Bush Totally Disgusted
 

How come all you neocons that are so busy rationalizing a moral base for
torture are ignoring the words of your own leader? Aren't you listening to your
own leader?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040511/D82G3FK00.html


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"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
How come all you neocons that are so busy rationalizing a moral base
for
torture are ignoring the words of your own leader? Aren't you
listening to your
own leader?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040511/D82G3FK00.html


You toss the word "neocon" about like a frisbee. Would you mind
saying what/who you think it refers to? I'm always wondering who's in
that box and who isn't as far as you're concerned. For most
conservatives, it has a very definite meaning.

From: "T. Early"

You toss the word "neocon" about like a frisbee. Would you mind
saying what/who you think it refers to? I'm always wondering who's in
that box and who isn't as far as you're concerned. For most
conservatives, it has a very definite meaning.

You're one. Not really conservative, but willing to support anyone that gives
you a chance to strike back at your even less precisely-defined notion of a
liberal/leftist.

But eschewing your diversionary question, what do you think of Bush's stand on
the digusting depravity he's seen in the photos?


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"T. Early" wrote in message
...

"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
How come all you neocons that are so busy rationalizing a moral base
for
torture are ignoring the words of your own leader? Aren't you
listening to your
own leader?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040511/D82G3FK00.html


You toss the word "neocon" about like a frisbee. Would you mind
saying what/who you think it refers to? I'm always wondering who's in
that box and who isn't as far as you're concerned. For most
conservatives, it has a very definite meaning.


I expressed the same sentiment yesterday, as well.

Besides, MWB's original post was pure troll.

-- Stinger

From: "Stinger"

Besides, MWB's original post was pure troll.

Impressive analytical skills. Call anything you can't answer a "troll".

OK, This NG has witnessed many people defending the morality of torture for
"higher ends." Don't deny what everyone can read.

How do you think those folks can deal with the owrds of their own leader
without revealing the shifting sands of a contradictory stance.

What's a liberal? How is that term been any better defined by you?


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"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From: "T. Early"

You toss the word "neocon" about like a frisbee. Would you mind
saying what/who you think it refers to? I'm always wondering who's
in
that box and who isn't as far as you're concerned. For most
conservatives, it has a very definite meaning.

You're one. Not really conservative, but willing to support anyone
that gives
you a chance to strike back at your even less precisely-defined
notion of a
liberal/leftist.

In short, you're not going to answer my question but are going to
defer the answer by striking back with your own less precisely-defined
notion of a neo-conservative.

Here's a pretty good line (told to me by a Jewish friend BTW) that may
help: "con" is short for conservative, and "neo" is short for Jewish.

Not exact, but true in a lot of instances since the original
neo-conservatives were largely Jewish former liberals who jumped ship
when the excesses at that end of the spectrum became too much to bear.


But eschewing your diversionary question, what do you think of
Bush's stand on
the digusting depravity he's seen in the photos?


I realize that I'm feeding a straight line here, but isn't his stand
on this a no-brainer? But my opinion may not count since you'd have
a hard time finding me rationalizing true torture. I stick to
questioning your fast and loose definition of what constitutes
torture.

From: "T. Early"

In short, you're not going to answer my question but are going to
defer the answer by striking back with your own less precisely-defined
notion of a neo-conservative.

No, I'm pointing out that your constant use of the term "liberal" is even less
preceisely-defined. Why do you neo-cons always invent or create words when you
can't defend your original concepts?

Here's a pretty good line (told to me by a Jewish friend BTW) that may
help: "con" is short for conservative, and "neo" is short for Jewish.

Duh. Neo is a prefix meaning "near." Has zip, nada, zillch to do with Jews.
More invention for dramatic license? You can really spin those homilies....

But eschewing your diversionary question, what do you think of
Bush's stand on
the digusting depravity he's seen in the photos?


I realize that I'm feeding a straight line here, but isn't his stand
on this a no-brainer? But my opinion may not count since you'd have
a hard time finding me rationalizing true torture. I stick to
questioning your fast and loose definition of what constitutes
torture.


So your argument boils down to "It's not torture"?

Geez, whatever you want to call it, how do you feel about this quote from
Bush's press secretary:

"The president's reaction was one of deep disgust and disbelief that anyone who
wears our uniform would engage in such shameful and appalling acts," White
House spokesman Scott McClellan said. "It does not represent our United States
military and it does not represent the United States of America."

