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BBC in "Meltdown"
Chairman of the Board of Governors of the BBC- Gavyn Davies- just resigned.
January 28, 2004 BBC Management "Almost in Meltdown" Lord Hutton's report into the death of Dr. David Kelly, released this afternoon, has almost completely vindicated Tony Blair and the government, at the same time severely criticising the BBC's reporting and governance. This is a huge story. Most observers were expecting blame to be apportioned evenly, and the one-sided castigation of the Corporation has come as a big surprise. The Guardian reports that: "BBC chairman Gavyn Davies is said to be considering his position after Lord Hutton criticised the BBC in his long awaited report into the death of weapons expert David Kelly. The corporation has flatly denied rumours sweeping Westminster that he has resigned, but one senior insider said the mood at the BBC was 'very grim'." Expect resignations and rolling heads. Here are some quotes, gathered this afternoon from the radio and the web. More to follow. "In the end what it comes down to is a judgement by Lord Hutton - who he believes, whose motives he trusts most and in that, again and again, he comes down on the side of politicians and officials, who by and large he believes and whose story, whose narrative he accepts and he comes down against Andrew Gilligan, and journalism, I have to say generally, and against the BBC." BBC Political editor Andrew Marr The BBC has been "drenched in disgrace and incompetence." Former Defence Minister Lord Gilbert - on The World at One, BBC Radio4 "A grim day for the BBC." BBC Radio 4 2pm News "Completely unprecedented in the criticism of the BBC Governors' performance of their duty." BBC correspondent Richard Ayers - on BBC Five Live "The [BBC] Management is almost in meltdown at the moment" Mark Mardell, BBC Chief Political Correspondent - on Radio 4 "Tony Blair couldn't have hoped for anything better." Mark Mardell "There is no doubt the government has been cleared. Everyone from the prime minister down virtually is cleared of any misbehaviour." Correspondent Jane Peel Craig, WPE1HNS Meredith, NH USA Drake R8B/Alpha Delta DX Sloper Sony SW-77 Sony ICF-2010 2 x Phillips/Magnavox D2935 Uniden CR-2021 Knight Kit Star Roamer (permanently tuned to Turkey on 9460) GE Superadio II/Select-A-Tenna Delphi Ski-Fi XM/3" Antennae Tuning since 1963 |
KP,
Hopefully the changes in the Top BBC Leadership will result in a return to 'balanced' and 'honest' Reporting by the BBC News Services. Plus produce a change in the mind-set at the BBC so that the BBC will not view and portray its own government as the Enemy. ssi ~ RHF .. .. = = = "King Pineapple" = = = wrote in message nk.net... Chairman of the Board of Governors of the BBC- Gavyn Davies- just resigned. January 28, 2004 BBC Management "Almost in Meltdown" Lord Hutton's report into the death of Dr. David Kelly, released this afternoon, has almost completely vindicated Tony Blair and the government, at the same time severely criticising the BBC's reporting and governance. This is a huge story. Most observers were expecting blame to be apportioned evenly, and the one-sided castigation of the Corporation has come as a big surprise. The Guardian reports that: "BBC chairman Gavyn Davies is said to be considering his position after Lord Hutton criticised the BBC in his long awaited report into the death of weapons expert David Kelly. The corporation has flatly denied rumours sweeping Westminster that he has resigned, but one senior insider said the mood at the BBC was 'very grim'." Expect resignations and rolling heads. Here are some quotes, gathered this afternoon from the radio and the web. More to follow. "In the end what it comes down to is a judgement by Lord Hutton - who he believes, whose motives he trusts most and in that, again and again, he comes down on the side of politicians and officials, who by and large he believes and whose story, whose narrative he accepts and he comes down against Andrew Gilligan, and journalism, I have to say generally, and against the BBC." BBC Political editor Andrew Marr The BBC has been "drenched in disgrace and incompetence." Former Defence Minister Lord Gilbert - on The World at One, BBC Radio4 "A grim day for the BBC." BBC Radio 4 2pm News "Completely unprecedented in the criticism of the BBC Governors' performance of their duty." BBC correspondent Richard Ayers - on BBC Five Live "The [BBC] Management is almost in meltdown at the moment" Mark Mardell, BBC Chief Political Correspondent - on Radio 4 "Tony Blair couldn't have hoped for anything better." Mark Mardell "There is no doubt the government has been cleared. Everyone from the prime minister down virtually is cleared of any misbehaviour." Correspondent Jane Peel Craig, WPE1HNS Meredith, NH USA Drake R8B/Alpha Delta DX Sloper Sony SW-77 Sony ICF-2010 2 x Phillips/Magnavox D2935 Uniden CR-2021 Knight Kit Star Roamer (permanently tuned to Turkey on 9460) GE Superadio II/Select-A-Tenna Delphi Ski-Fi XM/3" Antennae Tuning since 1963 |
"King Pineapple" wrote in message k.net... Chairman of the Board of Governors of the BBC- Gavyn Davies- just resigned. January 28, 2004 BBC Management "Almost in Meltdown" What you are not aware of, is that unlike in the United States, most media in the United Kingdom is 100% State Owned. The BBC is an agency of the British Government. As such anyone who does not adhere with the party line, or steps on too many toes in Parliament is politely "asked" to resign. It would not suprise me at all if Gavyn Davies was summoned to a MP's office (Member of Parliament) and his 'Letter of Resignation' was already written and waiting for his signature on the desk. This type of termination (sacking) is common practice in the UK and fully legal under British Law. |
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Bridge-Gums writes "King Pineapple" wrote in message nk.net... Chairman of the Board of Governors of the BBC- Gavyn Davies- just resigned. January 28, 2004 BBC Management "Almost in Meltdown" What you are not aware of, is that unlike in the United States, most media in the United Kingdom is 100% State Owned. The BBC is an agency of the British Government. As such anyone who does not adhere with the party line, or steps on too many toes in Parliament is politely "asked" to resign. Hehe! Where do you get this ******** from? It would not suprise me at all if Gavyn Davies was summoned to a MP's office (Member of Parliament) and his 'Letter of Resignation' was already written and waiting for his signature on the desk. This type of termination (sacking) is common practice in the UK and fully legal under British Law. 'A' MP's office? Illiterate as well as ill-informed! Mike -- M.J.Powell |
