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Steve April 1st 04 01:12 PM

Al Franken on shortwave
 
So, will any shortwave station(s) carry programming from Al Franken's new
Liberal Radio network?

-Steve



Diverd4777 April 1st 04 02:44 PM

why, WWCR, Who else !


In article , "Steve"
writes:


So, will any shortwave station(s) carry programming from Al Franken's new
Liberal Radio network?

-Steve





[email protected] April 2nd 04 02:05 AM


I detect... sarcasm.

And, as far as I know, it's not Al Franken's network. He's just one of the
people who has a show. Janeane Garofalo and Randi Rhodes are but two of
the other notables.

It's a breath of fresh air, that's for sure. There are too many Rush
Limbaughs and Sean Hannity's as it is.

(Diverd4777) wrote in news:20040401084446.05715.00000096
@mb-m25.aol.com:

why, WWCR, Who else !


In article , "Steve"
writes:


So, will any shortwave station(s) carry programming from Al Franken's new
Liberal Radio network?

-Steve


T. Early April 2nd 04 05:21 AM


wrote in message
. 105.130...

I detect... sarcasm.

And, as far as I know, it's not Al Franken's network. He's just one

of the
people who has a show. Janeane Garofalo and Randi Rhodes are but

two of
the other notables.

It's a breath of fresh air, that's for sure. There are too many

Rush
Limbaughs and Sean Hannity's as it is.


Actually, there's one Limbaugh and one Hannity AFAIK--but it's
possible the vast right wing conspiracy has cloned them, encased them
in pods, and sent them to radio stations around the country.

I believe that Chuck D is another one of the "notables" on lib-radio.
In fact, they have so many notables they they actually have had to buy
stations (or is it buy time on stations?) to get these shows carried.
So the analogy to short-wave isn't as far fetched as it seems. Since
the left generally doesn't have much use for market forces, it seems
kind of appropriate.





N8KDV April 2nd 04 02:39 PM



"T. Early" wrote:

wrote in message
. 105.130...

I detect... sarcasm.

And, as far as I know, it's not Al Franken's network. He's just one

of the
people who has a show. Janeane Garofalo and Randi Rhodes are but

two of
the other notables.

It's a breath of fresh air, that's for sure. There are too many

Rush
Limbaughs and Sean Hannity's as it is.


Actually, there's one Limbaugh and one Hannity AFAIK--but it's
possible the vast right wing conspiracy has cloned them, encased them
in pods, and sent them to radio stations around the country.


Another fellow I like is Neil Boortz... his program originates from WSB in
Atlanta, and he has some syndication across the country.


Stinger April 2nd 04 03:25 PM


"N8KDV" wrote in message
...


"T. Early" wrote:

wrote in message
. 105.130...

I detect... sarcasm.

And, as far as I know, it's not Al Franken's network. He's just one

of the
people who has a show. Janeane Garofalo and Randi Rhodes are but

two of
the other notables.

It's a breath of fresh air, that's for sure. There are too many

Rush
Limbaughs and Sean Hannity's as it is.


Actually, there's one Limbaugh and one Hannity AFAIK--but it's
possible the vast right wing conspiracy has cloned them, encased them
in pods, and sent them to radio stations around the country.


Another fellow I like is Neil Boortz... his program originates from WSB in
Atlanta, and he has some syndication across the country.


Neil Boortz is a great program. He's the only one I heard railing against
the misuse of "eminent domain" powers, in which townships force property
owners to sell so a structure that generates more tax revenue could be built
there.

-- Stinger



David April 2nd 04 06:09 PM

Like when George Bush got his baseball stadium?

On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:25:15 -0600, "Stinger"
wrote:


"N8KDV" wrote in message
...


"T. Early" wrote:

wrote in message
. 105.130...

I detect... sarcasm.

And, as far as I know, it's not Al Franken's network. He's just one
of the
people who has a show. Janeane Garofalo and Randi Rhodes are but
two of
the other notables.

It's a breath of fresh air, that's for sure. There are too many
Rush
Limbaughs and Sean Hannity's as it is.