Why are you neocons so out of sync with your own leader? Do you think he's just
sucking up to the Arabs and the liberal press? What does that say about his
"integrity"?

Good luck figuring it out.



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"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From: "T. Early"

In short, you're not going to answer my question but are going to
defer the answer by striking back with your own less
precisely-defined
notion of a neo-conservative.

No, I'm pointing out that your constant use of the term "liberal" is
even less
preceisely-defined. Why do you neo-cons always invent or create
words when you
can't defend your original concepts?

Do me a favor here MB, and I'm going to follow up on it. Google T.
Early as author in rec.radio. shortwave, and search for the term
liberal. See how many times I've used the term (not how many times
posts that I've replied to have used it), and then let's discuss
"constant use." Maybe then we can discuss your consistent
misstatements here (such as that whopper). BTW, I acknowledge calling
Al Franken a liberal and referring to NPR, the Washington Post, and NY
Times as liberal--- over the course of -lots- of posts. Mea Culpa on
those controversial statements.


Here's a pretty good line (told to me by a Jewish friend BTW) that
may
help: "con" is short for conservative, and "neo" is short for
Jewish.

Duh. Neo is a prefix meaning "near." Has zip, nada, zillch to do
with Jews.
More invention for dramatic license? You can really spin those
homilies....


It's a Joke!!!!! Doh!

BTW, "neo" as a prefix means "new." Most of these folks were liberals
in the 70s and early 80s. You might want to reassess your view on the
"neo-con" concept.

But eschewing your diversionary question, what do you think of
Bush's stand on
the digusting depravity he's seen in the photos?


I realize that I'm feeding a straight line here, but isn't his
stand
on this a no-brainer? But my opinion may not count since you'd
have
a hard time finding me rationalizing true torture. I stick to
questioning your fast and loose definition of what constitutes
torture.


So your argument boils down to "It's not torture"?

No, my "argument" on this issue has pretty consistently been that the
use of the word "torture" in this newsgroup (mostly, I think, by you)
is designed to be politically inflammatory and is directly at odds
with most reputable coverage of the situation-- which consistently
uses terms like "abuse" as opposed to "torture," even where the
sources are not that administration-friendly. From what I have read
recently, there is stuff on the way that comes a lot closer to what I
would consider torture.

Geez, whatever you want to call it, how do you feel about this quote
from
Bush's press secretary:

"The president's reaction was one of deep disgust and disbelief that
anyone who
wears our uniform would engage in such shameful and appalling acts,"
White
House spokesman Scott McClellan said. "It does not represent our
United States
military and it does not represent the United States of America."

Why are you neocons so out of sync with your own leader? Do you
think he's just
sucking up to the Arabs and the liberal press? What does that say
about his
"integrity"?

Good luck figuring it out.

I do have it figured out; it's a highly appropriate statement. You
also appear to have me confused with someone else. I continue to
wonder how someone who does not know what a "neo-con" -is- can
classify anyone -as- one.

OK I'll give it a try.....

Here are 20 tell-tale signs that you're a liberal.

1. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of
federal funding.
No - but Gov't help could slow it's spread. Just like the gov't helps
to find a cure for Cancer, helps the needy, etc... Just like Jesus
would do.

2. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th-graders
how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.
You would equate a good book with good sex.

3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans
are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the hands
of Chinese and North Korean communists.
Americans kill plenty more Americans than the Chinks. And lots of
times they do it with guns - stupid.

4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.
The gov't gives you money for holding a mortgage so why can't they
fund the arts?

5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by
cyclical documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected by
soccer moms driving SUV's.
SUV's don't help.

6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being
homosexual is natural.
Both are natural. At what age did you decide to be a hetero?

7. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on
demand.
I wouldn't want an abortion if I didn't demand it. And Capital
Punishment - well, when they stop making mistakes then go for it.

8. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments
create prosperity.
Part of the reason for America's prosperity is our form of Gov't.
It's simply the best.

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony
activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.
Hunting is fine with me but people in San Fran can love the env too.
Gee ur stupid.

10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually
doing something to earn it.
Uh - I don't understand that one.

11. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts
of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain
parts of the Constitution.
I'm for the ACLU because there should always be a Yin and Yang. We
actually need dumservatives like yourself too. There - I said it. As
for guns - I just don't want people in trailers to have 'em. And
criminals. And kids.

12. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too
high.
Show me someone that thinks taxes are too low and I'll show you
someone who likes ATM fees.

13. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more
important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Gen. Robert E. Lee
and Thomas Edison.
Women are important. Just ask your mother.

14. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial
quotas and set-asides are not.
Rasicm is stereotyping people. Just like you're doing with this list
stupid.

15. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and is a very
nice person.
How would I know? I only hear what the liberal media tells me.

16 . You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked
anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in
charge.
FDR made it work.

17. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail,
but a liar and a sex offender belonged in the White House.
Former drunks can be forgiven.

18. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag,
transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and
manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal
One's religious - one is not. Peter Paul has nuts - Mounds don't.

19. You have to believe that illegal Democratic Party funding by the
Chinese government is somehow in the best interest to the United States.
It is if it gets a Democrat elected. Muhahahaha...

20. You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast right wing
conspiracy.
No - it's a posting from a dumservative and very typical. Almost
stereotypical. Woa.



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Now here's some quotes for you. You tell me if they are from a
Conservative or Liberal.

Academics who lie about their credentials are "scum".

You ain't got a clue! Now go look in the mirror, I think your tin foil
hat is just a wee bit askew.

You gonna lie on Mother's Day Fat Boy? Come on, tell us some lies on
Mother's Day!

I'd have no problem torturing any lying academic who falsifies his
credentials such as you have.

Guess it would help the gene pool though! Mother Nature is not stupid!

Get back to me sometime when you've got your **** in the properly
sized sack.

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In article ,
"Stinger" wrote:

"T. Early" wrote in message
...

"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
How come all you neocons that are so busy rationalizing a moral base
for
torture are ignoring the words of your own leader? Aren't you
listening to your
own leader?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040511/D82G3FK00.html


You toss the word "neocon" about like a frisbee. Would you mind
saying what/who you think it refers to? I'm always wondering who's in
that box and who isn't as far as you're concerned. For most
conservatives, it has a very definite meaning.


I expressed the same sentiment yesterday, as well.

Besides, MWB's original post was pure troll.

He's the king of Trolls.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Gee, you guys are just too clever with all your big words. You must be very
intelligent...

"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
How come all you neocons that are so busy rationalizing a moral base for
torture are ignoring the words of your own leader? Aren't you listening to
your
own leader?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040511/D82G3FK00.html


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In article ,
ocom (Michael Bryant) wrote:

From: "Stinger"

Besides, MWB's original post was pure troll.

Impressive analytical skills. Call anything you can't answer a
"troll".

OK, This NG has witnessed many people defending the morality of
torture for "higher ends." Don't deny what everyone can read.

How do you think those folks can deal with the owrds of their own
leader without revealing the shifting sands of a contradictory
stance.

What's a liberal? How is that term been any better defined by you?

It's better defined by your persona. In your case it's a person with
arrested mental development resulting from inappropriate drug use.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

MWB,

If you are going to 'quote' the US President George "W" Bush
or a News Article about him.

Please 'quote' him/them correctly: "deep disgust and disbelief"

MWB - No Spins Please :o)

Just The Facts ~ RHF
..
..
= = = ocom (Michael Bryant) wrote in message
= = = ...
How come all you neocons that are so busy rationalizing a
moral base for torture are ignoring the words of your own
leader? Aren't you listening to your own leader?


MWB - Lets Get Real - Look Up the Definition of "NEOCON".
Most of the 'individuals' who post here do NOT meet the
Definition of a NEOCON - Thats a Fact [.]

MWB - Most are simply 'individuals' who . . .

* Love Their Country {America}

* Are Proud to be an American. {Stand Up for America}

* Have an Abiding Respect for the American Way. {Culture and Society}

And Speaking as an "Individual" - So Do I ~ RHF
..
..
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040511/D82G3FK00.html


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Michael 'I lied about having a PhD' Bryant wrote:

How come all you neocons that are so busy rationalizing a moral base for
torture are ignoring the words of your own leader? Aren't you listening to your
own leader?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040511/D82G3FK00.html

Can't you read Fat Boy? Where does it say that the President said that he was
'totally disgusted'?

You're certainly a simple retard.

TE,

NeoCon 101 - Some Basic Questions Answered.

