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A Window into RHF
If you read the news story that was printed in the WSU Sign Post
online News Paper. The 'arrest' came about during a WSU sponsored event: MWB was on the Job at a Student Event. Had MWB simply been 'doing-his-thing' at home alone or with friends; most likely there would have been "No Problem". BUT - The underlying issue for MWB's arrest and prosecution may really have been a WSU 'official' [MWB] acting as a corrupting influence on the "Young Students". At that time the Good People of Utah, take a dim view of Adults who have been a bad example for there youth. about: The former Iron County District Attorney "Scott Burns" became Federal Assistant Drug Czar in the Bush Adminstartion. http://www.marijuana.org/PRmenageAtrois.htm "Scott Burns" Deputy Director for State and Local Affairs at the White House Office of Drug Control Policy. http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread15289.shtml "Iron County District Attorney SCOTT BURNS has won reelection in rural southern Utah four times by not prosecuting anyone under the State's anti-polygamy laws and instead focusing the resources of his office on marijuana users. His zeal in prosecuting marijuana cases has earned him President George W. Bush's nomination to be Deputy Director for State and Local Affairs in the Office of National Drug Control Policy." http://www.hempevolution.org/media/m...g/mo011205.htm jm2cw ~ RHF Thank you, Fisk. First, thanks for proving that I was dealing with a prosecutor who had his sights on a higher office. BTW, have you ever heard of prosecutor making such statements to the press in a case involving misdemeanor marijuana before the case even went to trial? Second, thanks for proving my point that I was dealing with a prosecutor with misguided priorities. Even though Iron County has some of the highest rates of polygamy (hardly a victimless crime, particularly with frequent case of forced juvenile marriages) and methamphetamine abuse, here was a prosecutor that made a career of trying to send college student caught with miniscule amounts of marijuana to prison. It tells you a lot about the inhabitants of that area that they would four times relect an official with such misguided priorities. The fact the Your Pesident thought such misguided priorites ere cause for federal appointment says a lot about Bush, too. What I would like anyone still following this foolishness to do is read the rest of your web sites instead of the snippet you chose to edit out. When they do so they'll find out about: 1. Mr Burns' twice-failed attempt at statewide election to the Utah office of State Attorney General. Verifying, of course, what N8KDV said I was lying about. 2. The atrocious crimes perpetuated by polygamy upon juvenile females. Mr. Burns ran for office bragging about having never prosecuted a single polygamist married to an underage female. Obviously, a quarter ounce of marijuana was a far more serious crime in his twisted scheme of reality. That George Bush would reward Mr. Burns with a federal office is a telling indict of Mr. Bush's own priorities. 3. That Cedar City paid its debt caused by bad Wall Street investments by a collusion between the County Attorney (Scott Burns) and the City Attorney (Alice Burns, Scotty's wife!) to heap inordinate penalties on travelers passing through Cedar City. The routine was to file multiple charges with threats of multi-year prison terms to get their victims to pay fines when they agreed to non-contested plea bargains. So, the Burns' moral crusade against pot was an extremely profit-based crusade. Yep, it's easy to see what Bush finds so delightful about this fellow. What you won't find in your sites, Mr. Fisk, is the way Scott Burns engaged in a form of personal assassination against anyone he prosecuted. For example, the interviews he called into three newspapers make it appear that I was caught smoking pot with a male student in a hotel room. Nice overtones and subtle hints of homosexuality. What he failed to mention was that there were over 15 people of both sexes and severaal schools in the hotel room relaxing and socializing and that the substances found were not on my person. One might wonder why a prosecutor would leave that information out. BTW, it was 200 miles from WSU and not a WSU-sponsored event, as you suggested. Again, folks, don't take my word for it. Read Roy Fisk's own URLs: http://www.marijuana.org/PRmenageAtrois.htm http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread15289.shtml http://www.hempevolution.org/media/m...g/mo011205.htm Thanks for all your help, Roy Fisk! Remember, it was George Bush, your favorite President, that chose to reward an individual like Scott Burns. |
Michael Bryant wrote:
Snip Second, thanks for proving my point that I was dealing with a prosecutor with misguided priorities. Even though Iron County has some of the highest rates of polygamy (hardly a victimless crime, particularly with frequent case of forced juvenile marriages) and methamphetamine abuse, here was a prosecutor that made a career of trying to send college student caught with miniscule amounts of marijuana to prison. It tells you a lot about the inhabitants of that area that they would four times relect an official with such misguided priorities. The fact the Your Pesident thought such misguided priorites ere cause for federal appointment says a lot about Bush, too. The job Bush appointed this guy to is in drug control. Like it or not, grass is still illegal. Seems like a better fit for him than the job he had. It's not like Bush put him in charge of a Polygamy task force. |
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Michael Bryant wrote: If you read the news story that was printed in the WSU Sign Post online News Paper. The 'arrest' came about during a WSU sponsored event: MWB was on the Job at a Student Event. Had MWB simply been 'doing-his-thing' at home alone or with friends; most likely there would have been "No Problem". BUT - The underlying issue for MWB's arrest and prosecution may really have been a WSU 'official' [MWB] acting as a corrupting influence on the "Young Students". At that time the Good People of Utah, take a dim view of Adults who have been a bad example for there youth. about: The former Iron County District Attorney "Scott Burns" became Federal Assistant Drug Czar in the Bush Adminstartion. http://www.marijuana.org/PRmenageAtrois.htm "Scott Burns" Deputy Director for State and Local Affairs at the White House Office of Drug Control Policy. http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread15289.shtml "Iron County District Attorney SCOTT BURNS has won reelection in rural southern Utah four times by not prosecuting anyone under the State's anti-polygamy laws and instead focusing the resources of his office on marijuana users. His zeal in prosecuting marijuana cases has earned him President George W. Bush's nomination to be Deputy Director for State and Local Affairs in the Office of National Drug Control Policy." http://www.hempevolution.org/media/m...g/mo011205.htm jm2cw ~ RHF Thank you, Fisk. First, thanks for proving that I was dealing with a prosecutor who had his sights on a higher office. Perhaps, but you did not answer my earlier question ;-) You alluded to the fact that the reason he was prosecuting you in the manner in which he was because he was running for another State office. Can you show us any evidence that he was running for this office *during* the time frame in which he was prosecuting you? BTW, have you ever heard of prosecutor making such statements to the press in a case involving misdemeanor marijuana before the case even went to trial? Sure, all the time. Happens around here at least. After all, at the time you were a bit of a *high profile case* as it were. Second, thanks for proving my point that I was dealing with a prosecutor with misguided priorities. *Misguided priorities* Bryant? His *priorities* were to enforce the law as the citizens of the State of Utah saw fit. Even though Iron County has some of the highest rates of polygamy (hardly a victimless crime, particularly with frequent case of forced juvenile marriages) and methamphetamine abuse, here was a prosecutor that made a career of trying to send college student caught with miniscule amounts of marijuana to prison. It tells you a lot about the inhabitants of that area that they would four times relect an official with such misguided priorities. The fact the Your Pesident thought such misguided priorites ere cause for federal appointment says a lot about Bush, too. Guess you'd have to provide some *statistics* for us to peruse before we could make a judgment as to what you are stating above is true. But obviously it would appear that the residents of Iron County were happy though, they *did* elect him four times! You don't like elections or the *will* of the people Bryant? What I would like anyone still following this foolishness to do is read the rest of your web sites instead of the snippet you chose to edit out. When they do so they'll find out about: 1. Mr Burns' twice-failed attempt at statewide election to the Utah office of State Attorney General. Verifying, of course, what N8KDV said I was lying about. No, what I was asking about is referenced in my first statement in this post. That is: Was he running for this office while he was prosecuting you? Simple question. 2. The atrocious crimes perpetuated by polygamy upon juvenile females. Mr. Burns ran for office bragging about having never prosecuted a single polygamist married to an underage female. Obviously, a quarter ounce of marijuana was a far more serious crime in his twisted scheme of reality. That George Bush would reward Mr. Burns with a federal office is a telling indict of Mr. Bush's own priorities. 3. That Cedar City paid its debt caused by bad Wall Street investments by a collusion between the County Attorney (Scott Burns) and the City Attorney (Alice Burns, Scotty's wife!) to heap inordinate penalties on travelers passing through Cedar City. The routine was to file multiple charges with threats of multi-year prison terms to get their victims to pay fines when they agreed to non-contested plea bargains. So, the Burns' moral crusade against pot was an extremely profit-based crusade. Yep, it's easy to see what Bush finds so delightful about this fellow. What you won't find in your sites, Mr. Fisk, is the way Scott Burns engaged in a form of personal assassination against anyone he prosecuted. For example, the interviews he called into three newspapers make it appear that I was caught smoking pot with a male student in a hotel room. Nice overtones and subtle hints of homosexuality. What he failed to mention was that there were over 15 people of both sexes and severaal schools in the hotel room relaxing and socializing and that the substances found were not on my person. One might wonder why a prosecutor would leave that information out. BTW, it was 200 miles from WSU and not a WSU-sponsored event, as you suggested. Again, folks, don't take my word for it. Read Roy Fisk's own URLs: http://www.marijuana.org/PRmenageAtrois.htm http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread15289.shtml http://www.hempevolution.org/media/m...g/mo011205.htm Thanks for all your help, Roy Fisk! Remember, it was George Bush, your favorite President, that chose to reward an individual like Scott Burns. Yada, Yada, Yada. Spin, Spin, Spin. Yawn! |
From: N8KDV Gee, Steve, you seem to have calmed down a little bit, today, so I'll answer you, though if I had good sense, I'd probably recognize the futility of trying to reason with you. Perhaps, but you did not answer my earlier question ;-) You alluded to the fact that the reason he was prosecuting you in the manner in which he was because he was running for another State office. Can you show us any evidence that he was running for this office *during* the time frame in which he was prosecuting you? Well, he had lost an earlier race to Jan Graham, the state's Democratic AG. He had already announced his intent and formed a fundraising committe to explore the possibilities of another run. I believe he lost the 2nd attemp, though I don't know if it was in the statewide primary or the General Election. I had left the state by then. The fact that he had two failed campaigns for AG was mentioned in RHF's URLs. If you need more documentation, I'm sure you're capable of finding it on your own. BTW, have you ever heard of prosecutor making such statements to the press in a case involving misdemeanor marijuana before the case even went to trial? Sure, all the time. Happens around here at least. After all, at the time you were a bit of a *high profile case* as it were. Could you document pre-trial statements from a prosecutor in Holland, MI, in a case invovling a qarter of an ounce of pot. In a case that didn't even include an arrest? Waiting for your URLs.... Second, thanks for proving my point that I was dealing with a prosecutor with misguided priorities. *Misguided priorities* Bryant? His *priorities* were to enforce the law as the citizens of the State of Utah saw fit. So, why did he not enforce the statewide laws supported by the majority of Utah citizens against polygamy? Against harder drug use by local Cedar City citizens? The job of a prosecutor is not to enforce only those laws that he believes he can make money on, while not endangering his local re-election attempt. Even though Iron County has some of the highest rates of polygamy (hardly a victimless crime, particularly with frequent case of forced juvenile marriages) and methamphetamine abuse, here was a prosecutor that made a career of trying to send college student caught with miniscule amounts of marijuana to prison. It tells you a lot about the inhabitants of that area that they would four times relect an official with such misguided priorities. The fact the Your Pesident thought such misguided priorites ere cause for federal appointment says a lot about Bush, too. Guess you'd have to provide some *statistics* for us to peruse before we could make a judgment as to what you are stating above is true. The non-statistical evidence is in RHFs URLS. Read them, if you can. But obviously it would appear that the residents of Iron County were happy though, they *did* elect him four times! You don't like elections or the *will* of the people Bryant? Your view of democract is pretty twisted. That perspective would still have police officers in the South looking the other way while minorities were being lynched. Burns' failure to enforce polygamy laws or to crack down on Iron County meth labs was wrong, even if it did keep him being re-elected by the citizens of the Utah county with the largest number of polygamists. What I would like anyone still following this foolishness to do is read the rest of your web sites instead of the snippet you chose to edit out. When they do so they'll find out about: 1. Mr Burns' twice-failed attempt at statewide election to the Utah office of State Attorney General. Verifying, of course, what N8KDV said I was lying about. No, what I was asking about is referenced in my first statement in this post. That is: Was he running for this office while he was prosecuting you? Simple question. I don't think the election was in 2001, but most likely, the next year. But when you're a politician your actions in a year prior to an election definitely seems to convey PR possibilities. 