Tillman Killed By Friendly Fire
 

Tillman killed by friendly fire



Pat Tillman

Billy House
Republic Washington Bureau
May. 29, 2004 12:00 AM


WASHINGTON - Pat Tillman, the former Arizona Cardinals football player
who died in April while a U.S. soldier fighting in Afghanistan, likely
was killed by friendly fire, an Army investigation has concluded.

News of that finding was disseminated Friday to some members of
Congress and some Tillman family members just as the Memorial Day
weekend was to begin, including today's dedication ceremonies in
Washington of the World War II Memorial.

"It does seem pretty clear that he was killed by friendly fire," said
Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., a member of the House Armed Services
Committee, which was alerted to the information by the Army's
Legislative Liaison Office.

"This does not take away one iota from the heroic nature and courage
of the man. The source of that fire is of little consequence in terms
of heroism," Franks said. He said that after learning of the Army's
conclusions, he made some follow-up inquiries and was satisfied the
information was accurate.

Friendly-fire accidents are an inevitable part of warfare, according
to an expert, who agreed that it should not diminish acts of heroism.

"It's tragic, and we probably feel worse about it," said Stephen Walt,
a professor of International Affairs at the Kennedy School of
Government at Harvard University. "But warfare is a inherently
unpredictable activity. Friendly-fire accidents are a part of modern
warfare and probably existed as far back as the Stone Age."

The Army reported last month that Tillman, 27, was killed April 22
while leading his team of Army Rangers up a remote southeastern
Afghanistan hill to knock out enemy fire that had pinned down other
U.S. soldiers.



More information
• Pat Tillman: An Arizona Hero


As Tillman and other soldiers neared the hill's crest, the Army
reported, Tillman directed his team into firing positions and was shot
and killed as he sprayed enemy positions with fire from his automatic
weapon.

The Army did not specify who fired the shot or shots that killed
Tillman.

For his actions, the Army posthumously awarded Tillman the Silver
Star, its third-highest award for combat valor, saying Tillman led his
Ranger team that day "without regard for his own safety" and was shot
and killed heroically trying to save his comrades. The Army said his
actions helped the trapped soldiers maneuver to safety "without taking
a single casualty."

Tillman's platoon was in the region as part of a spring offensive
called Operation Mountain Storm, aimed at rooting out hard-line
Taliban and al-Qaida fighters.

Tillman, who to many people had become a symbol of American
patriotism, had walked away from a lucrative contract extension
offered by the Cardinals to join the Army in 2002.

Officials at the Pentagon and at Central Command headquarters in
Tampa, late Friday declined to provide more details of the
investigation's findings.

But an e-mail circulated within the House Armed Services Committee
from committee staff members said: "Army just called to give us a
heads up. They have every reason to believe the 15-6 investigation
shows Pat Tillman was killed as a result of friendly fire."

That same message continues, "The Army has notified his family, so it
may come out in the media this weekend."

Army Regulation 15-6 is used as the basis for many investigations
requiring a detailed gathering and analyzing of facts, from
"fratricide accidents," or friendly-fire incidents, to other matters,
including civilian shootings or injuries, accidental weapons
discharges or allegations of misconduct.

"David" wrote in message
...
Tillman killed by friendly fire



Pat Tillman

Billy House
Republic Washington Bureau
May. 29, 2004 12:00 AM

So?

From: "T. Early"

So?

Are you incapable of figuring out the obvious?

So, it's ashame we're killing our own forces.


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Michael 'I'm too stupid to understand the basics of life' Bryant wrote:

From: "T. Early"

So?

Are you incapable of figuring out the obvious?

So, it's ashame we're killing our own forces.

**** happens, Fat Boy. For a good example of that, go look in the
mirror!

helmsman wrote:

On Sat, 29 May 2004 14:00:07 GMT, David wrote:

Tillman killed by friendly fire

Pat Tillman

Billy House
Republic Washington Bureau
May. 29, 2004 12:00 AM

WASHINGTON - Pat Tillman, the former Arizona Cardinals football player
who died in April while a U.S. soldier fighting in Afghanistan, likely
was killed by friendly fire, an Army investigation has concluded.

"likely"

The fog of war, it happens, and always will.
RIP

Bryant is in a drug induced fog and can't comprehend that, let alone much
of anything else.

From: helmsman

The fog of war, it happens, and always will.

Didn't you say essentially the same thing about prisoner abuse?
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"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From: "T. Early"

So?

Are you incapable of figuring out the obvious?

So, it's ashame we're killing our own forces.

MB. You constantly throw **** but have no answers. I can only guess how your
going to spin this one.

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From: "Brian Hill"

So, it's ashame we're killing our own forces.

MB. You constantly throw **** but have no answers. I can only guess how your
going to spin this one.


