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"Brian Hill" wrote in message ... I finally saw more pics of this stuff. I had only seen the guy on a box tied to wires before. The rest of the pics look like hazing. Humiliating the prisoners for kicks. Nothing deadly or torturous? Defiantly adolescent behavior. I need more info to determine if this was torture? I checked in at the Drudgereport, and there's a summation of the Army's internal report at the New Yorker website: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact Frank Dresser |
"Brian Hill" wrote in message ... True. I guess I hate to see their lives ruined over this stupid behavior. There I said it. Brian But it's more than merely stupid behavior. These stories create distrust with America at the worst possible time, and will be used as a recruting and motovational tool by our enemies. Frank Dresser |
On Sun, 02 May 2004 22:36:04 GMT, "Frank Dresser"
wrote: "Brian Hill" wrote in message ... True. I guess I hate to see their lives ruined over this stupid behavior. There I said it. Brian But it's more than merely stupid behavior. These stories create distrust with America at the worst possible time, and will be used as a recruting and motovational tool by our enemies. Frank Dresser Good...it's time we had it out with them. Tracy |
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... "Brian Hill" wrote in message ... True. I guess I hate to see their lives ruined over this stupid behavior. There I said it. Brian But it's more than merely stupid behavior. These stories create distrust with America at the worst possible time, and will be used as a recruting and motovational tool by our enemies. Frank Dresser I read more at the link you gave me Frank. They were having a ball with them allright. Its kinda like letting the fox watch the hen house though. It doesn't surprise me at all. But like jd said "they stepped in it" now their in trouble. -- 73 Brian ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire! Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/ |
Brian Hill wrote:
Jd I don't disagree with anyone that its wrong and your points are well taken. But if your looking for a way to stop this from ever happening . Well you know. This thing about human rights in war is a funny thing too me. It seems we are always held to some moral standard that our enemies could care less about. I always hear people saying things like " If we treat their prisoners right they will be more compelled to treat ours good. That's bull****! Every enemy we ever faced was ruthless and only cared about wining. Most peoples opinion of war comes from what they see or hear in the news and that's a cleaned up polished version of what it really is. I think if some of you witnessed the real face of war your opinions would change. People just seem so surprised. They would be real surprised if they new all that goes on in war. I don't condone the treatment of these prisoners, they were abused, but far from tortured, however you can bet they would be happy to have the honor of flying aircraft into some more US buildings, killing thousands like 9/11, they would even be happy to fly one into MB's or any other US citizen's house. |
"Brian Hill" wrote in message ... I read more at the link you gave me Frank. They were having a ball with them allright. Its kinda like letting the fox watch the hen house though. It doesn't surprise me at all. But like jd said "they stepped in it" now their in trouble. Yeah, it looks like all the media coverage is rooted in General Taguba's report. If I'm getting the dates from the news story correctly, General Karpinski was suspended in January. So none of the prision pictures and stories relate to anything which has happened recently. Frank Dresser |
"JJ" wrote in message I don't condone the treatment of these prisoners, they were abused, but far from tortured, however you can bet they would be happy to have the honor of flying aircraft into some more US buildings, killing thousands like 9/11, they would even be happy to fly one into MB's or any other US citizen's house. This is one of those catch 22 issues. On one hand you have to go against this behavior because of the political aspect and on the other it was performed on those that would kill us if they had a chance. I don't condone it either but it doesn't bother me that they were humiliated. I could have turned a blind eye if I was there. I guess it my Viking blood. :) -- 73 Brian ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire! Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/ |
Michael Bryant wrote:
From: helmsman I'm thinking they would kill our people if given the chance. We should have taken NO prisoners in the first place and exterminated there military when we had the chance. Yes, one would expect you to advocate extermination. Won't the archives show that you used to preach that very same advocacy against minorities here in the US? Has the war simply given you some other place to focus your desire for extermination of some category of humans? The future will show that Islam and the rest of the world are not compatable. |