Actually, there's one Limbaugh and one Hannity AFAIK--but it's
possible the vast right wing conspiracy has cloned them, encased them
in pods, and sent them to radio stations around the country.


Another fellow I like is Neil Boortz... his program originates from WSB in
Atlanta, and he has some syndication across the country.


Neil Boortz is a great program. He's the only one I heard railing against
the misuse of "eminent domain" powers, in which townships force property
owners to sell so a structure that generates more tax revenue could be built
there.

-- Stinger



UJ April 3rd 04 06:28 PM

In a genuinely competetive free market situation, this new liberal
network wouldn't last more than a few weeks. However, I suspect that
it is being backed financially by some deep pocketed extremists who
have a socialist agenda that is more important to them than financial
profits. Poor ratings, which are nearly certain, will have no bearing
on the network's longevity. This is all theory, mind you,and only time
will tell.
But as an example, take the WNBA. Most of us have no interest in
watching a bunch of hairy butch looking women pretending to be top
notch athletes on television. If you happen to tune in to one of their
games, you'll notice that the stands in the stadium are predominantly
empty. And the seats that aren't empty are freebies given out by radio
stations and such to "lucky callers" and retarded school children.
There is no way that the WNBA is making a profit, yet unlike its male
counterparts, the old WFL and more recent USFL, it's still in
existence. Why? Because it is just one element of the "equal rights"
agenda that the leftists who own the TV networks have been beating us
over the head with for decades. They trying to brainwash the consuming
masses, through their obviously unprofitable ventures such as the
WNBA,women's boxing, etc.,into accepting as fact that females are
physically equal to males. Well,in reality, they are not. Nor are
Franken and Garafolo equal to Limbaugh and Hannity.
MB



David wrote in message . ..
Like when George Bush got his baseball stadium?

On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:25:15 -0600, "Stinger"
wrote:


"N8KDV" wrote in message
...



"T. Early" wrote:

wrote in message
. 105.130...

I detect... sarcasm.

And, as far as I know, it's not Al Franken's network. He's just one

of the
people who has a show. Janeane Garofalo and Randi Rhodes are but

two of
the other notables.

It's a breath of fresh air, that's for sure. There are too many

Rush
Limbaughs and Sean Hannity's as it is.


Actually, there's one Limbaugh and one Hannity AFAIK--but it's
possible the vast right wing conspiracy has cloned them, encased them
in pods, and sent them to radio stations around the country.

Another fellow I like is Neil Boortz... his program originates from WSB in
Atlanta, and he has some syndication across the country.


Neil Boortz is a great program. He's the only one I heard railing against
the misuse of "eminent domain" powers, in which townships force property
owners to sell so a structure that generates more tax revenue could be built
there.

-- Stinger


Michael Bryant April 3rd 04 06:39 PM

From: (UJ)

In a genuinely competetive free market situation, this new liberal
network wouldn't last more than a few weeks. However, I suspect that
it is being backed financially by some deep pocketed extremists who
have a socialist agenda that is more important to them than financial
profits.


Is anyone else laughing as hard as I am over this nonsense. Rich socialists
throwing away their money??

Maybe it is possible that wealthy capitlaists and Americans are tired of the
hate being spread daily on the AM frequencies by the right. I'll try to keep
from labeling them as Nazis, but that makes as much sense as calling Democrats
socialists.


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N8KDV April 3rd 04 06:41 PM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: (UJ)


In a genuinely competetive free market situation, this new liberal
network wouldn't last more than a few weeks. However, I suspect that
it is being backed financially by some deep pocketed extremists who
have a socialist agenda that is more important to them than financial
profits.


Is anyone else laughing as hard as I am over this nonsense. Rich socialists
throwing away their money??

Maybe it is possible that wealthy capitlaists and Americans are tired of the
hate being spread daily on the AM frequencies by the right. I'll try to keep
from labeling them as Nazis, but that makes as much sense as calling Democrats
socialists.


But that is exactly what they are. They advocate taking from those who have, and
giving to those who have not.



Mike Terry April 3rd 04 06:45 PM

Which shortwave stations carry this to Europe please? Sounds interesting?

