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Michael June 3rd 04 11:22 PM

7190 & 7225 Tunisa revisited for comparison
 
06/03/04 @ 21:50 UTC

Done with R-75 and 200ft "FRANKENSTEIN"

7190; In am mode there is moderate noise and fade out. There is also a
serious heterodyne or some kind of IF causing a groan/whistle on the usb.
Signal from a low of s-3 to a high of s-8 in am. LSB is nice and clear.
Peak modulation brings it up to a max of s-6 in LSB. It is still a bit
noisy but some nr helps enough to make it practical to listen to in lsb.

7225: Solid in am mode and a fair bit cleaner then the 7190 signal. In am a
low of s-6 to a height of s-8. Good in both lsb and usb. In ssb at peak
modulation it is also a max of s-6.

I tried my PL-550 and my KA-1102 on both signals using the Tecsun external
reel antenna and found that neither radio is doing a good job of dealing
with it. Both are nothing but LOTS of noise on 7190. On 7225, you can hear
it on both radios, but it is noisy as all get out. Usually, I find that my
portables can hear most of what my R-75 can hear, but it this case, they
cant.

Clearly, 7190 has problems making it here clearly for one reason or another
compared to 7225 that is doing well on the R-75. Despite that though, in
ssb on the R-75, even though 7190 is more noisy, both come in at a max of
s-6 when they are in ssb.
--
Respectfully,

Michael

Location: New Jersey
Primary Receiver: R-75 with full Kiwa mods
Antennas: G5RV, 200ft "Frankenstein" roof wire
Additional Radios: KA-1101,KA-1102,PL-550,
KA-989, Info-Mate 837, GE-SR III
Westinghouse H-104 (seven tube)
Web Site: http://md_dxing.tripod.com



dxAce June 3rd 04 11:33 PM

Currently both frequencies here are S9 to 10 over at 2230.

Michael wrote:

06/03/04 @ 21:50 UTC

Done with R-75 and 200ft "FRANKENSTEIN"

7190; In am mode there is moderate noise and fade out. There is also a
serious heterodyne or some kind of IF causing a groan/whistle on the usb.
Signal from a low of s-3 to a high of s-8 in am. LSB is nice and clear.
Peak modulation brings it up to a max of s-6 in LSB. It is still a bit
noisy but some nr helps enough to make it practical to listen to in lsb.

7225: Solid in am mode and a fair bit cleaner then the 7190 signal. In am a
low of s-6 to a height of s-8. Good in both lsb and usb. In ssb at peak
modulation it is also a max of s-6.

I tried my PL-550 and my KA-1102 on both signals using the Tecsun external
reel antenna and found that neither radio is doing a good job of dealing
with it. Both are nothing but LOTS of noise on 7190. On 7225, you can hear
it on both radios, but it is noisy as all get out. Usually, I find that my
portables can hear most of what my R-75 can hear, but it this case, they
cant.

Clearly, 7190 has problems making it here clearly for one reason or another
compared to 7225 that is doing well on the R-75. Despite that though, in
ssb on the R-75, even though 7190 is more noisy, both come in at a max of
s-6 when they are in ssb.
--
Respectfully,

Michael

Location: New Jersey
Primary Receiver: R-75 with full Kiwa mods
Antennas: G5RV, 200ft "Frankenstein" roof wire
Additional Radios: KA-1101,KA-1102,PL-550,
KA-989, Info-Mate 837, GE-SR III
Westinghouse H-104 (seven tube)
Web Site: http://md_dxing.tripod.com



dxAce June 3rd 04 11:37 PM



dxAce wrote:

Currently both frequencies here are S9 to 10 over at 2230.


And I just tried them with a 10' wire inside the aluminium sided shack and get
them both at about S6.

Still a decent signal, listening in AM with the 6 kHz filter on the R8.



Michael wrote:

06/03/04 @ 21:50 UTC

Done with R-75 and 200ft "FRANKENSTEIN"

7190; In am mode there is moderate noise and fade out. There is also a
serious heterodyne or some kind of IF causing a groan/whistle on the usb.
Signal from a low of s-3 to a high of s-8 in am. LSB is nice and clear.
Peak modulation brings it up to a max of s-6 in LSB. It is still a bit
noisy but some nr helps enough to make it practical to listen to in lsb.

