Degen 1102 arrived today!!!!!
 

Quick first impressions about my new Degen 1102.

It arrived seven days after being airmailed from Hong Kong. Seller was Lipyn
through eBay. Perfect condition. He delivered exactly as promised.

The radio arrived in a padded envelope. When I opened it, there was a small
white box on the end. Inside was a 220 to 110 converter.

The radio box was in full color and printed in Chinese. I opened the box and
there was a very well-laid-out tray containing the 220 power adapter on the
left, stereo earphones on top right, and the radio on the bottom right
wrapped in a plastic bag. I picked up the tray, and under it was a shortwave
antenna wire, a pack of three Degen brand Ni-MH 1.25V 1300mAh rechargeable
batteries, and an owners manual printed in English and Chinese. Very nicely
packaged!!!

I haven't taken time to read the manual yet. Sorry, but I'm a guy.
Instructions are for the weak-minded.

I picked up the radio, put in three AA NI-CADs and turned it on. It worked
fine, so I went outside and tested it against my DX-398.

On MW, the two were basically equal. Each one had frequencies on which it
beat the other. One thing of note, though... the Degen is extremely
directional. The DX-398 was a bit more forgiving. It's amazing that a radio
with a smaller ferrite bar can keep up with my DX-398. Of course, the 398
sounds better with more bass and everything, but that's to be expected.

On FM, again the two were comparable. Maybe the 398 won with the whip not
extended, but with the whip fully extended, there was no difference.

On SW, the Degen blew away my 398! Of course I realize that the 398 is
designed to work best with an external antenna attached. But that's not the
way I listen to a radio. In fact, most of the time, I like to keep the whip
unextended. When I fully extended both whips, the 398 came closer in
reception, but the Degen still shone.

I don't feel like writing more now. There are radio waves passing through my
house at this very moment, so I need to get my new radio turned on and tuned
in so I can find out where the waves are coming from and what they're trying
to tell me.

I love my new Degen 1102. Maybe I'll post more tomorrow when I get tired of
listening to it. Or maybe not.

"Corbin Ray" wrote...
[snip]
I love my new Degen 1102. Maybe I'll post more tomorrow when I get tired of
listening to it. Or maybe not.


Nice report Corbin.
It's a very cool radio.
I had to read the manual : )

Quick update on my 1102...

The SSB works very nicely. Of course I had to get out the manual to figure
out how to work it, but it works well.

I'm blown away by how much I'm getting on shortwave. It's like I've
discovered a new band tonight.

The speaker is really nice to listen to. It's not nearly as tinny as the
Sony 7600gr. But I thought I'd try a nice set of Koss headphones, and wow!
It sounds incredible on all bands, and FM with the bass boost is about as
good as it gets. In a comparison between my DX-398 with headphones and the
Degen with headphones, the Degen's wins hands down.

At this present time, I would put my Degen 1102 into the exact same level as
the Sangean 909, Grundig YB400, and Sony IC-SW7600GR. All have their unique
strengths and weakneses. But I was able to get my 1102 delivered to my door
for $68! So that puts the Degen in a class by itself.

"Corbin Ray" wrote in message
...
Quick update on my 1102...

The SSB works very nicely. Of course I had to get out the manual to
figure
out how to work it, but it works well.

I'm blown away by how much I'm getting on shortwave. It's like I've
discovered a new band tonight.

The speaker is really nice to listen to. It's not nearly as tinny as
the
Sony 7600gr. But I thought I'd try a nice set of Koss headphones,
and wow!
It sounds incredible on all bands, and FM with the bass boost is
about as
good as it gets. In a comparison between my DX-398 with headphones
and the
Degen with headphones, the Degen's wins hands down.

At this present time, I would put my Degen 1102 into the exact same
level as
the Sangean 909, Grundig YB400, and Sony IC-SW7600GR. All have their
unique
strengths and weakneses. But I was able to get my 1102 delivered to
my door
for $68! So that puts the Degen in a class by itself.


As something of a DX-398 buff, I have to ask where you think the
compromises are in the Degan? Or is it that rare product that really
does transcend its cost? You make it sound very interesting and my
finger has been twitching towards eBay! At that price, its SAF
(spousal acceptance factor) is a non-issue too.

I can attest to the fact that this radio is a "sleeper". You can't find
anything even close for $68.00. I can not get over the sheer number of
stations I can pull in with just the whip. This is what a portable should
be. I have owned several of the brands, and this is defintely the best
price/performance ratio I have seen. I don't even miss having a sync
detector on this radio. Yeah, its small (around the size of a Sangean 606),
so don't expect big sound but its not bad on the speaker either.


"T. Early" wrote in message
...

"Corbin Ray" wrote in message
...
Quick update on my 1102...

The SSB works very nicely. Of course I had to get out the manual to
figure
out how to work it, but it works well.

I'm blown away by how much I'm getting on shortwave. It's like I've
discovered a new band tonight.

The speaker is really nice to listen to. It's not nearly as tinny as
the
Sony 7600gr. But I thought I'd try a nice set of Koss headphones,
and wow!
It sounds incredible on all bands, and FM with the bass boost is
about as
good as it gets. In a comparison between my DX-398 with headphones
and the
Degen with headphones, the Degen's wins hands down.

At this present time, I would put my Degen 1102 into the exact same
level as
the Sangean 909, Grundig YB400, and Sony IC-SW7600GR. All have their
unique
strengths and weakneses. But I was able to get my 1102 delivered to
my door
for $68! So that puts the Degen in a class by itself.


As something of a DX-398 buff, I have to ask where you think the
compromises are in the Degan? Or is it that rare product that really
does transcend its cost? You make it sound very interesting and my
finger has been twitching towards eBay! At that price, its SAF
(spousal acceptance factor) is a non-issue too.