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Even if they make up their own news, despite facts to the contrary? That's
not news, it's propaganda. No thanks. -- Stinger "Iskandar" wrote in message . .. SNIP I know I'd rather have a questioning media that made mistakes than a Soviet style one that towed the government line. Think about it. Regards, Alan Right ON! |
"Bob" wrote | i guess alan, being kinda stupid, doesn't realize that every | intelligence service in the world, including the french, believed | hussein had WMD's Let's not forget the UN.... 73, Steve Lawrence Burnsville, MN --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.561 / Virus Database: 353 - Release Date: 1/13/04 |
"Stephen M.H. Lawrence" wrote: "Bob" wrote | i guess alan, being kinda stupid, doesn't realize that every | intelligence service in the world, including the french, believed | hussein had WMD's Let's not forget the UN.... The UN has no intelligence service, let alone any intelligence. 73, Steve Lawrence Burnsville, MN --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.561 / Virus Database: 353 - Release Date: 1/13/04 |
"Stephen M.H. Lawrence" , while facing east,
summoned the courage to declaim: "Bob" wrote | i guess alan, being kinda stupid, doesn't realize that every | intelligence service in the world, including the french, believed | hussein had WMD's Let's not forget the UN.... Let's DO forget the UN, the sooner the better. -- "Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." --Sam Brown |
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writes: "Stephen M.H. Lawrence" wrote: "Bob" wrote | i guess alan, being kinda stupid, doesn't realize that every | intelligence service in the world, including the french, believed | hussein had WMD's Let's not forget the UN.... The UN has no intelligence service, let alone any intelligence. - However, the U.S. would use satellite data to direct the U.N inspectors; and there were enough rumors, it look slike all false, to gove credance to the idea of a threat of WMD.. |
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On 30 Jan 2004 06:50:42 GMT, donutbandit wrote:
(Bob) wrote in : ah. 'everybody' knows...except that it's a lie. oh. lies don't stop the far left. Where were the WMD? Are you telling me that both the US and Britain, with the cutting edge surveillance technology they possess, didn't know there were no WMD? yes, that's exactly what i'm saying. if you have proof othewise, post it. Get your head out of your ass and stop trying to politicize everything. Anybody who isn't blinded by political zealotry knows that Bush and Blair lied. ah, 'everybody knew'. funny the french didn't. the germans didn't. the UN didn't. but 'everybody' knew. you're such a member of the sheep herd you baaa everytime someone mentions bush. learn to think for yourself. cliches about 'everyone' aren't arguments. --------------------------- to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com" and enter 'wf3h' in the field |
In message , RHF
writes AJG, "The Beeb is a first class institution" AJG - Maybe this is at the Heart of the BBC's Problem. The BBC 'considers' Its-Self an ENTITY Un-To-Itself. The BBC No Longer Serves the British People or the British Government. [ Has the BBC become a Class & Culture Isolated from the Rest of the UK. ] The BBC *never* served the British Government. Lord Reith arranged that in the 1920's. Fortunately. Mike -- M.J.Powell |
MJP,
"The BBC *never* served the British Government. Lord Reith arranged that in the 1920's. Fortunately." To Re-State My Point: "The BBC No Longer Serves the British People or the British Government." The current BBC Management and Staff are an Elitist Class who 'think' that they "Exist" to Serve a Higher Truth and 'The World'. The BBC is Culturally Isolated from the Rest of the common people of the UK. They suffer for the misguided Idea that they are "The PRESS" the Exhaled and Anointed Few: The Sayers of Truth and Understanding. * 'The PRESS' has No More Rights then any other Citizen of their Country of Nationality. * 'The PRESS' does Not Wear a UN Blue Hat. * 'The PRESS does Not Have Diplomatic Status or Immunity. * Being a Member of 'The PRESS' does not Make You Bullet Proof in a War Zone or Time of Civil Disorder. * 'The PRESS' Is Not A Class Above All Others: They are simply common ordinary citizens doing a JOB [.] [ What Makes a Nation Great is the Life It Affords every common ordinary CITIZEN: Not The Prestige That Is Afforded 'The PRESS'. ] The BBC was 'created' to Serve the 'interests' of People of the UK and as such in doing so indirectly serves the government of the UK. The BBC does not 'exist' in a vacuum as an Entity Un-to-Its-Self. The BBC is FAILING at Being "The BBC" and needs to Return to 'First Principles' of providing Accurate, Honest, Balanced and Fair News and Information to the British People that is NOT Obviously Biased and Hostile to the British Government and the common interests of the British People. ssi... ~ RHF = = = So Say I... My Opinions Stated As Facts. .. .. = = = "M. J. Powell" = = = wrote in message ... In message , RHF writes AJG, "The Beeb is a first class institution" AJG - Maybe this is at the Heart of the BBC's Problem. The BBC 'considers' Its-Self an ENTITY Un-To-Itself. The BBC No Longer Serves the British People or the British Government. [ Has the BBC become a Class & Culture Isolated from the Rest of the UK. ] The BBC *never* served the British Government. Lord Reith arranged that in the 1920's. Fortunately. Mike .. |
In message , RHF