Mike


"UJ" wrote in message
om...
In a genuinely competetive free market situation, this new liberal....






Michael Bryant April 3rd 04 06:48 PM

From: N8KDV

But that is exactly what they are. They advocate taking from those who have,
and
giving to those who have not.


So Jesus was a socialist?

Robin Hood?


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
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N8KDV April 3rd 04 06:52 PM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: N8KDV


But that is exactly what they are. They advocate taking from those who have,
and
giving to those who have not.


So Jesus was a socialist?

Robin Hood?


If that is what they advocated, then yes, they were socialists.

Hard for you to understand Ft Boy?



T. Early April 3rd 04 06:58 PM


"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From: (UJ)


In a genuinely competetive free market situation, this new liberal
network wouldn't last more than a few weeks. However, I suspect

that
it is being backed financially by some deep pocketed extremists who
have a socialist agenda that is more important to them than

financial
profits.


Is anyone else laughing as hard as I am over this nonsense. Rich

socialists
throwing away their money??

Maybe it is possible that wealthy capitlaists and Americans are

tired of the
hate being spread daily on the AM frequencies by the right. I'll try

to keep
from labeling them as Nazis, but that makes as much sense as calling

Democrats
socialists.



Yet further devaluation of the word "hate." I'm wondering at what
point this term became co-opted as a an all-purpose slur on those with
whom the left disagrees. Given the invectives hurled at Bush on a
daily basis from that side of the spectrum, it's particularly ironic.

The first poster's comments are not that far-fetched. Airamerica is
being bankrolled--the buying of stations and/or air time without
regard to market demand--by wealthy liberals--although I doubt they
qualify as socialists. I don't have a problem with that, but let's
not confuse this, at least not yet, with the marketplace at work. Of
course a lot of people would have trouble admitting that those dang
ol' rich conservatives aren't the only people in this country who use
their dollars to influence opinion.



N8KDV April 3rd 04 06:59 PM



"T. Early" wrote:

"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From: (UJ)


In a genuinely competetive free market situation, this new liberal
network wouldn't last more than a few weeks. However, I suspect

that
it is being backed financially by some deep pocketed extremists who
have a socialist agenda that is more important to them than

financial
profits.


Is anyone else laughing as hard as I am over this nonsense. Rich

socialists
throwing away their money??

Maybe it is possible that wealthy capitlaists and Americans are

tired of the
hate being spread daily on the AM frequencies by the right. I'll try

to keep
from labeling them as Nazis, but that makes as much sense as calling

Democrats
socialists.



Yet further devaluation of the word "hate." I'm wondering at what
point this term became co-opted as a an all-purpose slur on those with
whom the left disagrees. Given the invectives hurled at Bush on a
daily basis from that side of the spectrum, it's particularly ironic.

The first poster's comments are not that far-fetched. Airamerica is
being bankrolled--the buying of stations and/or air time without
regard to market demand--by wealthy liberals--although I doubt they
qualify as socialists. I don't have a problem with that, but let's
not confuse this, at least not yet, with the marketplace at work. Of
course a lot of people would have trouble admitting that those dang
ol' rich conservatives aren't the only people in this country who use
their dollars to influence opinion.


Right on!



Michael Bryant April 3rd 04 07:02 PM

From: N8KDV

From: N8KDV


But that is exactly what they are. They advocate taking from those who

have,
and
giving to those who have not.


So Jesus was a socialist?

Robin Hood?


If that is what they advocated, then yes, they were socialists.

Hard for you to understand Ft Boy?


Nope, not at all. Your idiocy is crystal clear.


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
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Llgpt April 3rd 04 07:06 PM

Subject: Al Franken on shortwave
From: "T. Early"
Date: 4/3/2004 11:58 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From:
(UJ)

In a genuinely competetive free market situation, this new liberal
network wouldn't last more than a few weeks. However, I suspect

that
it is being backed financially by some deep pocketed extremists who
have a socialist agenda that is more important to them than

financial
profits.


Is anyone else laughing as hard as I am over this nonsense. Rich

socialists
throwing away their money??