In article ,
T. Early wrote:

"Corbin Ray" wrote in message
...
Quick update on my 1102...

The SSB works very nicely. Of course I had to get out the manual to
figure
out how to work it, but it works well.

I'm blown away by how much I'm getting on shortwave. It's like I've
discovered a new band tonight.

The speaker is really nice to listen to. It's not nearly as tinny as
the
Sony 7600gr. But I thought I'd try a nice set of Koss headphones,
and wow!
It sounds incredible on all bands, and FM with the bass boost is
about as
good as it gets. In a comparison between my DX-398 with headphones
and the
Degen with headphones, the Degen's wins hands down.

At this present time, I would put my Degen 1102 into the exact same
level as
the Sangean 909, Grundig YB400, and Sony IC-SW7600GR. All have their
unique
strengths and weakneses. But I was able to get my 1102 delivered to
my door
for $68! So that puts the Degen in a class by itself.


As something of a DX-398 buff, I have to ask where you think the
compromises are in the Degan? Or is it that rare product that really
does transcend its cost? You make it sound very interesting and my
finger has been twitching towards eBay! At that price, its SAF
(spousal acceptance factor) is a non-issue too.


I live in northern NJ, close to a lot of MW transmitter sites. A few MW
stations bleed 100 or more KHz above their nominal frequencies. It looks
like the front end is getting overloaded in the same way that people have
described SW overload when using an external antenna. I have only two
other radios that exhibit this phenomenon so strongly: the Degen DE105,
and a Kaiwa KA-818 ... both "cheap" portables. Several other radios I own
- Grundig, Sangean, Sony, etc - do not have this problem around here.
On stations that do not suffer this kind of bleed-through, adjcent-channel
selectivity is excellent; thanks to decent bandpass filters and dual
conversion design (though I wonder if that applies to MW, despite the
blurb on the box).

I suspect one of the design compromises is in the usual trade-off with
portables: sensitivity vs. dynamic range. The DE-1102's sensitivity is
remarkable. Just tonight I happened to hit the power button while the
radio was sitting in the box, antenna completely collapsed and retracted.
It was tuned to 5975 KHz, and I was able to clearly copy BBC .. noisy, but
perfectly readable. The price is for this is increased susceptibility to
overload.

You don't get something for nothing! The 1102 is a remarkable performer
for the price; especially if you get a Degen version from China. (I think
I read in one review that the factory price comes to about US $34). But there
are some aspects of its performance, under difficult conditions, that a
"better" receiver may do better with. My two cents'worth.

Since this is newer than the three units he compared it with could it be
that the difference is in circuit integration? He mentioned it weighing
less also. Combining more IC's might make it a bit lighter and perhaps
more battery efficient as well.

Newer, thinner IC technology; i.e. micron thickness?

Concerning cost -- Could it be that cheap SLAVE LABOR?

Just a few possibilities.

Al

========

T. Early wrote:

As something of a DX-398 buff, I have to ask where you think the
compromises are in the Degan? Or is it that rare product that really
does transcend its cost? You make it sound very interesting and my
finger has been twitching towards eBay! At that price, its SAF
(spousal acceptance factor) is a non-issue too.

On SW, the Degen blew away my 398!

Ahhhhhhh, now I know why you jumped in my Moriccan post.....lol. I'm sure you
love your Degen, but id you 'think' it 'blows away' the 398 then you are in
the "I just got a new toy stage." sheesh

Yep,pitch out my 398 and Hammars and JRC and go grab that Degen, sarcasm
hopefully noted

Sorry (but not a lot) I read this a lot when someone gets a new radio and
someone that 100 out of a 100 would say is a better receiver than the new toy
and he's posting that he's hearing on his 'whip' what a superior radio on 600
ft. of wire is hearing also.

Pitch em' all out I say and RUN and get that Degen (which I'm sure is an OK
radio) but come on. You're not gonna hear clandestines on, oh heck, you
probably will also and really stcik it to us. ;-)

I'm glad your enjoying your new 'radio.'

On MW, the two were basically equal. Each one had frequencies on which it
beat the other.

then they weren't 'basically' equal.

It's amazing that a radio
with a smaller ferrite bar can keep up with my DX-398.

It sure is, isn't it. ;-)

Of course, the 398
sounds better with more bass and everything, but that's to be expected.

But of course. You sure though?

On FM, again the two were comparable.

Maybe the 398 won with the whip not
extended, but with the whip fully extended, there was no differenc

You think. :-)



On SW, the Degen blew away my 398!

Oh quit it Corbin....lol...why don't you start a yahoo group on your new piece
and see how many join. I'm sorry, this one is the hardest for me to believe.
Anyone else? Is this even 'remotely' possible. I've got a log book my friend
has just from my DX398 that hasn't even been modded yet (it will be) just so he
can see if he can catch the same stations and countries as I have)....I know I
live out in an RF free environment but still. I need another coffee now. ;-)

Of course I realize that the 398 is
designed to work best with an external antenna attached.

well then. :-) Which I have, two of the



In fact, most of the time, I like to keep the whip
unextended.

Do you mean 'extended' maybe? Just curious. Unextended for listening to what?

When I fully extended both whips, the 398 came closer in
reception, but the Degen still shone.

Meaning? What? The Degen *you* just bought slammed the DX398? Huh?

I love my new Degen 1102.

I can tell :-)

Maybe I'll post more tomorrow when I get tired of
listening to it. Or maybe not.

I'll be anxiously awaiting (seriously.) I'm tempted to borrow my friends that
I talked into buying one and sitting it next to MY DX398 and Hammarlunds and
RCA Victors and GE P-780 and see what the results are. Or on AM sit it next to
my GE P-780 and see what the results are. That'd be a barn burner I'm sure.

