RHF wrote:

= = = dxAce wrote in message
= = = ...
Margaret von Busenhalter-Butt wrote:

Icom R75 with all the Kiwa mods, including the complete attenuation removal
is roughly equal to Drake R8B in both SW AND MW performance.

True or false?

False.

I have used both radios and have found the R8B to be superior in all respects.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B
"I swear by, not at, Drake receivers"©

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

DX Ace [N8KDV],

Having 'said' your Say.

What would you say was the 'Best Value for the Money' the
Drake R8B or the Icom IC-R75 for a Shortwave Listener (SWL)
moving up from a 'portable' AM/FM/Shortwave Radio to a Desk
Top LW/MW/Shortwave Receiver.

[ ] Drake R8B

[ ] Icom IC-R75 (R-75) with Kiwa Mods.

One or the 'other' Only Please ~ RHF

Why the R8B of course. If one is going to move up, then by all means move up in
style.

"starman" wrote in message
...
Michael wrote:

"starman" wrote in message

Can you give us some examples of the weak signal stations you receive
on
the R-75 with ECSS? What kind of antenna do you use for these DX
stations?

Thanks


DX'ing weak signals have just as much to do with "conditions" as they do
with the power and distance of the transmitted signal. It may be very
easy
to get say...RNZI from my location during times of the day and year when
conditions are good for it, and impossible to pick it up during other
times.

I've used ECSS to identify weak carriers too but I was wondering what
you would consider a good DX catch. What have you heard lately that you
would classify as weak DX, given all the "conditions"

Half of what I listen to is dx, including hams from around the world. If
you need a single example, I'll say .. How about right now.... 21:50 UTC on
7.190 .... I'm listening to what I think is Tunisia. Currently Arabic
music. The signal is barely s-3 and it is quite noisy. The same exact
signal is also being broadcast on 7225. Still a bit noisy with fade out,
but it makes it all the way up to s-7.

I'd call this DX, but not a VERY weak one. It is far away, and it is messy.
The drill here on this signal is to use all the tools at my disposal to
clean it up and see how good I can get it to sound... IE: ecss, filters,
gain, nb, nr... etc.....


Michael

Michael wrote:

"starman" wrote in message
...
Michael wrote:

"starman" wrote in message

Can you give us some examples of the weak signal stations you receive
on
the R-75 with ECSS? What kind of antenna do you use for these DX
stations?

Thanks


DX'ing weak signals have just as much to do with "conditions" as they do
with the power and distance of the transmitted signal. It may be very
easy
to get say...RNZI from my location during times of the day and year when
conditions are good for it, and impossible to pick it up during other
times.

I've used ECSS to identify weak carriers too but I was wondering what
you would consider a good DX catch. What have you heard lately that you
would classify as weak DX, given all the "conditions"

Half of what I listen to is dx, including hams from around the world. If
you need a single example, I'll say .. How about right now.... 21:50 UTC on
7.190 .... I'm listening to what I think is Tunisia. Currently Arabic
music. The signal is barely s-3 and it is quite noisy. The same exact
signal is also being broadcast on 7225. Still a bit noisy with fade out,
but it makes it all the way up to s-7.

I'd call this DX, but not a VERY weak one. It is far away, and it is messy.
The drill here on this signal is to use all the tools at my disposal to
clean it up and see how good I can get it to sound... IE: ecss, filters,
gain, nb, nr... etc.....

About S8 here on both frequencies.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

dxAce© wrote:

Michael wrote:

"starman" wrote in message
...
Michael wrote:

"starman" wrote in message

Can you give us some examples of the weak signal stations you receive
on
the R-75 with ECSS? What kind of antenna do you use for these DX
stations?

Thanks


DX'ing weak signals have just as much to do with "conditions" as they do
with the power and distance of the transmitted signal. It may be very
easy
to get say...RNZI from my location during times of the day and year when
conditions are good for it, and impossible to pick it up during other
times.

