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GO BEARCATS May 6th 04 12:28 PM

RayOVAC Batteries...............
 
What's the groups take on this particular brand? I've never purchased them
myself. I bought a pack of sixteen of them for $3.87 (including tax.)

I know this part has been mentioned before but if someone would be so kind,
what's the best way to store batteries (alkaline) or is there? I know not to
have them out in the extreme heat, but I've read some people put em' in the
fridge.

Is there any validity to this other than cold batteries? ;-)


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Mark S. Holden May 6th 04 01:07 PM

GO BEARCATS wrote:
What's the groups take on this particular brand? I've never purchased them
myself. I bought a pack of sixteen of them for $3.87 (including tax.)

I know this part has been mentioned before but if someone would be so kind,
what's the best way to store batteries (alkaline) or is there? I know not to
have them out in the extreme heat, but I've read some people put em' in the
fridge.

Is there any validity to this other than cold batteries? ;-)


I haven't done a formal test, but RayOVac alkaline batteries seem to
perform about like typical store brand alkaline batteries - a little
less juice than Duracell or Eveready.

They aren't my brand of choice, but if I'm buying batteries for remotes
or LED flashlights, I'll buy them if the price is right. I have NIMH
batteries for most things with high current draw.

Putting batteries in the fridge will extend their shelf life a bit
because it slows down the chemical reaction. They won't be able to give
full power until they warm up. But unless you forget where you put
them, odds are the shelf life is long enough anyway.





GO BEARCATS May 6th 04 01:37 PM


perform about like typical store brand alkaline batteries - a little
less juice than Duracell or Eveready.


I thought so Mark, hence the price.;-)

I have NIMH
batteries for most things with high current draw.


I have them a NcCdm also for my charger. First time I ever bought that many
batteries at a pop, but they were cheap and they're always good to have on
hand, like for my mini-mag lite/atomic clock or other wall clocks/remotes.

Putting batteries in the fridge will extend their shelf life a bit
because it slows down the chemical reaction.


I won't bother.

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Brian Running May 6th 04 02:36 PM

What's the groups take on this particular brand? I've never purchased them
myself. I bought a pack of sixteen of them for $3.87 (including tax.)


Lately, Ray-O-Vac has been the best deal around for alkaline batteries, and
I've been using them pretty much exclusively for the last year or so. I
don't find any difference at all between them and any of the other major
brands, e.g., Energizer and Duracell.

The only other brand I've used in the last year is Walgreen's own brand of
alkalines. Also a very good value, and work very well.

The worst batteries I have ever had are Maxell alkalines. They're
everywhere these days, they're cheap, and they are terrible. I haven't
measured this scientifically, but they seem to last about half as long as
the Ray-O-Vacs.



Al Dykes May 6th 04 02:41 PM

In article ,
Mark S. Holden wrote:
GO BEARCATS wrote:
What's the groups take on this particular brand? I've never purchased them
myself. I bought a pack of sixteen of them for $3.87 (including tax.)

I know this part has been mentioned before but if someone would be so kind,
what's the best way to store batteries (alkaline) or is there? I know not to
have them out in the extreme heat, but I've read some people put em' in the
fridge.

Is there any validity to this other than cold batteries? ;-)


I haven't done a formal test, but RayOVac alkaline batteries seem to
perform about like typical store brand alkaline batteries - a little
less juice than Duracell or Eveready.

They aren't my brand of choice, but if I'm buying batteries for remotes
or LED flashlights, I'll buy them if the price is right. I have NIMH
batteries for most things with high current draw.

Putting batteries in the fridge will extend their shelf life a bit
because it slows down the chemical reaction. They won't be able to give
full power until they warm up. But unless you forget where you put
them, odds are the shelf life is long enough anyway.



Google anything that looks like a model # on the batteries and
you'll probably find a manufacturer's spec sheet showing
curves and MAH ratings. This is one way to spot D cells
that are really C cells in a D shell.

The major brands do differ in MAH rating, and I assume
make different flavors for different markets. Frequently
it comes down to buying what's in sale and not worrying
about it.

When I've looked at spec sheets for AA batteries
Rayovac was at the low end for MAH ratings but that's
not the same thing as MAH/$$


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-----------
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Frank Dresser May 6th 04 06:37 PM


"GO BEARCATS" wrote in message
...
What's the groups take on this particular brand? I've never purchased them
myself. I bought a pack of sixteen of them for $3.87 (including tax.)

Ray-O-Vacs used to be my favorite brand. I could get a large pack at the
home improvement store for a good price. They seemed to last about as long
as Duracells. And they were made in Wisconsin. And they had a excellent
guarantee. Now, I think they're making them in Asia. That's a
disappointment. I still have some of my old Ray-O-Vac D cells. I don't
know how good the newer ones are.