Maybe it is possible that wealthy capitlaists and Americans are

tired of the
hate being spread daily on the AM frequencies by the right. I'll try

to keep
from labeling them as Nazis, but that makes as much sense as calling

Democrats
socialists.



Yet further devaluation of the word "hate." I'm wondering at what
point this term became co-opted as a an all-purpose slur on those with
whom the left disagrees. Given the invectives hurled at Bush on a
daily basis from that side of the spectrum, it's particularly ironic.

The first poster's comments are not that far-fetched. Airamerica is
being bankrolled--the buying of stations and/or air time without
regard to market demand--by wealthy liberals--although I doubt they
qualify as socialists. I don't have a problem with that, but let's
not confuse this, at least not yet, with the marketplace at work. Of
course a lot of people would have trouble admitting that those dang
ol' rich conservatives aren't the only people in this country who use
their dollars to influence opinion.



"The first poster's comments are not that far-fetched. Airamerica is
being bankrolled--the buying of stations and/or air time without
regard to market demand--by wealthy liberals"


And Limbaugh's and Hannity's aren't being bankrolled by wealthy Republicans? I
refrain from using the conservative word, as the majority of republicans are
not conservative.

Just wondering.................

Les



N8KDV April 3rd 04 07:07 PM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: N8KDV


From: N8KDV


But that is exactly what they are. They advocate taking from those who

have,
and
giving to those who have not.


So Jesus was a socialist?

Robin Hood?


If that is what they advocated, then yes, they were socialists.

Hard for you to understand Ft Boy?


Nope, not at all. Your idiocy is crystal clear.


Crystal clear.... Hmmmmmmmmm... did you clean your bong today?

The fact is, you are a convicted drug user... we have no reason to believe
anything you say...

Nor are we under any obligation to do so.

The students you ostensibly 'teach' should be provided with the 'facts' so
that they themselves can make up their own minds.



Michael Bryant April 3rd 04 07:16 PM

From: N8KDV

Crystal clear.... Hmmmmmmmmm... did you clean your bong today?


Are you longing to drink the bong water, again, Steve?

The fact is, you are a convicted drug user... we have no reason to believe
anything you say...


Be careful with that reasoning. Bush has been convicted of DUI and there's
excellent evidence that he did community service related to finding a white
powdery substance....

Nor are we under any obligation to do so.


Just as your bias, bigotry and rudeness put us under no obligation to listen to
you.

The students you ostensibly 'teach' should be provided with the 'facts' so
that they themselves can make up their own minds.


Do you want to come in and deliver a rebuttal? It might be interesting to have
you do so. Contact me if you're interested. My boss is a former commander at Ft
Knox, so you two should have a lot to talk about! His specialty area was human
relations - he probably busted a few folks like you right out of the armed
services!

He would have had a field day with Fort!

Cheers,



Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
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N8KDV April 3rd 04 07:24 PM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: N8KDV


Crystal clear.... Hmmmmmmmmm... did you clean your bong today?


Are you longing to drink the bong water, again, Steve?


Again?

The fact is, you are a convicted drug user... we have no reason to believe
anything you say...


Be careful with that reasoning. Bush has been convicted of DUI and there's
excellent evidence that he did community service related to finding a white
powdery substance....


Can you document that with some 'credible' evidence Fat Boy?

Do you want to come in and deliver a rebuttal? It might be interesting to have
you do so. Contact me if you're interested. My boss is a former commander at Ft
Knox, so you two should have a lot to talk about! His specialty area was human
relations - he probably busted a few folks like you right out of the armed
services!


A few folks like me Fat Boy? I was never 'busted' out of the Armed Services.

If anything, he'd be busting you! You are a convicted drug user!

I have three Honourable Discharges...

....you got any?


Stinger April 3rd 04 07:27 PM


"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
But that is exactly what they are. They advocate taking from those who

have,
and
giving to those who have not.


So Jesus was a socialist?


No.

Jesus never advocated "taking." He advocated "giving."

