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"T. Early" wrote in message ... I'd suggest that your classification of Saddam as "merely an irritating regime" raises serious questions about your credibility in the area of geopolitics. There are and will always be governments we don't like, everywhere in the world. Unless there is truly genocide going on, it's up to the locals to deal with it. Saddam was once an ally of the US. In fact, an argument can easily be made that the U.S. created Saddam in the first place. At any rate, what is worse? A brutal but local dictatorship, or a superpower that cowardly bombs and kills thousands in a third world country, using standoff weapons from high up in the air or from ships at sea where the crews remain safe and cozy? Can such a country really claim higher moral authority? I still maintain that Saddam Hussein's regime was, for the U.S., just another irritating but relatively harmless one (compared to others) - harmless, except perhaps in terms of oil supply, which is probably the real reason the US administration acted as it did, when you strip away all the spin and propaganda. |
"Pete" wrote in message news:pzMoc.10779 There are and will always be governments we don't like, everywhere in the world. Unless there is truly genocide going on, it's up to the locals to deal with it. Talking of which, what did the "international community" do when 800 000 innocent people in Rwanda were being massacred? Nothing - as it had no oil. -- Simon M. |
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The Taliban were fair enough after 9 SEP 01, but just to effect a "regime change" is madness. Why don't you invade China to bring western democracy to them ? Too many regimented workers would be lost. That drives up production costs for the American factories there. The bottom line wins over morals every time. mike |
Simon Mason wrote: "Pete" wrote in message news:pzMoc.10779 There are and will always be governments we don't like, everywhere in the world. Unless there is truly genocide going on, it's up to the locals to deal with it. Talking of which, what did the "international community" do when 800 000 innocent people in Rwanda were being massacred? Nothing - as it had no oil. Hey, when you folks gonna repay your WWII debt to us? We could use the money. |
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wrote: Hey, when you folks gonna repay your WWII debt to us? We could use the money. We sure do. Bush is expensive. |
"Simon Mason" wrote in message The Taliban were fair enough after 9 SEP 01, but just to effect a "regime change" is madness. Why don't you invade China to bring western democracy to them ? Sorry, it was 11 SEP 01 , we have different date formats! -- Simon Mason Anlaby East Yorkshire. 53°44'N 0°26'W™ http://www.simonmason.karoo.net |
"m II" wrote in message news:EXNoc.4658$j6.2648@edtnps84... Simon Mason wrote: The Taliban were fair enough after 11 SEP 01, but just to effect a "regime change" is madness. Why don't you invade China to bring western democracy to them ? Too many regimented workers would be lost. That drives up production costs for the American factories there. The bottom line wins over morals every time. Maybe the real reason is that the Chinese would give you a serious fight. There are over a billion of them and they have nukes as well. -- Simon M. |
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Please explain the shortwave radio connection. Many thanks "Simon Mason" wrote in message ... "m II" wrote in message news:EXNoc.4658$j6.2648@edtnps84... Simon Mason wrote: The Taliban were fair enough after 11 SEP 01, but just to effect a "regime |
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The USofA believes in MAD = Mutually Assured Destruction. (A Short Quick Nuclear War.) [USofA can NOT Invade China.] China (PRC) believes in MAR = Mutually Assured Reduction. (A Short Quick Nuclear War followed by a Long Drawn-Out Conventional War.) + China is willing to lose 1/4 to 1/3 of their Population in a War with the USofA. This is about equal to the Entire Population of the USofA. Note: This is a Winning Strategy for China because the can BLAME the Losses on the War and the USofA: Plus the get a Needed Population Reduction. + China only has to Target and Destroy the Top One Hundred US Cities (Urban Areas) to Win the War. This will reduce the USofA's Population by about 15%. Once that happens the USofA will Not be able to sustain the War: Therefore China Wins within the first three days. Note that China only needs 250 to 500 ICBMS to achieve their Goal of Destroying these 100 Urban Areas. - As a 'result' of the War with China; the USofA becomes a "Third World Country". The Is NO Gravity - Reality Sucks ~ RHF .. .. = = = "Simon Mason" wrote in message = = = ... "m II" wrote in message news:EXNoc.4658$j6.2648@edtnps84... Simon Mason wrote: The Taliban were fair enough after 11 SEP 01, but just to effect a "regime change" is madness. Why don't you invade China to bring western democracy to them ? Too many regimented workers would be lost. That drives up production costs for the American factories there. The bottom line wins over morals every time. Maybe the real reason is that the Chinese would give you a serious fight. There are over a billion of them and they have nukes as well. |
