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A View from Korea
A friend, who is teaching at Kyung Hee University in Seoul, Korea sent me this
letter. Maybe BrenaAnn can confirm whether she finds the same to be true: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- a view from abroad Two things are absolutely chilling about this: 1. We have no idea what is going on that hasnt been reported. Clearly given the extent of the violations that has ALREADY been documented (by the International Red Cross and the military itself), what kind of horrific **** is going on that we dont know about? (What have they been doing to people at Guantanamo, in Afghanistan?) 2. Absent the photos there would not have been international outrage. The reports by Red Cross were all documents and didnt have the same shock value as the photos. Domestically, its probably true that this would have never entered the mainstream of american consciousness. While internationally, it had already caused damage which most Americans had largely ignored. The photos actually contextualized this issue and brought it home, PROVING the allegations of abuse that had already been documented. In this case the pictures are clearly worth more than the thousands of words that already existed. Finally, I wonder can it really get any worse? I wonder (and seriously doubt) if folks inside the country can even begin to fathom what sort of hatred this has generated against us. Thursday night a woman spit at me on the street.........5 minutes later, while eating dinner in a restaurant, the news came on the TV and the pictures were broadcast here. I cannot describe the look that the woman sitting at the nearby table gave me as soon as the photos came on....i truly wished i could sink into a corner and disappear. I recently had a lunch conversation with someone who suggested that George Bush was the international terrorist and it was hypocritical for him to criticize North Korea so much when we obviously dont have our house in order.....and while his suggestion that Bush and Kim Jong il are about equally bad was entirely mistaken, it is still damn difficult to defend very much of our current policy in the Middle East (could he have jacked the peace process any more than he did recently?)........and for god sakes this is what I am experiencing in a country which is a staunch ally. It is safe to say that bashing the States is fashionable and trendy these days. Its gotten so bad that I have almost become a nationalist, although, honestly I cant come up with many good defenses of Bush. I have honestly gotten tired of apologizing for being an American. There is a whole lot of good in our country, but Rumsfeld, Cheney and these neoconservative assholes have unified the globe in their hatred of us. Bush has ****ed away so much sympathy since 9/11 that now even our allies hate us. Living inside fortress America it may be easy to tell yourself that we are not the bad guys and that these are isolated incidents. But when Klemz says we have crushed our international credibility he is right. These pictures are just the icing on the cake, but they confirm all of the bull**** and hatred and negative beliefs that people have about us, justified or not. EVERYONE, democrat, republican, libertarian, green, and just anyone with a heart should be outraged. 4 more years of this behavior is truly scary. I cannot imagine how long it will take to repair the damage, but if we dont change directions soon all of this will come crashing down on us. There is simply too much global outrage, and too little humility on the part of our leaders. Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nojunk" to reply) |
Michael 'I need meds, but I better not drive' Bryant wrote: A friend, who is teaching at Kyung Hee University in Seoul, Korea sent me this letter. Maybe BrenaAnn can confirm whether she finds the same to be true: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- a view from abroad Two things are absolutely chilling about this: 1. We have no idea what is going on that hasnt been reported. Clearly given the extent of the violations that has ALREADY been documented (by the International Red Cross and the military itself), what kind of horrific **** is going on that we dont know about? (What have they been doing to people at Guantanamo, in Afghanistan?) 2. Absent the photos there would not have been international outrage. The reports by Red Cross were all documents and didnt have the same shock value as the photos. Domestically, its probably true that this would have never entered the mainstream of american consciousness. While internationally, it had already caused damage which most Americans had largely ignored. The photos actually contextualized this issue and brought it home, PROVING the allegations of abuse that had already been documented. In this case the pictures are clearly worth more than the thousands of words that already existed. Finally, I wonder can it really get any worse? I wonder (and seriously doubt) if folks inside the country can even begin to fathom what sort of hatred this has generated against us. Thursday night a woman spit at me on the street.........5 minutes later, while eating dinner in a restaurant, the news came on the TV and the pictures were broadcast here. I cannot describe the look that the woman sitting at the nearby table gave me as soon as the photos came on....i truly wished i could sink into a corner and disappear. I recently had a lunch conversation with someone who suggested that George Bush was the international terrorist and it was hypocritical for him to criticize North Korea so much when we obviously dont have our house in order.....and while his suggestion that Bush and Kim Jong il are about equally bad was entirely mistaken, it is still damn difficult to defend very much of our current policy in the Middle East (could he have jacked the peace process any more than he did recently?)