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Let's debate: Should Amateur Radio be made a free for all?
I think that since Morse Code is old, but not completely useless, I feel it
should no longer be made to be learned to gain access to the HF bands. Do I feel that Amateur Radio be made a free for all? No, it should not. There should be a test, but not a really hard test, but not a easy one either. I'll even admit, I'll never get a new Icom 7800, at $10,000.00 - I'll be lucky to maybe get a used 706 at about 400 or 500 or so. Lloyd Davies - Time Lord and Talk show host "On the Domestic Front" http://groups.yahoo.com/group/domesticfront/ |
Lloyd Davies - wrote:
I think that since Morse Code is old, but not completely useless, I feel it should no longer be made to be learned to gain access to the HF bands. The work required to get that ham ticket is the only thing keeping it from turning into a repeat of the Citizens Band fiasco. There would be a huge increase in the number of retards on the airways. Keep the requirements where they are. New recruits are needed, but that is another problem entirely. A good start would be informing young people in junior high about the hobby. Communicating with cubs/brownies Girl Guide and Scout troops would help too. There must be many more sources of recruits. I have a feeling the kids aren't being reached and there aren't enough coming in to replace all the geezers who are croaking. mike |
Behold, m II signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:
Lloyd Davies - wrote: I think that since Morse Code is old, but not completely useless, I feel it should no longer be made to be learned to gain access to the HF bands. The work required to get that ham ticket is the only thing keeping it from turning into a repeat of the Citizens Band fiasco. There would be a huge increase in the number of retards on the airways. Restrict them to 80 or send them to 2, with the rest of the fruit salads ;-) Keep the requirements where they are. New recruits are needed, but that is another problem entirely. A good start would be informing young people in junior high about the hobby. Communicating with cubs/brownies Girl Guide and Scout troops would help too. There must be many more sources of recruits. Good plan! -- Gregg *It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd* http://geek.scorpiorising.ca |
On Thu, 06 May 2004 04:17:29 GMT, m II
wrote: Lloyd Davies - wrote: I think that since Morse Code is old, but not completely useless, I feel it should no longer be made to be learned to gain access to the HF bands. The work required to get that ham ticket is the only thing keeping it from turning into a repeat of the Citizens Band fiasco. There would be a huge increase in the number of retards on the airways. Keep the requirements where they are. New recruits are needed, but that is another problem entirely. A good start would be informing young people in junior high about the hobby. Communicating with cubs/brownies Girl Guide and Scout troops would help too. There must be many more sources of recruits. I have a feeling the kids aren't being reached and there aren't enough coming in to replace all the geezers who are croaking. mike WOW! I amaze myself! I agree 100% with you. Tracy |
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"Lloyd Davies - The Time Lord " wrote in message ... I think that since Morse Code is old, but not completely useless, I feel it should no longer be made to be learned to gain access to the HF bands. Do I feel that Amateur Radio be made a free for all? No, it should not. There should be a test, but not a really hard test, but not a easy one either. I'll even admit, I'll never get a new Icom 7800, at $10,000.00 - I'll be lucky to maybe get a used 706 at about 400 or 500 or so. After about 18 years of listening and talking on the ham bands I don't think knowing CW has ANYTHING to do with the quality of any operator. Many of the QRMers and trouble makers in ham radio are Extra Class ops. I easily passed the 20 WPM code test and really don't see the point. Yes, there should be written exams. DeWayne K9KZ Lloyd Davies - Time Lord and Talk show host "On the Domestic Front" http://groups.yahoo.com/group/domesticfront/ |
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"Michael Bryant" wrote in message ... From: "MnMikew" Your such an ahole. It's "you're such an ahole." If you weren't so wedded to your munged fake ID, we could probably identify you as one of the aholes on 80 meters. Oops, back to arguing-by-insult. It's the only way you know how to argue professor shortbus. |
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Michael 'I claim to be almost totally blind, but I drive anyway' Bryant wrote: From: "MnMikew" It's the only way you know how to argue professor shortbus. I'll guess you'll never know for sure since you seem incapable of advancing arguments in any other mode... Why don't you advance our little argument along by stating exactly where you obtained a PhD from? You can't do it can you? Embarrassed? |