Sorry Corbin (I don't know if you're new or not) your post just *kind* of
rubbed me the wrong way.....soory if I made you upset. Heck I may just go out
and buy one of the radios myself and see what they're all about. That IS what
this hobby is for. But I don't have much room for it and my 'needs' (radio
wise) are taken. Until I get the Hammarlund 180 or an SP600 model, I might
hold tight.

Happy Dxing with your new radio, sounds like your enjoying it.

I'm still enjoying my new little friend.

You have to understand what I am about. I was born in 1958 here in Kentucky.
I grew up listening to local radio until 1972 when a friend introduced me to
nighttime radio (WLS, WOWO, WCFL, WAKY, WLAC...) and my whole world changed.
The radio became a magical place where I could get away from the doldrums of
the boring stuff around me and escape to wherever those magical voices were.
I imagined myself being in everyone of those places. Our internet today was
like my radio then, but my radio had better pictures. Of course, my first
job was as a DJ at a local station. I worked in radio many years, eventually
managing a group of top-rated stations. I'm now out of the radio business,
but I can never get radio out of me. When I go to bed at night, I cuddle
with my radio (my wife cuddles with a TV, but that's another story). And if
conditions permit, I tune my radio around the AM band just like I did 30
years ago. To me, the perfect radio has nothing sticking out of it. I have
owned expensive desktop radios, but they have to be plugged into the wall
and to a bunch of antennas. I even had a computer-controlled radio. That was
even worse. Listening to radio through my computer made no sense at all.
It's no different than listening to a real audio stream. No thanks. A
wireless radio was sufficient for me in 1972, and a wireless radio is
sufficient for me today. And sometimes late at night, when I hear the
announcer on WLS say that the outbound Dan Ryan is 15 minutes to O'Hare,
then I feel like I'm 14 again, and the magic of radio is still in me.

You make it sound very interesting and my
finger has been twitching towards eBay! At that price, its SAF
(spousal acceptance factor) is a non-issue too.

Hey T Early, I spoke with someone and hopefully this weekend I'll do (as he
said he did) a 'side to side' test with the 398.

Now my 398 is stick and run to a sloper or a buttload of wire, all I gotta do
it throw a switch. I run mine on rechargeables, and we be 'joyed' to unplug
the external and sit it on the lazt susan with that old nasty looking GE P-780.
..http://www.transistor.org/collection/ge/ge14.html

http://www.transistor.org/feature/jutson/feature.html

or imo, this is the best one.
http://www.transistor.org/feature/jutson/details.html

But there
are some aspects of its performance, under difficult conditions, that a
"better" receiver may do better with. My two cents'worth.

*FINALLY*........I was about ready to throw out my fifteen plus radios and just
go get this piece, sounds like it'ss THE radio to have. I wonder how it
stacks up to the Drake? ;-) Steve? You there? LOL

In article ,
Al Patrick wrote:

T. Early wrote:

As something of a DX-398 buff, I have to ask where you think the
compromises are in the Degan? Or is it that rare product that really
does transcend its cost? You make it sound very interesting and my
finger has been twitching towards eBay! At that price, its SAF
(spousal acceptance factor) is a non-issue too.


Since this is newer than the three units he compared it with could it be
that the difference is in circuit integration? He mentioned it weighing
less also. Combining more IC's might make it a bit lighter and perhaps
more battery efficient as well.

Newer, thinner IC technology; i.e. micron thickness?

Thinner plastic, smaller magnet in speaker ....I don't think IC's weigh
all that much.

In article , "Corbin Ray"
writes:


On SW, the Degen blew away my 398!

Not in a 1 -1 test with an external antenna I bet.
They probably jiggered sensitivity on the Degen 1102
at the expense of selectivity;

- So, my guess is that, even though it's very sensitive on the whip,
there will be more overloads,


Oh quit it Corbin....lol...why don't you start a yahoo group on your new
piece
and see how many join. I'm sorry, this one is the hardest for me to
believe.
Anyone else? Is this even 'remotely' possible. I've got a log book my
friend
has just from my DX398 that hasn't even been modded yet (it will be) just so
he
can see if he can catch the same stations and countries as I have)....I know
I
live out in an RF free environment but still. I need another coffee now.
;-)


Listening to radio through my computer made no sense at all.
It's no different than listening to a real audio stream.

Agree.. Shortwave is better.. I can pick it up anywhere..

_ Except for Music shows ( Tasha) on Friday & John Lightning on Sunday Nights

( Where the Internet conection usually fails ! ! )

Well said Corbin!

I think you expressed the sentiments of many of us that love radio and
radios.

-- Stinger

"Corbin Ray" wrote in message
...
I'm still enjoying my new little friend.

You have to understand what I am about. I was born in 1958 here in
Kentucky.
I grew up listening to local radio until 1972 when a friend introduced me
to
nighttime radio (WLS, WOWO, WCFL, WAKY, WLAC...) and my whole world
changed.
The radio became a magical place where I could get away from the doldrums
of
the boring stuff around me and escape to wherever those magical voices
were.
I imagined myself being in everyone of those places. Our internet today
was
like my radio then, but my radio had better pictures. Of course, my first
job was as a DJ at a local station. I worked in radio many years,
eventually
managing a group of top-rated stations. I'm now out of the radio business,
but I can never get radio out of me. When I go to bed at night, I cuddle
with my radio (my wife cuddles with a TV, but that's another story). And
if
conditions permit, I tune my radio around the AM band just like I did 30
years ago. To me, the perfect radio has nothing sticking out of it. I have
owned expensive desktop radios, but they have to be plugged into the wall
and to a bunch of antennas. I even had a computer-controlled radio. That
was
even worse. Listening to radio through my computer made no sense at all.
It's no different than listening to a real audio stream. No thanks. A
wireless radio was sufficient for me in 1972, and a wireless radio is
sufficient for me today. And sometimes late at night, when I hear the
announcer on WLS say that the outbound Dan Ryan is 15 minutes to O'Hare,
then I feel like I'm 14 again, and the magic of radio is still in me.