........and for god sakes this is what I am experiencing in a country which is a staunch ally. It is safe to say that bashing the States is fashionable and trendy these days. Its gotten so bad that I have almost become a nationalist, although, honestly I cant come up with many good defenses of Bush. I have honestly gotten tired of apologizing for being an American. There is a whole lot of good in our country, but Rumsfeld, Cheney and these neoconservative assholes have unified the globe in their hatred of us. Bush has ****ed away so much sympathy since 9/11 that now even our allies hate us. Living inside fortress America it may be easy to tell yourself that we are not the bad guys and that these are isolated incidents. But when Klemz says we have crushed our international credibility he is right. These pictures are just the icing on the cake, but they confirm all of the bull**** and hatred and negative beliefs that people have about us, justified or not. EVERYONE, democrat, republican, libertarian, green, and just anyone with a heart should be outraged. 4 more years of this behavior is truly scary. I cannot imagine how long it will take to repair the damage, but if we dont change directions soon all of this will come crashing down on us. There is simply too much global outrage, and too little humility on the part of our leaders. More fabrication from the Fat Boy! |
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From: N8KDV
More fabrication from the Fat Boy! http://ndtceda.com/archives/200405/0154.html Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nojunk" to reply) |
Michael 'I haven't a clue' Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV More fabrication from the Fat Boy! http://ndtceda.com/archives/200405/0154.html So why didn't you give proper attribution Fat Boy? |
Tracy Fort wrote: On Sat, 08 May 2004 10:08:53 -0400, N8KDV wrote: Michael 'I haven't a clue' Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV More fabrication from the Fat Boy! http://ndtceda.com/archives/200405/0154.html So why didn't you give proper attribution Fat Boy? It's funny! He tried to make it look like a email. It's nothing more than a forum post from some obscure website. pitiful... Yes, it is. |
On Sat, 08 May 2004 10:08:53 -0400, N8KDV
wrote: Michael 'I haven't a clue' Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV More fabrication from the Fat Boy! http://ndtceda.com/archives/200405/0154.html So why didn't you give proper attribution Fat Boy? It's funny! He tried to make it look like a email. It's nothing more than a forum post from some obscure website. pitiful... Tracy |
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On 08 May 2004 14:57:20 GMT, ocom (Michael Bryant)
wrote: From: N8KDV It's funny! He tried to make it look like a email. It's nothing more than a forum post from some obscure website. pitiful... Yes, it is. It's the intercollegiate debate website, Mr. Jarvis is a person I've known and worked for over a decade. First, Steve calls it a fabrication and now he jumps me for not attributing the source. At least I was real up front about the fact that the letter was from a teacher in Seoul, rather than trying to pass it off as my own writing like Steve did with that fake DNC Schedule..... Hey, Steve and Tracy, you two make a really cute couple! Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nojunk" to reply) A forum full of useless liberals. I rest my case. Tracy |
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Michael 'I cain't help but lie' Bryant wrote: From: Tracy Fort A forum full of useless liberals. I rest my case. If you checked the site out, you'd see that here are liberal and conservatives in debate. I actually respect many intelligent conservatives, but you probably feel that anyone smarter than yourself is something evil. Tracy is an idiot. I rest my case. But that individual did not email you directly did they Fat Boy? That was what you insinuated to begin with you fat piece of ****. |
Michael 'I'm a sick retard' Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV But it was not in a direct email you received, you fat piece of ****! Actually, idiot, since that page is a listserve, I did receive it in a direct email to my box. But not 'directly' from your 'friend' right? You are a lying, fabricating piece of ****... You lies are easy to discern. |
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Michael 'I do drugs 24/7' Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV But that individual did not email you directly did they Fat Boy? That was what you insinuated to begin with you fat piece of ****. Why don't you go back and read the first post, dingo-breath. I did Fat Boy... he didn't 'send' you the letter. You are a liar and a fabricator... drug breath. |
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Michael 'I twist, I spin, I cain't keep my fabricatng straight' Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV You are a liar and a fabricator... drug breath. Why don't you quote that irst post, Steve? Or, more improbably, respond to the substance of the letter from Korea? Why won't you admit you did not receive it 'directly' from your 'friend'? |