7225: Solid in am mode and a fair bit cleaner then the 7190 signal. In am a
low of s-6 to a height of s-8. Good in both lsb and usb. In ssb at peak
modulation it is also a max of s-6.

I tried my PL-550 and my KA-1102 on both signals using the Tecsun external
reel antenna and found that neither radio is doing a good job of dealing
with it. Both are nothing but LOTS of noise on 7190. On 7225, you can hear
it on both radios, but it is noisy as all get out. Usually, I find that my
portables can hear most of what my R-75 can hear, but it this case, they
cant.

Clearly, 7190 has problems making it here clearly for one reason or another
compared to 7225 that is doing well on the R-75. Despite that though, in
ssb on the R-75, even though 7190 is more noisy, both come in at a max of
s-6 when they are in ssb.
--
Respectfully,

Michael

Location: New Jersey
Primary Receiver: R-75 with full Kiwa mods
Antennas: G5RV, 200ft "Frankenstein" roof wire
Additional Radios: KA-1101,KA-1102,PL-550,
KA-989, Info-Mate 837, GE-SR III
Westinghouse H-104 (seven tube)
Web Site: http://md_dxing.tripod.com



dxAce June 4th 04 02:28 AM

I wonder if it may be useful to do some comparisons on some other signal
arriving from different directions/frequencies?

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm




Michael June 4th 04 02:37 AM


"dxAce" wrote in message
...
I wonder if it may be useful to do some comparisons on some other signal
arriving from different directions/frequencies?


Sounds like a good idea... Any recommendations on what/when to check ???
I'll post a reception report.

Michael



dxAce June 4th 04 02:40 AM



Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
I wonder if it may be useful to do some comparisons on some other signal
arriving from different directions/frequencies?


Sounds like a good idea... Any recommendations on what/when to check ???
I'll post a reception report.


I'll leave it up to you. Tonight or tomorrow.



Michael June 4th 04 03:05 AM


"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
I wonder if it may be useful to do some comparisons on some other

signal
arriving from different directions/frequencies?


Sounds like a good idea... Any recommendations on what/when to check

???
I'll post a reception report.


I'll leave it up to you. Tonight or tomorrow.


Tomorrow night would be good. We can pick a time for me to start. Either 2
or 3 UTC. What ever is best for you. What I'll do is take the first 30
minutes of the hour and go through either the 31,41 or 49 meter bands. I'll
post a reception log by half way through the hour. This way you'll have
time to check out my report and compare how your receiving them before the
one hour time slot is more then half way over and the show is off the air.

Your pick on either 2 or 3 UTC. Your pick on either 31, 41 or 49 meter
band.

Michael




dxAce June 4th 04 03:11 AM



Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
I wonder if it may be useful to do some comparisons on some other

signal
arriving from different directions/frequencies?


Sounds like a good idea... Any recommendations on what/when to check

???
I'll post a reception report.


I'll leave it up to you. Tonight or tomorrow.


Tomorrow night would be good. We can pick a time for me to start. Either 2
or 3 UTC. What ever is best for you. What I'll do is take the first 30
minutes of the hour and go through either the 31,41 or 49 meter bands. I'll
post a reception log by half way through the hour. This way you'll have
time to check out my report and compare how your receiving them before the
one hour time slot is more then half way over and the show is off the air.

Your pick on either 2 or 3 UTC. Your pick on either 31, 41 or 49 meter
band.


Let's do 2 UTC and 31 meter band.

We can always check the others later on.

Or we could select various targets, and do them in real time together.

Either way, it might be interesting.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



Michael June 4th 04 03:37 AM


"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
I wonder if it may be useful to do some comparisons on some other

signal
arriving from different directions/frequencies?


Sounds like a good idea... Any recommendations on what/when to

check
???
I'll post a reception report.

I'll leave it up to you. Tonight or tomorrow.


Tomorrow night would be good. We can pick a time for me to start.

Either 2
or 3 UTC. What ever is best for you. What I'll do is take the first 30
minutes of the hour and go through either the 31,41 or 49 meter bands.

I'll
post a reception log by half way through the hour. This way you'll have
time to check out my report and compare how your receiving them before

the
one hour time slot is more then half way over and the show is off the

air.

Your pick on either 2 or 3 UTC. Your pick on either 31, 41 or 49 meter
band.


Let's do 2 UTC and 31 meter band.