I feel exactly the same about radio. I guess I haven't been without some
kind of small transistor radio since I was 11. I'm 50 now, and I still like
'em. I was never in the radio business, but it started with local AM radio
listening in the late 1950's. Then came listening to stations at night from
Boston, New York and Detroit (mostly). As a teenager, the first time I got
paid for actual work I stopped at a little radio shop downtown and came home
with a pocket-sized Telefunken that had the names of European cities on the
dial. Later came a Grundig Elite Boy, and then some Sonys. I too listened to
internet radio for a while, but it's just not the same. I watch TV, but late
at night, it's a radio I like - one that's small enough to be in whatever
room I'm in, and that doesn't absolutely have to be connected to an antenna
or to the wall. To me, listening to a distant radio station makes me feel
like being there. It's exciting, and it's like walking - it's free, in the
air for the taking. For that reason, I really don't get much of a kick from
international broadcasts that are relayed. I want to hear them from where
they are. Of course, I wouldn't mind a nice communications receiver if I
could ever afford one - but not one that runs on the computer.
Pierre


"Corbin Ray" wrote in message
...
I'm still enjoying my new little friend.

You have to understand what I am about. I was born in 1958 here in
Kentucky.
I grew up listening to local radio until 1972 when a friend introduced
me
to
nighttime radio (WLS, WOWO, WCFL, WAKY, WLAC...) and my whole world
changed.
The radio became a magical place where I could get away from the
doldrums
of
the boring stuff around me and escape to wherever those magical voices
were.
I imagined myself being in everyone of those places. Our internet today
was
like my radio then, but my radio had better pictures. Of course, my
first
job was as a DJ at a local station. I worked in radio many years,
eventually
managing a group of top-rated stations. I'm now out of the radio
business,
but I can never get radio out of me. When I go to bed at night, I cuddle
with my radio (my wife cuddles with a TV, but that's another story). And
if
conditions permit, I tune my radio around the AM band just like I did 30
years ago. To me, the perfect radio has nothing sticking out of it. I
have
owned expensive desktop radios, but they have to be plugged into the
wall
and to a bunch of antennas. I even had a computer-controlled radio. That
was
even worse. Listening to radio through my computer made no sense at all.
It's no different than listening to a real audio stream. No thanks. A
wireless radio was sufficient for me in 1972, and a wireless radio is
sufficient for me today. And sometimes late at night, when I hear the
announcer on WLS say that the outbound Dan Ryan is 15 minutes to O'Hare,
then I feel like I'm 14 again, and the magic of radio is still in me.

It's nice to see there's other people who think radio listening is fun. When
I was heavily into DXing, it became an obsession and I burned out quickly.
When I worked in radio, listening became a job. But now that I can sit back
and just listen for fun, I'm having a blast again. Kinda like my second
childhood.

Oh, about the 1102, it's still cranking out the hits. And last night, I
ordered another one for a friend who's down on his luck right now. He lost
his job, his wife is sick, and he's got a birthday next week. So I figured
he needs to get a new Degen in the mail from some Chinese person (Liypn's
sending it straight to him with no hint who paid for it). Everybody needs a
new Degen 1102!

"Corbin Ray" wrote...
It's nice to see there's other people who think radio listening is fun. When
I was heavily into DXing, it became an obsession and I burned out quickly.
When I worked in radio, listening became a job. But now that I can sit back
and just listen for fun, I'm having a blast again. Kinda like my second
childhood.

Oh, about the 1102, it's still cranking out the hits. And last night, I
ordered another one for a friend who's down on his luck right now. He lost
his job, his wife is sick, and he's got a birthday next week. So I figured
he needs to get a new Degen in the mail from some Chinese person (Liypn's
sending it straight to him with no hint who paid for it). Everybody needs a
new Degen 1102!



That's a wonderful thing to do for your friend.
God bless you... and him.

Liypn is a great seller, and your post gives even more evidence
of that fact. I'm thinking of getting another DE1102 myself. They
are scarce on eBay now though. Apparently someone is buying them
for his friends : )

Best wishes to you.

I bought one of his last listings and its still in shipping. I was worried
about the wall power but what the 7734.

I wish I would've know someone was giving them away! ;)

Good on ya Corbin

In article , "Corbin Ray"
writes:


Oh, about the 1102, it's still cranking out the hits. And last night, I
ordered another one for a friend who's down on his luck right now. He lost
his job, his wife is sick, and he's got a birthday next week. So I figured
he needs to get a new Degen in the mail from some Chinese person (Liypn's
sending it straight to him with no hint who paid for it). Everybody needs a
new Degen 1102!


Right. Everyone needs a new Degen 1102

* * * - And a freind like You.. ! * * *

Thanks for doing this, Ray, You make it a better world for all of us;

( & tell him Happy Birthday ! ! ! )

Dan

but what the 7734.

This may be OT, but I thought I knew most Internet shorthand, but what does
"what the 7734" mean? I can take an educated guess, based on the context,
but...
Thanks. --Ken

Type that number into a calculator then turn it upside-down!



"KEN8038" wrote in message
...
but what the 7734.