? What Do Neo-Conservatives Believe ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html

? The NeuCons "Key Figures" {The Founders - Who Are They ?}
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/index.html

? How Much Power do the Neo-Conservatives have within
the Bush Administration and within Washington DC ?
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/boot.html
- by Max Boot

? Which Leaders in US History would be NeoCons Today ?
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/mead.html
- by Walter Russell Mead

TE - But the way that "MWB" uses the tern 'neucon' is part of
the new "Ultra-Liberal-Democrat Speak" and the Liberal Media Elite
when the majority of Jewish-Americans and Jewish Intellectuals
were Democrat Party Members and Democrat Voters.
There was a time when Jews-Americans were 'good little democrats'
and could be "Counted On" to Vote Democrat. But now come along
the NeuCons the founding majority of whom were Jewish-American
Intellectuals who identified with the Republican Party.
To the Democrats (The Democrat Party Leaders) and the Media Elite
these NeuCons are simply NOT the 'right type' of Jewish-Americans.

MWB - Basically functions as a Political Cadre of the Democrat
Party here on this NewsGroup. Thus 'he' uses the term "NeuCon"
and "NeuCons" as a Democrat Code Words for 'Those People'.
{Yes - There is a "Hateful" 'hidden' Meaning Implied using the Words.}
[ One more form of Democrat Class Warfare - The Politics of Hate. ]

The Liberal Media Elite also use these same "Code Words" to
Indoctrinate the American Public as to the Threat that the NeuCons
are to 'all' that is Truly "Democratic" in American.

This is the basic logic of the Democrats the Liberal Media when
it comes to Collin Powell as an African-American Leader of
National Stature. Liberal Democrats and Media Elite can not
stand have a Strong Powerful Respected Black Man in President
Bush's Cabinet.

More of the 'quite' Racism of the Democrats and the Media Elite
because Colin Powell is not the right kind of African-American.
[ One more form of Democrat Class Warfare - The Politics of Hate. ]


So Say I - My Opinions Stated as Facts ~ RHF
..
..
= = = "T. Early" wrote in message
= = = ...
"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...

How come all you neocons that are so busy rationalizing a
moral base for torture are ignoring the words of your own
leader? Aren't you listening to your own leader?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040511/D82G3FK00.html


You toss the word "neocon" about like a frisbee.
Would you mind saying what/who you think it refers to?
I'm always wondering who's in that box and who isn't
as far as you're concerned.
For most conservatives, it has a very definite meaning.

..

In article , rhf-say-
says...
TE,

NeoCon 101 - Some Basic Questions Answered.

? What Do Neo-Conservatives Believe ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html

? The NeuCons "Key Figures" {The Founders - Who Are They ?}
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/index.html

? How Much Power do the Neo-Conservatives have within
the Bush Administration and within Washington DC ?
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/boot.html
- by Max Boot

? Which Leaders in US History would be NeoCons Today ?
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/mead.html
- by Walter Russell Mead

TE - But the way that "MWB" uses the tern 'neucon' is part of
the new "Ultra-Liberal-Democrat Speak" and the Liberal Media Elite
when the majority of Jewish-Americans and Jewish Intellectuals
were Democrat Party Members and Democrat Voters.
There was a time when Jews-Americans were 'good little democrats'
and could be "Counted On" to Vote Democrat. But now come along
the NeuCons the founding majority of whom were Jewish-American
Intellectuals who identified with the Republican Party.
To the Democrats (The Democrat Party Leaders) and the Media Elite
these NeuCons are simply NOT the 'right type' of Jewish-Americans.

MWB - Basically functions as a Political Cadre of the Democrat
Party here on this NewsGroup. Thus 'he' uses the term "NeuCon"
and "NeuCons" as a Democrat Code Words for 'Those People'.
{Yes - There is a "Hateful" 'hidden' Meaning Implied using the Words.}
[ One more form of Democrat Class Warfare - The Politics of Hate. ]

The Liberal Media Elite also use these same "Code Words" to
Indoctrinate the American Public as to the Threat that the NeuCons
are to 'all' that is Truly "Democratic" in American.

This is the basic logic of the Democrats the Liberal Media when
it comes to Collin Powell as an African-American Leader of
National Stature. Liberal Democrats and Media Elite can not
stand have a Strong Powerful Respected Black Man in President
Bush's Cabinet.

More of the 'quite' Racism of the Democrats and the Media Elite
because Colin Powell is not the right kind of African-American.
[ One more form of Democrat Class Warfare - The Politics of Hate. ]


So Say I - My Opinions Stated as Facts ~ RHF
.
.
= = = "T. Early" wrote in message
= = = ...
"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...