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Michael 'I'm just so retarded today, will it ever stop?' Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV Why don't you advance our little argument along by stating exactly where you obtained a PhD from? You can't do it can you? Embarrassed? Waiting for you to agree to the financial bet. For as long as i've had to deal with you, I'm getting something out of this! You could get being honest out of it Fat Boy! |
On 06 May 2004 08:07:18 GMT, ocom (Michael Bryant)
wrote: From: Tracy Fort WOW! I amaze myself! I agree 100% with you. Mike, the fact that someone like Fort would agree with you should be an independent reason for you to re-think your advocacy! Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nojunk" to reply) I guess you want him to agree with you so that you will have at least one person that agrees with you? Tracy |
Duncan Ross wrote:
My limited experience of listening to HAM is that they have a fetish for discussing coax. By comparison CBers are positively rivetting. We must be near the end times. CBers *were* the dregs. Must be like entropy...everything sinks to the level from where there's no place left to go. mike |
m II wrote: Must be like entropy...everything sinks to the level from where there's no place left to go. Isn't that exactly what happened to Canada? |
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The work required to get that ham ticket is the only thing keeping it
from turning into a repeat of the Citizens Band fiasco. There would be a huge increase in the number of retards on the airways. there's already a number of retards on the ham airwaves. I failed to get my ham radio liscence because of them, even though I know that most of my answers were correct. They just didn't want me to become a ham in order to keep their little ham club "exclusive" to theirselves. and so they abused their priveleges. I heard the local ham repeater frequency in the 144 to 148 mhz band, went to the place they said, paid the money they said ( at least 3 times higher than what it costs roday) and took my test (after studying of course). The questions were not completely the same as the material that the book taught. Most of them were completely different. One of the questions on the actual ham test I took was "What is ATV and what does it refer to" I answered that it stood for "amateur tv" which some ham operators transmit. After the test was over, the examiners (real hams. I had heaard them on my local ham repeater including call letters and lalso listed in the ham directory book) marked that question wrong and told me that that was the wrong answer and that there is not any such thing as "ham tv" or "amateur tv" and that tv is not allowed at all in any ham bands anywhere. They then told me that the correct answer to that question is that "ATV" refers only to ham radio sets that are installed in All-Terrain Vehicles". And that was only one of the questions. They did the same thing with most of the other questions also. marking wrong what was definitely right,. and then coming up with phoney answers that they claimed was the "correct answers" just to keep out people that they didn't want or were predudiced against for some reason or another. So now I say, bring back the days when the FCC gave the liscence exams instead of letting local hams who abuse their priveleges when doing it doing it. |
and besides me flunkijng that phonyt ham test given out by real hams at a real
ham exam, I was also out all of the money that I had to pay them to in order to take the ham test. Bring back the days when the FCC tested people to be eligible for ham liscenvces instead of lettuing current local hams abuse their examining privileges by wanting to keep their ham radio club exclusively to only the members that are already there, or keeping out people just because of the way they look ("they're not pretty nor handsome. I don't want them in this ham club. Make sure that they don't get a ham liscence even if all of their answers are 100 percent correct"). And yes, these were hams who had studied morse code to get their ham liscences. And no the reason they were against me suceeding did not have anything at all to do with me being a no-code applicant. Because at the time I took it, there was not yet such a thing as being able to get a no-code liscence. I had to study morse code also. so because of my experience with them, I am now all for the no-liscence required on the ham bands. I say either that (no liscence required att all to get on the ham bands) or let the FCC once again do the exams for te liscenes required to get on the ham band, but in no way let the local hams do the exams. They purposely abuse their privileges. |
