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Bush Backs Broadband
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shortwave and amateur radio. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/s...907889,00.html Bush Touts High-Speed Internet Access Plan Saturday March 27, 2004 12:01 AM By SCOTT LINDLAW Associated Press Writer ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - President Bush, hunting for votes in hotly contested Sun Belt states, said Friday his administration is working toward wiring homes throughout America with high-speed Internet access by 2007. ..... In an outdoor speech here, the president stopped short of promising he would reach the goal by 2007, saying instead that ``we ought to have'' cheap high-speed access everywhere. Nor did he offer a detailed plan on how he hoped to achieve it. But his administration has been working at it behind the scenes. Last month, the Federal Communication Commission voted to write rules for a third way to bring high-speed Internet service to homes: through conventional electric lines, where a homeowner could plug a modem into an electrical outlet. ..... |
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - President Bush, hunting for votes in hotly
contested Sun Belt states, said Friday his administration is working toward wiring homes throughout America with high-speed Internet access by 2007. Seems rather inconsistent with his current policy though. Since Patriot Act II peeled through, I see more of a totalitarian agenda from Capitol Hill that, in good keeping with dictatorship policy would stand to lose by widespread high-speed internet access. Of course, when you have a population as stupid as the American populace I suppose it really doesn't matter after all. I fairly sure that there are some Americans somewhere waving their flags about this BPL news, as they do for anything the government tells them to. |
"reasonable doubt" wrote in message . net... ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - President Bush, hunting for votes in hotly contested Sun Belt states, said Friday his administration is working toward wiring homes throughout America with high-speed Internet access by 2007. Seems rather inconsistent with his current policy though. Since Patriot Act II peeled through, I see more of a totalitarian agenda from Capitol Hill that, in good keeping with dictatorship policy would stand to lose by widespread high-speed internet access. Of course, when you have a population as stupid as the American populace I suppose it really doesn't matter after all. I fairly sure that there are some Americans somewhere waving their flags about this BPL news, as they do for anything the government tells them to. Broadband doesn't always mean BPL. You are getting confused here. Broadband can be via cable modem such as I just signed up for or even via a wireless system. Do not assume that the term Broadband, when used alone, means BPL (Broadband over Power Line). I saw the news clip and BPL was not mentioned, only Broadband. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dee D. Flint wrote:
"reasonable doubt" wrote in message . net... ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - President Bush, hunting for votes in hotly contested Sun Belt states, said Friday his administration is working toward wiring homes throughout America with high-speed Internet access by 2007. Seems rather inconsistent with his current policy though. Since Patriot Act II peeled through, I see more of a totalitarian agenda from Capitol Hill that, in good keeping with dictatorship policy would stand to lose by widespread high-speed internet access. Of course, when you have a population as stupid as the American populace I suppose it really doesn't matter after all. I fairly sure that there are some Americans somewhere waving their flags about this BPL news, as they do for anything the government tells them to. Broadband doesn't always mean BPL. You are getting confused here. Broadband can be via cable modem such as I just signed up for or even via a wireless system. Do not assume that the term Broadband, when used alone, means BPL (Broadband over Power Line). I saw the news clip and BPL was not mentioned, only Broadband. As one of the endangered species of fiscal conservatives, I wonder how this will be funded? There are large parts of the country that will require many many miles of fiber to reach one family. - Mike KB3EIA - |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4609864/ MSNBC staff and news service reports Updated: 5:00 p.m. ET March 26, 2004 ALBUQUERQUE - Reaching back to revive an idea promoted by the man he beat for the White House, President Bush urged Friday that affordable high-speed Internet access be available to all Americans by 2007, saying it was essential to the nation’s economic growth. |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... As one of the endangered species of fiscal conservatives, I wonder how this will be funded? We could always borrow the money. Foriegn banks are just bursting with American cash, due to our industrial trade imbalance. There are large parts of the country that will require many many miles of fiber to reach one family. - Mike KB3EIA - If we buy foriegn made fiber cable, we can borrow the money back to pay the rest of the bills. This could be "self-funding". Frank Dresser |
