"Frank Dresser" wrote in message ...
"Lawrence H. Bulk" wrote in message
om...

Don't you miss the good old days when all you had to do to hear the
communist countries was to tune almost anywhere on the dial and hear
about the "US imperialists and their lackeys and running dogs?"

Now it seems all we get is the "Hallelujah" boys ("Hallelujah, send me
money!").

Lawrence


The communists were evangelists with a different theology.

Frank Dresser

The communist countries were on the air with a political agenda which
could be argued (successfully, by our side, as it has turned out).
(Everyone on the air has some agenda; that's why they're on the air.)
(Even I have an agenda!) The communist broadcasters were nice to the
individual listeners, not only never asking for anything (except for
you to listen), but actually sending you gifts and information (some
of it interesting) about their countries.

The so-called "religious" broadcasters have, in my opinion, a very
evil agenda. They espouse a subject which cannot be argued (no one
ever "wins" a religious argument; look how many have been killed in
the attempt) and constantly ask overtly and covertly for MONEY (which
is used for more broadcasts to ask for more money, ad infinitum). Can
you imagine a "religious broadcaster" sending you anything without
asking for something in return? The amount you are asked to send is
always much more than the value of the trinket he sends you! (They are
masters in the art of making people feel guilty if they don't send
money!) Incidentally, if the broadcaster is successful in fooling
enough gullible people to send him their money, he can manage to live
rather a lavish lifestyle, according to his wishes, whether it be
Mercedes-Benzes, BMW's, or young women at his beck-and-call in his
"compound."

Anyone who thinks he or she can "buy" his/her way into "heaven" (or
that these so-called "holy men" will help them do so) is, in my
opinion, very foolish.

Their "shows" aren't even entertaining!

I don't wish to impugn any sincere religious person (I am one myself)
and there have been some decent religious broadcasters (HCJB for one);
I can only hope that the current crop of so-called "holy men" get off
the shortwaves and take to the internet where we in the hobby can
easily ignore them.

Of course, maybe I'm in the wrong profession. Maybe I should become a
"religious broadcaster." After all, my lifestyle won't be complete
until I have a Watkins-Johnson WJ-8711A and a tower antenna. A very
tall tower.

Hallelujah! Anybody want to send me money?

Lawrence

"Lawrence H. Bulk" wrote in message
om...

The communist countries were on the air with a political agenda which
could be argued (successfully, by our side, as it has turned out).


Arguements didn't run down the communist countries, it was containment and
economics.


(Everyone on the air has some agenda; that's why they're on the air.)
(Even I have an agenda!) The communist broadcasters were nice to the
individual listeners, not only never asking for anything (except for
you to listen), but actually sending you gifts and information (some
of it interesting) about their countries.

Of course they were nice. They were nice to anyone they weren't pointing a
gun at, or under their jackboots.



The so-called "religious" broadcasters have, in my opinion, a very
evil agenda. They espouse a subject which cannot be argued (no one
ever "wins" a religious argument; look how many have been killed in
the attempt)


Look how many people have died argueing with the Communists and Nazis in the
previous century! Not just in warfare, but in internal supression!!

No SW broadcaster Hall of Fame would be complete without Mao, Stalin and
Hitler!

This year Fidel Castro will kill more people to keep ahold of power than
Doctor Scott.


and constantly ask overtly and covertly for MONEY (which
is used for more broadcasts to ask for more money, ad infinitum). Can
you imagine a "religious broadcaster" sending you anything without
asking for something in return?


Many religious broadcasters send free literature. They do usually request,
not demand, money, as they don't have their own source of involuntary
revenue. Religious broadcasters also have no way of keeping donors inside
their religions, unlike the emigration restrictions and the Berlin wall of
the communist countries.


The amount you are asked to send is
always much more than the value of the trinket he sends you!


Brother Stair's radios and satellite receivers aren't a bad deal. But
Brother Stair makes no small scams.


(They are
masters in the art of making people feel guilty if they don't send
money!)

They should try harder. I don't send money, and I listen without guilt!


Incidentally, if the broadcaster is successful in fooling
enough gullible people to send him their money, he can manage to live
rather a lavish lifestyle, according to his wishes, whether it be
Mercedes-Benzes, BMW's, or young women at his beck-and-call in his
"compound."

Didn't Fidel Castro make the Forbes 500?