This may be OT, but I thought I knew most Internet shorthand, but what
does
"what the 7734" mean? I can take an educated guess, based on the context,
but...
Thanks. --Ken

Thanks for all your kind words. My friend is a couple of years older than
me. He got me into DXing back in high school. He and I married sisters. My
first wife was bipolar, but my ex-wife's sister, the one who married my
friend, was -- and is -- as sweet as anyone could possibly be. Way back in
her early 20s, she was diagnosed with lupus, crohn's disease, and a bunch of
other serious medical conditions. Now she is 40 and still looks like a
teenager, but her body is in continual pain and she struggles constantly to
keep her nutrient level up to a livable amount. She keeps going and in and
out of the hospital. Some day, I fear, she won't make it back out.

All my friend asks for is that people would pray for them. I do that every
day, and if any of you want to, their names are Dave and Lorna Lanham.
Please pray that God will see them through this time of trouble, for
physical strength for Lorna and emotional strength for Dave, and that each
of them will stay focused on God no matter what happens.

(Diverd4777) wrote in message ...
In article , "Corbin Ray"
writes:


Oh, about the 1102, it's still cranking out the hits. And last night, I
ordered another one for a friend who's down on his luck right now. He lost
his job, his wife is sick, and he's got a birthday next week. So I figured
he needs to get a new Degen in the mail from some Chinese person (Liypn's
sending it straight to him with no hint who paid for it). Everybody needs a
new Degen 1102!

Radiologist,

How did you contact and purchase from Liypn this 2nd 1102? I have
tried to contact him through
eBay with no response... I want one of these suckers, and I want the
Degen model, not a Kaito... for some reason.

You can contact me through my homepage...
http://homepage.mac.com/chevyorange

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:40:18 -0500, "Corbin Ray"
wrote:

Quick first impressions about my new Degen 1102.

It arrived seven days after being airmailed from Hong Kong. Seller was Lipyn
through eBay. Perfect condition. He delivered exactly as promised.

The radio arrived in a padded envelope. When I opened it, there was a small
white box on the end. Inside was a 220 to 110 converter.

The radio box was in full color and printed in Chinese. I opened the box and
there was a very well-laid-out tray containing the 220 power adapter on the
left, stereo earphones on top right, and the radio on the bottom right
wrapped in a plastic bag. I picked up the tray, and under it was a shortwave
antenna wire, a pack of three Degen brand Ni-MH 1.25V 1300mAh rechargeable
batteries, and an owners manual printed in English and Chinese. Very nicely
packaged!!!

I haven't taken time to read the manual yet. Sorry, but I'm a guy.
Instructions are for the weak-minded.

I picked up the radio, put in three AA NI-CADs and turned it on. It worked
fine, so I went outside and tested it against my DX-398.

On MW, the two were basically equal. Each one had frequencies on which it
beat the other. One thing of note, though... the Degen is extremely
directional. The DX-398 was a bit more forgiving. It's amazing that a radio
with a smaller ferrite bar can keep up with my DX-398. Of course, the 398
sounds better with more bass and everything, but that's to be expected.

On FM, again the two were comparable. Maybe the 398 won with the whip not
extended, but with the whip fully extended, there was no difference.

On SW, the Degen blew away my 398! Of course I realize that the 398 is
designed to work best with an external antenna attached. But that's not the
way I listen to a radio. In fact, most of the time, I like to keep the whip
unextended. When I fully extended both whips, the 398 came closer in
reception, but the Degen still shone.

I don't feel like writing more now. There are radio waves passing through my
house at this very moment, so I need to get my new radio turned on and tuned
in so I can find out where the waves are coming from and what they're trying
to tell me.

I love my new Degen 1102. Maybe I'll post more tomorrow when I get tired of
listening to it. Or maybe not.

I have had my DE1102 for about 2 months and finally got around to
trying SSB on it. I listened to a person from Chicago talking to
someone in California. They came in loud and clear here in North
Texas. The the more I use this radio, the more I like it. I no longer
recommend the YB400, DX398 or the Sony 7600GR ( all of which I own ).
I recommend the DEGEN 1102 as a great first SW radio or anyone looking
for a portable. For the money, I think it is the best value going.

Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives
that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!!

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:10:03 GMT, Robert Beck
wrote:


I have had my DE1102 for about 2 months and finally got around to
trying SSB on it. I listened to a person from Chicago talking to
someone in California. They came in loud and clear here in North
Texas. The the more I use this radio, the more I like it. I no longer
recommend the YB400, DX398 or the Sony 7600GR ( all of which I own ).
I recommend the DEGEN 1102 as a great first SW radio or anyone looking
for a portable. For the money, I think it is the best value going.

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:32:06 GMT, B Banton wrote:


Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives
that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!!

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:10:03 GMT, Robert Beck
wrote:


I have had my DE1102 for about 2 months and finally got around to
trying SSB on it. I listened to a person from Chicago talking to
someone in California. They came in loud and clear here in North
Texas. The the more I use this radio, the more I like it. I no longer
recommend the YB400, DX398 or the Sony 7600GR ( all of which I own ).
I recommend the DEGEN 1102 as a great first SW radio or anyone looking
for a portable. For the money, I think it is the best value going.

Funny, I never said a word about China or NFTA

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 04:31:28 GMT, Robert Beck
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:32:06 GMT, B Banton wrote:


Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives
that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!!

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:10:03 GMT, Robert Beck
wrote:


I have had my DE1102 for about 2 months and finally got around to
trying SSB on it. I listened to a person from Chicago talking to
someone in California. They came in loud and clear here in North
Texas. The the more I use this radio, the more I like it. I no longer
recommend the YB400, DX398 or the Sony 7600GR ( all of which I own ).
I recommend the DEGEN 1102 as a great first SW radio or anyone looking
for a portable. For the money, I think it is the best value going.

Funny, I never said a word about China or NFTA

No - You just contribute to it's dismal failure.