2. The atrocious crimes perpetuated by polygamy upon juvenile females. Mr. Burns ran for office bragging about having never prosecuted a single polygamist married to an underage female. Obviously, a quarter ounce of marijuana was a far more serious crime in his twisted scheme of reality. That George Bush would reward Mr. Burns with a federal office is a telling indict of Mr. Bush's own priorities. 3. That Cedar City paid its debt caused by bad Wall Street investments by a collusion between the County Attorney (Scott Burns) and the City Attorney (Alice Burns, Scotty's wife!) to heap inordinate penalties on travelers passing through Cedar City. The routine was to file multiple charges with threats of multi-year prison terms to get their victims to pay fines when they agreed to non-contested plea bargains. So, the Burns' moral crusade against pot was an extremely profit-based crusade. Yep, it's easy to see what Bush finds so delightful about this fellow. What you won't find in your sites, Mr. Fisk, is the way Scott Burns engaged in a form of personal assassination against anyone he prosecuted. For example, the interviews he called into three newspapers make it appear that I was caught smoking pot with a male student in a hotel room. Nice overtones and subtle hints of homosexuality. What he failed to mention was that there were over 15 people of both sexes and severaal schools in the hotel room relaxing and socializing and that the substances found were not on my person. One might wonder why a prosecutor would leave that information out. BTW, it was 200 miles from WSU and not a WSU-sponsored event, as you suggested. Again, folks, don't take my word for it. Read Roy Fisk's own URLs: http://www.marijuana.org/PRmenageAtrois.htm http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread15289.shtml http://www.hempevolution.org/media/m...g/mo011205.htm Thanks for all your help, Roy Fisk! Remember, it was George Bush, your favorite President, that chose to reward an individual like Scott Burns. Yada, Yada, Yada. Spin, Spin, Spin. Yawn! And we all know, Steve, that your every word is full of meaning and there isn't anything you'd ever dare to spin, right? Come on, Steve. Be a reasonable person, instead of a constant warrior. And thanks, again, to RHF. Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nojunk" to reply) |
Michael Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV Gee, Steve, you seem to have calmed down a little bit, today, so I'll answer you, though if I had good sense, I'd probably recognize the futility of trying to reason with you. Perhaps, but you did not answer my earlier question ;-) You alluded to the fact that the reason he was prosecuting you in the manner in which he was because he was running for another State office. Can you show us any evidence that he was running for this office *during* the time frame in which he was prosecuting you? Well, he had lost an earlier race to Jan Graham, the state's Democratic AG. He had already announced his intent and formed a fundraising committe to explore the possibilities of another run. I believe he lost the 2nd attemp, though I don't know if it was in the statewide primary or the General Election. I had left the state by then. The fact that he had two failed campaigns for AG was mentioned in RHF's URLs. If you need more documentation, I'm sure you're capable of finding it on your own. BTW, have you ever heard of prosecutor making such statements to the press in a case involving misdemeanor marijuana before the case even went to trial? Sure, all the time. Happens around here at least. After all, at the time you were a bit of a *high profile case* as it were. Could you document pre-trial statements from a prosecutor in Holland, MI, in a case invovling a qarter of an ounce of pot. In a case that didn't even include an arrest? Waiting for your URLs.... Nope, can't *document* it, but prosecutors have been known both here and in other locales to comment on their cases. Keep waiting! Second, thanks for proving my point that I was dealing with a prosecutor with misguided priorities. *Misguided priorities* Bryant? His *priorities* were to enforce the law as the citizens of the State of Utah saw fit. So, why did he not enforce the statewide laws supported by the majority of Utah citizens against polygamy? Against harder drug use by local Cedar City citizens? The job of a prosecutor is not to enforce only those laws that he believes he can make money on, while not endangering his local re-election attempt. Even though Iron County has some of the highest rates of polygamy (hardly a victimless crime, particularly with frequent case of forced juvenile marriages) and methamphetamine abuse, here was a prosecutor that made a career of trying to send college student caught with miniscule amounts of marijuana to prison. It tells you a lot about the inhabitants of that area that they would four times relect an official with such misguided priorities. The fact the Your Pesident thought such misguided priorites ere cause for federal appointment says a lot about Bush, too. Guess you'd have to provide some *statistics* for us to peruse before we could make a judgment as to what you are stating above is true. The non-statistical evidence is in RHFs URLS. Read them, if you can. But obviously it would appear that the residents of Iron County were happy though, they *did* elect him four times! You don't like elections or the *will* of the people Bryant? Your view of democract is pretty twisted. That perspective would still have police officers in the South looking the other way while minorities were being lynched. Burns' failure to enforce polygamy laws or to crack down on Iron County meth labs was wrong, even if it did keep him being re-elected by the citizens of the Utah county with the largest number of polygamists. What I would like anyone still following this foolishness to do is read the rest of your web sites instead of the snippet you chose to edit out. When they do so they'll find out about: 1. Mr Burns' twice-failed attempt at statewide election to the Utah office of State Attorney General. Verifying, of course, what N8KDV said I was lying about. No, what I was asking about is referenced in my first statement in this post. That is: Was he running for this office while he was prosecuting you? Simple question. I don't think the election was in 2001, but most likely, the next year. But when you're a politician your actions in a year prior to an election definitely seems to convey PR possibilities. 2. The atrocious crimes perpetuated by polygamy upon juvenile females. Mr. Burns ran for office bragging about having never prosecuted a single polygamist married to an underage female. Obviously, a quarter ounce of marijuana was a far more serious crime in his twisted scheme of reality. That George Bush would reward Mr. Burns with a federal office is a telling indict of Mr. Bush's own priorities. 3. That Cedar City paid its debt caused by bad Wall Street investments by a collusion between the County Attorney (Scott Burns) and the City Attorney (Alice Burns, Scotty's wife!) to heap inordinate penalties on travelers passing through Cedar City. The routine was to file multiple charges with threats of multi-year prison terms to get their victims to pay fines when they agreed to non-contested plea bargains. So, the Burns' moral crusade against pot was an extremely profit-based crusade. Yep, it's easy to see what Bush finds so delightful about this fellow. What you won't find in your sites, Mr. Fisk, is the way Scott Burns engaged in a form of personal assassination against anyone he prosecuted. For example, the interviews he called into three newspapers make it appear that I was caught smoking pot with a male student in a hotel room. Nice overtones and subtle hints of homosexuality. What he failed to mention was that there were over 15 people of both sexes and severaal schools in the hotel room relaxing and socializing and that the substances found were not on my person. One might wonder why a prosecutor would leave that information out. BTW, it was 200 miles from WSU and not a WSU-sponsored event, as you suggested. Again, folks, don't take my word for it. Read Roy Fisk's own URLs: http://www.marijuana.org/PRmenageAtrois.htm http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread15289.shtml http://www.hempevolution.org/media/m...g/mo011205.htm Thanks for all your help, Roy Fisk! Remember, it was George Bush, your favorite President, that chose to reward an individual like Scott Burns. Yada, Yada, Yada. Spin, Spin, Spin. Yawn! And we all know, Steve, that your every word is full of meaning and there isn't anything you'd ever dare to spin, right? Come on, Steve. Be a reasonable person, instead of a constant warrior. And thanks, again, to RHF. Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nojunk" to reply) |
