David wrote:

The people who think the government is doing a good job aren't the
type who are likely to read anything.

;-)





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Frank....here's a good link on tropical bands past and present.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/chrisbran...bands____part_
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"Bob" wrote in message
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The 40 years of the Cold War was the time of the greatest number of SW
stations on the air. The propaganda war raged constantly until the
fall of the Iron Curtain.
The war is pretty much over and the need for the propaganda
organs is just not there. Voice of Russia is still on the air with a
(usually) strong signal and is much less strident than the old Radio
Moscow. It is worth a listen for an alternate perspective.
I too, miss the "Golden Days". Gone is the thumping Latin beat
on RRadio RRhumbos, a station that introduced me to S.American music.
Too much has gone , I suspect forever. (Sniff, sniff--tear on cheek.)
Bob

Well, I don't miss the golden days of stations packed in sholder to
sholder,
utility transmitters on SW broadcast bands, high power jammers and the
Soviet woodpecker.

I'll agree about the tropical band stations, though. Most of 'em are
gone,
and I did like hearing them.

Frank Dresser

Frank Dresser

Sorry.....Here is the right link.....

members.lycos.co.uk/chrisbrand1977/id24.htm

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Frank....here's a good link on tropical bands past and present.


http://members.lycos.co.uk/chrisbran...bands____part_
one__by_chris

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"Bob" wrote in message
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The 40 years of the Cold War was the time of the greatest number of SW
stations on the air. The propaganda war raged constantly until the
fall of the Iron Curtain.
The war is pretty much over and the need for the propaganda
organs is just not there. Voice of Russia is still on the air with a
(usually) strong signal and is much less strident than the old Radio
Moscow. It is worth a listen for an alternate perspective.
I too, miss the "Golden Days". Gone is the thumping Latin beat
on RRadio RRhumbos, a station that introduced me to S.American music.
Too much has gone , I suspect forever. (Sniff, sniff--tear on cheek.)
Bob

Well, I don't miss the golden days of stations packed in sholder to
sholder,
utility transmitters on SW broadcast bands, high power jammers and the
Soviet woodpecker.

I'll agree about the tropical band stations, though. Most of 'em are
gone,
and I did like hearing them.

Frank Dresser

Frank Dresser

In article
. rogers.com,
"Pierre L" wrote:

Somewhat the same situation is going on now in photography, with the growing
popularity of digital. However, I think the same arguments against can be
made as with shortwave. If it's digital, it's somewhat exclusive to those
who can pay, and it requires a fairly steep investment in equipment that is
rapidly superceded. It might be better in performance, but to keep up with
it, the user pretty much becomes a slave to the technology. Shortwave, on
the other hand, just needs a cheap receiver, and it's free for the taking.
Just like an expensive digital camera gives you the picture but takes all
the fun out of actually taking it, satellite radio is good, and just a
button press away, but is there any fun in it? Where's the fun in listening
to "radio" on the internet?

Hopefully, radio will not become like TV, where the good programming is only
available to those who can and are willing to pay for satellite or digital
cable services.

Personally, I find this trend profoundly disturbing... entertainment for the
affluent.

By the way, as has already happened twice to me in the five years, when the
power goes out, so does all that digital junk. But radio still works as long
as you have batteries on hand. Broadcast radio got me through 7 days of no
electricity. There was no TV, no cells phones, no internet. It seems to me
that if shortwave and ordinary broadcast radio did not exist at this time,
we would have to invent it, because you can't rely on anything digital being
there when you need it. During the power failure in the east last summer, I
was on my way somewhere in the car. I couldn't make it because, with no
traffic lights, it was gridlock everywhere. Cellphones were out too. But AM
radio was on, and within less than half an hour, anyone with an AM radio
could know what was going on. Was it a big terrorist attack? No, just a
power failure. But I knew that because as I was sitting in the gridlock, the
radio in my car worked fine. I never thought about it much before the two
big power failures that affected me directly, but I like broadcast AM and
shortwave just as it is.

I want to wrap this up by saying that, in terms of things that you can
actually listen to, I find shortwave is better now than it has ever been. I
don't see a decline at all. If anything, it's the opposite.



These are very good points! Because of the cheap receivability of analog
shortwave, I assume it will continue to be broadcast for many years yet,
though with signals increasingly aimed at just the third world.

For the casual listener like me, this does not auger well. I've always
liked those big broadcasters because you could easily receive them on
the cheap radios and small antennas I've always had. What are some
stations/shows that you listen to that make shortwave now better than
it's ever been?

Leonard

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tommyknocker wrote in message ...
I was just thinking about this today. Has anybody noticed that shortwave
radio has really declined over the past five years or so? We've lost BBC
and Deutsche Welle transmissions to North America, we've lost several
smaller European broadcasters entirely, other stations have drastically
cut back. Are transmitting facilities really going on the blink so soon
after the end of the cold war? Or has everybody jumped on the BBC's
bandwagon and concluded that satellite and internet broadcasting has
replaced shortwave? Any thoughts?