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Michael 'damn, I'm confused this morning' Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV Why won't you admit you did not receive it 'directly' from your 'friend'? Better yet, would you like to take me up on the offer to have him provide an email verifiyng our friendship and that he sent me a copy? Are you collecting 'friendship verifications' now Fat Boy? This is a radio group, and generally we collect QSL's.... |
Michael 'I'm so fat I've gone blind' Bryant wrote: From: Tracy Fort A forum full of useless liberals. I rest my case. If you checked the site out, you'd see that here are liberal and conservatives in debate. I actually respect many intelligent conservatives, but you probably feel that anyone smarter than yourself is something evil. Yeah, you're real 'smart' Fat Boy... you prove it everyday! Tracy is an idiot. I rest my case. Better rest your fat ass. |
On 08 May 2004 15:20:42 GMT, ocom (Michael Bryant)
wrote: From: Tracy Fort A forum full of useless liberals. I rest my case. If you checked the site out, you'd see that here are liberal and conservatives in debate. I actually respect many intelligent conservatives, but you probably feel that anyone smarter than yourself is something evil. Tracy is an idiot. I rest my case. Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nojunk" to reply) I guess you aren'y evil then... Tracy |
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Michael 'I never listen to the radio' Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV Better yet, would you like to take me up on the offer to have him provide an email verifiyng our friendship and that he sent me a copy? Are you collecting 'friendship verifications' now Fat Boy? This is a radio group, and generally we collect QSL's.... No, I collect daily verifications of your lies and fabrications. Daily. I've never lied here about a thing! You clearly have... proven fact! |
Michael 'I'm so strung out I cain't think' Bryant wrote: A friend, who is teaching at Kyung Hee University in Seoul, Korea sent me this letter. Maybe BrenaAnn can confirm whether she finds the same to be true: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- a view from abroad Two things are absolutely chilling about this: 1. We have no idea what is going on that hasnt been reported. Clearly given the extent of the violations that has ALREADY been documented (by the International Red Cross and the military itself), what kind of horrific **** is going on that we dont know about? (What have they been doing to people at Guantanamo, in Afghanistan?) 2. Absent the photos there would not have been international outrage. The reports by Red Cross were all documents and didnt have the same shock value as the photos. Domestically, its probably true that this would have never entered the mainstream of american consciousness. While internationally, it had already caused damage which most Americans had largely ignored. The photos actually contextualized this issue and brought it home, PROVING the allegations of abuse that had already been documented. In this case the pictures are clearly worth more than the thousands of words that already existed. Finally, I wonder can it really get any worse? I wonder (and seriously doubt) if folks inside the country can even begin to fathom what sort of hatred this has generated against us. Thursday night a woman spit at me on the street.........5 minutes later, while eating dinner in a restaurant, the news came on the TV and the pictures were broadcast here. I cannot describe the look that the woman sitting at the nearby table gave me as soon as the photos came on....i truly wished i could sink into a corner and disappear. I recently had a lunch conversation with someone who suggested that George Bush was the international terrorist and it was hypocritical for him to criticize North Korea so much when we obviously dont have our house in order.....and while his suggestion that Bush and Kim Jong il are about equally bad was entirely mistaken, it is still damn difficult to defend very much of our current policy in the Middle East (could he have jacked the peace process any more than he did recently?)........and for god sakes this is what I am experiencing in a country which is a staunch ally. It is safe to say that bashing the States is fashionable and trendy these days. Its gotten so bad that I have almost become a nationalist, although, honestly I cant come up with many good defenses of Bush. I have honestly gotten tired of apologizing for being an American. There is a whole lot of good in our country, but Rumsfeld, Cheney and these neoconservative assholes have unified the globe in their hatred of us. Bush has ****ed away so much sympathy since 9/11 that now even our allies hate us. Living inside fortress America it may be easy to tell yourself that we are not the bad guys and that these are isolated incidents. But when Klemz says we have crushed our international credibility he is right. These pictures are just the icing on the cake, but they confirm all of the bull**** and hatred and negative beliefs that people have about us, justified or not. EVERYONE, democrat, republican, libertarian, green, and just anyone with a heart should be outraged. 4 more years of this behavior is truly scary. I cannot imagine how long it will take to repair the damage, but if we dont change directions soon all of this will come crashing down on us. There is simply too much global outrage, and too little humility on the part of our leaders. They already hated us Fat Boy... reach for that switch and turn your radio on. Had you done that before you'd already know. Where ya been? Holed up in a room smoking pot somewhere? |