What do I have to spin? It is a shame we're killing so many of our own troops.
Is your answer to grieving families to just suck it up?

Hey, I got an answer: Let's be more careful with our use of force if we end up
killing so many of our allies and even our own soldiers.

See, no spin necessary.


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"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From: helmsman

The fog of war, it happens, and always will.

Didn't you say essentially the same thing about prisoner abuse?

No. I did.

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Michael 'I'm not supporting the American side in this war' Bryant wrote:

From: "Brian Hill"

So, it's ashame we're killing our own forces.

MB. You constantly throw **** but have no answers. I can only guess how your
going to spin this one.


What do I have to spin? It is a shame we're killing so many of our own troops.
Is your answer to grieving families to just suck it up?

Hey, I got an answer: Let's be more careful with our use of force if we end up
killing so many of our allies and even our own soldiers.

They're not 'your' soldiers, Traitor Boy!

"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From: "Brian Hill"

So, it's ashame we're killing our own forces.

MB. You constantly throw **** but have no answers. I can only guess how
your
going to spin this one.


What do I have to spin? It is a shame we're killing so many of our own
troops.
Is your answer to grieving families to just suck it up?

Hey, I got an answer: Let's be more careful with our use of force if we
end up
killing so many of our allies and even our own soldiers.

Whats so hard for you to understand that it is common in war?

From: "Brian Hill"

Didn't you say essentially the same thing about prisoner abuse?

No. I did.

Actually, I think you both did.

And it figures.


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From: "Brian Hill"

Hey, I got an answer: Let's be more careful with our use of force if we
end up
killing so many of our allies and even our own soldiers.

Whats so hard for you to understand that it is common in war?

What's so hard for you to understand that that common tendency in war should be
a reason why we avoid the initiation of armed conflicts?


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"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From: "Brian Hill"

Didn't you say essentially the same thing about prisoner abuse?

No. I did.

Actually, I think you both did.

And it figures.

I know the truth is hard for some to grasp!

Michael 'I just can't make it in the real world, that's why I stayed in
school' Bryant wrote:

From: "Brian Hill"

Didn't you say essentially the same thing about prisoner abuse?

No. I did.

Actually, I think you both did.

And it figures.

It figures that a total retard such as yourself just doesn't get it.

Michael 'I just don't like America anymore, but no one else will take me' Bryant
wrote:

From: "Brian Hill"

Hey, I got an answer: Let's be more careful with our use of force if we
end up
killing so many of our allies and even our own soldiers.

Whats so hard for you to understand that it is common in war?

What's so hard for you to understand that that common tendency in war should be
a reason why we avoid the initiation of armed conflicts?

Tell it to your buddies on the other side, Traitor Boy!

"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From: "Brian Hill"

Hey, I got an answer: Let's be more careful with our use of force if we
end up
killing so many of our allies and even our own soldiers.

Whats so hard for you to understand that it is common in war?

What's so hard for you to understand that that common tendency in war
should be
a reason why we avoid the initiation of armed conflicts?


Some times war is necessary to beat down the evil scum that plague the
planet! You enjoy your cake. Sorry you can't keep it too.

From: "Brian Hill"

Some times war is necessary to beat down the evil scum that plague the
planet! You enjoy your cake. Sorry you can't keep it too.

So, what you really desire is for the US to declare war on evil scum all across
the planet? I though GW Bush ran for President saying that US would not become
the global police force on his beat.


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Michael 'I have to have everything explained to me, over and over again' Bryant
wrote:

From: "Brian Hill"

Some times war is necessary to beat down the evil scum that plague the
planet! You enjoy your cake. Sorry you can't keep it too.

So, what you really desire is for the US to declare war on evil scum all across
the planet? I though GW Bush ran for President saying that US would not become
the global police force on his beat.

And we are certainly not, Fat Boy. The USofA is merely fighting terrorism, a war
the USofA clearly did not start.

Put that in your bong pipe and smoke it.

"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From: "Brian Hill"

Some times war is necessary to beat down the evil scum that plague the
planet! You enjoy your cake. Sorry you can't keep it too.

So, what you really desire is for the US to declare war on evil scum all
across
the planet? I though GW Bush ran for President saying that US would not
become
the global police force on his beat.

No only the ones that harm their people or desire our destruction.

From: dxAce

And we are certainly not, Fat Boy. The USofA is merely fighting terrorism, a
war
the USofA clearly did not start.

And in the process, definig anything we oppose as teerorism or
terrorist-supporters.


Put that in your bong pipe and smoke it.

Don't play with fire, Steve.


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Michael 'my bong is full, and I got matches' Bryant wrote:

From: dxAce

And we are certainly not, Fat Boy. The USofA is merely fighting terrorism, a
war
the USofA clearly did not start.