I've used ECSS to identify weak carriers too but I was wondering what
you would consider a good DX catch. What have you heard lately that you
would classify as weak DX, given all the "conditions"

Half of what I listen to is dx, including hams from around the world. If
you need a single example, I'll say .. How about right now.... 21:50 UTC on
7.190 .... I'm listening to what I think is Tunisia. Currently Arabic
music. The signal is barely s-3 and it is quite noisy. The same exact
signal is also being broadcast on 7225. Still a bit noisy with fade out,
but it makes it all the way up to s-7.

I'd call this DX, but not a VERY weak one. It is far away, and it is messy.
The drill here on this signal is to use all the tools at my disposal to
clean it up and see how good I can get it to sound... IE: ecss, filters,
gain, nb, nr... etc.....

About S8 here on both frequencies.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B


To be fair, though, Steve - that probably has as much or more to do
with your antenna farm (I've seen the pics and read your description -
it's terrific)
as it does your reciever.

Tony


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"Tony Meloche" wrote in message
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dxAce© wrote:

Michael wrote:

"starman" wrote in message
...
Michael wrote:

"starman" wrote in message

Can you give us some examples of the weak signal stations you
receive
on
the R-75 with ECSS? What kind of antenna do you use for these DX
stations?

Thanks


DX'ing weak signals have just as much to do with "conditions" as
they do
with the power and distance of the transmitted signal. It may be
very
easy
to get say...RNZI from my location during times of the day and
year when
conditions are good for it, and impossible to pick it up during
other
times.

I've used ECSS to identify weak carriers too but I was wondering
what
you would consider a good DX catch. What have you heard lately that
you
would classify as weak DX, given all the "conditions"

Half of what I listen to is dx, including hams from around the world.
If
you need a single example, I'll say .. How about right now.... 21:50
UTC on
7.190 .... I'm listening to what I think is Tunisia. Currently Arabic
music. The signal is barely s-3 and it is quite noisy. The same exact
signal is also being broadcast on 7225. Still a bit noisy with fade
out,
but it makes it all the way up to s-7.

I'd call this DX, but not a VERY weak one. It is far away, and it is
messy.
The drill here on this signal is to use all the tools at my disposal
to
clean it up and see how good I can get it to sound... IE: ecss,
filters,
gain, nb, nr... etc.....

About S8 here on both frequencies.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B


To be fair, though, Steve - that probably has as much or more to do
with your antenna farm (I've seen the pics and read your description -
it's terrific)
as it does your reciever.


I was getting it as s-7 on 7225 with my 200 ft roof wire. Regardless of
that relatively strong reading, it was noisy and had fade out at times. He
was getting s-8 (a bit higher) on 7225, but was he getting it crystal clear,
or was he getting some noise and fade out also ??? I don't think that
signal would sound like it came out of Sackville from any place in North
America.

Michael

In article ,
Tony Meloche wrote:

dxAce© wrote:

Michael wrote:

"starman" wrote in message
...
Michael wrote:

"starman" wrote in message

Can you give us some examples of the weak signal stations
you receive on the R-75 with ECSS? What kind of antenna do
you use for these DX stations?

Thanks


DX'ing weak signals have just as much to do with "conditions"
as they do with the power and distance of the transmitted
signal. It may be very easy to get say...RNZI from my
location during times of the day and year when conditions are
good for it, and impossible to pick it up during other times.

I've used ECSS to identify weak carriers too but I was
wondering what you would consider a good DX catch. What have
you heard lately that you would classify as weak DX, given all
the "conditions"

Half of what I listen to is dx, including hams from around the
world. If you need a single example, I'll say .. How about right
now.... 21:50 UTC on 7.190 .... I'm listening to what I think is
Tunisia. Currently Arabic music. The signal is barely s-3 and it
is quite noisy. The same exact signal is also being broadcast on
7225. Still a bit noisy with fade out, but it makes it all the
way up to s-7.