Bill Everhart wrote: On Sun, 02 May 2004 17:15:16 -0400, N8KDV wrote: Michael 'I lied about my PhD' Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV Why does he do it? Because he's an academic, and they are predisposed to Marxist/Socialist thought. It's just that simple. Yes, all teachers get together once a week to plot the overthrow of this nation. More ridiculous **** from this NG's most ridiculous moron. He needs to be arrested and interred. Hopefully, someday, that will happen. Yes, you are certainly a Patriot Act-type of guy. Screw free speech. Support Bush or die seems to be your motto. He may not realise it, but it's folks just like him who pose the greatest threat this country has ever seen. Hey,, you certainly don't realize that fools like yourself are doing more to give the terrorists a victory than you are capable of realizing. Destroying our Constitutional freedoms plays directly into their hands. We are in the midst of fighting what will probably wind up being WWIII and we have treasonous *******s like him still running around. Yes, if we follow the lead of morons, like yourself, we shall certainly end up in WW3. But that's what you really want, right? Wake up America. Yes, wake up and see the neo-cons for exactly what they represent. More fabrications from the Fat Boy! . No. They are some damn good points you should argue against. But you're too busy discharging. How much do you weigh anyway? Less than the Fat Boy! |
"JJ" wrote in message The future will show that Islam and the rest of the world are not compatable. That is my belief also. There way to radical and ignorant. Its like Hitler's youth over there |
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"Michael Bryant" wrote in message ... From: N8KDV Why does he do it? Because he's an academic, and they are predisposed to Marxist/Socialist thought. It's just that simple. Yes, all teachers get together once a week to plot the overthrow of this nation. More ridiculous **** from this NG's most ridiculous moron. Um, Steve wrote it, not you. He needs to be arrested and interred. Hopefully, someday, that will happen. Yes, you are certainly a Patriot Act-type of guy. Screw free speech. Support Bush or die seems to be your motto. And just how has the Patriot Act negatively affected you? I thought so. He may not realise it, but it's folks just like him who pose the greatest threat this country has ever seen. Hey,, you certainly don't realize that fools like yourself are doing more to give the terrorists a victory than you are capable of realizing. Destroying our Constitutional freedoms plays directly into their hands. You cant be much more wrong than that. We are in the midst of fighting what will probably wind up being WWIII and we have treasonous *******s like him still running around. Yes, if we follow the lead of morons, like yourself, we shall certainly end up in WW3. But that's what you really want, right? This IS WW3 stupid. Wake up America. Yes, wake up and see the neo-cons for exactly what they represent. We all know what your ilk represent commie. |
"Bill Everhart" wrote in message ... No. They are some damn good points you should argue against. But you're too busy discharging. How much do you weigh anyway? Damn good? Riiiight. How much does Steve weigh? Are you looking for a date or something. |
MWB - More Liberal Distortions and Lies from the Left.
MWB - So Now it is Clear that you are a Member in Good Standing of the "IH*3" Political Cadre. I Hate - Bush ! I Hate - Americans ! I Hate - America ! MWB - Seems you have 'earned' your "PHD" and are truly a Petty Heartless Dummy. wmcis ~ RHF .. .. = = = ocom (Michael Bryant) wrote in message = = = ... From: helmsman Good, now it's time for them to get back to killing the enemy! It seems that they are killing many more innocent women and children than insurgents. Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nojunk" to reply) |
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On Tue, 04 May 2004 21:01:19 -0400, Tracy Fort wrote:
On 4 May 2004 17:54:49 -0700, (Richard Cranium) wrote: I think I understand now, Steve: Anyone that disagrees with you is a "retard"? I guess that you the retard Dick! Tracy Let me fix that... I guess that makes you the retard Dick! That's better! I hate to give Bryant something to rag about. Tracy |
"-=jd=-" wrote in message ... If given a level playing field, those POW's may well readily seek to kill our people. The hard truth is that the situation they were in was not a level playing field. They were POW's detained under our control and responsibility and we should handle them according to our standards. And, no - I'm not advocating giving them a level playing field - I'm advocating that those bad-apples are held strictly accountable for their actions. [snip] There's a news story about one of the prisoners in the pictures. The short version is: He was tortured under Saddam's regime because one of his cousins was linked to an assissination plot against one of Saddam's sons. He ended up in US custody because he was a passenger in a stolen taxi and was arrested with the driver. He was held for months without being questioned about the stolen taxi. He got into a fight with another prisoner, and it was decided he needed four hours of punishment. Punishment by humiliation. His image is among the widely circulated pictures of naked men. "Abed is mentioned in the United States' military's internal investigation report. He's described as a credible witness. He's also a devout Muslim." http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4900337/ Frank Dresser |
MWB,
"America's for real partiots," {Patriots} More Lies and Distortion by the Liberal Left Socialist. [ only those who criticize america are the real patriots ] MWB - You are simply a LACKY of the Liberal Left Socialist. [ At 'best' you mite be a Political Cadre in the Army of the OWELS. ] "One World" 'according' to MWB - NOT ! ~ RHF .. .. = = = ocom (Michael Bryant) wrote in message = = = ... From: helmsman Put a sock in it tard! If you won't back this country, get out! Let's see you try to force me out, sockpuppet. America's for real partiots, not you neo-con armchair warriors. Take a hike, yerself! Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nojunk" to reply) |
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