We can always check the others later on.

Or we could select various targets, and do them in real time together.

Either way, it might be interesting.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm


Real time is fine....

We can do a few now....

9330 BCQ In at s-15+ Sounds like someone talking about doomsday asteroid.

9370 WTJC s-8 and getting splashed from 9375

9375 Greece coming in at s-8 but fades out at times.... getter a heterodyne
from WTJC

9410 BBC peaks at s-10 .. good signal mimimal noise and fade...

9420 Greece again... S-9 but modulation is diminished

9435 Slovakia (I think) s-9, little noise, great modulation....

9460 Turkey... gets as high as s-20 Awesome signal

9505 getting crushed by 9510 so I need to listen in ssb

9510.... Sounds like BBC in a slavic langiage.... heterodyne here from
9505... I think I also here somthing else going on here...

9520 not sure what this is... in a slavic langiage.. news program... peaks
at s-7 and has some fade out... noise floor pops up at times... possible VOA




Michael June 4th 04 03:42 AM


"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
I wonder if it may be useful to do some comparisons on some other

signal
arriving from different directions/frequencies?


Sounds like a good idea... Any recommendations on what/when to

check
???
I'll post a reception report.

I'll leave it up to you. Tonight or tomorrow.


Tomorrow night would be good. We can pick a time for me to start.

Either 2
or 3 UTC. What ever is best for you. What I'll do is take the first 30
minutes of the hour and go through either the 31,41 or 49 meter bands.

I'll
post a reception log by half way through the hour. This way you'll have
time to check out my report and compare how your receiving them before

the
one hour time slot is more then half way over and the show is off the

air.

Your pick on either 2 or 3 UTC. Your pick on either 31, 41 or 49 meter
band.


Let's do 2 UTC and 31 meter band.

We can always check the others later on.

Or we could select various targets, and do them in real time together.

Either way, it might be interesting.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



Here is one more.... This is one that I'm not pulling in too good

9960 VOR from, I think... Armenia ??? Peaks at only s-6. Serious noise
floor popping up. Even the kiwa mod sync looses this one at times.



dxAce June 4th 04 03:47 AM



Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
I wonder if it may be useful to do some comparisons on some other
signal
arriving from different directions/frequencies?


Sounds like a good idea... Any recommendations on what/when to

check
???
I'll post a reception report.

I'll leave it up to you. Tonight or tomorrow.


Tomorrow night would be good. We can pick a time for me to start.

Either 2
or 3 UTC. What ever is best for you. What I'll do is take the first 30
minutes of the hour and go through either the 31,41 or 49 meter bands.

I'll
post a reception log by half way through the hour. This way you'll have
time to check out my report and compare how your receiving them before

the
one hour time slot is more then half way over and the show is off the

air.

Your pick on either 2 or 3 UTC. Your pick on either 31, 41 or 49 meter
band.


Let's do 2 UTC and 31 meter band.

We can always check the others later on.

Or we could select various targets, and do them in real time together.

Either way, it might be interesting.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm


Real time is fine....

We can do a few now....

9330 BCQ In at s-15+ Sounds like someone talking about doomsday asteroid.


S9 + 20

9370 WTJC s-8 and getting splashed from 9375


S9 + 10

9375 Greece coming in at s-8 but fades out at times.... getter a heterodyne
from WTJC


S9, no het.

9410 BBC peaks at s-10 .. good signal mimimal noise and fade...


S9 + 10

9420 Greece again... S-9 but modulation is diminished


S9 + 20

9435 Slovakia (I think) s-9, little noise, great modulation....


No one here on 9435, but 9440 is S9 + a bit.

9460 Turkey... gets as high as s-20 Awesome signal


S9 + 20

9505 getting crushed by 9510 so I need to listen in ssb


S9 + 20, fine in AM

9510.... Sounds like BBC in a slavic langiage.... heterodyne here from
9505... I think I also here somthing else going on here...


S9 + 10, but a bit of splatter from 9505, would be easily rectified on the R8B,
but I'm using the R8.

9520 not sure what this is... in a slavic langiage.. news program... peaks
at s-7 and has some fade out... noise floor pops up at times... possible VOA


S9 here.



dxAce June 4th 04 03:52 AM



Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
I wonder if it may be useful to do some comparisons on some other
signal
arriving from different directions/frequencies?