writes MJP, "The BBC *never* served the British Government. Lord Reith arranged that in the 1920's. Fortunately." To Re-State My Point: "The BBC No Longer Serves the British People or the British Government." Do you retract your Point about the BBC serving the British Government? The current BBC Management and Staff are an Elitist Class who 'think' that they "Exist" to Serve a Higher Truth and 'The World'. The BBC is Culturally Isolated from the Rest of the common people of the UK. 1. If you mean the beer and chips brigade then I hope so. 2. Judging by the dumbed-down crap on all channels you are wrong. They suffer for the misguided Idea that they are "The PRESS" the Exhaled and Anointed Few: The Sayers of Truth and Understanding. * 'The PRESS' has No More Rights then any other Citizen of their Country of Nationality. They do, actually. * 'The PRESS' does Not Wear a UN Blue Hat. * 'The PRESS does Not Have Diplomatic Status or Immunity. * Being a Member of 'The PRESS' does not Make You Bullet Proof in a War Zone or Time of Civil Disorder. * 'The PRESS' Is Not A Class Above All Others: They are simply common ordinary citizens doing a JOB [.] Who said that they were? [ What Makes a Nation Great is the Life It Affords every common ordinary CITIZEN: Is it? Not The Prestige That Is Afforded 'The PRESS'. ] What 'prestige'? Ever popularity poll for many years has placed the 'Press' at the bottom, next to politicians. The BBC was 'created' to Serve the 'interests' of People of the UK 'Inform, Entertain, Educate? and as such in doing so indirectly serves the government of the UK. Only in fields like education. The BBC does not 'exist' in a vacuum as an Entity Un-to-Its-Self. Who said it did? The BBC is FAILING at Being "The BBC" and needs to Return to 'First Principles' of providing Accurate, Honest, Balanced and Fair News and Information to the British People that is NOT Obviously Biased and Hostile to the British Government and the common interests of the British People. The 'Press' as a whole are the only defence we have against our own government. ssi... ~ RHF = = = So Say I... My Opinions Stated As Facts. But opinions are not facts. You're not British are you? Mike -- M.J.Powell |
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:04:54 -0500, "W G (Geoff) White"
wrote: Are you telling me that both the US and Britain, with the cutting edge surveillance technology they possess, didn't know there were no WMD? yes, that's exactly what i'm saying. if you have proof othewise, post it Try this for starters: Colin Powell said, in 2001, "Saddam Hussein... has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction." Reference: http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2001/933.htm and since he gave a presentation before the UN shortly before the invasion detailing suspected WMD programs, we can safely assume you took his quote out of context nice, typical hatchet job from the radical left who would rather see hussein killing arabs than see them liberated by the US. --------------------------- to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com" and enter 'wf3h' in the field |
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Clueless Brit "Alan J Giddings" wrote in message
m... THe Beeb is a first class institution which puts to shame any of the ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX news coverage. No, it USED to be that. Until about 10 years ago. And I've been listening to them DAILY since 1966, so I know what I'm talking about. |
King Pineapple wrote: Clueless Brit "Alan J Giddings" wrote in message m... THe Beeb is a first class institution which puts to shame any of the ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX news coverage. No, it USED to be that. Until about 10 years ago. And I've been listening to them DAILY since 1966, so I know what I'm talking about. I'd have to agree with that assessment, I've been listening to them for about the same length of time and they have indeed gone 'downhill' in the last 10 years or so. Steve Holland, MI Drake R7, R8 and R8B |
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donutbandit wrote: (Bob) wrote in : to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com" It's fairly obvious from his posts on this NG. He's a non thinking Nazi far rightist who marches to Rush Limbaugh and calls others ignorant and uninformed when they prove things he doesn't want to hear. I am not a radical leftist, as accused. I am a clear thinking person who is not blinded by nationalism or politicism and can clearly see what went on. wf3h, you'd have made a wonderful SS officer. Your blindness is stupendous. I imagine you use your ham license to transmit ignorance all over the amateur bands, as well. With every post you make you give the TROLL what he desires most. Notice that the thread now revolves around him and not the topic of the thread. Do us all a favor and put him in the kill file. He will have to go somewhere else to get his attention fix. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:29:53 -0500, "W G (Geoff) White"
wrote: Reference: http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2001/933.htm and since he gave a presentation before the UN shortly before the invasion detailing suspected WMD programs, we can safely assume you took his quote out of context No, the reference cited provides the ENTIRE context, so I suppose "we" should assume you didn't even read it-- probably because you're not really interested in the facts, are you? and we can safely assume you've never SEEN collin powell's presentation and don't even know he gave one. Regarding Powell's later presentation-- as you say-- "detailing suspected WMD programs," let's be clear about the facts: no such weapons have been found and Powell's earlier statement is the more correct assessment. thus proving the radical idea to the far left that hindsight is 20/20. if you had proof that powell was wrong, why didn't YOU present it at the time? why didn't the french? the germans? the UN itself? answer: because everyone's intelligence stated that the WMD's existed. that's what hussein's scientists told HIM because they were stealing the money he was spending on WMD's. oh. the far left believed that hussein was a man of honor and always kept his word. you guys actually believed that fascist because the alternative was to accept bush's view. and, again, you're revisionists...liars to be blunt. the issue was not WMD's. it was whether hussein was complying with UN resolution 1441. you lefties are always trying to use hindsight to predict the future. that's why the left is dead in western society. To save you having to read the whole thing, the entire paragraph quoted from is below-- but I bet you still don't read it! I imagine you'll just post another ad hominem attack-- because that's easier for you, heh! Secretary Powell: again, you ignore the fact...as the left does when it re-writes history...that powell gave a presentation to the UN detailing the status of intelligence at the time. thanks, however, for trying to use POST liberation info to judge what people knew PRIOR to the liberation. try again, geoff. the BBC is a loser. and so, of course, are you. --------------------------- to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com" and enter 'wf3h' in the field |