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Michael Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV Nope, can't *document* it, but prosecutors have been known both here and in other locales to comment on their cases. Keep waiting! I make a lengthy attempt to patiently answer all of your objections and the preceding two sentences are your response? As soon as you show me ANY prosecutor who called every newspaper in a state over a petty misdemeanor that didn't even involve an arrest, and i'll admit that I was WRONG and YOU were right. I bet I wait awhile. Show us the *evidence* that he called every newspaper 'in a state'. You are saying you were not arrested? How could you be cited for possession of marijuana, possession of drug paraphernalia and interfering with an arrest then? Semantics on your part perhaps? |
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Michael Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV Show us the *evidence* that he called every newspaper 'in a state'. There are only two major newspapers in Utah - the Deseret News (owned by the LDS Church) and the Salt Lake Tribune. Both are located 200 miles away from Cedar City. Those two and the WSU Signpost (even further north) all ran pieces citing contact from Burns. I believe all three have internet searchable archives. Their stories were essentially word-for-word the same. You are saying you were not arrested? How could you be cited for possession of marijuana, possession of drug paraphernalia and interfering with an arrest then? Semantics on your part perhaps? Nope, three charges by citation. No arrest. Yada, yada, yada... More spin on your part. Most *reasonable* people would consider you to have been *arrested*. I've never seen the inside of any jail. So? They weren't interested in spending any money to secure me, just in getting their hands on fine revenue. No, they were interested in you because you were committing a crime. No semantics. I was going to fight the charges in court, but the judge (against Burns suggestions) kept the fines low enough where it made more sense to pay them. No parole or probation. And no charges being filed against my debaters. So, try to get over it, Steve. Nothing for me to *get over* Mikey. The whole thing had nothing to do with why you got so ballistic in the first place. Ballistic? And I'vewon more in bets predicting your actions in the past few days than I had to pay in fines! ;-) Yeah sure! Another crock of s**t. Do you never, ever stop? Please feel free to prove where I'm lying about anything. Have proved it! Read the damn posts. You've been lying your ass off! Whydon't we give the newsgroup a break, Centurion? (Read: Stop picking on me, I'm such a loser) Must be a sign you're giving up. Fits your MO. So predictable! Steve Holland, MI Drake R7, R8 and R8B http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
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Michael Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV Whydon't we give the newsgroup a break, Centurion? (Read: Stop picking on me, I'm such a loser) Must be a sign you're giving up. Fits your MO. So predictable! Just want folks to see that I've attempted to stop this thread. No you didn't. You're a liar! I've not given up, just you insist on keeping it going. No, you've kept it going by posting again! LMAO! You don't have much of a life and I'll be returning to work, tomorrow. Good for you. About time you did something productive! Does this mean we can expect to see you continue to make dozens of posts where you keep responding to yourself? I've never responded to myself fat boy, I've responded to your posts! So predictable! You're like money in the bank! As are you. I bet myself that you'd respond even after saying "Whydon't we give the newsgroup a break, Centurion?". And you did! Talk about predictable! You'd probably like some money in the bank. Get your fat ass to work tomorrow and earn some! Steve Holland, MI Drake R7, R8 and R8B http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
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ojunk (Michael Bryant) wrote: From: N8KDV Show us the *evidence* that he called every newspaper 'in a state'. There are only two major newspapers in Utah - the Deseret News (owned by the LDS Church) and the Salt Lake Tribune. Both are located 200 miles away from Cedar City. Those two and the WSU Signpost (even further north) all ran pieces citing contact from Burns. I believe all three have internet searchable archives. Their stories were essentially word-for-word the same. You are saying you were not arrested? How could you be cited for possession of marijuana, possession of drug paraphernalia and interfering with an arrest then? Semantics on your part perhaps? Nope, three charges by citation. No arrest. ********************** Hallmeyer pleads guilty to drug charge Tanna Barry | editor in chief March 13, 2002 Both Hallmeyer and Bryant were arrested in connection with the incident. As part of a plea agreement, Bryant pleaded guilty on Nov. 27 to two of the three misdemeanors with which he was charged. ********************** Prosecutor: Bryant must appear to plead by Tanna Barry | editor in chief November 16, 2001 Bryant, 43, resigned from his position as a Weber State University professor and debate coach after news of the three charges spread. The charges of possession of marijuana, possession of drug paraphernalia and interfering with arrest stem from an alleged drug incident on Oct. 6 while the debate team was competing in a tournament in Cedar City. ************************** The Signpost names top 10 stories of year May 01, 2002 Top Ten News Stories 4. Michael Bryant, former WSU professor and debate coach, and Nathan Hallmeyer were arrested in connection with drug charges while on a debate tournament. Both pleaded guilty to the charges relating to the Nov. 27 incident. *************************** Note that the word arrest was used in all articles. Mike made the top ten. I've never seen the inside of any jail. They weren't interested in spending any money to secure me, just in getting their hands on fine revenue. No semantics. I was going to fight the charges in court, but the judge (against Burns suggestions) kept the fines low enough where it made more sense to pay them. No parole or probation. And no charges being filed against my debaters. So, try to get over it, Steve. The whole thing had nothing to do with why you got so ballistic in the first place. And I'vewon more in bets predicting your actions in the past few days than I had to pay in fines! ;-) Please feel free to prove where I'm lying about anything. Whydon't we give the newsgroup a break, Centurion? -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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You are saying you were not arrested?