Sounds like a good idea... Any recommendations on what/when to

check
???
I'll post a reception report.

I'll leave it up to you. Tonight or tomorrow.


Tomorrow night would be good. We can pick a time for me to start.

Either 2
or 3 UTC. What ever is best for you. What I'll do is take the first 30
minutes of the hour and go through either the 31,41 or 49 meter bands.

I'll
post a reception log by half way through the hour. This way you'll have
time to check out my report and compare how your receiving them before

the
one hour time slot is more then half way over and the show is off the

air.

Your pick on either 2 or 3 UTC. Your pick on either 31, 41 or 49 meter
band.


Let's do 2 UTC and 31 meter band.

We can always check the others later on.

Or we could select various targets, and do them in real time together.

Either way, it might be interesting.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



Here is one more.... This is one that I'm not pulling in too good

9960 VOR from, I think... Armenia ??? Peaks at only s-6. Serious noise
floor popping up. Even the kiwa mod sync looses this one at times.


No one on 9660... But indeed there is someone on 9665... with utility
interference.

That I think is part of the problem..

I believe I've noted two frequencies where you think you are hearing something,
but they are removed by 5 kHz.

Might be how you have your passband set.



Michael June 4th 04 04:03 AM


"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
I wonder if it may be useful to do some comparisons on some

other
signal
arriving from different directions/frequencies?


Sounds like a good idea... Any recommendations on what/when to

check
???
I'll post a reception report.

I'll leave it up to you. Tonight or tomorrow.


Tomorrow night would be good. We can pick a time for me to start.

Either 2
or 3 UTC. What ever is best for you. What I'll do is take the first

30
minutes of the hour and go through either the 31,41 or 49 meter

bands.
I'll
post a reception log by half way through the hour. This way you'll

have
time to check out my report and compare how your receiving them

before
the
one hour time slot is more then half way over and the show is off

the
air.

Your pick on either 2 or 3 UTC. Your pick on either 31, 41 or 49

meter
band.

Let's do 2 UTC and 31 meter band.

We can always check the others later on.

Or we could select various targets, and do them in real time together.

Either way, it might be interesting.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



Here is one more.... This is one that I'm not pulling in too good

9960 VOR from, I think... Armenia ??? Peaks at only s-6. Serious

noise
floor popping up. Even the kiwa mod sync looses this one at times.


No one on 9660... But indeed there is someone on 9665... with utility
interference.


Yes... 9965, not 9660 I typed it incorrectly. You did also... (9660)

Still... This signal is weak....Currently music.... I don't hear any
utility, though.

Also.. I can cut out any of the hets I mentioned above with the noth filter.

Michael



dxAce June 4th 04 04:08 AM



Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
I wonder if it may be useful to do some comparisons on some

other
signal
arriving from different directions/frequencies?


Sounds like a good idea... Any recommendations on what/when to
check
???
I'll post a reception report.

I'll leave it up to you. Tonight or tomorrow.


Tomorrow night would be good. We can pick a time for me to start.
Either 2
or 3 UTC. What ever is best for you. What I'll do is take the first

30
minutes of the hour and go through either the 31,41 or 49 meter

bands.
I'll
post a reception log by half way through the hour. This way you'll

have
time to check out my report and compare how your receiving them

before
the
one hour time slot is more then half way over and the show is off

the
air.

Your pick on either 2 or 3 UTC. Your pick on either 31, 41 or 49

meter
band.

Let's do 2 UTC and 31 meter band.

We can always check the others later on.

Or we could select various targets, and do them in real time together.

Either way, it might be interesting.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



Here is one more.... This is one that I'm not pulling in too good

9960 VOR from, I think... Armenia ??? Peaks at only s-6. Serious

noise
floor popping up. Even the kiwa mod sync looses this one at times.


No one on 9660... But indeed there is someone on 9665... with utility
interference.


Yes... 9965, not 9660 I typed it incorrectly. You did also... (9660)


You got me there!



Michael June 4th 04 04:11 AM


"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
I wonder if it may be useful to do some comparisons on

some
other
signal
arriving from different directions/frequencies?


Sounds like a good idea... Any recommendations on what/when

to
check
???
I'll post a reception report.

I'll leave it up to you. Tonight or tomorrow.