How come all you neocons that are so busy rationalizing a
moral base for torture are ignoring the words of your own
leader? Aren't you listening to your own leader?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040511/D82G3FK00.html


You toss the word "neocon" about like a frisbee.
Would you mind saying what/who you think it refers to?
I'm always wondering who's in that box and who isn't
as far as you're concerned.
For most conservatives, it has a very definite meaning.

.



I think you've been sniffing too much tuner cleaner, kind of like Steve
sometimes...

BDK

BDK wrote:

In article , rhf-say-
says...
TE,

NeoCon 101 - Some Basic Questions Answered.

? What Do Neo-Conservatives Believe ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html

? The NeuCons "Key Figures" {The Founders - Who Are They ?}
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/index.html

? How Much Power do the Neo-Conservatives have within
the Bush Administration and within Washington DC ?
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/boot.html
- by Max Boot

? Which Leaders in US History would be NeoCons Today ?
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/mead.html
- by Walter Russell Mead

TE - But the way that "MWB" uses the tern 'neucon' is part of
the new "Ultra-Liberal-Democrat Speak" and the Liberal Media Elite
when the majority of Jewish-Americans and Jewish Intellectuals
were Democrat Party Members and Democrat Voters.
There was a time when Jews-Americans were 'good little democrats'
and could be "Counted On" to Vote Democrat. But now come along
the NeuCons the founding majority of whom were Jewish-American
Intellectuals who identified with the Republican Party.
To the Democrats (The Democrat Party Leaders) and the Media Elite
these NeuCons are simply NOT the 'right type' of Jewish-Americans.

MWB - Basically functions as a Political Cadre of the Democrat
Party here on this NewsGroup. Thus 'he' uses the term "NeuCon"
and "NeuCons" as a Democrat Code Words for 'Those People'.
{Yes - There is a "Hateful" 'hidden' Meaning Implied using the Words.}
[ One more form of Democrat Class Warfare - The Politics of Hate. ]

The Liberal Media Elite also use these same "Code Words" to
Indoctrinate the American Public as to the Threat that the NeuCons
are to 'all' that is Truly "Democratic" in American.

This is the basic logic of the Democrats the Liberal Media when
it comes to Collin Powell as an African-American Leader of
National Stature. Liberal Democrats and Media Elite can not
stand have a Strong Powerful Respected Black Man in President
Bush's Cabinet.

More of the 'quite' Racism of the Democrats and the Media Elite
because Colin Powell is not the right kind of African-American.
[ One more form of Democrat Class Warfare - The Politics of Hate. ]


So Say I - My Opinions Stated as Facts ~ RHF
.
.
= = = "T. Early" wrote in message
= = = ...
"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...

How come all you neocons that are so busy rationalizing a
moral base for torture are ignoring the words of your own
leader? Aren't you listening to your own leader?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040511/D82G3FK00.html


You toss the word "neocon" about like a frisbee.
Would you mind saying what/who you think it refers to?
I'm always wondering who's in that box and who isn't
as far as you're concerned.
For most conservatives, it has a very definite meaning.

.


I think you've been sniffing too much tuner cleaner, kind of like Steve
sometimes...

I highly recommend Caig products...

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B
"I swear by, not at, Drake receivers" ©

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

From: (LW)

Neo indicates "new". I'm not new to conservatism. Been here forever.
Till the "other side" can produce something better than Clintons and
Gores and Kerrys and Kennedys, I'll be right here.

Real, oldtime, conservatives were opposed to unrestrained spending, US foreign
adventurism and violations of the Constitution. Neo-cons don't mind those
things, at all, as long as they work to increase their political hold on the
country.


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Michael 'I know I lie, but I cain't help it' Bryant wrote:

From: (LW)

Neo indicates "new". I'm not new to conservatism. Been here forever.
Till the "other side" can produce something better than Clintons and
Gores and Kerrys and Kennedys, I'll be right here.

Real, oldtime, conservatives were opposed to unrestrained spending, US foreign
adventurism and violations of the Constitution. Neo-cons don't mind those
things, at all, as long as they work to increase their political hold on the
country.

Real, oldtime, educators would never have thought to lie about their academic
credentials.

"T. Early" wrote in message
...
In short, you're not going to answer my question but are going to
defer the answer by striking back with your own less precisely-defined
notion of a neo-conservative.

SOP for Bryant. When confronted with a question he can't or dosen't want to
answer, he iqnores you.

