I won't dispute that the dairy farmer has a 7 day work week.

But lets talk about the grain farmer;

Can't do anything during the winter months.
PLOW the fields in springtime.
PLANT
Can't do anything once the seeds are in.
HARVEST in the autumn.
????
I probably don't understand the problem,
but it sounds like about three weeks of frenzy,
and forty-nine weeks of sittin' at the kitchen table.
and complaining about how hard farm life is.

Hell.... that's even better than school teachers !


rj

"Melvin Creep" wrote in message
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++
In order...no most of them have no integrity or the would be honest
like the Amish farmers who accept ZERO government money and run very
profitable operations...



You have no idea what the average subsidy is
so you are talking out of your ass. Most receive taxpayers handouts
totalling well into the hundreds of thousands of dollars.


Look here dick head. The average small farm is not raking in big money from
the gov. Don't put my families farm in with those big corprate rice farms in
CA asshole. We work for a living. And we don't hire anybody except when my
Brother inlaw takes a vacation and needs someone to watch over the dairy.


http://www.ewg.org/farm/


Lastly, no I
am no hypocrite because I openly admit I receive a handout, unlike
farmers who pretend can't even bring themselves to call it what it is
- welfare, instead their mask it by calling it a subsidy.

No dummy. You don't do **** and expect a check. At least the farmer produces
something.

Melvin
P.S. This exposure of your daddy's dirty little secret really gets
your goat doesn't it punk...LOL!!! Stay tuned for more exposes!

No but it sure ****es you off. In fact your attitude of permanent
indignation shows your great mental poverty, from one self righteous post to
the next. You know, if you keep ****ing up you'll never make it to Kook
status. Later looser. LOL!!!

"Brian Hill" wrote in message ...
Look here dick head. The average small farm is not raking in big money from
the gov. Don't put my families farm in with those big corprate rice farms in
CA asshole. We work for a living.

No dummy. You don't do **** and expect a check. At least the farmer produces
something.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Stop lying. The average small farm is not raking as much as the
corporate farms but they are raking in plenty nonetheless. On a pro
rata basis they receive an even more generous handout than the big
ones.
And you are wrong again about the farmers at least producing
something to get their welfare. I personally know many area small
farmers who are getting paid NOT to produce certain crops. A hog
farmer got a bigger check from the taxpayers for NOT raising hogs than
he did when he actually raised them. Ditto with dairy farmers and
milk. Do your homework before shooting your big ignorant mouth off.
Don't even bother responding because this thread has ended for me.
The Honorable Melvin Creep
Official Spokesman Shortwave NG

Creep head wrote:

Stop lying. The average small farm is not raking as much as the
corporate farms but they are raking in plenty nonetheless.

The average small farm is doing good to break even, do your homework
before shooting off your big ignorant mouth, amoung the other things you
do with it.

Something that no one in this thread has considered. The real reason the
government supports farming is war. If farmers are allowed to go out of
business and we start importing all our food, in time of war we're screwed.
Cut off the supply routes and people starve.

"Brian Hill" wrote in message
...

"Melvin Creep" wrote in message

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++
In order...no most of them have no integrity or the would be honest
like the Amish farmers who accept ZERO government money and run very
profitable operations...



You have no idea what the average subsidy is
so you are talking out of your ass. Most receive taxpayers handouts
totalling well into the hundreds of thousands of dollars.


Look here dick head. The average small farm is not raking in big money
from
the gov. Don't put my families farm in with those big corprate rice farms
in
CA asshole. We work for a living. And we don't hire anybody except when my
Brother inlaw takes a vacation and needs someone to watch over the dairy.


http://www.ewg.org/farm/


Lastly, no I
am no hypocrite because I openly admit I receive a handout, unlike
farmers who pretend can't even bring themselves to call it what it is
- welfare, instead their mask it by calling it a subsidy.

No dummy. You don't do **** and expect a check. At least the farmer
produces
something.

Melvin
P.S. This exposure of your daddy's dirty little secret really gets
your goat doesn't it punk...LOL!!! Stay tuned for more exposes!

No but it sure ****es you off. In fact your attitude of permanent
indignation shows your great mental poverty, from one self righteous post
to
the next. You know, if you keep ****ing up you'll never make it to Kook
status. Later looser. LOL!!!

"CW" wrote in message
...
Something that no one in this thread has considered. The real reason the
government supports farming is war. If farmers are allowed to go out of
business and we start importing all our food, in time of war we're
screwed.
Cut off the supply routes and people starve.


Are you saying farmers in the US are so helpless they would go out of
business without government support?

One form of government support pays farmers not to grow crops. What is the
wartime value of that?

Which potential enemy could engage us in a war so protracted as to risk
American starvation? And wouldn't such a war turn nuclear long before
starvation was a risk?

Isn't manufacturing at least as important to our war fighting capability as
farming?

Frank Dresser

CW,

Yes - That is one of the 'nice' Strategic Reasons for maintaining a
Strong 'self-sustaining' Domestic Farm Products Industry within the USofA.
{We can feed ourselves in times of war.}

But the other half of the "Dirty" Strategic Reasons for maintaining a
Strong self-sustaining Export Farm Products Industry within the USofA.

WHY - To use the "Denial of Food" to foreign nations as a Weapon of War.
Transportation, Utilities & Water and Food the very means of life
for the common man.
* Render Useless - Airports, Highways, Railroads, Waterways,
Ports, Harbors and Bridges.
* Cut-Off Electrical Power; Destroy Dams and Canals; Eliminate
Telecommunications; Black-Out Radio & TV Broadcasting.
* DENIGH THEM FOOD - The Slow Process of Starvation - Create Panic.
TBL: Control a Nation's Civilian Population and the Nations Leaders
and Military will follow. [Total War - Without Reservation ]


jm2cw ~ RHF
..
..
= = = "CW" wrote in message
= = = ...
Something that no one in this thread has considered. The real reason the
government supports farming is war. If farmers are allowed to go out of
business and we start importing all our food, in time of war we're screwed.
Cut off the supply routes and people starve.

