Air America in SF Bay Area
 

They don't mention when.....

From the San Jose Mercury News 04/09/2004

AIR AMERICA IN BAY AREA: Air America, the liberal talk network, will take
over two Asian-language stations in San Francisco and San Jose -- but the
date hasn't been confirmed.

The liberal network was originally scheduled to start April 15, but a news
release issued Thursday did not specify the date and no confirmation was
available.

The network did say it would be heard in English on San Jose's KVVN-AM
(1430) and San Francisco's KVTO-AM (1400) both of which now broadcast in
Chinese and Korean. The stations are owned by the Inner City Communications
Corp., which also owns San Francisco's KBLX-FM (102.9).

With 24-hours-a-day of liberal programming, including comedian-author Al
Franken, rapper Chuck D and actress Janeane Garofalo, it is a response to
Rush Limbaugh and conservative talkers who dominate the medium now. Air
America began broadcasting last month.

"-=jd=-" wrote in message
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On Sat 10 Apr 2004 01:56:08a, "jaycee"
wrote in
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They don't mention when.....

From the San Jose Mercury News 04/09/2004

AIR AMERICA IN BAY AREA: Air America, the liberal talk network,
will
take over two Asian-language stations in San Francisco and San
Jose --
but the date hasn't been confirmed.


It would appear to me that, if one of their stated goals is to
influence
(where possible) the upcoming Presidential election, wouldn't two
stations
in San Fran be "Preaching To The Choir", writ large?



Definitely, but I suspect they realize that getting some ratings
courtesy of the members of the choir is also an important goal in the
early stages. In any event , it's a more achievable goal than having
Chuck D influence the election.

Quoth "-=jd=-" in :

It would appear to me that, if one of their stated goals is to influence
(where possible) the upcoming Presidential election, wouldn't two stations
in San Fran be "Preaching To The Choir", writ large?

The two stations simulcast, covering different areas around the city.

And judging from what I read on ba.broadcast, even with two stations,
they'll be preaching to a relatively small choir.

See http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KVVN&service=AM&status=L&hours=D
and http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KVTO&service=AM&status=L&hours=U
for some idea of their coverage.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

Can I have a hit of whatever you're smoking? Those 2 stations seem to
cover the entire bay area.

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 20:25:00 +0000 (UTC), Tom Betz
wrote:

Quoth "-=jd=-" in :

It would appear to me that, if one of their stated goals is to influence
(where possible) the upcoming Presidential election, wouldn't two stations
in San Fran be "Preaching To The Choir", writ large?

The two stations simulcast, covering different areas around the city.

And judging from what I read on ba.broadcast, even with two stations,
they'll be preaching to a relatively small choir.

See http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KVVN&service=AM&status=L&hours=D
and http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KVTO&service=AM&status=L&hours=U
for some idea of their coverage.

In article ,
Tom Betz wrote:

Quoth "-=jd=-" in
:

It would appear to me that, if one of their stated goals is to influence
(where possible) the upcoming Presidential election, wouldn't two stations
in San Fran be "Preaching To The Choir", writ large?

The two stations simulcast, covering different areas around the city.

And judging from what I read on ba.broadcast, even with two stations,
they'll be preaching to a relatively small choir.

See
http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KVVN&service=AM&status=L&hours=D
and
http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KVTO&service=AM&status=L&hours=U
for some idea of their coverage.

Nice radio station locator link with coverage map. Thanks Tom

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
Tom Betz wrote:

Quoth "-=jd=-" in
:

It would appear to me that, if one of their stated goals is to
influence
(where possible) the upcoming Presidential election, wouldn't two
stations
in San Fran be "Preaching To The Choir", writ large?

The two stations simulcast, covering different areas around the city.

And judging from what I read on ba.broadcast, even with two stations,
they'll be preaching to a relatively small choir.

See
http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KVVN&service=AM&status=L&hours=D
and
http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KVTO&service=AM&status=L&hours=U
for some idea of their coverage.

Nice radio station locator link with coverage map. Thanks Tom

Remember that the radio-locator.com maps are labeled as "for entertainment
purpose only" and the inner of the circles or contours is still an
exaggeration of the real, consistent city coverage.

The two stations mentioned cover well only about 40% or less of the San
Francisco metro radio market.

"David" wrote in message
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Can I have a hit of whatever you're smoking? Those 2 stations seem to
cover the entire bay area.

The radio-locator maps are, well, generous.