4 or 5 years ago my brother and I bought my father a grundig 800. He
is a ww2 vet, Navy signalman and loved to listen to morse. He had
always asked me if I was interested in SW and at the time being
possesed by the internet I thought it (SW) was a dying interest only
taken to by guys like my dad. Well as ill health has taken much of
his mobility he gave me the 800 (about 4 mos ago). Well to cut to
the chase I now have my own little mini-shack next to my pc and I'm
loving it. To work the dials in the dark of the late evening,
pulling in some radio broadcast from the other side of the planet is
something I find hard to explain! My once flat and clean Passport now
dogeared and smudged attest to my late hours. I don't listen to any
sw from the net as I kind of want to keep it the way it is. My father
by the way most vicariously shares my "new" found interest. Sure
things will change over time...I have,,good listening RN

Here's a question. Back in the late 1930s-early 1940s many homes had
big console radios with standard broadcast AM and a couple of shortwave
bands. Table radios with shortwave bands were abundant too. Was there
really a lot of shortwave listening going on in that time period?
Or did manufacturers put shortwave into radios as sort of a "luxury"
feature? (or way to one-up your neighbors)
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On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 19:17:04 -0500, R Neutron wrote
(in message ):

tommyknocker wrote in message
...
I was just thinking about this today. Has anybody noticed that shortwave
radio has really declined over the past five years or so? We've lost BBC
and Deutsche Welle transmissions to North America, we've lost several
smaller European broadcasters entirely, other stations have drastically
cut back. Are transmitting facilities really going on the blink so soon
after the end of the cold war? Or has everybody jumped on the BBC's
bandwagon and concluded that satellite and internet broadcasting has
replaced shortwave? Any thoughts?

4 or 5 years ago my brother and I bought my father a grundig 800. He
is a ww2 vet, Navy signalman and loved to listen to morse. He had
always asked me if I was interested in SW and at the time being
possesed by the internet I thought it (SW) was a dying interest only
taken to by guys like my dad. Well as ill health has taken much of
his mobility he gave me the 800 (about 4 mos ago). Well to cut to
the chase I now have my own little mini-shack next to my pc and I'm
loving it. To work the dials in the dark of the late evening,
pulling in some radio broadcast from the other side of the planet is
something I find hard to explain! My once flat and clean Passport now
dogeared and smudged attest to my late hours. I don't listen to any
sw from the net as I kind of want to keep it the way it is. My father
by the way most vicariously shares my "new" found interest. Sure
things will change over time...I have,,good listening RN


If your Dad likes a particular type of broadcast - as opposed to chasin' DX -
you might think of recording some of what he likes.

/gray//

"R Neutron" wrote in message 4 or 5 years ago my
brother and I bought my father a grundig 800. He
is a ww2 vet, Navy signalman and loved to listen to morse. He had
always asked me if I was interested in SW and at the time being
possesed by the internet I thought it (SW) was a dying interest only
taken to by guys like my dad. Well as ill health has taken much of
his mobility he gave me the 800 (about 4 mos ago). Well to cut to
the chase I now have my own little mini-shack next to my pc and I'm
loving it. To work the dials in the dark of the late evening,
pulling in some radio broadcast from the other side of the planet is
something I find hard to explain! My once flat and clean Passport now
dogeared and smudged attest to my late hours. I don't listen to any
sw from the net as I kind of want to keep it the way it is. My father
by the way most vicariously shares my "new" found interest. Sure
things will change over time...I have,,good listening RN

Yep its just plain fun and you never know what you will find in the ether.
SW fuels the imagination unlike any other medium and when it is gone nothing
will ever replace it.
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Was there really a lot of shortwave listening going on in that time period?


I recall in the Thirties that the people with real jobs had serious aerials on
their roofs. But I also recall that all I heard, from out on a sidewalk, were
MW stations broadcasting Stella Dallas and other soaps. G In the evening, we
kids would take over and listen to The Lone Ranger, Captain Midnight, et al.

When I was 15 (1945), I sometimes substituted on my sister's baby sitting job.
The homeowner had a big floor Zenith. My ex-WU op mom had already taught me
wire Morse, so I became fascinated by the radio code I heard thumping wartime
stuff on shortwave. (Sigh...) That got me interested in going for my ham
ticket. (I got it in 1947.)

73,
Bill, K5BY

This reminds me... The speakers in those old radios had electromagnets. The
larger coil around the cone's coil doubled as a filter choke in the power
supply.

Replacing one of those speakers with a perm mag jobbie required also installing
a smoothing choke for the power supply.

But those old speakers did have punch.

Bill, K5BY