And in the process, definig anything we oppose as teerorism or
terrorist-supporters.

Having a bad day with the spell-checker, Fat Boy?

"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
And in the process, definig anything we oppose as teerorism or
terrorist-supporters.

Did you know they use a substance as hard as your head to cut glass?

"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From: "T. Early"

So?

Are you incapable of figuring out the obvious?

So, it's ashame we're killing our own forces.


Yes, it's a shame and it's a shame every time it's happened since the
Revolutionary War. And that's worth bandwidth in this group
because....?

In other words..so?

I am wondering, if possibly, he was shot by his own guys for some reason or
another? There were numerous examples of this during the Vietnam war, where
soilders made the decision to take out the incompetent leaders to save their
own lives.

No matther what this guy was out there helping preserve our freedom, right
our wrong!



"David" wrote in message
...
Tillman killed by friendly fire



Pat Tillman

Billy House
Republic Washington Bureau
May. 29, 2004 12:00 AM


WASHINGTON - Pat Tillman, the former Arizona Cardinals football player
who died in April while a U.S. soldier fighting in Afghanistan, likely
was killed by friendly fire, an Army investigation has concluded.

News of that finding was disseminated Friday to some members of
Congress and some Tillman family members just as the Memorial Day
weekend was to begin, including today's dedication ceremonies in
Washington of the World War II Memorial.

"It does seem pretty clear that he was killed by friendly fire," said
Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., a member of the House Armed Services
Committee, which was alerted to the information by the Army's
Legislative Liaison Office.

"This does not take away one iota from the heroic nature and courage
of the man. The source of that fire is of little consequence in terms
of heroism," Franks said. He said that after learning of the Army's
conclusions, he made some follow-up inquiries and was satisfied the
information was accurate.

Friendly-fire accidents are an inevitable part of warfare, according
to an expert, who agreed that it should not diminish acts of heroism.

"It's tragic, and we probably feel worse about it," said Stephen Walt,
a professor of International Affairs at the Kennedy School of
Government at Harvard University. "But warfare is a inherently
unpredictable activity. Friendly-fire accidents are a part of modern
warfare and probably existed as far back as the Stone Age."

The Army reported last month that Tillman, 27, was killed April 22
while leading his team of Army Rangers up a remote southeastern
Afghanistan hill to knock out enemy fire that had pinned down other
U.S. soldiers.



More information
. Pat Tillman: An Arizona Hero


As Tillman and other soldiers neared the hill's crest, the Army
reported, Tillman directed his team into firing positions and was shot
and killed as he sprayed enemy positions with fire from his automatic
weapon.

The Army did not specify who fired the shot or shots that killed
Tillman.

For his actions, the Army posthumously awarded Tillman the Silver
Star, its third-highest award for combat valor, saying Tillman led his
Ranger team that day "without regard for his own safety" and was shot
and killed heroically trying to save his comrades. The Army said his
actions helped the trapped soldiers maneuver to safety "without taking
a single casualty."

Tillman's platoon was in the region as part of a spring offensive
called Operation Mountain Storm, aimed at rooting out hard-line
Taliban and al-Qaida fighters.

Tillman, who to many people had become a symbol of American
patriotism, had walked away from a lucrative contract extension
offered by the Cardinals to join the Army in 2002.

Officials at the Pentagon and at Central Command headquarters in
Tampa, late Friday declined to provide more details of the
investigation's findings.

But an e-mail circulated within the House Armed Services Committee
from committee staff members said: "Army just called to give us a
heads up. They have every reason to believe the 15-6 investigation
shows Pat Tillman was killed as a result of friendly fire."

That same message continues, "The Army has notified his family, so it
may come out in the media this weekend."

Army Regulation 15-6 is used as the basis for many investigations
requiring a detailed gathering and analyzing of facts, from
"fratricide accidents," or friendly-fire incidents, to other matters,
including civilian shootings or injuries, accidental weapons
discharges or allegations of misconduct.

Jim Douglas wrote:

I am wondering, if possibly, he was shot by his own guys for some reason or
another? There were numerous examples of this during the Vietnam war, where
soilders made the decision to take out the incompetent leaders to save their
own lives.

Perhaps... but you've stooped to the idiocy of Bryant with that one.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Consider yourself a 'tard!

Have a nice day... choke on your chicken, and all of that.

War is stupid. We are all guilty for allowing this insanity to
continue.

On Sat, 29 May 2004 12:05:01 -0400, "T. Early"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
.. .
Tillman killed by friendly fire



Pat Tillman

Billy House
Republic Washington Bureau
May. 29, 2004 12:00 AM

So?

"T. Early"
wrote:

So?

So, you say that all war results in friendly fire deaths. Good reason to
carefully scrutinize when to engage in armed conflict, right?