********************** Both Hallmeyer and Bryant were arrested in connection with the incident. As part of a plea agreement, Bryan *************rest snipped************* Enough said. Case closed.:-D |
MWB,
I Don't Think that this Current Thread is 'A Window into RHF'; as much as You have made it A-Mirror-Unto-Yourself - "MWB" ! ~ RHF .. .. = = = ojunk (Michael Bryant) = = = wrote in message ... If you read the news story that was printed in the WSU Sign Post online News Paper. The 'arrest' came about during a WSU sponsored event: MWB was on the Job at a Student Event. Had MWB simply been 'doing-his-thing' at home alone or with friends; most likely there would have been "No Problem". BUT - The underlying issue for MWB's arrest and prosecution may really have been a WSU 'official' [MWB] acting as a corrupting influence on the "Young Students". At that time the Good People of Utah, take a dim view of Adults who have been a bad example for there youth. about: The former Iron County District Attorney "Scott Burns" became Federal Assistant Drug Czar in the Bush Adminstartion. http://www.marijuana.org/PRmenageAtrois.htm "Scott Burns" Deputy Director for State and Local Affairs at the White House Office of Drug Control Policy. http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread15289.shtml "Iron County District Attorney SCOTT BURNS has won reelection in rural southern Utah four times by not prosecuting anyone under the State's anti-polygamy laws and instead focusing the resources of his office on marijuana users. His zeal in prosecuting marijuana cases has earned him President George W. Bush's nomination to be Deputy Director for State and Local Affairs in the Office of National Drug Control Policy." http://www.hempevolution.org/media/m...g/mo011205.htm jm2cw ~ RHF Thank you, Fisk. First, thanks for proving that I was dealing with a prosecutor who had his sights on a higher office. BTW, have you ever heard of prosecutor making such statements to the press in a case involving misdemeanor marijuana before the case even went to trial? Second, thanks for proving my point that I was dealing with a prosecutor with misguided priorities. Even though Iron County has some of the highest rates of polygamy (hardly a victimless crime, particularly with frequent case of forced juvenile marriages) and methamphetamine abuse, here was a prosecutor that made a career of trying to send college student caught with miniscule amounts of marijuana to prison. It tells you a lot about the inhabitants of that area that they would four times relect an official with such misguided priorities. The fact the Your Pesident thought such misguided priorites ere cause for federal appointment says a lot about Bush, too. What I would like anyone still following this foolishness to do is read the rest of your web sites instead of the snippet you chose to edit out. When they do so they'll find out about: 1. Mr Burns' twice-failed attempt at statewide election to the Utah office of State Attorney General. Verifying, of course, what N8KDV said I was lying about. 2. The atrocious crimes perpetuated by polygamy upon juvenile females. Mr. Burns ran for office bragging about having never prosecuted a single polygamist married to an underage female. Obviously, a quarter ounce of marijuana was a far more serious crime in his twisted scheme of reality. That George Bush would reward Mr. Burns with a federal office is a telling indict of Mr. Bush's own priorities. 3. That Cedar City paid its debt caused by bad Wall Street investments by a collusion between the County Attorney (Scott Burns) and the City Attorney (Alice Burns, Scotty's wife!) to heap inordinate penalties on travelers passing through Cedar City. The routine was to file multiple charges with threats of multi-year prison terms to get their victims to pay fines when they agreed to non-contested plea bargains. So, the Burns' moral crusade against pot was an extremely profit-based crusade. Yep, it's easy to see what Bush finds so delightful about this fellow. What you won't find in your sites, Mr. Fisk, is the way Scott Burns engaged in a form of personal assassination against anyone he prosecuted. For example, the interviews he called into three newspapers make it appear that I was caught smoking pot with a male student in a hotel room. Nice overtones and subtle hints of homosexuality. What he failed to mention was that there were over 15 people of both sexes and severaal schools in the hotel room relaxing and socializing and that the substances found were not on my person. One might wonder why a prosecutor would leave that information out. BTW, it was 200 miles from WSU and not a WSU-sponsored event, as you suggested. Again, folks, don't take my word for it. Read Roy Fisk's own URLs: http://www.marijuana.org/PRmenageAtrois.htm http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread15289.shtml http://www.hempevolution.org/media/m...g/mo011205.htm Thanks for all your help, Roy Fisk! Remember, it was George Bush, your favorite President, that chose to reward an individual like Scott Burns. |
MWB,