I know this part has been mentioned before but if someone would be so

kind,
what's the best way to store batteries (alkaline) or is there? I know not

to
have them out in the extreme heat, but I've read some people put em' in

the
fridge.

Is there any validity to this other than cold batteries? ;-)


They self discharge more slowly in the refrigerator. They don't have full
power until they warm up. Usually, it's not worth worrying about.
Alkalines last a long time at room temperature.

Frank Dresser



Tony Meloche May 6th 04 06:54 PM



Frank Dresser wrote:

"GO BEARCATS" wrote in message
...
What's the groups take on this particular brand? I've never purchased them
myself. I bought a pack of sixteen of them for $3.87 (including tax.)

Ray-O-Vacs used to be my favorite brand. I could get a large pack at the
home improvement store for a good price. They seemed to last about as long
as Duracells. And they were made in Wisconsin. And they had a excellent
guarantee. Now, I think they're making them in Asia. That's a
disappointment. I still have some of my old Ray-O-Vac D cells. I don't
know how good the newer ones are.



Consumer's Union tests alkaline batteries ever few years, and their
most recent tests say "buy by price" - they found no meaningful
differences in length of life from Duracell/Eveready all the way down
through "Rite-Aid" brand and the like. They seem to have become a
homogenized technology, like color TV - one is generally as good as
another (it was NOT that way 15 years ago with batteries, though). I
started taking a chance on "generics" again about 2 years ago, and have
been pleased with the length of life vis-a-vis Duracell or Eveready.
But the generics are probably made by one or the other of the "big
boys", anyway.

Tony

GO BEARCATS May 7th 04 06:21 AM

The worst batteries I have ever had are Maxell alkalines. They're
everywhere these days, they're cheap, and they are terrible. I haven't
measured this scientifically, but they seem to last about half as long as
the Ray-O-Vacs.


Thanks for the tip Brian. :-)

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GO BEARCATS May 7th 04 06:23 AM

This is one way to spot D cells
that are really C cells in a D shell.


Oh really, interesting considering I need six for my mag-lite of over 10 years.
What's a great Dcell in your opinion?

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GO BEARCATS May 7th 04 06:26 AM

- they found no meaningful
differences in length of life from Duracell/Eveready all the way down
through "Rite-Aid" brand and the like. They seem to have become a
homogenized technology, like color TV -


OK Tony, point taken.

Thanks:-)

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Frank Dresser May 7th 04 06:54 PM


"Tony Meloche" wrote in message
...


Consumer's Union tests alkaline batteries ever few years, and their
most recent tests say "buy by price" - they found no meaningful
differences in length of life from Duracell/Eveready all the way down
through "Rite-Aid" brand and the like. They seem to have become a
homogenized technology, like color TV - one is generally as good as
another (it was NOT that way 15 years ago with batteries, though). I
started taking a chance on "generics" again about 2 years ago, and have
been pleased with the length of life vis-a-vis Duracell or Eveready.
But the generics are probably made by one or the other of the "big
boys", anyway.

Tony


That makes sense. Alkaline batteries have been made for over 40 years, and
all the real important patents have probably run out. My biggest concern
with the bargain basement batteries is leakage. Some of them just don't
seem as well constructed.

Frank Dresser



el lector se guarda May 7th 04 07:03 PM

Well I had a set of Ralphs (Grocery Store) D-cells in a
Flashlight/Siren/Radio unit in the trunk of the car for probably 2 years and
thought better check them -- deader than a door nail but no leakage

Your leakage may vary (:-)

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"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

"Tony Meloche" wrote in message
...


Consumer's Union tests alkaline batteries ever few years, and their
most recent tests say "buy by price" - they found no meaningful
differences in length of life from Duracell/Eveready all the way down
through "Rite-Aid" brand and the like. They seem to have become a
homogenized technology, like color TV - one is generally as good as
another (it was NOT that way 15 years ago with batteries, though). I
started taking a chance on "generics" again about 2 years ago, and have
been pleased with the length of life vis-a-vis Duracell or Eveready.
But the generics are probably made by one or the other of the "big
boys", anyway.

Tony


That makes sense. Alkaline batteries have been made for over 40 years,

and
all the real important patents have probably run out. My biggest concern
with the bargain basement batteries is leakage. Some of them just don't
seem as well constructed.

Frank Dresser





Duncan Ross May 8th 04 08:06 PM

From: "Frank Dresser"
Date: 07-May-2004 18:54 GMT Daylight Time
Message-id:


"Tony Meloche" wrote in message
...


Consumer's Union tests alkaline batteries ever few years, and their
most recent tests say "buy by price" - they found no meaningful
differences in length of life from Duracell/Eveready all the way down
through "Rite-Aid" brand and the like. They seem to have become a
homogenized technology, like color TV - one is generally as good as
another (it was NOT that way 15 years ago with batteries, though). I
started taking a chance on "generics" again about 2 years ago, and have
been pleased with the length of life vis-a-vis Duracell or Eveready.
But the generics are probably made by one or the other of the "big
boys", anyway.