Tomorrow night would be good. We can pick a time for me to

start.
Either 2
or 3 UTC. What ever is best for you. What I'll do is take the

first
30
minutes of the hour and go through either the 31,41 or 49 meter

bands.
I'll
post a reception log by half way through the hour. This way

you'll
have
time to check out my report and compare how your receiving them

before
the
one hour time slot is more then half way over and the show is

off
the
air.

Your pick on either 2 or 3 UTC. Your pick on either 31, 41 or

49
meter
band.

Let's do 2 UTC and 31 meter band.

We can always check the others later on.

Or we could select various targets, and do them in real time

together.

Either way, it might be interesting.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



Here is one more.... This is one that I'm not pulling in too good

9960 VOR from, I think... Armenia ??? Peaks at only s-6. Serious

noise
floor popping up. Even the kiwa mod sync looses this one at times.

No one on 9660... But indeed there is someone on 9665... with utility
interference.


Yes... 9965, not 9660 I typed it incorrectly. You did also... (9660)


You got me there!

LOL

Let me know if you come on any difficult signals and I'll give 'em a whirl
on my end. I'll be up for another hour tonight.

Michael



dxAce June 4th 04 04:19 AM



Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
I wonder if it may be useful to do some comparisons on

some
other
signal
arriving from different directions/frequencies?


Sounds like a good idea... Any recommendations on what/when

to
check
???
I'll post a reception report.

I'll leave it up to you. Tonight or tomorrow.


Tomorrow night would be good. We can pick a time for me to

start.
Either 2
or 3 UTC. What ever is best for you. What I'll do is take the

first
30
minutes of the hour and go through either the 31,41 or 49 meter
bands.
I'll
post a reception log by half way through the hour. This way

you'll
have
time to check out my report and compare how your receiving them
before
the
one hour time slot is more then half way over and the show is

off
the
air.

Your pick on either 2 or 3 UTC. Your pick on either 31, 41 or

49
meter
band.

Let's do 2 UTC and 31 meter band.

We can always check the others later on.

Or we could select various targets, and do them in real time

together.

Either way, it might be interesting.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



Here is one more.... This is one that I'm not pulling in too good

9960 VOR from, I think... Armenia ??? Peaks at only s-6. Serious
noise
floor popping up. Even the kiwa mod sync looses this one at times.

No one on 9660... But indeed there is someone on 9665... with utility
interference.


Yes... 9965, not 9660 I typed it incorrectly. You did also... (9660)


You got me there!

LOL

Let me know if you come on any difficult signals and I'll give 'em a whirl
on my end. I'll be up for another hour tonight.


There are no difficult signals. There is only poor propagation.



dxAce June 4th 04 04:25 AM



Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
I wonder if it may be useful to do some comparisons on

some
other
signal
arriving from different directions/frequencies?


Sounds like a good idea... Any recommendations on what/when

to
check
???
I'll post a reception report.

I'll leave it up to you. Tonight or tomorrow.


Tomorrow night would be good. We can pick a time for me to

start.
Either 2
or 3 UTC. What ever is best for you. What I'll do is take the

first
30
minutes of the hour and go through either the 31,41 or 49 meter
bands.
I'll
post a reception log by half way through the hour. This way

you'll
have
time to check out my report and compare how your receiving them
before
the
one hour time slot is more then half way over and the show is

off
the
air.

Your pick on either 2 or 3 UTC. Your pick on either 31, 41 or

49
meter
band.

Let's do 2 UTC and 31 meter band.

We can always check the others later on.

Or we could select various targets, and do them in real time

together.

Either way, it might be interesting.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



Here is one more.... This is one that I'm not pulling in too good

9960 VOR from, I think... Armenia ??? Peaks at only s-6. Serious
noise
floor popping up. Even the kiwa mod sync looses this one at times.

No one on 9660... But indeed there is someone on 9665... with utility
interference.


Yes... 9965, not 9660 I typed it incorrectly. You did also... (9660)


You got me there!

LOL

Let me know if you come on any difficult signals and I'll give 'em a whirl
on my end. I'll be up for another hour tonight.


9965 is most likely Voice of Armenia.



