I heard someone on shortwave recently mention "Death by Medicine" and
thought it might be a play on a report I read some time back entitled
"Death by Doctoring". I decided to do a Google search for "Death by
Medicine" and got hundreds of hits - over 700.

I went to the first one on the list and read a brief report linked to
the bottom of that first page. Part of that report follows:

"Number of physicians in the US = 700,000
Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year = 120,000
Accidental deaths per physician = 0.171

Number of gun owners in the US = 80,000,000
Number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) = 1,500
Accidental deaths per gun owner = 0.0000188

Therefore, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun
owners. "

Oh, the URL: http://www.mercola.com/2000/may/14/doctor_accidents.htm

Al

Al Patrick wrote:

"Number of physicians in the US = 700,000
Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year = 120,000
Accidental deaths per physician = 0.171

Number of gun owners in the US = 80,000,000
Number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) = 1,500
Accidental deaths per gun owner = 0.0000188

Therefore, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than
gun owners. "

Al

That's great: You just proved that surgery is more dangerous than walking
down the street. I had no idea!

--
Brian Denley
http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html

Brian,

Who said that all of it was "surgery" ? You are the only one who used
that term. Some is misdiagnosis. Some is accidentally giving the wrong
medications. I'm sure there are other factors.

Al

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Brian Denley wrote:

Al Patrick wrote:


"Number of physicians in the US = 700,000
Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year = 120,000
Accidental deaths per physician = 0.171

Number of gun owners in the US = 80,000,000
Number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) = 1,500
Accidental deaths per gun owner = 0.0000188

Therefore, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than
gun owners. "


Al


That's great: You just proved that surgery is more dangerous than walking
down the street. I had no idea!

Al Patrick wrote:

Accidental deaths per physician = 0.171
Accidental deaths per gun owner = 0.0000188
Therefore, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun
owners.

A peversely false analogy, because doctor-caused deliberate killings are
very few, while gun-related non-accidental fatalities are extremely
numerous, as any big-city resident can tell you.

All this is off-topic, but gun-nuts should be screwed down every time they
get loose.

--
Anti-Spam address: my last name at his dot com
Charles Gillen -- Reston, Virginia, USA

Interesting, is there a programme on shortwave about this please?

Regards

Mike


"Charles Gillen" wrote in message
...
Al Patrick wrote:

Accidental deaths per physician = 0.171
Accidental deaths per gun owner = 0.0000188
Therefore, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun
owners.

A peversely false analogy, because doctor-caused deliberate killings are
very few, while gun-related non-accidental fatalities are extremely
numerous, as any big-city resident can tell you.

All this is off-topic, but gun-nuts should be screwed down every time they
get loose.

--
Anti-Spam address: my last name at his dot com
Charles Gillen -- Reston, Virginia, USA

In article ,
"Mike Terry" wrote:

Interesting, is there a programme on shortwave about this please?

Regards

Mike

I have listened to a number of programs related to medicine. I didn't
know you were a program listener.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Mike Terry" wrote in message
...
Interesting, is there a programme on shortwave about this please?

Regards

Mike




Yes! In fact, the "Doctors will kill you" topic is hard to avoid on US
domestic shortwave radio. There are several almost literate hosts who
dedicate their shows to exposing the evils of established medical practice.
Most of the antiestablished medicine hosts are kinda boring and unmemorable.
However, among them was one of SW radio's greatest conspiranoics, Len
Horowitz D.D.S. Dr. Len insisted that hospitals were infiltrated by the
Nazi Party wing of the New World Order. These Nazi MDs were murdering
people so the Illuminati could steal their victim's property. And let's not
forget Dr. Len's opposite number, Tom Valentine, who's been selling right
wing antisemitic theories, along with the pills and health nostrums, for
over a thousand years.

Well, Tom Valentine sounds like he's at least thousand years old.

Frank Dresser

Charles Gillen wrote:

A peversely false analogy, because doctor-caused deliberate killings are
very few,

No one used the word DELIBERATE except you. Does it really matter if it
is deliberate or not -- if you're dead?


All this is off-topic,

If you will recall this is rec.radio.shortwave and I was reporting what
I had heard on short wave radio and THEN proceeded to follow it up with
a web search, since shortwave radio doesn't have a rewind or instant
replay button. ;-)

Al

CG,

"because doctor-caused deliberate killings are very few,"

It's called ABORTION and Yes it is 'Infant-cide' which is
.. . . a fancy word for "Murder" plain and simple.
http://www.euthanasia.com/usstat.html

In the USofA Doctors KILL over One Million (1,000,000)
innocent babies every year by performing ABORTIONS.
http://www.euthanasia.com/usstat.html


Just the Facts ~ RHF
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= = = Charles Gillen wrote in message
= = = ...
Al Patrick wrote:

Accidental deaths per physician = 0.171
Accidental deaths per gun owner = 0.0000188
Therefore, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun
owners.

A peversely false analogy, because doctor-caused deliberate killings are
very few, while gun-related non-accidental fatalities are extremely
numerous, as any big-city resident can tell you.

All this is off-topic, but gun-nuts should be screwed down every time they
get loose.

Thanks. The facts as presented, I'm reasonably certain, did not even
take into account the 1,000,000 to 1,500,000 totally innocent unborn
babies DELIBERATELY murdered every year. I didn't even consider that
when presenting the material, or replying to the referenced comment.

Al

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RHF wrote:

CG,

"because doctor-caused deliberate killings are very few,"

It's called ABORTION and Yes it is 'Infant-cide' which is
. . . a fancy word for "Murder" plain and simple.
http://www.euthanasia.com/usstat.html

In the USofA Doctors KILL over One Million (1,000,000)
innocent babies every year by performing ABORTIONS.
http://www.euthanasia.com/usstat.html


Just the Facts ~ RHF