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:42:09 GMT, Telamon
wrote: In article , donutbandit wrote: (Bob) wrote in : to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com" It's fairly obvious from his posts on this NG. He's a non thinking Nazi far rightist who marches to Rush Limbaugh and calls others ignorant and uninformed when they prove things he doesn't want to hear. I am not a radical leftist, as accused. I am a clear thinking person who is not blinded by nationalism or politicism and can clearly see what went on. wf3h, you'd have made a wonderful SS officer. Your blindness is stupendous. I imagine you use your ham license to transmit ignorance all over the amateur bands, as well. With every post you make you give the TROLL what he desires most. Notice that the thread now revolves around him and not the topic of the thread. Do us all a favor and put him in the kill file. He will have to go somewhere else to get his attention fix. -- in lieu of an argument, just run and hide, eh? typical leftie. --------------------------- to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com" and enter 'wf3h' in the field |
MJP,
My replies as inserted in to the prior Message. = = = "M. J. Powell" = = = wrote in message ... In message , RHF writes MJP, "The BBC *never* served the British Government. Lord Reith arranged that in the 1920's. Fortunately." To Re-State My Point: "The BBC No Longer Serves the British People or the British Government." Do you retract your Point about the BBC serving the British Government? NO - First 'the British People' followed by (therefore it follows) 'the British Government'. .. .. The current BBC Management and Staff are an Elitist Class who 'think' that they "Exist" to Serve a Higher Truth and 'The World'. The BBC is Culturally Isolated from the Rest of the common people of the UK. 1. If you mean the beer and chips brigade then I hope so. YES - The average everyday British Citizen. (The 'common' Man.) .. .. 2. Judging by the dumbed-down crap on all channels you are wrong. HELLO - We Are Talking About the BBC's News and Information Content [.] [ Not the entire programming content of the BBC. ] .. .. They suffer for the misguided Idea that they are "The PRESS" the Exhaled and Anointed Few: The Sayers of Truth and Understanding. * 'The PRESS' has No More Rights then any other Citizen of their Country of Nationality. They do, actually. NO - In Fact a Guaranteed Constitutional Right is 'Freedom' of "The PRESS [.] All other 'legal constructions' that are Claimed to be "Derivatives" of that basic right have No actual basis in law. A Member of "The PRESS" simply has the Rights that are Guaranteed Every Citizen. Being a Member of "The PRESS" Does NOT Make One A SUPER-Citizen [.] .. .. * 'The PRESS' does Not Wear a UN Blue Hat. * 'The PRESS does Not Have Diplomatic Status or Immunity. * Being a Member of 'The PRESS' does not Make You Bullet Proof in a War Zone or Time of Civil Disorder. * 'The PRESS' Is Not A Class Above All Others: They are simply common ordinary citizens doing a JOB [.] Who said that they were ? It is NOT what is said - It Is How "The PRESS" Acts [.] .. .. [ What Makes a Nation Great is the Life It Affords every common ordinary CITIZEN: Is it? YES - IT IS [.] .. .. Not The Prestige That Is Afforded 'The PRESS'. ] What 'prestige'? Ever popularity poll for many years has placed the 'Press' at the bottom, next to politicians. The PRESTIGE that "The PRESS" tries to Confer on It's-Self [.] .. .. The BBC was 'created' to Serve the 'interests' of People of the UK 'Inform, Entertain, Educate? HELLO - We Are Talking About the BBC's News and Information Content [.] [ Not the entire programming content of the BBC. ] .. .. and as such in doing so indirectly serves the government of the UK. Only in fields like education. News and Information that is Accurate, Honest, Balanced and Fair creates an Informed Electorate and a Better Citizen; and Results in Better Governance. .. .. The BBC does not 'exist' in a vacuum as an Entity Un-to-Its-Self. Who said it did? It is demonstrated daily in the Recent 'slant' that the BBC Presents in the News and Information that it provides to the British People that is Openly Hostile to the British Government. It Is How the BBC 'reacts' to "Outside" Criticism. .. .. The BBC is FAILING at Being "The BBC" and needs to Return to 'First Principles' of providing Accurate, Honest, Balanced and Fair News and Information to the British People that is NOT Obviously Biased and Hostile to the British Government and the common interests of the British People. The 'Press' as a whole are the only defence we have against our own government. NO - An Informed Electorate is the Best Defense against Bad Government. "The PRESS's role is to provide: Accurate, Honest, Balanced and Fair News and Information to Keep the Average Citizen Imformed. The BBC is Failing in this Role because it is Openly 'slanting' the BBC's News and Information with a decided Anti-British Government Message [.] .. .. ssi... ~ RHF = = = So Say I... My Opinions Stated As Facts. But opinions are not facts. HELLO "Reality Check" For Most People (Read the Average Citizen): * Our FEELINGS Are Facts [.] * Our OPINIONS Are A "Statement" of Our Feelings [.] * Our Opinions Are FACTS [.] (Our Personal Reality) Therefo So Say I... My Opinions Stated As Facts. .. The Age Old Question of Politicians is . . . So Tell Me "What Is John Q Public Saying ?" Translation: Public Opinion -IS- Political Fact [.] .. .. You're not British are you? Mike HEY - You Got That Right ! :o) .. Proud To Say: I Am An American ~ RHF .. .. |
In message , RHF
