On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:34:17 -0600, wrote:

So is there some good programming available to listen to on shortwave?

No. As you have noticed, there are many assholes here who aren't
interested in answering your question. Don't waste your money on
shortwave. There isn't much to hear.

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:09:11 -0600, wrote:

So should I start with this SW radio? Even if Im not really wanting
it for backpacking but home use?

No don't waste your time with SW. As another poster said, local AM/FM
will provide many more hours of entertainment and without all the
static fading and noise.

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:43:40 -0800, tommyknocker
wrote:

After a while you notice
that the preaching and conspiracy theorizing found on domestic SW has a
monotonal quality to it, like an interminable session with the worst
professor you had in college.

Yet we still get assholes in here having wet dreams about some of the
pastors. They hand on every word and come here repeating the religious
rants while pretending not to be in love with the pastor.

You do if you have a real radio.

"Altawaowr" wrote in message
...
Here on the west coast of the
US, you don't hear cool things like the Voice of Turkey or Radio Cairo

And another idiot hits the bottom of the can with that distinctive and
satisfying sound of PLONK.

"me" wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:56:10 -0600, wrote:



No, actually it is pretty much crap. Mostly news and stupid culture
type programs. Very boring.

CW,

"You do if you have a real radio."

Having a 'real' Shortwave Radio is Good - Buy Lets Not Forget...

"The Shortwave Antenna is 55.5% of the Radio/Receiver
and Antenna/Ground Reception Equation"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SWL-AM...na/message/288
A REAL Shortwave Antenna is "Equally" Important for Good Reception [.]


All are WELCOME at the "Antenna Ashram"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SWL-AM...na/message/502
Shortwave Listener (SWL) and AM & FM Antenna eGroup on YAHOO !


iane ~ RHF
..
Some Say: On A Clear Day You Can See Forever.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SWL-AM...na/message/502
I BELIEVE: On A Clear Night...
You Can Hear Forever and beyond the Beyond !
..
..
= = = "CW"
= = = wrote in message ...

You do if you have a real radio.

"Altawaowr" wrote in message
...

Here on the west coast of the
US, you don't hear cool things like
the Voice of Turkey or Radio Cairo

..

A good radio is worthless without a good antenna but a crap radio attached
to a great antenna is still a crap radio. The antenna is likely to make it
worse as the radio will not have the dynamic range or rejection to avoid
overloading. Works great if you want to listen to all stations at the same
time. Don't even have to worry about the tuning knob.

"RHF" wrote in message
m...
CW,

"You do if you have a real radio."

Having a 'real' Shortwave Radio is Good - Buy Lets Not Forget...

"The Shortwave Antenna is 55.5% of the Radio/Receiver
and Antenna/Ground Reception Equation"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SWL-AM...na/message/288
A REAL Shortwave Antenna is "Equally" Important for Good Reception [.]


All are WELCOME at the "Antenna Ashram"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SWL-AM...na/message/502
Shortwave Listener (SWL) and AM & FM Antenna eGroup on YAHOO !


iane ~ RHF
.
Some Say: On A Clear Day You Can See Forever.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SWL-AM...na/message/502
I BELIEVE: On A Clear Night...
You Can Hear Forever and beyond the Beyond !
.
.
= = = "CW"
= = = wrote in message ...

You do if you have a real radio.

"Altawaowr" wrote in message
...

Here on the west coast of the
US, you don't hear cool things like
the Voice of Turkey or Radio Cairo

.

"tommyknocker" wrote in message
...
Frank Dresser wrote:



I know that I have to sit in front of my reciever to hear the news
clearly, and I've got a Yaesu.

Try headphones. you will be amazed how much more you understand.


. A couple are mildly interesting, such as Alex
Jones,


Jones is boring. Every show is so predictable. It all revolves around his
primary belief that no one in the government ever has or ever will do
anything that was not designed to screw the American people.

Diverd4777 wrote:

In article ,
(RHF) writes:


DiverD,

That's what I have Three (3) TV Antennas 'Stacked' on One Pole:
[ Over-the-Air FREE TV ]

# 1 = Bottom @ SF Sutro Tower (255*)
RadioShack VU-75 Antenna Mounted at 22 Feet
[ 18 Element Antenna - 50" Boom Length ]

# 2 = Middle @ San Jose (145*)
RadioShack VU-90 Antenna Mounted at 29 Feet
[ 32 Element Antenna - 80" Boom Length ]

# 3 = Top @ Sacramento (45* Plus 5* Tilt )
RadioShack VU-120 Antenna Mounted at 36 Feet
[ 37 Element Antenna - 120" Boom Length ]


CHANNELS - CALL SIGNS (NETWORK) Other Language:

2 - KTVU (FOX)
* 3 - KCRA (NBC)
4 - KRON (IND)
5 - KPIX (CBS)
* 6 - KVIE (PBS)
7 - KGO (ABC)
* 8 - KSWB (NBC)

Oops-that's "KSBW".

9 - KQED (PBS)
* 10 - KXTV (ABC)
11 - KNTV (NBC)
* 13 - KVOR (CBS)

Oops-that's "KOVR".

14 - KDTV (UniVision) Spanish
20 - KBWB (WB)
26 - KTSF (IND)
32 - KMPT (DW-TV) English & German
36 - KICU (IND)
38 - KCNS (SAH)
44 - KBHK (UPN)
48 - KSTS (Tela Mundo /NBC) Spanish
* 50 - KFTY (IND)
54 - KTEH (PBS / BBC-WS)
60 - KCSM-TV (PBS / BBC-WS /IHT-TV)
65 - KKPX (PAX)
66 - KSFS (UniVision) Spanish
68 - KTLN-TV (REL) Spanish

* NOTE: "Varies"
- Weak during the Day.
- Generally Good at Night.


iane ~ RHF
.
.