-- Stinger




Michael Bryant April 3rd 04 07:31 PM

From: N8KDV

I have three Honourable Discharges...


Had a hard time adjusting to civilian life, right?

I bet they say Honorable, not "honourable,"
right?


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Michael Bryant April 3rd 04 07:33 PM

From: "Stinger"

Jesus never advocated "taking." He advocated "giving."


He also advocated paying your taxes.

He advocated helping the needy.



Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
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GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
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N8KDV April 3rd 04 07:33 PM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: N8KDV


I have three Honourable Discharges...


Had a hard time adjusting to civilian life, right?

I bet they say Honorable, not "honourable,"
right?


Yes indeed they do... but that's their spelling, not mine.

You got a problem with that Mr. Communications Degree?

The question is and was Fat Boy, do you have any 'Honorable Discharges'?



Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)



Stinger April 3rd 04 07:34 PM


"Llgpt" wrote in message
...
SNIP

And Limbaugh's and Hannity's aren't being bankrolled by wealthy

Republicans? I
refrain from using the conservative word, as the majority of republicans

are
not conservative.

Just wondering.................

Les


LOL! You really don't get it, do you Les! It's called "Capitalism."

ADVERTISERS bankroll Limbaugh and Hannity, because they have audiences in
the millions of listeners.

"Bankrolling" is something these pathetic liberals are doing with THEIR
network.

Now, if I were to post like one of the liberals here, this is the point
where I'd tell you that you're dumber than a stump, but I'm above that.
Just read and learn.

;^)

-- Stinger




N8KDV April 3rd 04 07:36 PM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: "Stinger"


Jesus never advocated "taking." He advocated "giving."


He also advocated paying your taxes.


So in other words, if some government entity taxes the crap out of us we
should just pay it because your 'mythical figure' Jesus said so?

Give me a break Fat Boy.

He advocated helping the needy.


Nothing wrong with that Fat Boy... that's just something any good human
being does, regardless of 'Jesus'.



Michael Bryant April 3rd 04 07:37 PM

From: N8KDV

The question is and was Fat Boy, do you have any 'Honorable Discharges'?


I guess you'd have to ask my toilet.


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
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N8KDV April 3rd 04 07:39 PM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: N8KDV


The question is and was Fat Boy, do you have any 'Honorable Discharges'?


I guess you'd have to ask my toilet.


Only your sick mind could come up with that!



T. Early April 3rd 04 07:46 PM


"Llgpt" wrote in message
...
Subject: Al Franken on shortwave
From: "T. Early"


"The first poster's comments are not that far-fetched. Airamerica

is
being bankrolled--the buying of stations and/or air time without
regard to market demand--by wealthy liberals"


And Limbaugh's and Hannity's aren't being bankrolled by wealthy

Republicans? I
refrain from using the conservative word, as the majority of

republicans are
not conservative.

Just wondering.................

Les

Limbaugh and Hannity (and lesser lights such as Savage) are advertiser
supported. I have no idea whether those who support the programs with
advertising dollars are Republicans or Democrats, but I suspect that
there are at least some of the latter. It's not quite the same thing
as what is going on at Air America, at least for the time being, where
AFAIK stations have actually been purchased or segments of time bought
for the express purpose of getting the hosts on the air without regard
to receiving commercial advertising in return. To me, the latter is
actually closer to the shortwave "model."



Michael Bryant April 3rd 04 07:48 PM

From: N8KDV

The question is and was Fat Boy, do you have any 'Honorable Discharges'?


I guess you'd have to ask my toilet.


Only your sick mind could come up with that!


Well you have the sick mind that seems to place so much emphasis on
"discharges."


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

N8KDV April 3rd 04 07:49 PM



"T. Early" wrote:

"Llgpt" wrote in message
...
Subject: Al Franken on shortwave
From: "T. Early"


"The first poster's comments are not that far-fetched. Airamerica

is
being bankrolled--the buying of stations and/or air time without
regard to market demand--by wealthy liberals"


And Limbaugh's and Hannity's aren't being bankrolled by wealthy

Republicans? I
refrain from using the conservative word, as the majority of

republicans are
not conservative.