" * * * * * Hallmeyer pleads guilty to drug charge Tanna Barry | editor in chief March 13, 2002 Both Hallmeyer and Bryant were arrested in connection with the incident. As part of a plea agreement, Bryant pleaded guilty on Nov. 27 to two of the three misdemeanors with which he was charged. * * * * * Prosecutor: Bryant must appear to plead by Tanna Barry | editor in chief November 16, 2001 Bryant, 43, resigned from his position as a Weber State University professor and debate coach after news of the three charges spread. The charges of possession of marijuana, possession of drug paraphernalia and interfering with arrest stem from an alleged drug incident on Oct. 6 while the debate team was competing in a tournament in Cedar City. * * * * * " ? MWB ? QUESTIONS ? 1. WHO IS HALLMEYER ? 1.A. Was Hallmeyer a Teacher/Instructor ? = = = Simply Answer: Yes -or- No - MWB. 1.B. Was Hallmeyer a Student ? = = = Simply Answer: Yes -or- No - MWB. 2. Were you in-fact a employed as "Professor" at Weber State University at the time of this 'Alledged Drug Incident'. = = = Simply Answer: Yes -or- No - MWB. 3. Were you in-fact a "Serving" as the "Debate Coach" of the Weber State University Debate Team [Students] at the time of this 'Alledged Drug Incident'? = = = Simply Answer: Yes -or- No - MWB. 4. Was the Weber State University Debate Team in-fact completing in Tournament in Cedar City at the time of this 'Alledged Drug Incident'? = = = Simply Answer: Yes -or- No - MWB. 5. Did you in-fact Make and Appearance in Court ? = = = Simply Answer: Yes -or- No - MWB. 6. Did you in-fact Enter a Plea ? = = = Simply Answer: Yes -or- No - MWB. 7. Did you in-fact Pay a Fine(s) ? = = = Simply Answer: Yes -or- No - MWB. Just the Facts MWB - Simply Answer: Yes -or- No - MWB. ir... ~ RHF = = = I Remain... RHF. .. .. = = = Telamon = = = wrote in message ... In article , ojunk (Michael Bryant) wrote: From: N8KDV Show us the *evidence* that he called every newspaper 'in a state'. There are only two major newspapers in Utah - the Deseret News (owned by the LDS Church) and the Salt Lake Tribune. Both are located 200 miles away from Cedar City. Those two and the WSU Signpost (even further north) all ran pieces citing contact from Burns. I believe all three have internet searchable archives. Their stories were essentially word-for-word the same. You are saying you were not arrested? How could you be cited for possession of marijuana, possession of drug paraphernalia and interfering with an arrest then? Semantics on your part perhaps? Nope, three charges by citation. No arrest. ********************** Hallmeyer pleads guilty to drug charge Tanna Barry | editor in chief March 13, 2002 Both Hallmeyer and Bryant were arrested in connection with the incident. As part of a plea agreement, Bryant pleaded guilty on Nov. 27 to two of the three misdemeanors with which he was charged. ********************** Prosecutor: Bryant must appear to plead by Tanna Barry | editor in chief November 16, 2001 Bryant, 43, resigned from his position as a Weber State University professor and debate coach after news of the three charges spread. The charges of possession of marijuana, possession of drug paraphernalia and interfering with arrest stem from an alleged drug incident on Oct. 6 while the debate team was competing in a tournament in Cedar City. ************************** The Signpost names top 10 stories of year May 01, 2002 Top Ten News Stories 4. Michael Bryant, former WSU professor and debate coach, and Nathan Hallmeyer were arrested in connection with drug charges while on a debate tournament. Both pleaded guilty to the charges relating to the Nov. 27 incident. *************************** Note that the word arrest was used in all articles. Mike made the top ten. I've never seen the inside of any jail. They weren't interested in spending any money to secure me, just in getting their hands on fine revenue. No semantics. I was going to fight the charges in court, but the judge (against Burns suggestions) kept the fines low enough where it made more sense to pay them. No parole or probation. And no charges being filed against my debaters. So, try to get over it, Steve. The whole thing had nothing to do with why you got so ballistic in the first place. And I'vewon more in bets predicting your actions in the past few days than I had to pay in fines! ;-) Please feel free to prove where I'm lying about anything. Whydon't we give the newsgroup a break, Centurion? |
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Michael Bryant wrote: From: (Dxluver) You are saying you were not arrested? Nope I wasn't arrested. Given a paper citation. The WSU Signpost was a student-run Newspaper that didn't do a very good job of checking their facts. Perhaps someone should call the authorities in Utah to see whether they would consider you to have been arrested? But the important question is now that Steve and I seem to be deaccelerating why are you good Christians trying your best to keep the flames going? You never had to *accelerate* at all Bryant! All you had to do was comply with my *reasonable and lawful request* to stop sending me emails, and indicate to me that you would comply with that request! It was just that simple! Why do you now choose to bring *religion* into the matter? Is that a *debate* tactic? Steve Holland, MI Drake R7, R8 and R8B http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
hello mwb, Hello Mwb. HELLO MWB !