Telamon June 4th 04 05:39 AM

In article ,
"Michael" wrote:

06/03/04 @ 21:50 UTC

Done with R-75 and 200ft "FRANKENSTEIN"

7190; In am mode there is moderate noise and fade out. There is also a
serious heterodyne or some kind of IF causing a groan/whistle on the usb.
Signal from a low of s-3 to a high of s-8 in am. LSB is nice and clear.
Peak modulation brings it up to a max of s-6 in LSB. It is still a bit
noisy but some nr helps enough to make it practical to listen to in lsb.

7225: Solid in am mode and a fair bit cleaner then the 7190 signal. In am a
low of s-6 to a height of s-8. Good in both lsb and usb. In ssb at peak
modulation it is also a max of s-6.

I tried my PL-550 and my KA-1102 on both signals using the Tecsun external
reel antenna and found that neither radio is doing a good job of dealing
with it. Both are nothing but LOTS of noise on 7190. On 7225, you can hear
it on both radios, but it is noisy as all get out. Usually, I find that my
portables can hear most of what my R-75 can hear, but it this case, they
cant.

Clearly, 7190 has problems making it here clearly for one reason or another
compared to 7225 that is doing well on the R-75. Despite that though, in
ssb on the R-75, even though 7190 is more noisy, both come in at a max of
s-6 when they are in ssb.


Before you make that assumption about 7190 you should consider making a
dipole cut for 7190.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

longwave June 4th 04 07:07 AM

Michael wrote:

Let me know if you come on any difficult signals and I'll give 'em a whirl
on my end. I'll be up for another hour tonight.

Michael


It would be fun if those on the group who are interested, could do some
real time DX'ing together by using a chat room to share what we're
hearing. Have you ever done this?


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Michael June 4th 04 10:39 PM


"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Michael" wrote:

06/03/04 @ 21:50 UTC

Done with R-75 and 200ft "FRANKENSTEIN"

7190; In am mode there is moderate noise and fade out. There is also a
serious heterodyne or some kind of IF causing a groan/whistle on the

usb.
Signal from a low of s-3 to a high of s-8 in am. LSB is nice and

clear.
Peak modulation brings it up to a max of s-6 in LSB. It is still a bit
noisy but some nr helps enough to make it practical to listen to in lsb.

7225: Solid in am mode and a fair bit cleaner then the 7190 signal. In

am a
low of s-6 to a height of s-8. Good in both lsb and usb. In ssb at peak
modulation it is also a max of s-6.

I tried my PL-550 and my KA-1102 on both signals using the Tecsun

external
reel antenna and found that neither radio is doing a good job of dealing
with it. Both are nothing but LOTS of noise on 7190. On 7225, you can

hear
it on both radios, but it is noisy as all get out. Usually, I find

that my
portables can hear most of what my R-75 can hear, but it this case, they
cant.

Clearly, 7190 has problems making it here clearly for one reason or

another
compared to 7225 that is doing well on the R-75. Despite that though,

in
ssb on the R-75, even though 7190 is more noisy, both come in at a max

of
s-6 when they are in ssb.


Before you make that assumption about 7190 you should consider making a
dipole cut for 7190.


I found that 7190 was also poor on my portables compared to 7225.
Practically speaking, 7190 was not as effective to my location at that time.
It wasn't the antennas, it wasn't the radio. Keep in mind that I have a
preselector between my R-75 and both my antennas and my PL-500 has a built
in antenna tuner.

Michael




Michael June 4th 04 11:32 PM


"longwave" wrote in message
...
Michael wrote:

Let me know if you come on any difficult signals and I'll give 'em a

whirl
on my end. I'll be up for another hour tonight.

Michael


It would be fun if those on the group who are interested, could do some
real time DX'ing together by using a chat room to share what we're
hearing. Have you ever done this?


Chat programs arent my speed... You can post what you come up with right
here and you'll get other people to check it out right away and respond with
a reception report from their location. I usually just put that in my
subject line the time and frequency and others check it out right away and
report on it too.

It would be kewl if we culd get a number of people to assemble for a
particular night during a set two or three hour time slot and post their
finds and stand ready to check out each others posts and respond to them
with a reception report.

Michael



Michael June 5th 04 12:29 AM


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
...
On Fri 04 Jun 2004 06:32:51p, "Michael" wrote in
message t:


"longwave" wrote in message
...
Michael wrote:

Let me know if you come on any difficult signals and I'll give 'em a

whirl
on my end. I'll be up for another hour tonight.