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Michael 'Which way to the rendering works?' Bryant wrote: From: "-=jd=-" He has his point of view and he articulates it well. I'm not required to agree with him. He's not required to agree with anything I write either. However, no-one gains anything by degrading the validity of their opinions by resorting to vitriol and personal insult. I just think that when someone posts with a level of common courtesy, you *should* feel compelled to reciprocate, whether you agree with them or not. There's certainly a glaring lack of common courtesy in society today and there's absolutely nothing wrong with demonstrating some when you get a chance. That's all I'm saying. This from someone that has never rebuked Steve Lare for his daily common courtesies. In fact, JD has gone out of his way to tell me that it was my respomsibility, since I asked for it. All you're doing JD is showing how inconsistent and hypocritical you really are. As Stinger suggested, I have pointed out many of the same arguments. I don't usually engage in insults until the other party initiates them. I sure don't see you calling out folks like N8KDV, Teleamon, Tracy Fort or RHF for their insult-laden posts. I guess that's because they're on your side, right. What a putz! What an idiot! My posts are not insult laden, they are fact laden. You ARE a FAT PIECE OF ****... That's a FACT! |
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: However, no-one gains anything by degrading the validity of their opinions by resorting to vitriol and personal insult. You will note that I'm not responding to any of the vitriol. I long ago recognized that none of the vitriolic posters here ever said anything of value; if you had not responded to them, I'd never have known about them at all. As you have said, everyone loses from such exchanges. -- "I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S. |
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"Michael Bryant" wrote in message ... SNIP What a putz! And thank you for proving my point, Michael! Please show me where I threw the first pitch. When you run out of ideas, there's always name-calling, huh? You just can't resist it. Like JD, I do appreciate civil discourse without name-calling. However, once again, you have illustrated how you lower the bar, then whine when someone swats back (or does the same). Michael, I don't think I've ever seen you get into much more than a two-response thread without slamming the other poster's intelligence, reading comprehension, etc., and though many do respond in a like manner, I've yet to see some posters reply in-kind. You probably don't realize this, but it's almost down to a formula. If I had time to waste, I could build a "check sheet" for an MWB response. That's awfully tiresome drivel from somebody that fancies himself as a professional (with credentials) in debating. My disagreement with JD's opinion on Betz's post is not about tone, it's about factual content, which is close to nil. Give me facts, THEN present a case for opinion based on the facts. Betz posts opinion, and the facts are completely missing (and for good reason -- he's wrong). I don't debate fiction. -- Stinger |
From: "-=jd=-" He has his point of view and he articulates it well. I'm not required to agree with him. He's not required to agree with anything I write either. However, no-one gains anything by degrading the validity of their opinions by resorting to vitriol and personal insult. I just think that when someone posts with a level of common courtesy, you *should* feel compelled to reciprocate, whether you agree with them or not. There's certainly a glaring lack of common courtesy in society today and there's absolutely nothing wrong with demonstrating some when you get a chance. That's all I'm saying. This from someone that has never rebuked Steve Lare for his daily common courtesies. In fact, JD has gone out of his way to tell me that it was my respomsibility, since I asked for it. All you're doing JD is showing how inconsistent and hypocritical you really are. And I have never rebuked *YOU* for doing the _exact_ _same_ _thing_. It has been my observation that you have started most every flame-fest you've been involved in within RRS. So not "no" , but "HELL NO!", I'm not going to defend someone who apparently does not have the slightest comprehension of the word hypocrite when they try to apply it incorrectly to others. In any event, anyone with a penchant for initiating flame-fests by being the first to sling arrows is not worthy of defending. Yeah - I'm the hypocrite because I won't stick up for *you* when you set your own butt on fire. I didn't ask you to stick up for me, JD. That's an example of how you "bend words." I simply asked why you don't throw the same taunts at my discourse that you seem to hold back from others. I've yet to see you hold ANYONE on your "political side" to the same standards that you demand from me. Not one. Ever. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to why a "College-Level Debate Coach" should require a third-party to defend him in *any* debate? Exactly why is it *my* responsibility to defend you? Please explain. I'll try not to soil myself from suppressing the uncontrollable laughter. As Stinger suggested, I have pointed out many of the same arguments. I don't usually engage in insults until the other party initiates them. It has been my observation that you are the first to turn vitriolic and/or insulting in most every flame-fest involving you. That you even wrote that line is patently incredulous. It borders on blatant narcissism. Jesus Christ! I'm insulted and attacked in here by Lare and friends (and I'm beginning to put you in that group)daily. You've seem to continue now with insults about my "college level debate coach" past whether I say anything or not. Not a day goes by that you don't INITIATE more insulting reminders of how you feel about me. But I always iniate them, right? Do you REALLY believe that I initiate every conflict? With Steve Lare? Geez, there goes any hope for your objectivity, whatsoever! Oh yeah, I was the first to turn vitriolic when dealing with the likes of Tracy Fort, right? Saying things like that greatly diminishes any credibility you might seek for your well-expressed, but wrong, perspectives. I sure don't see you calling out folks like N8KDV, Teleamon, Tracy Fort or RHF for their insult-laden posts. I guess that's because they're on your side, right. What a putz! *WHO* have I "called out" for their "insult-laden" posts? What are you blathering about now? Where have I "called out" anyone for the insult- content of their posts? You've called me out daily every day for the last week for making insult-laden vitriolic posts. Don't you read your own posts? (Read the post I'm responding to!!) Try to divert all you want, but why don't you apply the same critique to people on your side of the political divide?? I may be a "putz" in your view, but at least I'm not a "college-level debate-coach". Now, go insult some more people, ya hypocrite! See?! There are many people, mostly on your side, that have defended for more insult-laden forms of discourse. I don't start every dialogue with insults, though I will utilize them when people can rise to no higher level. Where are the critiques of discourse applicable to the insults coming from N8KDV, Tracy Fort, RHF, or Telamon, to just name a few? Some of those people you can't possibly say I initiate the insults with since I haven't responded to some of them for months. Why so one-sided, Mr. Rationality? You call me a drama-queen, but you seem to be doing a damn fine job of doing that by abandoning any objectivity in your race to arrive at the more credible insult. And, yes sir, you are being an INCREDIBLE hypocrite. Your one-sided attempt at objectivity in discourse standards is a clear window into your own biases. And you're just WRONG on most things no matter how you dress up your ideas. Sheesh! -=jd=- -- My Current Disposable Email: (Remove YOUR HAT to reply directly) Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nojunk" to reply) |
Michael 'I use Crisco like peanut Butter' Bryant wrote: From: "-=jd=-" He has his point of view and he articulates it well. I'm not required to agree with him. He's not required to agree with anything I write either. However, no-one gains anything by degrading the validity of their opinions by resorting to vitriol and personal insult. I just think that when someone posts with a level of common courtesy, you *should* feel compelled to reciprocate, whether you agree with them or not. There's certainly a glaring lack of common courtesy in society today and there's absolutely nothing wrong with demonstrating some when you get a chance. That's all I'm saying. This from someone that has never rebuked Steve Lare for his daily common courtesies. In fact, JD has gone out of his way to tell me that it was my respomsibility, since I asked for it. All you're doing JD is showing how inconsistent and hypocritical you really are. And I have never rebuked *YOU* for doing the _exact_ _same_ _thing_. It has been my observation that you have started most every flame-fest you've been involved in within RRS. So not "no" , but "HELL NO!", I'm not going to defend someone who apparently does not have the slightest comprehension of the word hypocrite when they try to apply it incorrectly to others. In any event, anyone with a penchant for initiating flame-fests by being the first to sling arrows is not worthy of defending. Yeah - I'm the hypocrite because I won't stick up for *you* when you set your own butt on fire. I didn't ask you to stick up for me, JD. That's an example of how you "bend words." I simply asked why you don't throw the same taunts at my discourse that you seem to hold back from others. I've yet to see you hold ANYONE on your "political side" to the same standards that you demand from me. Not one. Ever. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to why a "College-Level Debate Coach" should require a third-party to defend him in *any* debate? Exactly why is it *my* responsibility to defend you? Please explain. I'll try not to soil myself from suppressing the uncontrollable laughter. As Stinger suggested, I have pointed out many of the same arguments. I don't usually engage in insults until the other party initiates them. It has been my observation that you are the first to turn vitriolic and/or insulting in most every flame-fest involving you. That you even wrote that line is patently incredulous. It borders on blatant narcissism. Jesus Christ! I'm insulted and attacked in here by Lare and friends (and I'm beginning to put you in that group)daily. You've seem to continue now with insults about my "college level debate coach" past whether I say anything or not. Not a day goes by that you don't INITIATE more insulting reminders of how you feel about me. But I always iniate them, right? Do you REALLY believe that I initiate every conflict? With Steve Lare? Geez, there goes any hope for your objectivity, whatsoever! Oh yeah, I was the first to turn vitriolic when dealing with the likes of Tracy Fort, right? Saying things like that greatly diminishes any credibility you might seek for your well-expressed, but wrong, perspectives. I sure don't see you calling out folks like N8KDV, Teleamon, Tracy Fort or RHF for their insult-laden posts. I guess that's because they're on your side, right. What a putz! *WHO* have I "called out" for their "insult-laden" posts? What are you blathering about now? Where have I "called out" anyone for the insult- content of their posts? You've called me out daily every day for the last week for making insult-laden vitriolic posts. Don't you read your own posts? (Read the post I'm responding to!!) Try to divert all you want, but why don't you apply the same critique to people on your side of the political divide?? I may be a "putz" in your view, but at least I'm not a "college-level debate-coach". Now, go insult some more people, ya hypocrite! See?! There are many people, mostly on your side, that have defended for more insult-laden forms of discourse. I don't start every dialogue with insults, though I will utilize them when people can rise to no higher level. Where are the critiques of discourse applicable to the insults coming from N8KDV, Tracy Fort, RHF, or Telamon, to just name a few? Some of those people you can't possibly say I initiate the insults with since I haven't responded to some of them for months. Why so one-sided, Mr. Rationality? You call me a drama-queen, but you seem to be doing a damn fine job of doing that by abandoning any objectivity in your race to arrive at the more credible insult. And, yes sir, you are being an INCREDIBLE hypocrite. Your one-sided attempt at objectivity in discourse standards is a clear window into your own biases. And you're just WRONG on most things no matter how you dress up your ideas. And no matter how you tried to dress it up you still lied about that PhD. You are a liar and a fabricator! You have absolutely no business teaching anywhere. You are a disgrace to the educational sytem. |
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Michael 'I'm a disgrace because I lied about my credentials' Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV You are a liar and a fabricator! You have absolutely no business teaching anywhere. You are a disgrace to the educational sytem. It's ashame that we don't have people in our educational "sytem" that live up to your standards. Yeah, it's 'ashame'! What a frickin idiot you really are Fat Boy! But, thanks. Taking one post with some erroneous data from 2000 and using that to castigate over 25 years of teaching effort shows everyone that you lack a single scrap of common-sense. Common sense would have dictated that you not have lied about it in the first place. However, as pointed out many times already, you lack common sense. And it was not 'erroneous data', YOU claimed in your own words to have a PhD. And you're unemployed. What a wonderful testimony to your own capabilities! I can afford it, you have a problem with that, retard? I didn't spend my earnings on drugs. |
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Michael 'I just keep on lying, I cain't stop' Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV Yeah, it's 'ashame'! What a frickin idiot you really are Fat Boy! Yeah, I can see why JD feels that I always initiate the insults. Why do you so deliberately chhose to make this NG a mean and nasty place, Steve. Is this game of your's the highest objective? Get back to me when you can make some sense. |
Stop emailing me you fat piece of ****!
Michael Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV Yeah, it's 'ashame'! What a frickin idiot you really are Fat Boy! Yeah, I can see why JD feels that I always initiate the insults. Why do you so deliberately chhose to make this NG a mean and nasty place, Steve. Is this game of your's the highest objective? Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nojunk" to reply) |
N8KDV, wh o can't justify his own discourse:
Why do you so deliberately chhose to make this NG a mean and nasty place, Steve. Is this game of your's the highest objective? Get back to me when you can make some sense. Why do you so deliberately CHOOSE to make this NG a mean and nasty place, Steve? Is this game of your's the highest onbjective? Get back to me when you can rationally justify what you've done to this NG. Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nojunk" to reply) |
Steve's PROJECTING, again.
Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nojunk" to reply) |
Michael 'I'm Mr. Stupid today' Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV Yeah, it's 'ashame'! What a frickin idiot you really are Fat Boy! Yeah, I can see why JD feels that I always initiate the insults. Why do you so deliberately chhose to make this NG a mean and nasty place, Steve. Is this game of your's the highest objective? chhose? And you should have used 'yours' also. Having a really, really bad day, Mr. Communication? |
Michael 'I'm sure spaced out today' Bryant wrote: N8KDV, wh o can't justify his own discourse: Should be 'who' Fat Boy, you're starting to stutter... getting nervous, or just needing a 'fix'? Why do you so deliberately chhose to make this NG a mean and nasty place, Steve. Is this game of your's the highest objective? Get back to me when you can make some sense. Why do you so deliberately CHOOSE to make this NG a mean and nasty place, Steve? Is this game of your's the highest onbjective? What is an 'onbjective'? Get back to me when you can rationally justify what you've done to this NG. I haven't done a thing to it. Everyone is free to post here just as they have always done. |
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Michael 'I'm incredibly out of it today' Bryant wrote: Steve's PROJECTING, again. Yep, I'm projecting my 'get over your mental illness Bryant' vibes your way! |
Michael 'I'm a fat boy and I lie my ass off' Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV chhose? And you should have used 'yours' also. Having a really, really bad day, Mr. Communication? This from someone who couldn't spell "system" 15 minutes ago? But I'm not expected to spell correctly... I don't have all those fancy communication degrees like you do... or lie about. |
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Michael 'I just make up stuff as I go along' Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV I haven't done a thing to it. Everyone is free to post here just as they have always done. You've made this NG into something that most would rather choose to stay away from. You insult, avoid direct argumentation and threaten people virtually every single day. If someone asks a radio question you call them "frickin' retards" unless they bow in subservience to your expertise. Your personal attacks on me have been reprehensible. You've taken most of the fun that many people had in this NG and destroyed it. YOU. You're a frickin retard, boy. Get over it. |
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Michael 'Damn, I sure need a bong hit' Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV But I'm not expected to spell correctly... I don't have all those fancy communication degrees like you do... or lie about. Well, gee, you know I have at least two communication degrees. You called Wayne State and checked on my BA and MA degrees. No I didn't. And by the way, the study of communication involves spoken discourse, not written discourse. Writing falls under an English degree. Surprised you haven't lied about having one of those! Typing is hardly a measure of communication skills. Not a day goes ny that you don't misspell or mis-type words in your posts. I don't claim to be better than you. Never have. Sure you have, many times over! But then, you're a retard, and you must have forgotten! |
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, Telamon wrote: In article , ocom (Michael Bryant) King of Trolls wrote: From: "-=jd=-" He has his point of view and he articulates it well. I'm not required to agree with him. He's not required to agree with anything I write either. However, no-one gains anything by degrading the validity of their opinions by resorting to vitriol and personal insult. I just think that when someone posts with a level of common courtesy, you *should* feel compelled to reciprocate, whether you agree with them or not. There's certainly a glaring lack of common courtesy in society today and there's absolutely nothing wrong with demonstrating some when you get a chance. That's all I'm saying. This from someone that has never rebuked Steve Lare for his daily common courtesies. In fact, JD has gone out of his way to tell me that it was my respomsibility, since I asked for it. All you're doing JD is showing how inconsistent and hypocritical you really are. As Stinger suggested, I have pointed out many of the same arguments. I don't usually engage in insults until the other party initiates them. I sure don't see you calling out folks like N8KDV, Teleamon, Tracy Fort or RHF for their insult-laden posts. I guess that's because they're on your side, right. What a putz! Whatever you say Mikey! Nobody insults more people than you on a daily basis. Nobody starts more off topic threads than you do. Nobody has as many off topic threads started with their name in it. You must be proud to be the most successful Troll in RRS history. The above is a good example of how Mikey makes RRS the nasty place it is. Notice once the debate went against him he started calling names and even took a swipe at everyone else in the newsgroup he usually does not agree with. Mikey has no objectivity, lies at the drop of a hat, has no credibility because of this, and of course is a total hypocrite. Mike's is bored with debate and seeks dramatize the exchanges between himself and others for fun. It is this, which makes him the most successful Troll in RRS history. Mikey complains but the truth is this is want he wants. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Michael 'I just don't get it and I never will' Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV You've taken most of the fun that many people had in this NG and destroyed it. YOU. You're a frickin retard, boy. Get over it. Congrats, Steve. I'm sure JD will be reminding us all of how analytical and factual your responses tend to be. You're a retard. That's pretty damn factual. You're a liar and a fabricator. That's pretty damn factual. You're a drug abuser. That's pretty damn factual. You got into trouble with drugs and had to resign from your teaching position. That's pretty damn factual. You lied about having a PhD. That's pretty damn factual... the list goes ever on. |
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