I'd call this DX, but not a VERY weak one. It is far away, and
it is messy. The drill here on this signal is to use all the
tools at my disposal to clean it up and see how good I can get it
to sound... IE: ecss, filters, gain, nb, nr... etc.....

About S8 here on both frequencies.

Steve Holland, MI Drake R7, R8 and R8B


To be fair, though, Steve - that probably has as much or more to do
with your antenna farm (I've seen the pics and read your description
- it's terrific) as it does your reciever.

Steve does have good antennas but the Drake R8B is very sensitive. One
thing about different manufactures is their attitude toward
specifications. Some rate their product more conservatively than
others. Just something to keep in mind perusing the specifications
between different manufactures of radio equipment.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Tony Meloche wrote:

dxAce© wrote:

Michael wrote:

"starman" wrote in message
...
Michael wrote:

"starman" wrote in message

Can you give us some examples of the weak signal stations
you receive on the R-75 with ECSS? What kind of antenna do
you use for these DX stations?

Thanks


DX'ing weak signals have just as much to do with "conditions"
as they do with the power and distance of the transmitted
signal. It may be very easy to get say...RNZI from my
location during times of the day and year when conditions are
good for it, and impossible to pick it up during other times.

I've used ECSS to identify weak carriers too but I was
wondering what you would consider a good DX catch. What have
you heard lately that you would classify as weak DX, given all
the "conditions"

Half of what I listen to is dx, including hams from around the
world. If you need a single example, I'll say .. How about right
now.... 21:50 UTC on 7.190 .... I'm listening to what I think is
Tunisia. Currently Arabic music. The signal is barely s-3 and it
is quite noisy. The same exact signal is also being broadcast on
7225. Still a bit noisy with fade out, but it makes it all the
way up to s-7.

I'd call this DX, but not a VERY weak one. It is far away, and
it is messy. The drill here on this signal is to use all the
tools at my disposal to clean it up and see how good I can get it
to sound... IE: ecss, filters, gain, nb, nr... etc.....

About S8 here on both frequencies.

Steve Holland, MI Drake R7, R8 and R8B


To be fair, though, Steve - that probably has as much or more to do
with your antenna farm (I've seen the pics and read your description
- it's terrific) as it does your reciever.

Steve does have good antennas but the Drake R8B is very sensitive. One
thing about different manufactures is their attitude toward
specifications. Some rate their product more conservatively than
others. Just something to keep in mind perusing the specifications
between different manufactures of radio equipment.


I don't think the difference between him picking it up on 7225 as s-8 and me
picking it up as s-7 is enough of a difference to base it on his receiver
being more sensitive. It is hardly any difference at all. If I checked
the meter ten seconds later, mine might have been at s-6 or s-9 the way it
was coming in and out.

One real question here... And one that I'm interested in.... Why would I
get it on 7190 at only s-3 while he gets it as s-8 ??? We're both getting
it about the same strength on 7225, so why should we be getting such a
measurable difference on 7190 ??? I'd say it probably has more to do with
the peculiarity of our locations in respect to the transmitter and what ever
comes between them rather then our receivers.

Michael

Michael wrote:

"Tony Meloche" wrote in message
...


dxAce© wrote:

Michael wrote:

"starman" wrote in message
...
Michael wrote:

"starman" wrote in message

Can you give us some examples of the weak signal stations you
receive
on
the R-75 with ECSS? What kind of antenna do you use for these DX
stations?

Thanks


DX'ing weak signals have just as much to do with "conditions" as
they do
with the power and distance of the transmitted signal. It may be
very
easy
to get say...RNZI from my location during times of the day and
year when
conditions are good for it, and impossible to pick it up during
other
times.