In article , =20
says...
=20
=20
BDK wrote:
=20
In article , rhf-say-
says...
TE,

NeoCon 101 - Some Basic Questions Answered.

? What Do Neo-Conservatives Believe ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html

? The NeuCons "Key Figures" {The Founders - Who Are They ?}
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/index.html

? How Much Power do the Neo-Conservatives have within
the Bush Administration and within Washington DC ?
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/boot.html
- by Max Boot

? Which Leaders in US History would be NeoCons Today ?
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/mead.html
- by Walter Russell Mead

TE - But the way that "MWB" uses the tern 'neucon' is part of
the new "Ultra-Liberal-Democrat Speak" and the Liberal Media Elite
when the majority of Jewish-Americans and Jewish Intellectuals
were Democrat Party Members and Democrat Voters.
There was a time when Jews-Americans were 'good little democrats'
and could be "Counted On" to Vote Democrat. But now come along
the NeuCons the founding majority of whom were Jewish-American
Intellectuals who identified with the Republican Party.
To the Democrats (The Democrat Party Leaders) and the Media Elite
these NeuCons are simply NOT the 'right type' of Jewish-Americans.

MWB - Basically functions as a Political Cadre of the Democrat
Party here on this NewsGroup. Thus 'he' uses the term "NeuCon"
and "NeuCons" as a Democrat Code Words for 'Those People'.
{Yes - There is a "Hateful" 'hidden' Meaning Implied using the Words.=
}
[ One more form of Democrat Class Warfare - The Politics of Hate. ]

The Liberal Media Elite also use these same "Code Words" to
Indoctrinate the American Public as to the Threat that the NeuCons
are to 'all' that is Truly "Democratic" in American.

This is the basic logic of the Democrats the Liberal Media when
it comes to Collin Powell as an African-American Leader of
National Stature. Liberal Democrats and Media Elite can not
stand have a Strong Powerful Respected Black Man in President
Bush's Cabinet.

More of the 'quite' Racism of the Democrats and the Media Elite
because Colin Powell is not the right kind of African-American.
[ One more form of Democrat Class Warfare - The Politics of Hate. ]


So Say I - My Opinions Stated as Facts ~ RHF
.
.
=3D =3D =3D "T. Early" wrote in message
=3D =3D =3D ...
"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...

How come all you neocons that are so busy rationalizing a
moral base for torture are ignoring the words of your own
leader? Aren't you listening to your own leader?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040511/D82G3FK00.html


You toss the word "neocon" about like a frisbee.
Would you mind saying what/who you think it refers to?
I'm always wondering who's in that box and who isn't
as far as you're concerned.
For most conservatives, it has a very definite meaning.

.


I think you've been sniffing too much tuner cleaner, kind of like Steve
sometimes...
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Deoxit (SP?) works great on my NRD-515...

BDK

From: "MnMikew"

In short, you're not going to answer my question but are going to
defer the answer by striking back with your own less precisely-defined
notion of a neo-conservative.

SOP for Bryant. When confronted with a question he can't or dosen't want to
answer, he iqnores you.

You need to read. I think I've done a fairly good job of defining neo-cons over
the past 12 hours. Far more effort than you've put into defining what's meant
by the phrase "liberal."

Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From: "MnMikew"

In short, you're not going to answer my question but are going to
defer the answer by striking back with your own less
precisely-defined
notion of a neo-conservative.

SOP for Bryant. When confronted with a question he can't or dosen't
want to
answer, he iqnores you.

You need to read. I think I've done a fairly good job of defining
neo-cons over
the past 12 hours. Far more effort than you've put into defining
what's meant
by the phrase "liberal."


In the interest of good will, peace and world harmony, I was going to
move on from this discussion. But I just can't now. Here's you on
neo-con: "Neo is a prefix meaning 'near.'" So you think you're doing
"fairly good job of defining neo-cons" when you don't even know what
the blankety blank word literally means? It does -not- refer to "near
conservatives." It primarily refers, once again, to a group of former
liberals (the political writer Norman Podhoretz, for one) who began to
reassess their positions in the '70s and '80s and became "new
conservatives." The word has since been expanded to include certain
others who have been strongly influenced by those individuals. I
really wouldn't have belabored this if you didn't seem so firmly
convinced that you have a grip on this when you don't.

"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From: (LW)

Neo indicates "new". I'm not new to conservatism. Been here
forever.
Till the "other side" can produce something better than Clintons
and
Gores and Kerrys and Kennedys, I'll be right here.