Just wondering.................

Les

Limbaugh and Hannity (and lesser lights such as Savage) are advertiser
supported. I have no idea whether those who support the programs with
advertising dollars are Republicans or Democrats, but I suspect that
there are at least some of the latter. It's not quite the same thing
as what is going on at Air America, at least for the time being, where
AFAIK stations have actually been purchased or segments of time bought
for the express purpose of getting the hosts on the air without regard
to receiving commercial advertising in return. To me, the latter is
actually closer to the shortwave "model."


You are 100% correct. Air America at the present time is not driven by
advertiser revenue.

That may indeed change, time will tell. But if history holds true, Air
America will fail.



Michael Bryant April 3rd 04 07:50 PM

From: N8KDV

So in other words, if some government entity taxes the crap out of us we
should just pay it because your 'mythical figure' Jesus said so?


Jesus was not a mythical figure. His life and death are both historically
documented. Learning a little more about what this real person had to say while
he was on this planet might do wonders for that surly personality of yours,
Steve.


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
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Michael Bryant April 3rd 04 07:51 PM

From: N8KDV

He advocated helping the needy.


Nothing wrong with that Fat Boy... that's just something any good human
being does, regardless of 'Jesus'.


Document the last time you helped the needy, Steve. Does that mean that you're
admitting you're not a good human being?

Like the answer isn't crystal clear....
Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
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GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
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N8KDV April 3rd 04 07:52 PM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: N8KDV


So in other words, if some government entity taxes the crap out of us we
should just pay it because your 'mythical figure' Jesus said so?


Jesus was not a mythical figure. His life and death are both historically
documented. Learning a little more about what this real person had to say while
he was on this planet might do wonders for that surly personality of yours,
Steve.


Sorry, there is no contemporary record that shows that that particular 'Jesus'
actually lived.





N8KDV April 3rd 04 07:56 PM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: N8KDV


He advocated helping the needy.


Nothing wrong with that Fat Boy... that's just something any good human
being does, regardless of 'Jesus'.


Document the last time you helped the needy, Steve. Does that mean that you're
admitting you're not a good human being?


We're not talking about me today Fat Boy... we're talking about YOU!

Document whether or not you've ever shared drugs with others.

Document whether you've ever sold drugs, or not sold drugs.



Like the answer isn't crystal clear....
Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
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Michael Bryant April 3rd 04 08:05 PM

From: N8KDV

Sorry, there is no contemporary record that shows that that particular
'Jesus'
actually lived.


Is there any historical proof that Jesus existed?

The ancient historical record provides examples of writers, philosophers and
historians who lived during or not long after the time Jesus is believed to
have lived and who testify to the fact that he was a real person. We will look
at what some of these people have said.

Cornelius Tacitus

Tacitus lived from A.D. 55 to A.D. 120. He was a Roman historian and has been
described as the greatest historian of Rome, noted for his integrity and moral
uprightness. His most famous works are the Annals and the Histories. The Annals
relate the historical narrative from Augustus’ death in A.D.14 to Nero’s
death in A.D. 68. The Histories begin their narrative after Nero’s death and
finish with Domitian’s death in A.D. 96. In his section describing Nero’s
decision to blame the fire of Rome on the Christians, Tacitus affirms that the
founder of Christianity, a man he calls Chrestus (a common misspelling of
Christ, which was Jesus’ surname), was executed by Pilate, the procurator of
Judea during the reign of the Roman emperor Tiberias. Tacitus was hostile to
Christianity because in the same paragraph he describes Christus’ or
Christ’s death, he describes Christianity as a pernicious superstition. It
would have therefore been in his interests to declare that Jesus had never
existed, but he did not, and perhaps he did not because he could not without
betraying the historical record.

Lucian of Samosata

Lucian was a Greek satirist of the latter half of the second century. He
therefore lived within two hundred years of Jesus. Lucian was hostile to
Christianity and openly mocked it. He particularly objected to the fact that
Christians worshipped a man. He does not mention Jesus’ name, but the
reference to the man Christians worship is a reference to Jesus.