writes MJP, My replies as inserted in to the prior Message. = = = "M. J. Powell" = = = wrote in message ... In message , RHF writes MJP, "The BBC *never* served the British Government. Lord Reith arranged that in the 1920's. Fortunately." To Re-State My Point: "The BBC No Longer Serves the British People or the British Government." Do you retract your Point about the BBC serving the British Government? NO - First 'the British People' followed by (therefore it follows) 'the British Government'. If the BBC serves the British people it does not follow that it automatically serves the British government. . . The current BBC Management and Staff are an Elitist Class who 'think' that they "Exist" to Serve a Higher Truth and 'The World'. The BBC is Culturally Isolated from the Rest of the common people of the UK. 1. If you mean the beer and chips brigade then I hope so. YES - The average everyday British Citizen. (The 'common' Man.) Then good on the BBC. There is no reason that the morons should have it all their own way. . . 2. Judging by the dumbed-down crap on all channels you are wrong. HELLO - We Are Talking About the BBC's News and Information Content [.] [ Not the entire programming content of the BBC. ] OK They suffer for the misguided Idea that they are "The PRESS" the Exhaled and Anointed Few: The Sayers of Truth and Understanding. * 'The PRESS' has No More Rights then any other Citizen of their Country of Nationality. They do, actually. NO - In Fact a Guaranteed Constitutional Right is 'Freedom' of "The PRESS [.] All other 'legal constructions' that are Claimed to be "Derivatives" of that basic right have No actual basis in law. To remind you of what you said above 'we are talking of BBC News and Information content.' In this country we 'qualified privilege' for the press when reporting certain stories. A Member of "The PRESS" simply has the Rights that are Guaranteed Every Citizen. Not here. Make up your mind which country you are referring to. Being a Member of "The PRESS" Does NOT Make One A SUPER-Citizen [.] Who claimed so? . . * 'The PRESS' does Not Wear a UN Blue Hat. * 'The PRESS does Not Have Diplomatic Status or Immunity. * Being a Member of 'The PRESS' does not Make You Bullet Proof in a War Zone or Time of Civil Disorder. * 'The PRESS' Is Not A Class Above All Others: They are simply common ordinary citizens doing a JOB [.] Who said that they were ? It is NOT what is said - It Is How "The PRESS" Acts [.] The press wears a UN blue hat? The press claims Diplomatic Status and Immunity? The press claims to be bullet-proof? Right. . . [ What Makes a Nation Great is the Life It Affords every common ordinary CITIZEN: Is it? YES - IT IS [.] . . Not The Prestige That Is Afforded 'The PRESS'. ] What 'prestige'? Ever popularity poll for many years has placed the 'Press' at the bottom, next to politicians. The PRESTIGE that "The PRESS" tries to Confer on It's-Self [.] How do you claim prestige? . . The BBC was 'created' to Serve the 'interests' of People of the UK 'Inform, Entertain, Educate? HELLO - We Are Talking About the BBC's News and Information Content [.] [ Not the entire programming content of the BBC. ] . . and as such in doing so indirectly serves the government of the UK. Only in fields like education. News and Information that is Accurate, Honest, Balanced and Fair creates an Informed Electorate and a Better Citizen; and Results in Better Governance. Hehehe! The BBC does not 'exist' in a vacuum as an Entity Un-to-Its-Self. Who said it did? It is demonstrated daily in the Recent 'slant' that the BBC Presents in the News and Information that it provides to the British People that is Openly Hostile to the British Government. It Is How the BBC 'reacts' to "Outside" Criticism. It is the duty of the BBC and press to point out to the public the cock-ups of the government, of whichever party. And there have been plenty from this government. Foot-and-mouth disease, immigrants, the NHS, the railways, the fishing industry...etc. . . The BBC is FAILING at Being "The BBC" and needs to Return to 'First Principles' of providing Accurate, Honest, Balanced and Fair News and Information to the British People that is NOT Obviously Biased and Hostile to the British Government and the common interests of the British People. To point out negatives is not being hostile. The 'Press' as a whole are the only defence we have against our own government. NO - An Informed Electorate is the Best Defense against Bad Government. "The PRESS's role is to provide: Accurate, Honest, Balanced and Fair News and Information to Keep the Average Citizen Imformed. The BBC is informing the electorate. The press usually doesn't have enough information to be 'Accurate' particularly when most of the info comes from the government itself. The BBC is Failing in this Role because it is Openly 'slanting' the BBC's News and Information with a decided Anti-British Government Message [.] "Dog bites man is not news. Man bites dog is news". You're not British are you? HEY - You Got That Right ! :o) I wonder how I guessed. . Proud To Say: I Am An American ~ RHF Well, OK. Not everyone can be British. Mike -- M.J.Powell |
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 18:18:55 -0500, "W G (Geoff) White"
wrote: the fact you seem reluctant to admit, as a revisionist leftie, is that the BBC itself both admitted it was wrong AND apologized. gilligan lied. that's why he resigned. the executives covered for his lie. That's the second time you've tried to put *your* words in *my* mouth. Check the posts in this newgroup. You'll see I have not said anything about the BBC's statements, pro or con. then check out of the thread. that was the topic. if you want to address something off topic, find another thread. the topic was the integrity of the BBC and its leftist agitating for the fascist regime in baghdad. and that's the end of the story. unless you can show me where the BBC is lying when it said it lied, you got a problem. As Ronald Reagan said, "there you go again!" By the way, the personal attack-- "you got a problem" is not an argument-- even if the rest of what you said was true, which it was not. really? the BBC didn't apologize? golly. then I guess someone has hijacked bush house, because I personally heard the BBC issue an apology to blair for its lies. if you can find any managers remaining at the BBC who HAVEN'T resigned because of its lies, by all means, tell us what the story was. unless, of course, the far left hasn't revised that version of history yet. --------------------------- to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com" and enter 'wf3h' in the field |
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"M. J. Powell" wrote in message ...