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Michael 'I'm a disgusting fat apologist for the left' Bryant wrote:

"T. Early"
wrote:

So?

So, you say that all war results in friendly fire deaths. Good reason to
carefully scrutinize when to engage in armed conflict, right?

Do you wake up stupid, or do you find it takes a few minutes to get up to
speed?

"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
"T. Early"
wrote:

So?

So, you say that all war results in friendly fire deaths. Good
reason to
carefully scrutinize when to engage in armed conflict, right?


I'd agree with that.

But it's also a good reason to carefully scrutinize why you to
omit/snip the particular posts to which you're responding. Here's my
post indicating that "all war results in friendly fire deaths":

"Yes, it's a shame and it's a shame every time it's happened since the
Revolutionary War. And that's worth bandwidth in this group
because....?"

Unfortunately I did not get an answer to -that- question, which is why
I assume it was not reproduced.

From: "Lenny"

"Yes, it's a shame and it's a shame every time it's happened since the
Revolutionary War. And that's worth bandwidth in this group
because....?"

Unfortunately I did not get an answer to -that- question, which is why
I assume it was not reproduced.

The answer was CLEAR. Let me use your own words, just to make it CLEARER.

"Yes, it's a shame and it's a shame every time it's happened since the
Revolutionary War. And that's worth bandwidth in this group because it's a
good reason to carefully scrutinize when to engage in armed conflicts."

Got it?




because....?"

Unfortunately I did not get an answer to -that- question, which is why
I assume it was not reproduced.

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Michael 'I'm just a hillbilly 'tard' Bryant wrote:

From: "Lenny"

"Yes, it's a shame and it's a shame every time it's happened since the
Revolutionary War. And that's worth bandwidth in this group
because....?"

Unfortunately I did not get an answer to -that- question, which is why
I assume it was not reproduced.

The answer was CLEAR. Let me use your own words, just to make it CLEARER.

"Yes, it's a shame and it's a shame every time it's happened since the
Revolutionary War. And that's worth bandwidth in this group because it's a
good reason to carefully scrutinize when to engage in armed conflicts."

Got it?

You'll never 'get it', Fat Boy.

From: dxAce

You'll never 'get it', Fat Boy.

I do "get" that you can't get through a day without your juvenile nonsense in
this NG. You are a stunted child that never grew out of being a bully.

Living all by yourself with nothing but radios for company. Pretty sad.


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Michael 'I'm a very, very fat troll' Bryant wrote:

From: dxAce

You'll never 'get it', Fat Boy.

I do "get" that you can't get through a day without your juvenile nonsense in
this NG. You are a stunted child that never grew out of being a bully.

Living all by yourself with nothing but radios for company. Pretty sad.

LOL... get a clue, Fat Boy!

"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
I do "get" that you can't get through a day without your juvenile nonsense
in
this NG.

You don't get it! And the fact remains that every time you Left Wing Nazis
post some crap we have to respond. Its our patriotic duty. You know why I'm
all warm and cozy Bryant? Because I wrap myself in the Red White and Blue.
You know why your cold and miserable? Because you burned yours!!
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From: "Brian Hill"

You don't get it! And the fact remains that every time you Left Wing Nazis
post some crap we have to respond. Its our patriotic duty. You know why I'm
all warm and cozy Bryant? Because I wrap myself in the Red White and Blue.
You know why your cold and miserable? Because you burned yours!!

That piece of cloth is just a symbol. It's your side that is busy throwing away
what it stands for. You are not a patriot. You are a neocon.


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Michael 'I'm a total waste' Bryant wrote:

From: "Brian Hill"

You don't get it! And the fact remains that every time you Left Wing Nazis
post some crap we have to respond. Its our patriotic duty. You know why I'm
all warm and cozy Bryant? Because I wrap myself in the Red White and Blue.
You know why your cold and miserable? Because you burned yours!!

That piece of cloth is just a symbol. It's your side that is busy throwing away
what it stands for. You are not a patriot. You are a neocon.

And you are an idiot traitor, Fat Boy!

From

And you are an idiot traitor, Fat Boy!

Could be worse! I could be a neocon idiot traitor, like you, Retard Boy.
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Michael 'I lost my job due to drug use at Weber State' Bryant wrote:

From

And you are an idiot traitor, Fat Boy!

Could be worse! I could be a neocon idiot traitor, like you, Retard Boy.

Says the 'tard with the fake PhD!

dxAce wrote:

Michael 'I lost my job due to drug use at Weber State' Bryant wrote:

From

And you are an idiot traitor, Fat Boy!

Could be worse! I could be a neocon idiot traitor, like you, Retard Boy.

Says the 'tard with the fake PhD!

Fake callsign too!