On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:28:04 -0500, "Mark S. Holden"
wrote:

ggg wrote:

I don't have a beef with Brenda. I simply asked her to look at her own
morals before she questions George Bush's. This liberal group decided
that they would take up for her. That is their perrogative. They can
take up for their own kind. And No, I have never argued about her
until now.

Tracy

But rather than pointing to flaws in her reasoning, you've been attacking her personally.

Equating pedophiles with transsexuals or people who are attracted to members of their own sex is ludicrous. Pedophiles prey on innocent kids.

Perhaps you're enjoying yourself, but by ignoring the substance of whatever argument you have with her and making personal attacks, you're giving people the impression you're an immature ass.

Even Al Franken usually makes some attempt to include reasoning along with his personal attacks.\

Wrong! It was started after my comment about her questioning her own
morals. I'm not attacking her just stating truths. Don't you think
that she though people would disagree with what she did to herself?
Besides, even if you don't believe in God what she did goes strictly
against nature. God did not create what she is, Man did.

Tracy

Tracy wrote:

Besides, even if you don't believe in God what she did goes strictly
against nature. God did not create what she is, Man did.

Now we're getting to the heart of the misconception that those like
yourself have about people like Brenda. Research has shown that the male
and female brains are different. This is mainly caused by the effect of
certain sex hormones on the brain before birth. A person can be born
with the body of one sex but have the identity of the opposite sex. This
creates a gender conflict. If you believe in a God, it means He makes
some people that way. Otherwise it was a random act of nature.
It won't be long before we will be able to identify the genes that cause
all kinds of sexual problems, including gender conflict. Then you will
realize it could happen to anyone, even you. However for someone like
yourself who apparently learned a rigid set of rules about human
sexuality, this new knowledge may be more than you can accept.


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No Flame Wars please :-).


Here's my 2 cents worth.


Here's a few other points to consider.


1. Chemical mimmicing Female Hormonal substances are known to cause
gender bender characteristics. I.E A lot of research has been done on
this over environmental issues. Sexchange fish, Hermaphrodite Polar
bears and a new study has found Male Whales, Dolphin, Seals & Otters
exibiting Female characteristics and partial organs.

2. There's also a debate on the effects of Soyamilk on male infants,
causing Feminizing aspects gender identity/hormonal changes on male
babies brains, etc . (Soyamilk was a big thing as a milk alternative
back in the 60s and early 70s and the Phyto-estrogen Isoflavine
contents are believed to in some cases be 5 times more powerful than
natural female hormones! So image what effects it could have on
certain individuals. Also it's been found to sexually early mature
girls!)

3. As a Christian standpoint and Biblical aspects. Yes There are
passages in the Bible condemming Homosexuality, but nothing condemming
someone cutting off their dick and having a sexchange. From memory
there's a passage in the Book of Matthew which says more or less if
your right eye offends your pluck it out! Meaning it's better to live
happy in life than be unhappy or do acts which will condemn you to
hell! (that's the way I interpret it).

4. We mustn't also forget some of the most anti-gay and people of
socalled high moral standards/leaders (including Church ministers)
have actually lead lives opposite to what they were openly
espousing!!) So it's like the pot calling the kettle black. And
IMHO those ones are the worst!



Anyway this is a fricken SW Forum. Not a place for constantly
launching personal atacks against someone or something!! Case
Closed!!




Good DX,


Best Regards, Marian P Rogers.

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wavecatcher wrote in message ...
Tracy wrote:

Besides, even if you don't believe in God what she did goes strictly
against nature. God did not create what she is, Man did.

Now we're getting to the heart of the misconception that those like
yourself have about people like Brenda. Research has shown that the male
and female brains are different. This is mainly caused by the effect of
certain sex hormones on the brain before birth. A person can be born
with the body of one sex but have the identity of the opposite sex. This
creates a gender conflict. If you believe in a God, it means He makes
some people that way. Otherwise it was a random act of nature.
It won't be long before we will be able to identify the genes that cause
all kinds of sexual problems, including gender conflict. Then you will
realize it could happen to anyone, even you. However for someone like
yourself who apparently learned a rigid set of rules about human
sexuality, this new knowledge may be more than you can accept.


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