"Michael Bryant" wrote in message ... A friend, who is teaching at Kyung Hee University in Seoul, Korea sent me this letter. Maybe BrenaAnn can confirm whether she finds the same to be true: -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ ---------------------------- a view from abroad ["letter" snipped] Why should we care if the opinions are irrational? Quite frankly, anyone who extrapolates these incidents into an indictment of this country or of leaders who had no knowledge of the activity is already betraying a bias that would have been manifest elsewhere in one way or the other. The big lie in all this doting on "public opinion" from abroad is that we should simply accept the opinion and feel guilty because it exists, but not assess the legitimacy of that opinion. |
On Sat, 08 May 2004 12:44:43 -0400, Dan wrote:
On 08 May 2004 12:40:34 GMT, ocom (Michael Bryant) wrote: Finally, I wonder can it really get any worse? I wonder (and seriously doubt) if folks inside the country can even begin to fathom what sort of hatred this has generated against us. Who gives a ****? These people *already* hate us because we won't convert to their ****ed up "religion". We're "infidels" in their eyes, and not fit to live because we're not Islamic. **** 'em. Dan Drake R8, Radio Shack DX-440, Grundig S650, S700, S800, YB400, YB550PE Degen DE1102, Kaito KA1102 Hallicrafters S-120 (1962) Zenith black dial 5 tube Tombstone (1937) E. H. Scott 23 tube Imperial Allwave in Tasman cabinet (1936) You da man Dan! Tracy |
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Michael 'I'm so fat, and I gave my career up for drugs' Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV I've never lied here about a thing! You clearly have... proven fact! Here's a proven fact: Your first response to the letter from S Korea was to say I had fabricated it. When it was proven not to be a fabriacation you shifted to attribution. That's proof of a lie from you TODAY! Wrong.. I was pointing out the fact that you'd not received it 'direct'. And, you did not give proper attribution. Nice try Fat Boy. |
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Michael 'I'm a fabricating Fat Boy' Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV They already hated us Fat Boy... reach for that switch and turn your radio on. Had you done that before you'd already know. I guess you need a Drake to know that the rest of the world already hated us. It's not required, but it sure helps oh reception challenged one! Where ya been? Holed up in a room smoking pot somewhere? No, I'm out teaching Really, I thought you were posting here today. If you are indeed teaching you'd better devote 100% to your students rather than hanging out here Fat Boy! |
"Frank White" wrote in message ... The problem is, Bush is SURE he is right in the things he does. That kind of self assurance is great if you're going the right way. If you're on the wrong path, though, as it increasingly looks like he is, it is like the road to Hell paved with good intentions... IMO, that's very well put FW. The only qualification I'd make is we won't know if we took the wrong path for at least five years, and probably longer. While I have some concern about anyone (including, believe it or not, Bush) displaying absolute certainty in what they do, that approach has some benefit when a long term perspective is needed, as opposed to being swayed (a la Lyndon Johnson) by those who think the success or failure of the war should be judged in weeks or months or on individual events. |
Michael 'Drugs shriveled my sexual organ' Bryant wrote: No, I'm out teaching, you're the one holed in a room drinking and playing with your radio and 'puter. It would sure beat playing with whatever you're playing with Fat Boy... |
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Michael 'I got no idea what I'm doing at any given moment' Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV Really, I thought you were posting here today. If you are indeed teaching you'd better devote 100% to your students rather than hanging out here Fat Boy! I know being unemployed probably makes you lose track of time, but it's Saturday, Steve. Most schools aren't open on Saturdays. You just stated you were out teaching, Fat Boy. |
Michael 'damn, I'm high already' Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV Here's a proven fact: Your first response to the letter from S Korea was to say I had fabricated it. When it was proven not to be a fabriacation you shifted to attribution. That's proof of a lie from you TODAY! Wrong.. I was pointing out the fact that you'd not received it 'direct'. And, you did not give proper attribution. Nice try Fat Boy. A third lie! You called the whole letter a fabrication several posts before you ever brought up the attribution issue. It's in the archives. Everyone can see at least 3 lies from Steve Lare, today! You can't post without making lies! Smoked your way up to the hallucination stage already? Damn, you sure don't let the day get away do you? |
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Michael 'Not only did drugs shrivel my sexual organ, they made my brain disappear' Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV Michael 'Drugs shriveled my sexual organ' Bryant wrote: SNIP No, I'm out teaching, you're the one holed in a room drinking and playing with your radio and 'puter. It would sure beat playing with whatever you're playing with Fat Boy... Geez. Such vacillation. First, I don't have one and then I'm playing with it. Steve seems so confused! Sad boy, you need to find your brain. Well at least I have one to find Fat Boy! |
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