Tony


That makes sense. Alkaline batteries have been made for over 40 years, and
all the real important patents have probably run out. My biggest concern
with the bargain basement batteries is leakage. Some of them just don't
seem as well constructed.


Could be a smart point although bizarrely the only batteries I've ever seen
leak were duracells (twice!).




Steve Black May 10th 04 02:53 AM

Where did you buy a pack of 16 alkaline batteries for $3.87?




On 06 May 2004 11:28:22 GMT, (GO BEARCATS) wrote:

What's the groups take on this particular brand? I've never purchased them
myself. I bought a pack of sixteen of them for $3.87 (including tax.)

I know this part has been mentioned before but if someone would be so kind,
what's the best way to store batteries (alkaline) or is there? I know not to
have them out in the extreme heat, but I've read some people put em' in the
fridge.

Is there any validity to this other than cold batteries? ;-)


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Hammarlund HQ140X
Multiple GE P-780's(GREAT BCB Radios)
RCA Victor *Strato- World*
RCA Victor RJC77W-K(Walnut Grain)
1942 Zenith Wave Magnet 6G 601M
Cathedral/ Ross#2311/Rhapsody-MultiBand
DX100/394/*SUPER*398/399/402
OMGS Transistor Eight/Realistic 12-1451
Henry Kloss Model One/Bell+Howell
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Alpha Delta DX Sloper 57ft.
600ft. 12AWG. (non-terminated)
120ft. 12 AWG Sloper
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Radio Shack Amplified Antenna
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R8500 May 10th 04 06:03 AM

Subject: RayOVAC Batteries...............
From: ercial (Duncan Ross)
Date: 5/8/2004 1:06 PM Mountain Standard Time
Message-id:

From: "Frank Dresser"

Date: 07-May-2004 18:54 GMT Daylight Time
Message-id:


"Tony Meloche" wrote in message
...


Consumer's Union tests alkaline batteries ever few years, and their
most recent tests say "buy by price" - they found no meaningful
differences in length of life from Duracell/Eveready all the way down
through "Rite-Aid" brand and the like. They seem to have become a
homogenized technology, like color TV - one is generally as good as
another (it was NOT that way 15 years ago with batteries, though). I
started taking a chance on "generics" again about 2 years ago, and have
been pleased with the length of life vis-a-vis Duracell or Eveready.
But the generics are probably made by one or the other of the "big
boys", anyway.

Tony


That makes sense. Alkaline batteries have been made for over 40 years, and
all the real important patents have probably run out. My biggest concern
with the bargain basement batteries is leakage. Some of them just don't
seem as well constructed.


Could be a smart point although bizarrely the only batteries I've ever seen
leak were duracells (twice!).


Strangely enough, Duracells are the only alkaline batteries I've had leakage
problems with also.

For what it's worth, I've recently bought several 48 packs of Panasonic AA
alkalines from a seller on eBay, and I swear that the Panasonics outlast either
Duracell or Energizer batteries in both my handheld scanners and CB walkie
talkies. I don't know if Panasonic makes any other size batteries besides AA,
but at $15.00 for 48 AA cells (including shipping), I'd say it's worth checking
eBay from time to time if you're looking for reliable and inexpensive alkaline
batteries.

73,
David

GO BEARCATS May 10th 04 06:23 AM

Where did you buy a pack of 16 alkaline batteries for $3.87?

Oh crap, do I have to admit this? I NEVER go to this place, but I was on the
hunt in the middle of the night looking for a replacement bulb to my 6 Dcell
mag-lite and my last stop of the four places I went to was "Wal-Mart."
(FWIW-they didn't have it.)

On the way out by the checkout line I saw a big display with those mentioned
batteries. For the good of the country, don't go to Wal-Mart. ;-)


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DX100/394/*SUPER*398/399/402
OMGS Transistor Eight/Realistic 12-1451
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Alpha Delta DX Sloper 57ft.
600ft. 12AWG. (non-terminated)
120ft. 12 AWG Sloper
2 Radio Shack Loop Antennas
Radio Shack Amplified Antenna
30X30 DiamondLoop(six section 830pf Cap)
* Diamond Loop mounted to Lazy Susan TurnTable*
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m II May 10th 04 06:32 PM

GO BEARCATS wrote:

On the way out by the checkout line I saw a big display with those mentioned
batteries. For the good of the country, don't go to Wal-Mart. ;-)



On my last visit to a local Wal Mart I walked down to the central area,
where the electronics stuff is displayed. Half way there, a young
employee was coming the other way, pushing a cart with bags of
snack/junk food on it. A container of doughnuts fell off the cart.
Instead of picking it up, the kid started kicking it towards his
destination, which was a display stand at the coner of the isles.

I haven't been back since.




mike


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