The San Francisco metro runs from Santa Rosa to Campbell, and east into the
valley. Those two stations only cover a fraction of the area in reality.

Quoth "David Eduardo" in
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"David" wrote in message
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Can I have a hit of whatever you're smoking? Those 2 stations seem to
cover the entire bay area.

The radio-locator maps are, well, generous.

That's being optimistic. In my experience with them, pretty much except for
the powerhouses, only the indicated local area is anything like listenable.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

In article ,
Tom Betz wrote:

Quoth "David Eduardo" in
. com:

"David" wrote in message
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Can I have a hit of whatever you're smoking? Those 2 stations seem to
cover the entire bay area.

The radio-locator maps are, well, generous.

That's being optimistic. In my experience with them, pretty much except for
the powerhouses, only the indicated local area is anything like listenable.

This site is flat file data base on: Call sign, Frequency, Transmitter
distance to you, City, Owner and format. It also has links to the
stations web sites if they have one.

I have already found it to be very handy for reprogramming the car radio.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"David Eduardo" wrotf:

The radio-locator maps are, well, generous.

Generous coverage maps are a hallowed industry tradition.

Recently Larry Woods brought in some copies of Broadcast Digest from the
early '30s. This was a TV Guide sort of publication featuring stories and
program listings for west coast AM stations.

One of the biggest station advertisers was KJBS--then licensed at 100 watts
from that famous transmitter on Pine Street. "Generous" doesn't being to
describe the coverage map in their ads. (Although it's worth pointing out
that the best receivers of that time, connected to external long wire
antennas and confronted with a relatively unpopulated band, ran sensitivity
rings around most modern AM consumer sets.)

Of note is that their morning show was "The Alarm Clock Club"that early. It
was still called that in the '50s when Frank Cope was the popular jock.

Don Sherwood de-throned him.

Norm Howard

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:36:44 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:

Remember that the radio-locator.com maps are labeled as "for entertainment
purpose only" and the inner of the circles or contours is still an
exaggeration of the real, consistent city coverage.

The Radio-Locator.com maps are basically only good for getting a
rough, general idea of where the station might cover (notice I said
MIGHT).

It does not account for such things as terrain, AM radio band
electrical noise or below-average performance by the station's
equipment...not to mention interference from stations in other cities,
and first and second adjacent station interference.

For example, though looking at the map you might expect to be able to
pick up a faint signal from KVTO/1400 near the Sacramento area,
reality is that second adjacent 5KW KTKZ/1380 Sacramento would wipe
out most traces of KVTO anywhere near Sacramento, even on the best of
radios.

The two stations mentioned cover well only about 40% or less of the San
Francisco metro radio market.

They cover the "preaching to the choir" area, as it's been called...
SF/Berkeley/Oakland and other areas that might be considered receptive
to their programming.

KVTO, 1400khz, doesn't traverse into Sactown as well as former predecessor &
jazz legend KRE, "creative radio", did several decades ago!

I don't see how this can be true. The licensed facilities are the same.
Maybe the replacement tower (on which KFRC is diplexed) changed the
propagation?

Experts?

Norm Lehfeldt

(elg110254) wrotf:

KVTO, 1400khz, doesn't traverse into Sactown as well as former predecessor &
jazz legend KRE, "creative radio", did several decades ago!

"norml" wrote in message
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I don't see how this can be true. The licensed facilities are the same.
Maybe the replacement tower (on which KFRC is diplexed) changed the
propagation?

Experts?

Norm Lehfeldt

(elg110254) wrotf:

KVTO, 1400khz, doesn't traverse into Sactown as well as former
predecessor &
jazz legend KRE, "creative radio", did several decades ago!


Part of the problem is that the noise level is many dB higher now than it
was several decades ago, and the receivers no where near as good. (for
AMBCB). Many people have gone to using fluorescent lighting in the name of
saving some money, and there are many more modern conveniences that generate
RF noise (these need not be in your home to affect the noise floor in your
receiver). These include, but are not limited to, computers/monitors, light
dimmers, coffee makers, digital clocks, microwave ovens, etc..

Most significant though is the receivers today are inferior to those back
then. AM is pretty much an afterthought in anything but a car radio anymore.
Home receivers' AM sections are next to worthless, unless you own something
like a Carver TX-11a or 11b. An onld AA5 table radio was ten times the radio
that the AM sections in most home receivers are. For starters, home stereos
don't even use a tuned antenna for AM anymore, just a broadband input
section with a simple bandpass filter.