You Post a Message with My Name "RHF" in the Subject Line and you Act Upset that I Reply. Once Again... H E L L O ! My Daddy used to tell me that Son; Your Mother and I can't be with You Always; So the Only Advice I have for You is this simple Question to Ask Yourself: "Am I Doing Right By My Self ?" MWB - You Are Still In Denial - You are Still Blaming others for what happen to you. Instead of Taking Personal Responsibility for you own actions. [Those Evil Republican Code Words.] The Result is that your are still living (stuck-in) the past. {Emotionally Tied to the Past.} What you do not seem to be able to see MWB is that here is "Your Side of the Story" and "There are the Material Facts" that resulted in your having to Pay a Fine for your Personal Activities. MWB - IF you can simply view this as: I got a Traffic Ticket for XYZ; Paid My Fine and Now Its Time To "Move-On". You would be a lot better off in your current life. You are simply Mentally Handicapping Yourself by your current way of Thinking and dwelling on this past event. Yes, inspite of your de-criminalized past there is still room in that Great Tent of Americana for you MWB. I Am Not Being Morally Superior MWB. But you seem to think that any one who disagrees with you or has a different view point then you is acting uppity or disrespecting you by not agreeing with you. Be "YOU" MWB -and- I Will Remain "ME" [RHF] * But when it comes to the Law there are Questions and the Answers a Yes -or- No [.] * When It comes to the Law there are No Rights or Wrongs: There are simply Material Facts from which to Draw a Conclusion. * The Criminal Justice $ystem has less to do with Crime and Justice and more to do with the Nature of the $ystem: Yes - I Do Spell the Word "$ystem" with a Dollar Sign [.] ir... ~ RHF = = = I Remain... RHF. .. .. = = = ojunk (Michael Bryant) = = = wrote in message ... From: (Dxluver) You are saying you were not arrested? Nope I wasn't arrested. Given a paper citation. The WSU Signpost was a student-run Newspaper that didn't do a very good job of checking their facts. But the important question is now that Steve and I seem to be deaccelerating why are you good Christians trying your best to keep the flames going? Look this has been discussed repeatedly multiple times. Thanks, RHF, ffor your URLs I think they showed most people exactly what I was saying. RHF, you once told me that you weren't into being morally superior and that your "tent" was big enough for everyone. Live up to your words. DXLuver, why don't you go back to waiting for the Soviet Union to re-form and lead us into armageddon. |
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I thought I had lost all respect for Bryant when he began constantly
resorting to rudeness, insults, and name-calling to defend his liberal views (and called it debate). Amazingly, he has managed to even lower THAT opinion. If anything good has come from this, it is that most universities will not want him as part of their faculty, thus minimizing his influence with young people. -- Stinger "RHF" wrote in message om... hello mwb, Hello Mwb. HELLO MWB ! You Post a Message with My Name "RHF" in the Subject Line and you Act Upset that I Reply. Once Again... H E L L O ! My Daddy used to tell me that Son; Your Mother and I can't be with You Always; So the Only Advice I have for You is this simple Question to Ask Yourself: "Am I Doing Right By My Self ?" MWB - You Are Still In Denial - You are Still Blaming others for what happen to you. Instead of Taking Personal Responsibility for you own actions. [Those Evil Republican Code Words.] The Result is that your are still living (stuck-in) the past. {Emotionally Tied to the Past.} What you do not seem to be able to see MWB is that here is "Your Side of the Story" and "There are the Material Facts" that resulted in your having to Pay a Fine for your Personal Activities. MWB - IF you can simply view this as: I got a Traffic Ticket for XYZ; Paid My Fine and Now Its Time To "Move-On". You would be a lot better off in your current life. You are simply Mentally Handicapping Yourself by your current way of Thinking and dwelling on this past event. Yes, inspite of your de-criminalized past there is still room in that Great Tent of Americana for you MWB. I Am Not Being Morally Superior MWB. But you seem to think that any one who disagrees with you or has a different view point then you is acting uppity or disrespecting you by not agreeing with you. Be "YOU" MWB -and- I Will Remain "ME" [RHF] * But when it comes to the Law there are Questions and the Answers a Yes -or- No [.] * When It comes to the Law there are No Rights or Wrongs: There are simply Material Facts from which to Draw a Conclusion. * The Criminal Justice $ystem has less to do with Crime and Justice and more to do with the Nature of the $ystem: Yes - I Do Spell the Word "$ystem" with a Dollar Sign [.] ir... ~ RHF = = = I Remain... RHF. . . = = = ojunk (Michael Bryant) = = = wrote in message ... From: (Dxluver) You are saying you were not arrested? Nope I wasn't arrested. Given a paper citation. The WSU Signpost was a student-run Newspaper that didn't do a very good job of checking their facts. But the important question is now that Steve and I seem to be deaccelerating why are you good Christians trying your best to keep the flames going? Look this has been discussed repeatedly multiple times. Thanks, RHF, ffor your URLs I think they showed most people exactly what I was saying. RHF, you once told me that you weren't into being morally superior and that your "tent" was big enough for everyone. Live up to your words. DXLuver, why don't you go back to waiting for the Soviet Union to re-form and lead us into armageddon. |
MWB - You Would Honor Me With A "PLONK" ~ RHF
{ And Please NO More Posting To My Private eMail Box. } .. .. = = = ojunk (Michael Bryant) = = = wrote in message ... From: (RHF) MWB - IF you can simply view this as: I got a Traffic Ticket for XYZ; Paid My Fine and Now Its Time To "Move-On". You would be a lot better off in your current life. Look, old man, that is exactly my view. But people like you and N8KDV trot it as argument fodder when you can't keep up in an argument. You are the one that appears to be fixated on it. Stop. I don't want or need your spin. In terms of Christianity, I consider you a hypocrite. You want to talk love and inclusiveness while sitting yourself up as the judge, arbitor, and wise old sage. Baloney. You're just an opionated old man. An one that can't spell or use grammar very effectively. Look at what you wrote! I have no expectations of perfect grammar or spelling but reading your posts takes real effort. In conclusion, I'm not the one dwelling on my past. You and N8KDV do that for me. And no amount of spin can change. And I'll let you in on another secret: YOU have no idea what took place in my past. I'm not ashamed of what I did. I'd do it again, though I'm sure you'll misinterpret that to fit your homespun homilies. Waiting for Ozarow to chastise me for not using proper British spelling. I don't want to plonk you but you seem committed to making me consider that option. Please just go away. Bryant .. |
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Waiting for Ozarow to chastise me for not using proper British spelling. Bryant, I chimed in on that other thread about your spelling and grammar because you were being a bit arrogant and I thought it was funny that you did it in a non-literate sentence. For what it's worth, in this thread which seems to have started over a lot of bull**** piling on about your past (I'm not even sure, I can't even read most of the crap in the thread), I'm on your side - it is totally assholish and hypocritical to bring any of that stuff up. There are a lot of things you say that I don't like, and I certainly don't like the way you say it, but all the stuff these guys are writing about what happened back then is beneath contempt. Oz |