Mediaguy500 wrote: and besides me flunkijng that phonyt ham test given out by real hams at a real ham exam, I was also out all of the money that I had to pay them to in order to take the ham test. Bring back the days when the FCC tested people to be eligible for ham liscenvces instead of lettuing current local hams abuse their examining privileges by wanting to keep their ham radio club exclusively to only the members that are already there, or keeping out people just because of the way they look ("they're not pretty nor handsome. I don't want them in this ham club. Make sure that they don't get a ham liscence even if all of their answers are 100 percent correct"). And yes, these were hams who had studied morse code to get their ham liscences. And no the reason they were against me suceeding did not have anything at all to do with me being a no-code applicant. Because at the time I took it, there was not yet such a thing as being able to get a no-code liscence. I had to study morse code also. so because of my experience with them, I am now all for the no-liscence required on the ham bands. I say either that (no liscence required att all to get on the ham bands) or let the FCC once again do the exams for te liscenes required to get on the ham band, but in no way let the local hams do the exams. They purposely abuse their privileges. Hogwash... study up and pass the exam like a man... or whatever sexual persuasion you are today. |
just in case anyone is wondering, I heard it from a very good very reliable
source that I know that the reason the local ham radio operators didn't want me to be able to be a ham in their club and gave me a phony test is because they thought that I was "not handsome". Well, I'll agree that I'm not handsome, but tell me, since when was "being handsome" a "requirement" for becoming a hamn radio operator? |
Mediaguy500 wrote: just in case anyone is wondering, I heard it from a very good very reliable source that I know that the reason the local ham radio operators didn't want me to be able to be a ham in their club and gave me a phony test is because they thought that I was "not handsome". Well, I'll agree that I'm not handsome, but tell me, since when was "being handsome" a "requirement" for becoming a hamn radio operator? Whatcha smokin tonight? |
My post was misspelled. It should have read:
zSince when is "being handsome" a "requirement" for getting a ham radio liscence. And I wanted to add that I know that not all ham radio operators are retards like my local ham radio operators are. Nah, I shouldn't say that. Because that's an insult to people who really are retarded, and I don't want to insult them. They don't deserve that kind of insult. However, my local ham radio operators really do deserve insults aimed at them. for the previously mentioned reasons among others. |
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Mediaguy500 wrote: My post was misspelled. It should have read: zSince when is "being handsome" a "requirement" for getting a ham radio liscence. In lieu of being able to spell license, one must be handsome to get a ham radio ticket. |
Except among some old-time hams. You know, the
ones that resist all change. true and strange because doesn't that defeat a lot of the purpose of what ham radio was originally about? inventing and changing? Imagine if they had stuck to CW only and resisted all chanfge to AM voice broadcasting. Where would that put us today? No music radio. No tv. Just a bunch of short and long beeps of morse code on all radio channels in use. |
Hogwash... study up and pass the exam like a man... or whatever sexual
persuasion you are today. I did study up. And I admit that I didn't get all of the answers correct. But I did get most of them correct. And the ones that were correct were marked wrong, and the ones that were wrong were marked correct. And then I was told phony answers were the "real answers" That is hams abusing their examining privileges. Because when I got back home, I checked my ham books again, and the answers I gave that were marked wrong by the ham examiners were all correct according to ALL of the several different ham books that I had at the time. That is hams abusing their examining priviliges. |
Mediaguy500 wrote: Hogwash... study up and pass the exam like a man... or whatever sexual persuasion you are today. I did study up. And I admit that I didn't get all of the answers correct. But I did get most of them correct. And the ones that were correct were marked wrong, and the ones that were wrong were marked correct. And then I was told phony answers were the "real answers" That is hams abusing their examining privileges. Because when I got back home, I checked my ham books again, and the answers I gave that were marked wrong by the ham examiners were all correct according to ALL of the several different ham books that I had at the time. That is hams abusing their examining priviliges. Nah, it's just because you are not handsome. |
and by the way, there were also several other criminal activities that my local
ham radio operators were involved in committing. not just something small like I previously posted, but some much bigger criminal activity. They're the criminals. I don't mean all hams are criminals. Just some of my local ham radio operators who I know for sure are, not all of my local ham radio operators. |
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