Suetonius

Suetonius was a Roman historian and a court official in Emperor Hadrian’s
government. In his Life of Claudius he refers to Claudius expelling Jews from
Rome on account of their activities on behalf of a man Suetonius calls Chrestus
[another misspelling of Christus or Christ].

Pliny the Younger

Pliny was the Governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor (AD. 112). He was responsible
for executing Christians for not worshipping or bowing down to a statue of the
emperor Trajan. In a letter to the emperor Trajan, he describes how the people
on trial for being Christians would describe how they sang songs to Christ
because he was a god.

Thallus and Phlegon

Both were ancient historians and both confirmed the fact that the land went
dark when Jesus was crucified. This parallels what the Bible said happened when
Jesus died.

Mara Bar-Serapion

Some time after 70 A.D., Mara Bar-Sarapion, who was probably a Stoic
philosopher, wrote a letter to his son in which he describes how the Jews
executed their King. Claiming to be a king was one of the charges the religious
authorities used to scare Pontius Pilate into agreeing to execute Jesus.

Josephus

Josephus was a Jewish historian who was born in either 37 or 38 AD and died
some time after 100 AD. He wrote the Jewish Antiquites and in one famous
passage described Jesus as a wise man, a doer of wonderful works and calls him
the Christ. He also affirmed that Jesus was executed by Pilate and actually
rose from the dead!

The four Gospels

The four Gospels are the four accounts of Jesus’ life, which are contained in
the New Testament part of the Bible. Historians will tell you that the closer
an historical document is written to the time of the events it describes, the
generally more reliable it is as a source of information about those events.
Matthew’s Gospel account of Jesus’ life is now reckoned to have been
written sometime between AD 70 and AD 80. Mark’s Gospel is dated between AD.
50 and AD. 65. Luke’s Gospel is dated in the early AD 60s and John’s Gospel
sometime between AD 80 and 100. If Jesus died sometime in the AD 30s, it is
clear that Mark, Luke and Matthew wrote their Gospels within living memory of
Jesus’ death. John’s Gospel comes later and probably outside of living
memory for most as John lived to an unusually old age for the ancient period,
but the accuracy of his Gospel was verified no doubt by those who read the
earlier Gospels.

Another feature of the Gospels is that they were written by men who either knew
Jesus personally, or who knew people who themselves knew Jesus personally.
Matthew was a former tax collector who became a disciple of Jesus. Mark was a
close associate of Simon Peter, who is regarded as being Jesus’ most
prominent disciple whilst Jesus was on the earth. Luke was a close associate of
Paul who is the most famous of Christian missionaries and who wrote the largest
contribution to the New Testament. Paul, in turn, was a close colleague of
Simon Peter. John was the former fisherman who became the closest disciple of
Jesus. The accounts of such men need to be considered at least seriously!

Steve, open your eyes!

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Michael Bryant April 3rd 04 08:40 PM

From: "Stinger"

Here we are, presented with the abundance of evidence of your own, personal
ignorance, yet you choose to indicte the entire state.


Gee, Stinger, I never saw you making this response to Steve Lare when he was
running through his Kentucky insults.

Consistency, right?

BTW, there's no "e" on the end of indict.


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N8KDV April 3rd 04 08:47 PM



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: "Stinger"


Here we are, presented with the abundance of evidence of your own, personal
ignorance, yet you choose to indicte the entire state.


Gee, Stinger, I never saw you making this response to Steve Lare when he was
running through his Kentucky insults.

Consistency, right?

BTW, there's no "e" on the end of indict.


And that's the best Bryant can do... he has 'some kind of degree' in
Communications...



Michael Bryant April 3rd 04 08:54 PM

From: N8KDV

And that's the best Bryant can do... he has 'some kind of degree' in
Communications...


Nope, not a single degree in communicationS.

Now, you might want to try the field of speech communication, which is only
tangentially related to the fields of broadcasting communicationS or mass media
communicationS

But, as usual, your lobotomy seems to be getting in the way...


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Volker Tonn April 3rd 04 08:58 PM



N8KDV schrieb:


Document whether...


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