Way Cool !! ;-)


RHF is just lucky to live within the signal areas of THREE markets-San
Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto, and
Salinas-Monterey. I live inland and am lucky to get channel 7 on a good
night. When I was a kid channel 36 used to be receivable inland but it's
not anymore. And every so often I could get KSBW on channel 8, but that
channel is occupied by a LPTV station in my area now (that plays yet
another home shopping channel).

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:56:10 -0600, wrote:

Is there interesting programming available via shortwave?

No, actually it is pretty much crap. Mostly news and stupid culture
type programs. Very boring.

Is my idea
sound? What good receivers are worth looking at?

No. Stick with cable tv.

It helps when you say something like [sarcasm mode: ON] or
[OFF] in your posts, so people know you're not serious...

FW

CW wrote:


"tommyknocker" wrote in message
...
Frank Dresser wrote:



I know that I have to sit in front of my reciever to hear the news
clearly, and I've got a Yaesu.

Try headphones. you will be amazed how much more you understand.

Every so often a "classic" pair of headphones (not the "ear bud" things
but the big, enclosed type) comes up for sale at a local thrift store.
Next time I see a pair I'll grab them.


. A couple are mildly interesting, such as Alex
Jones,


Jones is boring. Every show is so predictable. It all revolves around his
primary belief that no one in the government ever has or ever will do
anything that was not designed to screw the American people.

Yeah, but most of the rest is worse. A lot of domestic SW is at the Hal
Turner level of smarts.

"tommyknocker" wrote in message
...
CW wrote:


"tommyknocker" wrote in message
...
Frank Dresser wrote:



I know that I have to sit in front of my reciever to hear the news
clearly, and I've got a Yaesu.

Try headphones. you will be amazed how much more you understand.

Every so often a "classic" pair of headphones (not the "ear bud"
things
but the big, enclosed type) comes up for sale at a local thrift store.
Next time I see a pair I'll grab them.


. A couple are mildly interesting, such as Alex
Jones,


Jones is boring. Every show is so predictable. It all revolves
around his
primary belief that no one in the government ever has or ever will
do
anything that was not designed to screw the American people.

Yeah, but most of the rest is worse. A lot of domestic SW is at the
Hal
Turner level of smarts.


Well, I'll say international shortwave was better years ago. Back in
the days when they had the radio hobby related programs.

I won't say domestic SW is boring, but I will say it's a matter of
taste. And knowing the backround of some conspiracy theories,
especially the Unified Conspiracy therory, makes it more interesting.

Frank Dresser

Frank Dresser wrote:


"tommyknocker" wrote in message
...
CW wrote:


"tommyknocker" wrote in message
...
Frank Dresser wrote:



I know that I have to sit in front of my reciever to hear the news
clearly, and I've got a Yaesu.

Try headphones. you will be amazed how much more you understand.

Every so often a "classic" pair of headphones (not the "ear bud"
things
but the big, enclosed type) comes up for sale at a local thrift store.
Next time I see a pair I'll grab them.


. A couple are mildly interesting, such as Alex
Jones,


Jones is boring. Every show is so predictable. It all revolves
around his
primary belief that no one in the government ever has or ever will
do
anything that was not designed to screw the American people.

Yeah, but most of the rest is worse. A lot of domestic SW is at the
Hal
Turner level of smarts.


Well, I'll say international shortwave was better years ago. Back in
the days when they had the radio hobby related programs.

That's true, but most of today's SW listeners aren't hams (unlike back
then) and wouldn't appreciate that content.

I won't say domestic SW is boring, but I will say it's a matter of
taste. And knowing the backround of some conspiracy theories,
especially the Unified Conspiracy therory, makes it more interesting.

My favorite is David Icke. No other major conspiracy theorist has the
"the ruling class are shapeshifting extraterrestrials" idea. Most
conspiracists just repeat each other, which is why everybody on WWCR
sounds the same. Icke has come up with new stuff, which takes a certain
level of smarts and guts.


Frank Dresser

"tommyknocker" wrote in message
...

My favorite is David Icke. No other major conspiracy theorist has the
"the ruling class are shapeshifting extraterrestrials" idea. Most
conspiracists just repeat each other, which is why everybody on WWCR
sounds the same. Icke has come up with new stuff, which takes a
certain
level of smarts and guts.


Alex Jones dances around that one. He's said "George Bush has pointy
green eeeeeaaars. Didja ever notice that? I saw them on TV. I swear I
saw pointy greeeeeen eeeaaars."

Alex swings between being a rational sort of populist libertarian and
the king of kooks.

Anyway, I don't think the idea of shape shifting extraterrestrials is
totally David Icke's. The idea that the aliens are demons controlled by
Satan is very old. I don't know where the idea that the aliens are the
result of mixing genetic material from humans, reptiles and insects by
the people of Atlantis, but I don't think David Icke puts in those
terms.

It goes against human nature for a large conspiracy to hang together.
If all the large conspiracies are hanging together, it stands to reason
that the conspirators are something other than human. Aliens, demons,
humans under Satan's control. It's all the same basic idea.

And that's the subtext uniting Alex Jones, the Jerimiah 33-3 guy, James
Lloyd, Pastor David J. Smith, Texe Marrs and a few others. Although any
of them will disagree with the others on the exact details of the
conspiracy.

Frank Dresser