I'm still enjoying my new little friend.


*********rest of good post snipped*******

OK Corbin, I see hwere you're coming from. My apologies. I remember my first
piece, and how excited I was, I just didn't have usenet to tell it too.

Hope you enjoy your new radio and hopefully it'll be the first of about fifteen
you'll end up getting. ;-)

Have fun!

"B Banton" wrote in message
...

Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives
that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!!


It's our rich industrialists in collaboration with our governments (US,
Canada, and others) that have been pushing free, globalized free trade over
the objections of the public for years now, and they were all falling over
each other trying to get an advantage over every other western country in
trade with China. I always thought it was a bad idea, but since that's what
"they" want, I'll be darned if I won't take advantage of it now to get more
for less, now that China is producing good stuff at ridiculously-low prices.
It's a vicious cycle.

Pierre

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 05:11:10 GMT, B Banton wrote:

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 04:31:28 GMT, Robert Beck
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:32:06 GMT, B Banton wrote:


Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives
that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!!

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:10:03 GMT, Robert Beck
wrote:


I have had my DE1102 for about 2 months and finally got around to
trying SSB on it. I listened to a person from Chicago talking to
someone in California. They came in loud and clear here in North
Texas. The the more I use this radio, the more I like it. I no longer
recommend the YB400, DX398 or the Sony 7600GR ( all of which I own ).
I recommend the DEGEN 1102 as a great first SW radio or anyone looking
for a portable. For the money, I think it is the best value going.

Funny, I never said a word about China or NFTA

No - You just contribute to it's dismal failure.

Just wondering where you think YB400,DX398 and the Sony 7600GR are
made. None of them are made in the US. If you can name a portable
shortwave receiver made in the US, I for one would like to know what
it is.

B Banton wrote:

Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives
that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!!

Just where do you think a lot of the portables are made?



On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:10:03 GMT, Robert Beck
wrote:

I have had my DE1102 for about 2 months and finally got around to
trying SSB on it. I listened to a person from Chicago talking to
someone in California. They came in loud and clear here in North
Texas. The the more I use this radio, the more I like it. I no longer
recommend the YB400, DX398 or the Sony 7600GR ( all of which I own ).
I recommend the DEGEN 1102 as a great first SW radio or anyone looking
for a portable. For the money, I think it is the best value going.

Yes but people in poorer countries can now afford things like radios
and bicycles because they're made in china. $20 vs. $100 US is a big
difference in affordability when you make two dollars US a day. I
saw some fairly decent $30 bicycles in a carrefour market in Shanghai.
Because they're $30 and not $100 a lot more people in Asia, Africa,
Latin America can afford one. That people in countries like the US
are buying it too is to our advantage. If we didn't they could still
sell it there and we'd pay many more times for the same utility.

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 09:20:29 -0500, "Pierre L"
wrote:


"B Banton" wrote in message
.. .

Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives
that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!!


It's our rich industrialists in collaboration with our governments (US,
Canada, and others) that have been pushing free, globalized free trade over
the objections of the public for years now, and they were all falling over
each other trying to get an advantage over every other western country in
trade with China. I always thought it was a bad idea, but since that's what
"they" want, I'll be darned if I won't take advantage of it now to get more
for less, now that China is producing good stuff at ridiculously-low prices.
It's a vicious cycle.

Pierre

BB,

NAFTA is NAFTA -&- China is China

The two largest suppliers of Natural Resoreces to the USofA are
Canada and Mexico.

Hint: We buy more of the Natural Gas and Oil that the USofA uses
from Canada and Mexico, then from the Arabs / Middle East [.]

The Largest BUYER in the World of American Made Goods is Mexico [.]

The Largest BUYER per Capita of American Made Goods is Canada [.]

From the 1950s to 1990s the USofA Transitioned from a Manufacturing
Economy to a Service Economy. In the 1990s NAFTA "Made Sense" for
a USofA that had become a Service Economy.

Don't Blame Presidents: Bush-Clinton-Bush for NAFTA.

Blame the Congresses from the 1950s to Today - Who Passed or
Didn't Pass Laws that Benefited the Re-Investment of Capital
into the American Manufacturing Business Sector and the
Re-Training of Americans for the Jobs with a Future.

During the LBJ Great Society - Job Training Program the US
Government PAID people to Learn to become Barbers and Shoe Repairmen.
Unfortunately the US Government 'trained' Five Times the Number
of Barbers needed and Eleven Times the Number of Shoe Repairmen
that would ever be required.

Require Business to PAY the Prevailing Wage with Benefits for All
Imported Work VISA Workers. Or Pay a 100% Tax Equal to Any Savings
that is 'dedicated' for US Worker Retraining. Give US Workers and
Unions 'Standing in Court' to Challenge any Work VISA Applications
in US Courts.

Require Business to Pay 33% Tax for Five Years on Any and All
Savings from the Out-Sourcing Jobs to OverSeas/Foreign Countries.
This is a 'dedicated' Tax to Used to Fund US Worker Retraining.
Give US Workers and Unions 'Standing in Court' to Challenge any
Out-Sourcing of Jobs in US Courts.

When AMERICANS Work - America WORKS.

It Ain't 'the president(s)' - IT'S CONGRESS !

Some People May Label Me a 'republican'.
I Say I Am An "AMERICAN" - First and Foremost [.]

ssi... ~ RHF
= = = So Say I... My Opinions Stated As Facts !
..
..
= = = N8KDV
= = = wrote in message ...
B Banton wrote:

Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives
that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!!

Just where do you think a lot of the portables are made?