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N8KDV wrote: Michael Bryant wrote: From: (Dxluver) You are saying you were not arrested? Nope I wasn't arrested. Given a paper citation. The WSU Signpost was a student-run Newspaper that didn't do a very good job of checking their facts. You said that the news articles were near "word for word" identical in all three papers. That would make all three sources equally wrong. Perhaps someone should call the authorities in Utah to see whether they would consider you to have been arrested? But the important question is now that Steve and I seem to be deaccelerating why are you good Christians trying your best to keep the flames going? You never had to *accelerate* at all Bryant! All you had to do was comply with my *reasonable and lawful request* to stop sending me emails, and indicate to me that you would comply with that request! It was just that simple! Why do you now choose to bring *religion* into the matter? Is that a *debate* tactic? Steve Holland, MI Drake R7, R8 and R8B http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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Larry Ozarow wrote: On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 20:39:09 +0000, Michael Bryant wrote: Waiting for Ozarow to chastise me for not using proper British spelling. Bryant, I chimed in on that other thread about your spelling and grammar because you were being a bit arrogant and I thought it was funny that you did it in a non-literate sentence. For what it's worth, in this thread which seems to have started over a lot of bull**** piling on about your past (I'm not even sure, I can't even read most of the crap in the thread), I'm on your side - it is totally assholish and hypocritical to bring any of that stuff up. There are a lot of things you say that I don't like, and I certainly don't like the way you say it, but all the stuff these guys are writing about what happened back then is beneath contempt. I'm on Mikešs side too. Let's start a fan club. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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MWB - You Would Honor Me With A "PLONK" ~ RHF
{ And Please NO More Posting To My Private eMail Box. } Then stop responding to my posts with your eye poetry. And no one can post to your current address, right? Another "staged" complaint. No plonk for you, RHF. Thanks for helping me understand the hidden objective behind your verbal spewing. |
Michael Bryant wrote: MWB - You Would Honor Me With A "PLONK" ~ RHF { And Please NO More Posting To My Private eMail Box. } Then stop responding to my posts with your eye poetry. And no one can post to your current address, right? Another "staged" complaint. Well Bryant, YOU can't post to his address if he makes a request that you do not do so. We've been down this road already have we not? Steve Holland, MI Drake R7, R8 and R8B http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
MWB - To Paraphase You:
"Aren't I lucky to receive your grammar lesson? Never claimed to have perfect grammar. But you failed to respond to my observation that my grammar and spelling are good enough to convey what I mean or that the people I was responding to were using far less correct grammar and spelling. And we all know that "MWB" never displays a superior or arrogant tone, right? "Yes MWB" is never superior and never uses imprfect grammar, right? And receiving your little lesson, as you called us a "imprfect," 'IS' particularly humorous. Just For The Fun Of It ~ RHF [ No Malice -or- Forethought :] .. .. = = = ojunk (Michael Bryant) = = = wrote in message ... MWB - You Would Honor Me With A "PLONK" ~ RHF { And Please NO More Posting To My Private eMail Box. } Then stop responding to my posts with your eye poetry. And no one can post to your current address, right? Another "staged" complaint. No plonk for you, RHF. Thanks for helping me understand the hidden objective behind your verbal spewing. .. |
Michael Bryant wrote: From: "Stinger" I thought I had lost all respect for Bryant when he began constantly resorting to rudeness, insults, and name-calling to defend his liberal views (and called it debate). I have called anything that transpires in this NG "debate." Amazingly, he has managed to even lower THAT opinion. Given the politcal expressions emanating from you, I am delighted to be held in low opinion by you! If anything good has come from this, it is that most universities will not want him as part of their faculty, thus minimizing his influence with young people. Too late. But you don't have to worry. It's easy to figure out that you'll never see the inside of a university.... ;-) Another overly broad ridiculous statement on your part Bryant. What makes you so sure he'll "never see the inside of a university"? Will you next tell us that you are clairvoyant? Steve Holland, MI Drake R7, R8 and R8B "I swear by, not at, Drake receivers" Š http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
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Michael Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV Then stop responding to my posts with your eye poetry. And no one can post to your current address, right? Another "staged" complaint. Well Bryant, YOU can't post to his address if he makes a request that you do not do so. Duh, Steve. Why don't you try responding to his address and see what happens. Even if he invited you to respond, you couldn't. Was he not receiving email from you? Steve Holland, MI Drake R7, R8 and R8B |
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Why'nt you guys move in together.
- Start up a Shortwave shop. Heck, you can even Arrange DXpeditions "Felix & Oscars Stange trips." Just move in together, dump your wives & girlfreinds & date The Pigeon Sisters... Then you could stop shouting out the window at each other SHEESH!!! Subject: A Window into RHF From: N8KDV Date: 2/10/2004 5:37 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Michael Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV Will you next tell us that you are clairvoyant? There are plenty of predictions that are possible without any need to resort to clairvoyance. Your actions, for example. OK Einstein. ;-) |
Chandler7600 wrote: Why'nt you guys move in together. - Start up a Shortwave shop. Heck, you can even Arrange DXpeditions "Felix & Oscars Stange trips." I've been on my share of DXpeditions... my DXing career is far beyond that now... at least as far as country counts go. Only about 2 that I've not heard, and are still on the air. Good luck to you though. Steve Holland, MI Drake R7, R8 and R8B http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
Bryant, 43, resigned from his position as a Weber State University
professor and debate coach after news of the three charges spread. The charges of possession of marijuana, possession of drug paraphernalia and interfering with arrest stem from an alleged drug incident on Oct. 6 while the debate team was competing in a tournament in Cedar City. Big freakin' deal. So he smokes dope. Y'all like your shots of rye? whiskey? or is it beer? Maybe you don't commit any of those 'sins' but heaven forbid! They forgot to relegalize marijuana when they ended prohibition. There are much bigger problems in the world. By the way, I work for a large multinational company and make good money. And yes, I smoke canabis socially. Big freakin' deal. Marc Ottawa, Canada |
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