I've used ECSS to identify weak carriers too but I was wondering
what
you would consider a good DX catch. What have you heard lately that
you
would classify as weak DX, given all the "conditions"

Half of what I listen to is dx, including hams from around the world.
If
you need a single example, I'll say .. How about right now.... 21:50
UTC on
7.190 .... I'm listening to what I think is Tunisia. Currently Arabic
music. The signal is barely s-3 and it is quite noisy. The same exact
signal is also being broadcast on 7225. Still a bit noisy with fade
out,
but it makes it all the way up to s-7.

I'd call this DX, but not a VERY weak one. It is far away, and it is
messy.
The drill here on this signal is to use all the tools at my disposal
to
clean it up and see how good I can get it to sound... IE: ecss,
filters,
gain, nb, nr... etc.....

About S8 here on both frequencies.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B


To be fair, though, Steve - that probably has as much or more to do
with your antenna farm (I've seen the pics and read your description -
it's terrific)
as it does your reciever.


I was getting it as s-7 on 7225 with my 200 ft roof wire. Regardless of
that relatively strong reading, it was noisy and had fade out at times. He
was getting s-8 (a bit higher) on 7225, but was he getting it crystal clear,
or was he getting some noise and fade out also ??? I don't think that
signal would sound like it came out of Sackville from any place in North
America.

Very little noise, only about 1-2 S units of fade at the time.

A fairly nice sounding signal. I was listening in AM (6 kHz) on the R8 with the
sync on.

Tunisia generally comes in well here on those frequencies.

I was using the 70' N-S wire.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

dxAce wrote in message ...
RHF wrote:

= = = dxAce wrote in message
= = = ...
Margaret von Busenhalter-Butt wrote:

Icom R75 with all the Kiwa mods, including the complete attenuation removal
is roughly equal to Drake R8B in both SW AND MW performance.

True or false?

False.

I have used both radios and have found the R8B to be superior in all respects.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B
"I swear by, not at, Drake receivers"©

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

DX Ace [N8KDV],

Having 'said' your Say.

What would you say was the 'Best Value for the Money' the
Drake R8B or the Icom IC-R75 for a Shortwave Listener (SWL)
moving up from a 'portable' AM/FM/Shortwave Radio to a Desk
Top LW/MW/Shortwave Receiver.

[ ] Drake R8B

[ ] Icom IC-R75 (R-75) with Kiwa Mods.

One or the 'other' Only Please ~ RHF

Why the R8B of course. If one is going to move up, then by all means move up in
style.

DX Ace,

Style is Good.
-&-
Technically Better is Good.

But the Question was:
"What would you say was the 'Best Value for the Money' ?"

[ ] Drake R8B

[ ] Icom IC-R75 (R-75) with Kiwa Mods.

One or the 'other' Only Please ~ RHF

..

RHF wrote:

dxAce wrote in message ...
RHF wrote:

= = = dxAce wrote in message
= = = ...
Margaret von Busenhalter-Butt wrote:

Icom R75 with all the Kiwa mods, including the complete attenuation removal
is roughly equal to Drake R8B in both SW AND MW performance.

True or false?

False.

I have used both radios and have found the R8B to be superior in all respects.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B
"I swear by, not at, Drake receivers"©

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

DX Ace [N8KDV],

Having 'said' your Say.

What would you say was the 'Best Value for the Money' the
Drake R8B or the Icom IC-R75 for a Shortwave Listener (SWL)
moving up from a 'portable' AM/FM/Shortwave Radio to a Desk
Top LW/MW/Shortwave Receiver.

[ ] Drake R8B

[ ] Icom IC-R75 (R-75) with Kiwa Mods.

One or the 'other' Only Please ~ RHF

Why the R8B of course. If one is going to move up, then by all means move up in
style.

DX Ace,

Style is Good.
-&-
Technically Better is Good.

But the Question was:
"What would you say was the 'Best Value for the Money' ?"

[ ] Drake R8B

[ ] Icom IC-R75 (R-75) with Kiwa Mods.

How many times are you going to ask me the same question?

Do you think I'll answer any differently?