of the sudden heard something odd that wasen't from this
ear. ur probably thinking ok get to what ur talking about

well what i mean is maybe a airplane sent off a message over shortwave
radio lets say back in 1940 and maybe just now from 1990 on to 2004
maybe u heard the message over ur radio , and found out it was from a
plane or something else in a back farther date over shortwave.

now i mean its a weird phenomenom (bad spelling) but can it happen .
or maybe it has happened to you,,

would like to hear your input

thanks

The Wizard (channels 19,11,27,35..on the CB)
VE3010SWL-Professional shortwave listener
NAMA1380-Professional scanner operator

Keep your heads up high but your antennas up higher