In message , RHF writes MJP, My replies as inserted in to the prior Message. = = = "M. J. Powell" = = = wrote in message ... In message , RHF writes MJP, "The BBC *never* served the British Government. Lord Reith arranged that in the 1920's. Fortunately." To Re-State My Point: "The BBC No Longer Serves the British People or the British Government." Do you retract your Point about the BBC serving the British Government? NO - First 'the British People' followed by (therefore it follows) 'the British Government'. If the BBC serves the British people it does not follow that it automatically serves the British government. 1. The British People 're-create' the British Government with each new "Election". 2. The British Government 'created' the BBC to "Serve" the British People. 3. You Draw Your Own Conclusion -&- I Will Draw My Own Conclusion. .. .. . . The current BBC Management and Staff are an Elitist Class who 'think' that they "Exist" to Serve a Higher Truth and 'The World'. The BBC is Culturally Isolated from the Rest of the common people of the UK. 1. If you mean the beer and chips brigade then I hope so. YES - The average everyday British Citizen. (The 'common' Man.) Then good on the BBC. There is no reason that the morons should have it all their own way. So... You 'label' the average everyday British Citizen "A MORON" (The 'common' Man.) .. .. . . 2. Judging by the dumbed-down crap on all channels you are wrong. HELLO - We Are Talking About the BBC's News and Information Content [.] [ Not the entire programming content of the BBC. ] OK They suffer for the misguided Idea that they are "The PRESS" the Exhaled and Anointed Few: The Sayers of Truth and Understanding. * 'The PRESS' has No More Rights then any other Citizen of their Country of Nationality. They do, actually. NO - In Fact a Guaranteed Constitutional Right is 'Freedom' of "The PRESS [.] All other 'legal constructions' that are Claimed to be "Derivatives" of that basic right have No actual basis in law. To remind you of what you said above 'we are talking of BBC News and Information content.' In this country we 'qualified privilege' for the press when reporting certain stories. A Member of "The PRESS" simply has the Rights that are Guaranteed Every Citizen. Not here. Make up your mind which country you are referring to. In Your Mind. .. .. Being a Member of "The PRESS" Does NOT Make One A SUPER-Citizen [.] Who claimed so? "The PRESS" by their Elitist Actions and Arrogant Nature ! .. .. . . * 'The PRESS' does Not Wear a UN Blue Hat. * 'The PRESS does Not Have Diplomatic Status or Immunity. * Being a Member of 'The PRESS' does not Make You Bullet Proof in a War Zone or Time of Civil Disorder. * 'The PRESS' Is Not A Class Above All Others: They are simply common ordinary citizens doing a JOB [.] Who said that they were ? It is NOT what is said - It Is How "The PRESS" Acts [.] The press wears a UN blue hat? The press claims Diplomatic Status and Immunity? The press claims to be bullet-proof? Right. "The PRESS" by their Elitist Actions and Arrogant Nature ! .. .. . . [ What Makes a Nation Great is the Life It Affords every common ordinary CITIZEN: Is it? YES - IT IS [.] . . Not The Prestige That Is Afforded 'The PRESS'. ] What 'prestige'? Ever popularity poll for many years has placed the 'Press' at the bottom, next to politicians. The PRESTIGE that "The PRESS" tries to Confer on It's-Self [.] How do you claim prestige? "The PRESS" by their Elitist Actions and Arrogant Nature ! .. .. . . The BBC was 'created' to Serve the 'interests' of People of the UK 'Inform, Entertain, Educate? HELLO - We Are Talking About the BBC's News and Information Content [.] [ Not the entire programming content of the BBC. ] . . and as such in doing so indirectly serves the government of the UK. Only in fields like education. News and Information that is Accurate, Honest, Balanced and Fair creates an Informed Electorate and a Better Citizen; and Results in Better Governance. Hehehe! The BBC does not 'exist' in a vacuum as an Entity Un-to-Its-Self. Who said it did? It is demonstrated daily in the Recent 'slant' that the BBC Presents in the News and Information that it provides to the British People that is Openly Hostile to the British Government. It Is How the BBC 'reacts' to "Outside" Criticism. It is the duty of the BBC and press to point out to the public the cock-ups of the government, of whichever party. And there have been plenty from this government. Foot-and-mouth disease, immigrants, the NHS, the railways, the fishing industry...etc. YES - But, the BBC has taken on a decidely "Slanted" and Biased Distortion of News and Information with respect to the current British Government. The BBC needs to return to providing News and Information that is Accurate, Honest, Balanced and Fair to the British People; and once again create an Well Informed British Electorate. IT IS AN INFORMED ELECTORATE THAT WILL HOLD THE BRITISH GOVENMENT ACCOUNTABLE. .. .. . . The BBC is FAILING at Being "The BBC" and needs to Return to 'First Principles' of providing Accurate, Honest, Balanced and Fair News and Information to the British People that is NOT Obviously Biased and Hostile to the British Government and the common interests of the British People. To point out negatives is not being hostile. The BBC has taken on a decidely "Slanted" and Biased Distortion of the News and Information with respect to the current British Government is NOT simply pointing-ot-negatives - IT IS BEING NEGATIVE. .. .. The 'Press' as a whole are the only defence we have against our own government. NO - An Informed Electorate is the Best Defense against Bad Government. "The PRESS's role is to provide: Accurate, Honest, Balanced and Fair News and Information to Keep the Average Citizen Imformed. The BBC is informing the electorate. The press usually doesn't have enough information to be 'Accurate' particularly when most of the info comes from the government itself. The BBC is Failing in this Role because it is Openly 'slanting' the BBC's News and Information with a decided Anti-British Government Message [.] "Dog bites man is not news. Man bites dog is news". YES - The HeadLine may indeed read "Man Bites Dog" But, Accurate, Honest, Balanced and Fair "Reporting" of the News and Information would also Report on the Facts concerning the Number of People Bitten by Dogs Each Day and Ways to Prevent People form Getting Bit by a Dog. .. .. You're not British are you? HEY - You Got That Right ! :o) I wonder how I guessed. . Proud To Say: I Am An American ~ RHF Well, OK. Not everyone can be British. YES - I Thank God Almighty -that- I Am An American ~ RHF .. .. Mike .. |
On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 08:51:14 -0500, "W G (Geoff) White"
wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 04:35:08 GMT, (Bob) wrote: Check the posts in this newgroup. You'll see I have not said anything about the BBC's statements, pro or con. then check out of the thread. that was the topic. if you want to address something off topic, find another thread. Bob, if you think you're the topic cop here then you probably need to grow up. Geoff IOW you can't address the issue, you refuse to accept the fact the BBC said they lied, and then apologized. you are having a nuclear meltdown over the fact gilligan committed professional suicide, and the revisionist left can't come to grips with it. thanks. i already knew that, geoff. --------------------------- to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com" and enter 'wf3h' in the field |
Bob wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 08:51:14 -0500, "W G (Geoff) White" wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 04:35:08 GMT, (Bob) wrote: Check the posts in this newgroup. You'll see I have not said anything about the BBC's statements, pro or con. then check out of the thread. that was the topic. if you want to address something off topic, find another thread. Bob, if you think you're the topic cop here then you probably need to grow up. Geoff IOW you can't address the issue, you refuse to accept the fact the BBC said they lied, and then apologized. you are having a nuclear meltdown over the fact gilligan committed professional suicide, and the revisionist left can't come to grips with it. thanks. i already knew that, geoff. Gilligan committed suicide? Gosh, I wonder how the Skipper will handle that? MaryAnne, the Professor...? --------------------------- to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com" and enter 'wf3h' in the field |
On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:42:14 -0500, N8KDV
wrote: Bob wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 08:51:14 -0500, "W G (Geoff) White" wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 04:35:08 GMT, (Bob) wrote: Check the posts in this newgroup. You'll see I have not said anything about the BBC's statements, pro or con. then check out of the thread. that was the topic. if you want to address something off topic, find another thread. Bob, if you think you're the topic cop here then you probably need to grow up. Geoff IOW you can't address the issue, you refuse to accept the fact the BBC said they lied, and then apologized. you are having a nuclear meltdown over the fact gilligan committed professional suicide, and the revisionist left can't come to grips with it. thanks. i already knew that, geoff. Gilligan committed suicide? Gosh, I wonder how the Skipper will handle that? MaryAnne, the Professor...? we could only hope. he merely ended his career. AFAIK, the BBC is the only british organization employing professional liars they believe are immune to being called on it. this is, after all, an organization that fired one of its hosts for complaining about islam, THEN hired the head of al jazeera to head up its arabic language broadcasts. there's a reason the BBC was a whore for hussein. --------------------------- to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com" and enter 'wf3h' in the field |
Bob wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:42:14 -0500, N8KDV wrote: Bob wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 08:51:14 -0500, "W G (Geoff) White" wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 04:35:08 GMT, (Bob) wrote: Check the posts in this newgroup. You'll see I have not said anything about the BBC's statements, pro or con. then check out of the thread. that was the topic. if you want to address something off topic, find another thread. Bob, if you think you're the topic cop here then you probably need to grow up. Geoff IOW you can't address the issue, you refuse to accept the fact the BBC said they lied, and then apologized. you are having a nuclear meltdown over the fact gilligan committed professional suicide, and the revisionist left can't come to grips with it. thanks. i already knew that, geoff. Gilligan committed suicide? Gosh, I wonder how the Skipper will handle that? MaryAnne, the Professor...? Went right over your head didn't it? we could only hope. he merely ended his career. AFAIK, the BBC is the only british organization employing professional liars they believe are immune to being called on it. this is, after all, an organization that fired one of its hosts for complaining about islam, THEN hired the head of al jazeera to head up its arabic language broadcasts. there's a reason the BBC was a whore for hussein. --------------------------- to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com" and enter 'wf3h' in the field |
On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:41:02 -0500, N8KDV
wrote: Bob wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:42:14 -0500, N8KDV wrote: Bob wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 08:51:14 -0500, "W G (Geoff) White" wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 04:35:08 GMT, (Bob) wrote: Check the posts in this newgroup. You'll see I have not said anything about the BBC's statements, pro or con. then check out of the thread. that was the topic. if you want to address something off topic, find another thread. Bob, if you think you're the topic cop here then you probably need to grow up. Geoff IOW you can't address the issue, you refuse to accept the fact the BBC said they lied, and then apologized. you are having a nuclear meltdown over the fact gilligan committed professional suicide, and the revisionist left can't come to grips with it. thanks. i already knew that, geoff. Gilligan committed suicide? Gosh, I wonder how the Skipper will handle that? MaryAnne, the Professor...? Went right over your head didn't it? nah, i called him 'gilligan's island' long before you got on the scene. your comment is derivative. --------------------------- to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com" and enter 'wf3h' in the field |
Bob wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:41:02 -0500, N8KDV wrote: Bob wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:42:14 -0500, N8KDV wrote: Bob wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 08:51:14 -0500, "W G (Geoff) White" wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 04:35:08 GMT, (Bob) wrote: Check the posts in this newgroup. You'll see I have not said anything about the BBC's statements, pro or con. then check out of the thread. that was the topic. if you want to address something off topic, find another thread. Bob, if you think you're the topic cop here then you probably need to grow up. Geoff IOW you can't address the issue, you refuse to accept the fact the BBC said they lied, and then apologized. you are having a nuclear meltdown over the fact gilligan committed professional suicide, and the revisionist left can't come to grips with it. thanks. i already knew that, geoff. Gilligan committed suicide? Gosh, I wonder how the Skipper will handle that? MaryAnne, the Professor...? Went right over your head didn't it? nah, i called him 'gilligan's island' long before you got on the scene. your comment is derivative. ROTFLMAOPMP! --------------------------- to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com" and enter 'wf3h' in the field |