Anyone who thinks he or she can "buy" his/her way into "heaven" (or
that these so-called "holy men" will help them do so) is, in my
opinion, very foolish.

That's hardly unique to religion. Fool/Money/Parted.


Their "shows" aren't even entertaining!


The are very entertaining!!



I don't wish to impugn any sincere religious person (I am one myself)
and there have been some decent religious broadcasters (HCJB for one);
I can only hope that the current crop of so-called "holy men" get off
the shortwaves and take to the internet where we in the hobby can
easily ignore them.

They're on the internet! They're on TV! They're in the newspapers!
They're on the radio! They're everywhere ideas are presented. And they
will be, as long as the First Amendment is around.



Of course, maybe I'm in the wrong profession. Maybe I should become a
"religious broadcaster." After all, my lifestyle won't be complete
until I have a Watkins-Johnson WJ-8711A and a tower antenna. A very
tall tower.


I think most of the scam religious broadcasters are wannabees. Be careful
you don't end up standing at an intersection carrying a sign reading "Will
Preach for Food".



Hallelujah! Anybody want to send me money?

Not me!



Lawrence

Frank Dresser

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message ...
"Lawrence H. Bulk" wrote in message
om...

The communist countries were on the air with a political agenda which
could be argued (successfully, by our side, as it has turned out).


Arguments didn't run down the communist countries, it was containment and
economics.

Information and education were really what brought down the
communists. I met some individuals from Czechoslovakia and Hungary
during the "cold war" and while they had some potent arguments for the
merits of their system, their failings, once exposed to them and to
their people, outweighed any advantages their system might have
offered. Once their people really knew about the outside world, they
themselves brought down their governments and their failed system.

"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the
others."

Were the communists a scourge of mankind? Of course they were
(20,000,000 Russians killed by Stalin, among other atrocities), but
their system at least started out with some noble purpose. It just
worked out exactly the opposite of what its founders envisioned.

(This is a poor point here in this argument, but how many Americans
[native, black, etc.] have been killed with the tacit acceptance of
the government?)

The "religious" broacasters have no noble purpose. Just MONEY.


Anyone who thinks he or she can "buy" his/her way into "heaven" (or
that these so-called "holy men" will help them do so) is, in my
opinion, very foolish.

That's hardly unique to religion. Fool/Money/Parted.

But these "religious" broadcasters prey (no pun intended) on it. That
is their sole (again, no pun ...) reason for existence.


Their "shows" aren't even entertaining!

They are very entertaining!!

Maybe they give you a good laugh but I can tell you that, among other
things, they are ruining the shortwave hobby (as well as being
inherently evil). I have given shortwave receivers as gifts to four
individuals, three youngsters and one adult. I have shown them how to
use these radios, as much as one can do in an hour or two. After a
month or somewhat more, they all had the same complaint: nothing but
"religious" shows on shortwave. Sure I tell them where to tune, but
the complaint persists. No shortwave converts here. Regardless of what
anyone says or even believes, this ("religious" broadcasts), more than
anything else I can think of, is very damaging to the hobby, in my
opinion. These hucksters are not interested in shortwave, or even,
again in my opinion, in true religious beliefs. They only want MONEY!

Sorry for the diatribe, but I really feel strongly about this. I love
listening to the shortwaves for the fun of it (there is still
something magical about it that the internet can never replace) and
for the information it brings about countries that I shall never have
the opportunity to visit. Are the opinions biased? Certainly they are,
but all human opinions are biased in one way or another. At least
these foreign broadcasts have mostly a decent purpose behind them,
whether or not you believe in their system (I have no use whatsoever
for Fidel Castro, but look at the record: he has outlasted nine US
presidents [and who knows, he may outlast George W. Bush]. If there
have been any assassination attempts by his own people against him, I
am unaware of them. (Of course they wouldn't make that a headline on
Radio Havana!) You and I don't like him, all the refugees don't
either, but maybe some of his people do!

I have just as much contempt for the "religious" broadcasters as I do
for Castro.

Again my apologies. You certainly have every right to believe the way
you do (and you don't need my "permission" to do so).

Lawrence

In article ,
(Lawrence H. Bulk) wrote:

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...
"Lawrence H. Bulk" wrote in message
om...

Don't you miss the good old days when all you had to do to hear the
communist countries was to tune almost anywhere on the dial and hear
about the "US imperialists and their lackeys and running dogs?"