reasonable doubt wrote in message . net... ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - President Bush, hunting for votes in hotly contested Sun Belt states, said Friday his administration is working toward wiring homes throughout America with high-speed Internet access by 2007. Seems rather inconsistent with his current policy though. Since Patriot Act II peeled through, I see more of a totalitarian agenda from Capitol Hill that, in good keeping with dictatorship policy would stand to lose by widespread high-speed internet access. Of course, when you have a population as stupid as the American populace I suppose it really doesn't matter after all. I fairly sure that there are some Americans somewhere waving their flags about this BPL news, as they do for anything the government tells them to. Hardly... I see broadband as another step toward Total Information Access... RG |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Dee D. Flint wrote: "reasonable doubt" wrote in message . net... ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - President Bush, hunting for votes in hotly contested Sun Belt states, said Friday his administration is working toward wiring homes throughout America with high-speed Internet access by 2007. Seems rather inconsistent with his current policy though. Since Patriot Act II peeled through, I see more of a totalitarian agenda from Capitol Hill that, in good keeping with dictatorship policy would stand to lose by widespread high-speed internet access. Of course, when you have a population as stupid as the American populace I suppose it really doesn't matter after all. I fairly sure that there are some Americans somewhere waving their flags about this BPL news, as they do for anything the government tells them to. Broadband doesn't always mean BPL. You are getting confused here. Broadband can be via cable modem such as I just signed up for or even via a wireless system. Do not assume that the term Broadband, when used alone, means BPL (Broadband over Power Line). I saw the news clip and BPL was not mentioned, only Broadband. As one of the endangered species of fiscal conservatives, I wonder how this will be funded? There are large parts of the country that will require many many miles of fiber to reach one family. - Mike KB3EIA - The rural areas will be neglected as always. There aren't enough voters to make a difference there anyway, at least in the politician's eyes. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"RadioGuy" wrote in message ... reasonable doubt wrote in message . net... ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - President Bush, hunting for votes in hotly contested Sun Belt states, said Friday his administration is working toward wiring homes throughout America with high-speed Internet access by 2007. Seems rather inconsistent with his current policy though. Since Patriot Act II peeled through, I see more of a totalitarian agenda from Capitol Hill that, in good keeping with dictatorship policy would stand to lose by widespread high-speed internet access. Of course, when you have a population as stupid as the American populace I suppose it really doesn't matter after all. I fairly sure that there are some Americans somewhere waving their flags about this BPL news, as they do for anything the government tells them to. Hardly... I see broadband as another step toward Total Information Access... RG Do not confuse Broadband with BPL. Broadband access can be achieved without BPL. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dee D. Flint wrote in message ... "RadioGuy" wrote in message ... reasonable doubt wrote in message . net... ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - President Bush, hunting for votes in hotly contested Sun Belt states, said Friday his administration is working toward wiring homes throughout America with high-speed Internet access by 2007. Seems rather inconsistent with his current policy though. Since Patriot Act II peeled through, I see more of a totalitarian agenda from Capitol Hill that, in good keeping with dictatorship policy would stand to lose by widespread high-speed internet access. Of course, when you have a population as stupid as the American populace I suppose it really doesn't matter after all. I fairly sure that there are some Americans somewhere waving their flags about this BPL news, as they do for anything the government tells them to. Hardly... I see broadband as another step toward Total Information Access... RG Do not confuse Broadband with BPL. Broadband access can be achieved without BPL. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I don't... I view broadband as large quantities of data accessed in short periods of time. RG |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Dee D. Flint wrote: "reasonable doubt" wrote in message . net... ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - President Bush, hunting for votes in hotly contested Sun Belt states, said Friday his administration is working toward wiring homes throughout America with high-speed Internet access by 2007. Seems rather inconsistent with his current policy though. Since Patriot Act II peeled through, I see more of a totalitarian agenda from Capitol Hill that, in good keeping with dictatorship policy would stand to lose by widespread high-speed internet access. Of course, when you have a population as stupid as the American populace I suppose it really doesn't matter after all. I fairly sure that there are some Americans somewhere waving their flags about this BPL news, as they do for anything the government tells them to. Broadband doesn't always mean BPL. You are getting confused here. Broadband can be via cable modem such as I just signed up for or even via a wireless system. Do not assume that the term Broadband, when used alone, means BPL (Broadband over Power Line). I saw the news clip and BPL was not mentioned, only Broadband. As one of the endangered species of fiscal conservatives, I wonder how this will be funded? There are large parts of the country that will require many many miles of fiber to reach one family. - Mike KB3EIA - What really needs to be done is at the point of end of the line, simply go with RF. Works for cellular quite well. Small low power 'nodes'. Linked by fiber and/or wire. No RFI, better security, and a dang lot easier to run and keep working. Dan/W4NTI |