On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:10:03 GMT, Robert Beck
wrote:

I have had my DE1102 for about 2 months and finally got around to
trying SSB on it. I listened to a person from Chicago talking to
someone in California. They came in loud and clear here in North
Texas. The the more I use this radio, the more I like it. I no longer
recommend the YB400, DX398 or the Sony 7600GR ( all of which I own ).
I recommend the DEGEN 1102 as a great first SW radio or anyone looking
for a portable. For the money, I think it is the best value going.

Altawaowr wrote:

Yes but people in poorer countries can now afford things like radios
and bicycles because they're made in china. $20 vs. $100 US is a big
difference in affordability when you make two dollars US a day. I
saw some fairly decent $30 bicycles in a carrefour market in Shanghai.
Because they're $30 and not $100 a lot more people in Asia, Africa,
Latin America can afford one. That people in countries like the US
are buying it too is to our advantage. If we didn't they could still
sell it there and we'd pay many more times for the same utility.

Most Chinese bicycles are one gear, just two sprocket wheels and a
chain. I never did get the point of having 21 different gear settings on
a bike that will be used only in a city (unless your city is San
Francisco :) ). I guess American bike makers do that to extract more
money from customers. Also, I should note that before the era of
transistors most of the world's people couldn't afford a radio, much
less a TV or a satellite dish. America was an anomaly with a radio in
every room-average people in Nazi Germany or Japan could barely afford
one tabletop set built worse than the average American table radio.
Using transistors eliminated the need for the craftsman skills that went
into building tube models, so the radios could be produced in Asia
(first Japan, then China) for much less than in America. This trend has
hit all industry in America-for example, once a way to standardize beef
production was invented, the skilled butchers at the slaughterhouses
were fired and the jobs given to unskilled Mexicans working for much
less. The end result is that skilled, highly paid manual laborers have
been thrown out of work, reducing the size of the middle class.


On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 09:20:29 -0500, "Pierre L"
wrote:


"B Banton" wrote in message
.. .

Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives
that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!!


It's our rich industrialists in collaboration with our governments (US,
Canada, and others) that have been pushing free, globalized free trade over
the objections of the public for years now, and they were all falling over
each other trying to get an advantage over every other western country in
trade with China. I always thought it was a bad idea, but since that's what
"they" want, I'll be darned if I won't take advantage of it now to get more
for less, now that China is producing good stuff at ridiculously-low prices.
It's a vicious cycle.

Pierre

Just changing the topic for the hell of it.

RHF - Your formatting sux so you're in the plonk bucket. Told you a
million damn times. See - everyone tellsyou - everyone hates it - but
you don't stop. So - you are borderline crazy and the border is damn
close. You just don't see it. And that's even more proof - so

``````````````poof`$%^&#())))_++++

Muhahahahahhahahahahhahahahah...

On 28 Feb 2004 12:05:06 -0800, (RHF)
wrote:

BB,

NAFTA is NAFTA -&- China is China

The two largest suppliers of Natural Resoreces to the USofA are
Canada and Mexico.

Hint: We buy more of the Natural Gas and Oil that the USofA uses
from Canada and Mexico, then from the Arabs / Middle East [.]

The Largest BUYER in the World of American Made Goods is Mexico [.]

The Largest BUYER per Capita of American Made Goods is Canada [.]

From the 1950s to 1990s the USofA Transitioned from a Manufacturing
Economy to a Service Economy. In the 1990s NAFTA "Made Sense" for
a USofA that had become a Service Economy.

Don't Blame Presidents: Bush-Clinton-Bush for NAFTA.

Blame the Congresses from the 1950s to Today - Who Passed or
Didn't Pass Laws that Benefited the Re-Investment of Capital
into the American Manufacturing Business Sector and the
Re-Training of Americans for the Jobs with a Future.

During the LBJ Great Society - Job Training Program the US
Government PAID people to Learn to become Barbers and Shoe Repairmen.
Unfortunately the US Government 'trained' Five Times the Number
of Barbers needed and Eleven Times the Number of Shoe Repairmen
that would ever be required.

Require Business to PAY the Prevailing Wage with Benefits for All
Imported Work VISA Workers. Or Pay a 100% Tax Equal to Any Savings
that is 'dedicated' for US Worker Retraining. Give US Workers and
Unions 'Standing in Court' to Challenge any Work VISA Applications
in US Courts.

Require Business to Pay 33% Tax for Five Years on Any and All
Savings from the Out-Sourcing Jobs to OverSeas/Foreign Countries.
This is a 'dedicated' Tax to Used to Fund US Worker Retraining.
Give US Workers and Unions 'Standing in Court' to Challenge any
Out-Sourcing of Jobs in US Courts.

When AMERICANS Work - America WORKS.

It Ain't 'the president(s)' - IT'S CONGRESS !

Some People May Label Me a 'republican'.
I Say I Am An "AMERICAN" - First and Foremost [.]

ssi... ~ RHF
= = = So Say I... My Opinions Stated As Facts !
.
.
= = = N8KDV
= = = wrote in message ...
B Banton wrote:

Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives
that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!!

Just where do you think a lot of the portables are made?



On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:10:03 GMT, Robert Beck
wrote:

I have had my DE1102 for about 2 months and finally got around to
trying SSB on it. I listened to a person from Chicago talking to
someone in California. They came in loud and clear here in North
Texas. The the more I use this radio, the more I like it. I no longer
recommend the YB400, DX398 or the Sony 7600GR ( all of which I own ).
I recommend the DEGEN 1102 as a great first SW radio or anyone looking
for a portable. For the money, I think it is the best value going.

the skilled butchers at the slaughterhouses
were fired and the jobs given to unskilled Mexicans working for much
less. The end result is that skilled, highly paid manual laborers have
been thrown out of work, reducing the size of the middle class.

- Please note:
- This " firing of skilled workers" also reduces the size of the US pool of "
taxable Workers" needed to support "The Government"; Sholls, Hospitals,
Street repair, Police, Firemen, etc.
And with
" The Miracle Of Offshoring"
- ANYONE sitting at a desk can have his / Her job " Offshored "
- Leaving us with an army of unemployed Professionals;
And little else..

BB,

Why Thank You.

plonk, Plonk. PLONK ! Away :o)

You Can't Defend Your Ideas - So You Attack the Messenger.

Translation You Lose - I Win [.]

~ RHF
..
..
= = = B Banton
= = = wrote in message . ..

RHF - Your formatting sux so you're in the plonk bucket. Told you a
million damn times. See - everyone tellsyou - everyone hates it - but
you don't stop. So - you are borderline crazy and the border is damn
close. You just don't see it. And that's even more proof - so