"Brian Hill" wrote in message
...

"Melvin Creep" wrote in message

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++
In order...no most of them have no integrity or the would be honest
like the Amish farmers who accept ZERO government money and run very
profitable operations...



You have no idea what the average subsidy is
so you are talking out of your ass. Most receive taxpayers handouts
totalling well into the hundreds of thousands of dollars.


Look here dick head. The average small farm is not raking in big money
from
the gov. Don't put my families farm in with those big corprate rice farms
in
CA asshole. We work for a living. And we don't hire anybody except when my
Brother inlaw takes a vacation and needs someone to watch over the dairy.


http://www.ewg.org/farm/


Lastly, no I
am no hypocrite because I openly admit I receive a handout, unlike
farmers who pretend can't even bring themselves to call it what it is
- welfare, instead their mask it by calling it a subsidy.

No dummy. You don't do **** and expect a check. At least the farmer
produces
something.

Melvin
P.S. This exposure of your daddy's dirty little secret really gets
your goat doesn't it punk...LOL!!! Stay tuned for more exposes!

No but it sure ****es you off. In fact your attitude of permanent
indignation shows your great mental poverty, from one self righteous post
to
the next. You know, if you keep ****ing up you'll never make it to Kook
status. Later looser. LOL!!!

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
news:Coicc.24265$vo5.756001@bgtnsc05-
Are you saying farmers in the US are so helpless they would go out of
business without government support?

A lot of them would.

One form of government support pays farmers not to grow crops. What is
the
wartime value of that?

Same thing. Think about it.

Which potential enemy could engage us in a war so protracted as to risk
American starvation? And wouldn't such a war turn nuclear long before
starvation was a risk?

China, Russia, the rest of the world if we're not careful. If nukes were
used at all, it would be in limited fashion. It is survivable. Forget the
propaganda.

Isn't manufacturing at least as important to our war fighting capability
as
farming?

Food is more immediate than manufacturing. You have a bit of time before
manufactured resources run low. A lot longer than it would take for people
to starve. Manufacturing is quite important though. Present policy toward
that simply shows that short sighted greed is becoming the norm.

Frank Dresser

"RHF" wrote in message
om...
CW,

Yes - That is one of the 'nice' Strategic Reasons for maintaining a
Strong 'self-sustaining' Domestic Farm Products Industry within the USofA.
{We can feed ourselves in times of war.}

But the other half of the "Dirty" Strategic Reasons for maintaining a
Strong self-sustaining Export Farm Products Industry within the USofA.

WHY - To use the "Denial of Food" to foreign nations as a Weapon of War.
Transportation, Utilities & Water and Food the very means of life
for the common man.
* Render Useless - Airports, Highways, Railroads, Waterways,
Ports, Harbors and Bridges.
* Cut-Off Electrical Power; Destroy Dams and Canals; Eliminate
Telecommunications; Black-Out Radio & TV Broadcasting.
* DENIGH THEM FOOD - The Slow Process of Starvation - Create Panic.
TBL: Control a Nation's Civilian Population and the Nations Leaders
and Military will follow. [Total War - Without Reservation ]


jm2cw ~ RHF
.
.

Well, the sugar price supports have gotten alot of attention. Haiti is a
good place to grow sugar cane, but we won't buy much, if any. I've got this
crazy idea that the Hatians just might buy some US grown corn and wheat and
dairy products and meat if they had a few American dollars. Dollars they'd
get for their sugar.

So, are we in some "secret" war with the walking skeletons of Haiti?

Frank Dresser

"CW" wrote in message
...

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
news:Coicc.24265$vo5.756001@bgtnsc05-
Are you saying farmers in the US are so helpless they would go out of
business without government support?

A lot of them would.


Alot of them have in the last 30 years. Far more if you go back 50 years or
farther. Yet crops get grown, and food ends up on the table.

Farmers sell their farms every day to other farmers. The farm still
produce. Farm production has never been higher, despite the fact that we
have few farmers than we did 100 years ago.



One form of government support pays farmers not to grow crops. What is
the
wartime value of that?

Same thing. Think about it.


The same as what? That keeping small farms from turning into big farms is
necessary for US defense? If that's true, we should reverse the process and
break up the big farms.



Which potential enemy could engage us in a war so protracted as to risk
American starvation? And wouldn't such a war turn nuclear long before
starvation was a risk?

China, Russia, the rest of the world if we're not careful. If nukes were
used at all, it would be in limited fashion. It is survivable. Forget the
propaganda.

Then you're saying we would be defeated without using all our weapons. That
seems unlikely, but I won't argue the point.

Our farmers produce a big surplus of basic foods. Wheat, corn and soybeans.
No seige would cause starvation in the US.


Isn't manufacturing at least as important to our war fighting capability
as
farming?

Food is more immediate than manufacturing. You have a bit of time before
manufactured resources run low.

Very little time for many items. Companies don't like to carry much
inventory any more, and a large amount of that not carried inventory is
imported.


A lot longer than it would take for people
to starve. Manufacturing is quite important though. Present policy toward
that simply shows that short sighted greed is becoming the norm.


Farm subsidies aren't keeping US food production up by more than a few
percent, if that much. Some price supports actually depress food
production.

The only way eliminating price supports would significantly reduce US farm
production is if there's a big worldwide surplus of cheap food waiting to
come in. That ain't the case. Except for sugar.

Frank Dresser