Real, oldtime, conservatives were opposed to unrestrained spending,
US foreign
adventurism and violations of the Constitution. Neo-cons don't mind
those
things, at all, as long as they work to increase their political
hold on the
country.


How can I put this diplomatically and in a non-judgmental manner?
OK....you have no idea what you are talking about here.

From: "T. Early"

Real, oldtime, conservatives were opposed to unrestrained spending,
US foreign
adventurism and violations of the Constitution. Neo-cons don't mind
those
things, at all, as long as they work to increase their political
hold on the
country.


How can I put this diplomatically and in a non-judgmental manner?
OK....you have no idea what you are talking about here.

A response with neither analysis or evidence. And an obvious lie about
judgementalism. I think you can do better.




Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From: "T. Early"

Real, oldtime, conservatives were opposed to unrestrained
spending,
US foreign
adventurism and violations of the Constitution. Neo-cons don't
mind
those
things, at all, as long as they work to increase their political
hold on the
country.


How can I put this diplomatically and in a non-judgmental manner?
OK....you have no idea what you are talking about here.

A response with neither analysis or evidence. And an obvious lie
about
judgementalism. I think you can do better.


I did. I just didn't feel like repeating it. See my post somewhat
earlier about your misconceptions regarding the term neo-con. You
know, basic stuff like what the word means :)

From: "T. Early"

Neo is a prefix meaning 'near.'" So you think you're doing
"fairly good job of defining neo-cons" when you don't even know what
the blankety blank word literally means? It does -not- refer to "near
conservatives."

So, what's your spin on the word neo-natal? Look up the prefix "neo", genius.

It primarily refers, once again, to a group of former
liberals (the political writer Norman Podhoretz, for one) who began to
reassess their positions in the '70s and '80s and became "new
conservatives." The word has since been expanded to include certain
others who have been strongly influenced by those individuals. I
really wouldn't have belabored this if you didn't seem so firmly
convinced that you have a grip on this when you don't.

So what have you proven? The neo-cons really are something different from
traditional conservatives. Thank you. You just admitted my original point. You
are just sooo smart!


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nojunk" to reply)

Michael 'I'm baaaaad, I'm mega-wide' Bryant wrote:

From: "T. Early"

Neo is a prefix meaning 'near.'" So you think you're doing
"fairly good job of defining neo-cons" when you don't even know what
the blankety blank word literally means? It does -not- refer to "near
conservatives."

So, what's your spin on the word neo-natal? Look up the prefix "neo", genius.

It primarily refers, once again, to a group of former
liberals (the political writer Norman Podhoretz, for one) who began to
reassess their positions in the '70s and '80s and became "new
conservatives." The word has since been expanded to include certain
others who have been strongly influenced by those individuals. I
really wouldn't have belabored this if you didn't seem so firmly
convinced that you have a grip on this when you don't.

So what have you proven? The neo-cons really are something different from
traditional conservatives. Thank you. You just admitted my original point. You
are just sooo smart!

And you are just sooo stupid!

"LW" wrote in message
m...
ocom (Michael Bryant) wrote ...

How come all you neocons that are so busy rationalizing a moral base for
torture are ignoring the words of your own leader?

All neocons? Painting with a rather wide brush here, yes?

What *exactly* is a "neocon"?

From Ask Jeeves:

Neoconservative - A "neocon" is more inclined than other conservatives
toward vigorous government in the service of the goals of traditional
morality and pro-business policies. Tends to favor a very strong foreign
policy of America as well.

"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From: "MnMikew"

In short, you're not going to answer my question but are going to
defer the answer by striking back with your own less precisely-defined
notion of a neo-conservative.

SOP for Bryant. When confronted with a question he can't or dosen't want
to
answer, he iqnores you.

You need to read. I think I've done a fairly good job of defining neo-cons
over
the past 12 hours. Far more effort than you've put into defining what's
meant
by the phrase "liberal."

That's your opinion. I'm still waiting for some proof that anyone in the
Administration attacked Kerry on his Vietnam service.

"MnMikew" wrote in message
...

"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From: "MnMikew"

In short, you're not going to answer my question but are going
to
defer the answer by striking back with your own less
precisely-defined
notion of a neo-conservative.

SOP for Bryant. When confronted with a question he can't or
dosen't want
to
answer, he iqnores you.