"RadioGuy" wrote in message ... reasonable doubt wrote in message . net... ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - President Bush, hunting for votes in hotly contested Sun Belt states, said Friday his administration is working toward wiring homes throughout America with high-speed Internet access by 2007. Seems rather inconsistent with his current policy though. Since Patriot Act II peeled through, I see more of a totalitarian agenda from Capitol Hill that, in good keeping with dictatorship policy would stand to lose by widespread high-speed internet access. Of course, when you have a population as stupid as the American populace I suppose it really doesn't matter after all. I fairly sure that there are some Americans somewhere waving their flags about this BPL news, as they do for anything the government tells them to. Hardly... I see broadband as another step toward Total Information Access... RG BPL will be a god send for the FBI. All they will need to do is plug in and listen. Probably won't even need a piece of paper. Since its all over the HF spectrum anyway. So much for secure connections. Now do you all understand what is REALLY going on? Dan/W4NTI |
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 16:32:11 GMT, Dan/W4NTI wrote:
What really needs to be done is at the point of end of the line, simply go with RF. Works for cellular quite well. Small low power 'nodes'. Linked by fiber and/or wire. No RFI, better security, and a dang lot easier to run and keep working. That's what someone did in rural eastern Oregon to cover a 600 square mile area - lots of non-licensed low power Part 15 "Wi-Fi" nodes. Off-the shelf low-cost equipment for both the provider and the subscriber and no communication interference problems. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon |
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= = = ... "reasonable doubt" wrote in message . net... ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - President Bush, hunting for votes in hotly contested Sun Belt states, said Friday his administration is working toward wiring homes throughout America with high-speed Internet access by 2007. Seems rather inconsistent with his current policy though. Since Patriot Act II peeled through, I see more of a totalitarian agenda from Capitol Hill that, in good keeping with dictatorship policy would stand to lose by widespread high-speed internet access. Of course, when you have a population as stupid as the American populace I suppose it really doesn't matter after all. I fairly sure that there are some Americans somewhere waving their flags about this BPL news, as they do for anything the government tells them to. Broadband doesn't always mean BPL. You are getting confused here. Broadband can be via cable modem such as I just signed up for or even via a wireless system. Do not assume that the term Broadband, when used alone, means BPL (Broadband over Power Line). I saw the news clip and BPL was not mentioned, only Broadband. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE DDF, Liberal-Left Propaganga is NOT what Bush actually said. But the Subject HeadLine "Bush Backs Broadband" and the Twisting of the Message to "Bush Backs PBL" ~ RHF .. |
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"RadioGuy" wrote in message ... reasonable doubt wrote in message v.net... ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - President Bush, hunting for votes in hotly contested Sun Belt states, said Friday his administration is working toward wiring homes throughout America with high-speed Internet access by 2007. Seems rather inconsistent with his current policy though. Since Patriot Act II peeled through, I see more of a totalitarian agenda from Capitol Hill that, in good keeping with dictatorship policy would stand to lose by widespread high-speed internet access. Of course, when you have a population as stupid as the American populace I suppose it really doesn't matter after all. I fairly sure that there are some Americans somewhere waving their flags about this BPL news, as they do for anything the government tells them to. Hardly... I see broadband as another step toward Total Information Access... RG BPL will be a god send for the FBI. All they will need to do is plug in and listen. Probably won't even need a piece of paper. Since its all over the HF spectrum anyway. So much for secure connections. Now do you all understand what is REALLY going on? Dan/W4NTI And the average teenage hacker will have a hayday and so will the hackers stealing passwords, personsl infomation, credit card info, ect., ect. |
RHF wrote:
= = = "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message = = = ... "reasonable doubt" wrote in message v.net... ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - President Bush, hunting for votes in hotly contested Sun Belt states, said Friday his administration is working toward wiring homes throughout America with high-speed Internet access by 2007. Seems rather inconsistent with his current policy though. Since Patriot Act II peeled through, I see more of a totalitarian agenda from Capitol Hill that, in good keeping with dictatorship policy would stand to lose by widespread high-speed internet access. Of course, when you have a population as stupid as the American populace I suppose it really doesn't matter after all. I fairly sure that there are some Americans somewhere waving their flags about this BPL news, as they do for anything the government tells them to. Broadband doesn't always mean BPL. You are getting confused here. Broadband can be via cable modem such as I just signed up for or even via a wireless system. Do not assume that the term Broadband, when used alone, means BPL (Broadband over Power Line). I saw the news clip and BPL was not mentioned, only Broadband. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE DDF, Liberal-Left Propaganga is NOT what Bush actually said. But the Subject HeadLine "Bush Backs Broadband" and the Twisting of the Message to "Bush Backs PBL" Since you invoked the "L" word, it is kind of strange that the methods of implementing the "universal access called for in the speech: "We ought to have universal, affordable access to broadband technology by the year 2007," Bush said in a speech focusing mostly on homeownership. "And then we ought to make sure that as soon as possible thereafter consumers have plenty of choices..." Assuming that we would have to expand the cable tv broadband system - and if there is to be universal access, this would almost certainly mean changing cable data service to a public utility. Remember that cable is at present NOT a Public utility, it cannot be forced to run it's lines where it doesn't see a profit. Supplying broadband to everyone in the country is a project similar to the electrification of rural America. And right now, there are certainly *not* plenty of choices. So it is left up to the listener to determine how the number of choices will be expanded. So to me it is a very liberal idea to even attempt universal broadband access, and since not many other choices are available for increasing the number of choices, it by default includes BPL. - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... RHF wrote: = = = "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message = = = ... "reasonable doubt" wrote in message v.net... ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - President Bush, hunting for votes in hotly contested Sun Belt states, said Friday his administration is working toward wiring homes throughout America with high-speed Internet access by 2007. Seems rather inconsistent with his current policy though. Since Patriot Act II peeled through, I see more of a totalitarian agenda from Capitol Hill that, in good keeping with dictatorship policy would stand to lose by widespread high-speed internet access. Of course, when you have a population as stupid as the American populace I suppose it really doesn't matter after all. I fairly sure that there are some Americans somewhere waving their flags about this BPL news, as they do for anything the government tells them to. Broadband doesn't always mean BPL. You are getting confused here. Broadband can be via cable modem such as I just signed up for or even via a wireless system. Do not assume that the term Broadband, when used alone, means BPL (Broadband over Power Line). I saw the news clip and BPL was not mentioned, only Broadband. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE DDF, Liberal-Left Propaganga is NOT what Bush actually said. But the Subject HeadLine "Bush Backs Broadband" and the Twisting of the Message to "Bush Backs PBL" Since you invoked the "L" word, it is kind of strange that the methods of implementing the "universal access called for in the speech: "We ought to have universal, affordable access to broadband technology by the year 2007," Bush said in a speech focusing mostly on homeownership. "And then we ought to make sure that as soon as possible thereafter consumers have plenty of choices..." Assuming that we would have to expand the cable tv broadband system - and if there is to be universal access, this would almost certainly mean changing cable data service to a public utility. Remember that cable is at present NOT a Public utility, it cannot be forced to run it's lines where it doesn't see a profit. Supplying broadband to everyone in the country is a project similar to the electrification of rural America. And most of the electrification of rural America was NOT done by the utilities. The rural residents themselves banded together and got the lines run. Once the lines were in place, then the public "futility" was happy to take over as the major expense had already been covered by someone else. And right now, there are certainly *not* plenty of choices. So it is left up to the listener to determine how the number of choices will be expanded. So to me it is a very liberal idea to even attempt universal broadband access, and since not many other choices are available for increasing the number of choices, it by default includes BPL. - Mike KB3EIA - The universal access with multiple choices means very heavy investment as now that could be construed to mean that BPL, DSL, cable, and WI-FI all need set up in our rural areas to provide those choices. Guess what! Ain't gonna happen. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dee D. Flint wrote:
And most of the electrification of rural America was NOT done by the utilities. The rural residents themselves banded together and got the lines run. Once the lines were in place, then the public "futility" was happy to take over as the major expense had already been covered by someone else. Most of the electrification of rural America was accomplished via the Rural Electrification Authority aka REA. There had to be so many houses per mile to justify the cost of running the lines and you had to be within a certain distance of the right-of-way to get service or pay for the cost of the line to be run to your residence. |
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= = = ... - - - - - S N I P - - - - - Broadband doesn't always mean BPL. You are getting confused here. Broadband can be via cable modem such as I just signed up for or even via a wireless system. Do not assume that the term Broadband, when used alone, means BPL (Broadband over Power Line). I saw the news clip and BPL was not mentioned, only Broadband. As one of the endangered species of fiscal conservatives, I wonder how this will be funded ? There are large parts of the country that will require many many miles of fiber to reach one family. - Mike KB3EIA - The Funding is already there . . . The Gore TAX for School Internet Connection. Run the Main BPL Trunk-Lines and Distribution Points to the Schools and have the Federal Government pay for that with the existing Gore TAX. WHY - BPL Broadband In Every Class Room - How Can Anyone Say NO To That ! Once Neighborhood Schools become the Distribution Points and the BPL Broadband a 'low cost' BPL Broadband "Product" can be offered within the neighborhood for home use. ~ RHF .. |
Dee D. Flint wrote:
snippage "Mike Coslo" wrote in message So to me it is a very liberal idea to even attempt universal broadband access, and since not many other choices are available for increasing the number of choices, it by default includes BPL. - Mike KB3EIA - The universal access with multiple choices means very heavy investment as now that could be construed to mean that BPL, DSL, cable, and WI-FI all need set up in our rural areas to provide those choices. Guess what! Ain't gonna happen. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Isn't that the truth! - Mike KB3EIA - |