On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:04:27 -0500, N8KDV
wrote: Bob wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:41:02 -0500, N8KDV wrote: Bob wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:42:14 -0500, N8KDV wrote: Bob wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 08:51:14 -0500, "W G (Geoff) White" wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 04:35:08 GMT, (Bob) wrote: Check the posts in this newgroup. You'll see I have not said anything about the BBC's statements, pro or con. then check out of the thread. that was the topic. if you want to address something off topic, find another thread. Bob, if you think you're the topic cop here then you probably need to grow up. Geoff IOW you can't address the issue, you refuse to accept the fact the BBC said they lied, and then apologized. you are having a nuclear meltdown over the fact gilligan committed professional suicide, and the revisionist left can't come to grips with it. thanks. i already knew that, geoff. Gilligan committed suicide? Gosh, I wonder how the Skipper will handle that? MaryAnne, the Professor...? Went right over your head didn't it? nah, i called him 'gilligan's island' long before you got on the scene. your comment is derivative. ROTFLMAOPMP! yep. typical loser's response... betcha you thought that was rather profound... --------------------------- to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com" and enter 'wf3h' in the field |
Bob wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:04:27 -0500, N8KDV wrote: Bob wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:41:02 -0500, N8KDV wrote: Bob wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:42:14 -0500, N8KDV wrote: Bob wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 08:51:14 -0500, "W G (Geoff) White" wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 04:35:08 GMT, (Bob) wrote: Check the posts in this newgroup. You'll see I have not said anything about the BBC's statements, pro or con. then check out of the thread. that was the topic. if you want to address something off topic, find another thread. Bob, if you think you're the topic cop here then you probably need to grow up. Geoff IOW you can't address the issue, you refuse to accept the fact the BBC said they lied, and then apologized. you are having a nuclear meltdown over the fact gilligan committed professional suicide, and the revisionist left can't come to grips with it. thanks. i already knew that, geoff. Gilligan committed suicide? Gosh, I wonder how the Skipper will handle that? MaryAnne, the Professor...? Went right over your head didn't it? nah, i called him 'gilligan's island' long before you got on the scene. your comment is derivative. ROTFLMAOPMP! yep. typical loser's response... Yep, I am indeed a loser! You on the other hand are a 'real winner'! betcha you thought that was rather profound... Nope! Just meant in a humorous vein! But as I said, it flew over your head and you simply chose to continue your rant! Go back and read it! It's quite obvious that you only read "Gilligan committed suicide?", but failed to read the rest. Nice try, but no cigar. Steve Holland, MI Drake R7, R8 and R8B "I swear by, not at, Drake receivers" © http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
"N8KDV" wrote in message ... Bob wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:41:02 -0500, N8KDV wrote: Bob wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:42:14 -0500, N8KDV wrote: Bob wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 08:51:14 -0500, "W G (Geoff) White" wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 04:35:08 GMT, (Bob) wrote: Check the posts in this newgroup. You'll see I have not said anything about the BBC's statements, pro or con. then check out of the thread. that was the topic. if you want to address something off topic, find another thread. Bob, if you think you're the topic cop here then you probably need to grow up. Geoff IOW you can't address the issue, you refuse to accept the fact the BBC said they lied, and then apologized. you are having a nuclear meltdown over the fact gilligan committed professional suicide, and the revisionist left can't come to grips with it. thanks. i already knew that, geoff. Gilligan committed suicide? Gosh, I wonder how the Skipper will handle that? MaryAnne, the Professor...? Went right over your head didn't it? nah, i called him 'gilligan's island' long before you got on the scene. your comment is derivative. ROTFLMAOPMP! But, wouldn't that technically make England "Gilligan's Island"? :) |
On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:16:43 -0500, N8KDV
wrote: Bob wrote: nah, i called him 'gilligan's island' long before you got on the scene. your comment is derivative. ROTFLMAOPMP! yep. typical loser's response... Yep, I am indeed a loser! You on the other hand are a 'real winner'! betcha you thought that was rather profound... Nope! Just meant in a humorous vein! But as I said, it flew over your head and you simply chose to continue your rant! Go back and read it! It's quite obvious that you only read "Gilligan committed suicide?", but failed to read the rest. Nice try, but no cigar. hmmm...seems he and clinton have the same use for cigars... funny how the least little thing amuses him...to paraphrase james bond... --------------------------- to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com" and enter 'wf3h' in the field |
Bob wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:16:43 -0500, N8KDV wrote: Bob wrote: nah, i called him 'gilligan's island' long before you got on the scene. your comment is derivative. ROTFLMAOPMP! yep. typical loser's response... Yep, I am indeed a loser! You on the other hand are a 'real winner'! betcha you thought that was rather profound... Nope! Just meant in a humorous vein! But as I said, it flew over your head and you simply chose to continue your rant! Go back and read it! It's quite obvious that you only read "Gilligan committed suicide?", but failed to read the rest. Nice try, but no cigar. hmmm...seems he and clinton have the same use for cigars... Another of your tired cliches Bob? funny how the least little thing amuses him...to paraphrase james bond... What would amuse me even more Bob is for you to go off your meds again and start your anti-gun rant! Steve Holland, MI Drake R7, R8 and R8B http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
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