You need to read. I think I've done a fairly good job of defining
neo-cons
over
the past 12 hours. Far more effort than you've put into defining
what's
meant
by the phrase "liberal."

That's your opinion. I'm still waiting for some proof that anyone in
the
Administration attacked Kerry on his Vietnam service.

Hey me too. That whopper goes back awhile!

BDK,

"I think you've been sniffing too much tuner cleaner,
kind of like Steve sometimes..."

Don't it just Blow Your Mind - The Truth That Is !

From My Mind to Your Mind - They are 'becoming' One :o)

~ RHF
..
..
= = = BDK wrote in message
= = = ...
In article , rhf-say-
says...
TE,

NeoCon 101 - Some Basic Questions Answered.

? What Do Neo-Conservatives Believe ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html

? The NeuCons "Key Figures" {The Founders - Who Are They ?}
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/index.html

? How Much Power do the Neo-Conservatives have within
the Bush Administration and within Washington DC ?
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/boot.html
- by Max Boot

? Which Leaders in US History would be NeoCons Today ?
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/mead.html
- by Walter Russell Mead

TE - But the way that "MWB" uses the tern 'neucon' is part of
the new "Ultra-Liberal-Democrat Speak" and the Liberal Media Elite
when the majority of Jewish-Americans and Jewish Intellectuals
were Democrat Party Members and Democrat Voters.
There was a time when Jews-Americans were 'good little democrats'
and could be "Counted On" to Vote Democrat. But now come along
the NeuCons the founding majority of whom were Jewish-American
Intellectuals who identified with the Republican Party.
To the Democrats (The Democrat Party Leaders) and the Media Elite
these NeuCons are simply NOT the 'right type' of Jewish-Americans.

MWB - Basically functions as a Political Cadre of the Democrat
Party here on this NewsGroup. Thus 'he' uses the term "NeuCon"
and "NeuCons" as a Democrat Code Words for 'Those People'.
{Yes - There is a "Hateful" 'hidden' Meaning Implied using the Words.}
[ One more form of Democrat Class Warfare - The Politics of Hate. ]

The Liberal Media Elite also use these same "Code Words" to
Indoctrinate the American Public as to the Threat that the NeuCons
are to 'all' that is Truly "Democratic" in American.

This is the basic logic of the Democrats the Liberal Media when
it comes to Collin Powell as an African-American Leader of
National Stature. Liberal Democrats and Media Elite can not
stand have a Strong Powerful Respected Black Man in President
Bush's Cabinet.

More of the 'quite' Racism of the Democrats and the Media Elite
because Colin Powell is not the right kind of African-American.
[ One more form of Democrat Class Warfare - The Politics of Hate. ]


So Say I - My Opinions Stated as Facts ~ RHF
.
.
= = = "T. Early" wrote in message
= = = ...
"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...

How come all you neocons that are so busy rationalizing a
moral base for torture are ignoring the words of your own
leader? Aren't you listening to your own leader?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040511/D82G3FK00.html


You toss the word "neocon" about like a frisbee.
Would you mind saying what/who you think it refers to?
I'm always wondering who's in that box and who isn't
as far as you're concerned.
For most conservatives, it has a very definite meaning.

.



I think you've been sniffing too much tuner cleaner, kind of like Steve
sometimes...

BDK

"Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote in message
...

"LW" wrote in message
m...
ocom (Michael Bryant) wrote ...

How come all you neocons that are so busy rationalizing a moral
base for
torture are ignoring the words of your own leader?

All neocons? Painting with a rather wide brush here, yes?

What *exactly* is a "neocon"?

From Ask Jeeves:

Neoconservative - A "neocon" is more inclined than other
conservatives
toward vigorous government in the service of the goals of
traditional
morality and pro-business policies. Tends to favor a very strong
foreign
policy of America as well.


This is OK, but any definition that makes the "strong foreign policy"
aspects of neo-conservatism an afterthought is less than adequate. It
is the dissatisfaction with the left's appeasement of the Soviet Union
that was at the core of the origins of the neoconservative movement.
Since the -true- neoconservative is a former liberal (something I
haven't been able to get through Mr. Bryant's head), the part about
"vigorous government" is pretty close since many neocons are closer to
liberals on domestic policy.

In article s.com,
"Clorox for the NG" wrote:


The war is lost. ------------ (deal with it, it's the truth you know)

You can surrender to Al Queda and have your head chopped off.

I'll keep supporting the fight for freedom.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California