HF spectrum anyway. So much for secure connections. Now do you all
understand what is REALLY going on? Dan/W4NTI You betcha, though it's ironic how few Americans in this "well informed" environment have any inkling as to what's actually happening in this good 'ole USofA. Reliable news feeds are available and anyone can look, but it's remarkable how few people can connect the dots. History is repeating itself. Problem is, it's only been 50 years since the fall of the Reich; way too short a time for an encore, but here we are. Read and be educated, folks... http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/index.html http://www.fromthewilderness.com/ http://www.truthout.com/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.644 / Virus Database: 412 - Release Date: 3/26/04 |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message ... The universal access with multiple choices means very heavy investment as now that could be construed to mean that BPL, DSL, cable, and WI-FI all need set up in our rural areas to provide those choices. Guess what! Ain't gonna happen. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Dee, correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't there available direct satellite internet available? As long as one has an unobstructed view to the Southwestern sky? (I subscribe to Direct TV - but use DSL as it only costs me $29.95 per month). I think it runs $49.95 per month (the same as DSL costs in Sun City, Florida). As far as broadband over powerline, we all know it isn't going to happen in rural areas. I'm really curious about those broadcasters with deep pockets and what will happen to channel 2 and 3 television. Of course, analog tv is on its' way out which will probably save BPLs real quick demise .... maybe. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.645 / Virus Database: 413 - Release Date: 3/28/04 |
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message ... The universal access with multiple choices means very heavy investment as now that could be construed to mean that BPL, DSL, cable, and WI-FI all need set up in our rural areas to provide those choices. Guess what! Ain't gonna happen. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Dee, correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't there available direct satellite internet available? As long as one has an unobstructed view to the Southwestern sky? (I subscribe to Direct TV - but use DSL as it only costs me $29.95 per month). I think it runs $49.95 per month (the same as DSL costs in Sun City, Florida). As far as broadband over powerline, we all know it isn't going to happen in rural areas. I'm really curious about those broadcasters with deep pockets and what will happen to channel 2 and 3 television. Of course, analog tv is on its' way out which will probably save BPLs real quick demise .... maybe. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA I imagine it is available in some areas. However I was attempting to make the point that it will not be economically feasible to provide the same wide variety of choices to a rural area as a metropolitan area. A rural area will be more limited in the internet access choices to pick from. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
: "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message ... The universal access with multiple choices means very heavy investment as now that could be construed to mean that BPL, DSL, cable, and WI-FI all need set up in our rural areas to provide those choices. Guess what! Ain't gonna happen. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Dee, correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't there available direct satellite internet available? As long as one has an unobstructed view to the Southwestern sky? (I subscribe to Direct TV - but use DSL as it only costs me $29.95 per month). I think it runs $49.95 per month (the same as DSL costs in Sun City, Florida). As far as broadband over powerline, we all know it isn't going to happen in rural areas. I'm really curious about those broadcasters with deep pockets and what will happen to channel 2 and 3 television. Of course, analog tv is on its' way out which will probably save BPLs real quick demise .... maybe. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA I imagine it is available in some areas. However I was attempting to make the point that it will not be economically feasible to provide the same wide variety of choices to a rural area as a metropolitan area. A rural area will be more limited in the internet access choices to pick from. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE The cheapest satellite Internet access in the US is Starband, which is $40/mo for 768k speed. However, the combined cost of equipment and setup is $600!!! This is why I still have dialup, no other broadband being available. It is possible to find the equipment used (some people sell it when they get DSL or cable in their area), but the setup fee is still $240. That's not a typo, it's $240 for setup, not $24. In my case I think both DSL and cable are available on the other side of the street! One friend suggested I should get Wi-Fi and link into one of my neighbours, paying a cut towards their broadband bill. He knows someone who linked their house with their business premises by Wi-Fi, but says they lose the connection when it rains! BPL is set to cost only about as much as DSL and maybe nothing to install. Some people would go for it just because they don't have a spare 600 bucks to buy and set up a satellite system. I would almost be tempted if it wasn't for ham radio. Cable Internet is $55/mo here. That includes $15/mo for basic cable TV, whether you want it or not. DSL is $35/mo. I am sure that some people would try BPL instead, as it doesn't need extra wires or Wi-Fi. 73 de Alun, N3KIP |
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