Now it seems all we get is the "Hallelujah" boys ("Hallelujah, send me
money!").

Lawrence


The communists were evangelists with a different theology.

Frank Dresser

The communist countries were on the air with a political agenda which
could be argued (successfully, by our side, as it has turned out).
(Everyone on the air has some agenda; that's why they're on the air.)
(Even I have an agenda!) The communist broadcasters were nice to the
individual listeners, not only never asking for anything (except for
you to listen), but actually sending you gifts and information (some
of it interesting) about their countries.

The so-called "religious" broadcasters have, in my opinion, a very
evil agenda. They espouse a subject which cannot be argued (no one
ever "wins" a religious argument; look how many have been killed in
the attempt) and constantly ask overtly and covertly for MONEY (which
is used for more broadcasts to ask for more money, ad infinitum). Can
you imagine a "religious broadcaster" sending you anything without
asking for something in return? The amount you are asked to send is
always much more than the value of the trinket he sends you! (They are
masters in the art of making people feel guilty if they don't send
money!) Incidentally, if the broadcaster is successful in fooling
enough gullible people to send him their money, he can manage to live
rather a lavish lifestyle, according to his wishes, whether it be
Mercedes-Benzes, BMW's, or young women at his beck-and-call in his
"compound."

Anyone who thinks he or she can "buy" his/her way into "heaven" (or
that these so-called "holy men" will help them do so) is, in my
opinion, very foolish.

Their "shows" aren't even entertaining!

snip

Oh boy! You are going to have to answer to Frank Dresser for that one.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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says...

I'm wondering how many of you out there still have your copy of
'Quotations From Chairman Mao Tse Tung' that was sent out by Radio
Peking years ago?

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

I have Marx's "The Communist Manifesto" and "Das Kapital"; does
that count?

How's your credibility, btw?

FW

Frank White wrote:

In article ,
says...

I'm wondering how many of you out there still have your copy of
'Quotations From Chairman Mao Tse Tung' that was sent out by Radio
Peking years ago?

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

I have Marx's "The Communist Manifesto" and "Das Kapital"; does
that count?

How's your credibility, btw?

No, those are not copies of Mao's book.

In article ,
says...



Frank White wrote:

In article ,
says...

I'm wondering how many of you out there still have your copy of
'Quotations From Chairman Mao Tse Tung' that was sent out by Radio
Peking years ago?

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

I have Marx's "The Communist Manifesto" and "Das Kapital"; does
that count?

No, those are not copies of Mao's book.

Ah. My bad.

How's your credibility, btw?

....

Still no response on that point, I see.

"Then my eyes were stabbed
by the flash of a neon light;
split the night.
And broke the sound... of silence."

FW

Frank White wrote:

In article ,
says...



Frank White wrote:

In article ,
says...

I'm wondering how many of you out there still have your copy of
'Quotations From Chairman Mao Tse Tung' that was sent out by Radio
Peking years ago?

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

I have Marx's "The Communist Manifesto" and "Das Kapital"; does
that count?

No, those are not copies of Mao's book.

Ah. My bad.

How's your credibility, btw?

Pretty damn good as far as I know!

How's yours?

In article ,
says...



Frank White wrote:

snip

How's your credibility, btw?

Pretty damn good as far as I know!

How's yours?

Better than yours, I think.

Much better.

Let's cut to the chase here. You said that my
suggestion (that Duyba may have run into the
Air Forces' HUMAN RELIABIILTY PROGRAM and that's
why his military records are incomplete, leading
to charges he was AWOL) was untrue. And basically
you called me a liar.

I responded by provided cites from - and a URL to -
a newspaper article from a fairly reputable paper
saying exactly the same thing as I had. I also
pointed out that even a cursory search of Google
("human reliablity program' air force) indicated
that the program did exist and did functioned as
outlined in the article.

You shut up at that point. But silence isn't
enough. I need you to either specify why you
said my original statement was untrue so that
I can expand my knowledge on this subject and be
able to reach an informed decision. Or I need a
'Oops' from you.

That's it.

All I want.

I don't get either, that tells me all I need to
know regarding the true state of your credibility.
And whether I regard you as a vauled fellow poster
or a troll.

Your move.

FW

PS: Shortwave

I have Marx's "The Communist Manifesto" and "Das Kapital";

Ah, "Das Kapital", the 2nd best selling book in history.