``````````````poof`$%^&#())))_++++

Muhahahahahhahahahahhahahahah...

On 28 Feb 2004 12:05:06 -0800, (RHF)
wrote:

BB,

NAFTA is NAFTA -&- China is China

The two largest suppliers of Natural Resoreces to the USofA are
Canada and Mexico.

Hint: We buy more of the Natural Gas and Oil that the USofA uses
from Canada and Mexico, then from the Arabs / Middle East [.]

The Largest BUYER in the World of American Made Goods is Mexico [.]

The Largest BUYER per Capita of American Made Goods is Canada [.]

From the 1950s to 1990s the USofA Transitioned from a Manufacturing
Economy to a Service Economy. In the 1990s NAFTA "Made Sense" for
a USofA that had become a Service Economy.

Don't Blame Presidents: Bush-Clinton-Bush for NAFTA.

Blame the Congresses from the 1950s to Today - Who Passed or
Didn't Pass Laws that Benefited the Re-Investment of Capital
into the American Manufacturing Business Sector and the
Re-Training of Americans for the Jobs with a Future.

During the LBJ Great Society - Job Training Program the US
Government PAID people to Learn to become Barbers and Shoe Repairmen.
Unfortunately the US Government 'trained' Five Times the Number
of Barbers needed and Eleven Times the Number of Shoe Repairmen
that would ever be required.

Require Business to PAY the Prevailing Wage with Benefits for All
Imported Work VISA Workers. Or Pay a 100% Tax Equal to Any Savings
that is 'dedicated' for US Worker Retraining. Give US Workers and
Unions 'Standing in Court' to Challenge any Work VISA Applications
in US Courts.

Require Business to Pay 33% Tax for Five Years on Any and All
Savings from the Out-Sourcing Jobs to OverSeas/Foreign Countries.
This is a 'dedicated' Tax to Used to Fund US Worker Retraining.
Give US Workers and Unions 'Standing in Court' to Challenge any
Out-Sourcing of Jobs in US Courts.

When AMERICANS Work - America WORKS.

It Ain't 'the president(s)' - IT'S CONGRESS !

Some People May Label Me a 'republican'.
I Say I Am An "AMERICAN" - First and Foremost [.]

ssi... ~ RHF
= = = So Say I... My Opinions Stated As Facts !
.
.
= = = N8KDV
= = = wrote in message ...
B Banton wrote:

Pretty soon we'll have radios from China. Same idiot conservatives
that are buying them are screaming about NAFTA. Oh my my...!!

Just where do you think a lot of the portables are made?



On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:10:03 GMT, Robert Beck
wrote:

I have had my DE1102 for about 2 months and finally got around to
trying SSB on it. I listened to a person from Chicago talking to
someone in California. They came in loud and clear here in North
Texas. The the more I use this radio, the more I like it. I no longer
recommend the YB400, DX398 or the Sony 7600GR ( all of which I own ).
I recommend the DEGEN 1102 as a great first SW radio or anyone looking
for a portable. For the money, I think it is the best value going.

Well actually, most of the flashy multi-geared road and mountain bicycles
you see out there today have frames made in China, even though they are not
Chinese makes. This has been going on since the early 1990's. As for the
rationale behind having multiple gears, if you ride any further than your
corner convenience store, it quickly becomes apparent - although I agree
that 21 is more then plenty. A headwind is much the same as a hill, and when
you're riding a bike for any distance, you quickly find out that things
aren't as flat as they appear to be in a car. The purpose of multiple speeds
isn't only to be able to ride uphill, but also to be able to choose gears so
that the rider can maintain the same cadence, no matter what the terrain or
wind.

The thing with cheaper third world production is that, a great many
Americans and other westerners wouldn't today be able to afford all the
electronic and other consumer goods they buy, including the computers used
to read this newsgroup, fancy digital cameras, mobile phones, etc. What's
the alternative? Tariffs? Who will buy the more expensive goods then?
There's only so much money around to be spent.

Pierre


"tommyknocker" wrote in message
Most Chinese bicycles are one gear, just two sprocket wheels and a
chain. I never did get the point of having 21 different gear settings on
a bike that will be used only in a city (unless your city is San
Francisco :) ). I guess American bike makers do that to extract more
money from customers. Also, I should note that before the era of
transistors most of the world's people couldn't afford a radio, much
less a TV or a satellite dish. America was an anomaly with a radio in
every room-average people in Nazi Germany or Japan could barely afford
one tabletop set built worse than the average American table radio.
Using transistors eliminated the need for the craftsman skills that went
into building tube models, so the radios could be produced in Asia
(first Japan, then China) for much less than in America. This trend has
hit all industry in America-for example, once a way to standardize beef
production was invented, the skilled butchers at the slaughterhouses
were fired and the jobs given to unskilled Mexicans working for much
less. The end result is that skilled, highly paid manual laborers have
been thrown out of work, reducing the size of the middle class.