Michael

It would be fun if those on the group who are interested, could do some
real time DX'ing together by using a chat room to share what we're
hearing. Have you ever done this?


Chat programs arent my speed... You can post what you come up with
right here and you'll get other people to check it out right away and
respond with a reception report from their location. I usually just put
that in my subject line the time and frequency and others check it out
right away and report on it too.

It would be kewl if we culd get a number of people to assemble for a
particular night during a set two or three hour time slot and post their
finds and stand ready to check out each others posts and respond to them
with a reception report.

Michael



Someone in here has a chat-applet on his web-site and I wonder if it would
be available and private enough? Alternatively, there are a variety of
instant-messaging apps available.

One possible downside I see to posting the results in RRS (as individual
messages) is trying to read through them in order or having to navigate
through the relevant posts without having to jump around. In any event, it
wouldn't be that difficult to dump all the reports into a single DB or
even some contest logging app, then post a single all-in-one report of the
results from different locations - instead of having to sort through a
long message thread and piece the reports back together in order.

Formatted something like (but not limited to):

Freq1 - Station ID
(listener 1 & QTH) - Time - S-# & Comment (mode, SINPO, whatever)
(listener 2 & QTH) - Time - S-# & Comment
(listener 3 & QTH) - Time - S-# & Comment

Freq2 - Station ID
(listener 1 & QTH) - Time - S-# & Comment
(listener 2 & QTH) - Time - S-# & Comment
(listener 3 & QTH) - Time - S-# & Comment

At the top or bottom you could list each listener's details.
That wouldn't take much effort - I'd even volunteer to compile it - and I
think it might be somewhat easier to read for comparisons....

Just a suggestion - I repeat - Just a suggestion.


Good suggestion. It could be done on a web site in that format. It would
be a great log.

The question... Who would host it ???

Michael



Michael June 5th 04 01:22 AM


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
...
On Fri 04 Jun 2004 07:29:45p, "Michael" wrote in
message t:


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
...
On Fri 04 Jun 2004 06:32:51p, "Michael" wrote in
message t:


"longwave" wrote in message
...
Michael wrote:

Let me know if you come on any difficult signals and I'll give 'em
a
whirl
on my end. I'll be up for another hour tonight.

Michael

It would be fun if those on the group who are interested, could do
some real time DX'ing together by using a chat room to share what
we're hearing. Have you ever done this?


Chat programs arent my speed... You can post what you come up with
right here and you'll get other people to check it out right away and
respond with a reception report from their location. I usually just
put that in my subject line the time and frequency and others check
it out right away and report on it too.

It would be kewl if we culd get a number of people to assemble for a
particular night during a set two or three hour time slot and post
their finds and stand ready to check out each others posts and
respond to them with a reception report.

Michael



Someone in here has a chat-applet on his web-site and I wonder if it
would be available and private enough? Alternatively, there are a
variety of instant-messaging apps available.

One possible downside I see to posting the results in RRS (as
individual messages) is trying to read through them in order or having
to navigate through the relevant posts without having to jump around.
In any event, it wouldn't be that difficult to dump all the reports
into a single DB or even some contest logging app, then post a single
all-in-one report of the results from different locations - instead of
having to sort through a long message thread and piece the reports back
together in order.

Formatted something like (but not limited to):

Freq1 - Station ID
(listener 1 & QTH) - Time - S-# & Comment (mode, SINPO, whatever)
(listener 2 & QTH) - Time - S-# & Comment
(listener 3 & QTH) - Time - S-# & Comment

Freq2 - Station ID
(listener 1 & QTH) - Time - S-# & Comment
(listener 2 & QTH) - Time - S-# & Comment
(listener 3 & QTH) - Time - S-# & Comment

At the top or bottom you could list each listener's details.
That wouldn't take much effort - I'd even volunteer to compile it - and
I think it might be somewhat easier to read for comparisons....

Just a suggestion - I repeat - Just a suggestion.


Good suggestion. It could be done on a web site in that format. It
would be a great log.

The question... Who would host it ???

Michael



I was thinking of just posting the report in here... Or, were you talking
about the participants recording their reports on a web site? I don't know
if there are any freebie web sites that would allow that kind of scripting
- there may be, I've never looked... But, if I wasn't thinking about web-
enabling it, I was thinking about providing a text document (template)
that each person would use to fill out their reception reports - they'd
then email me the completed template and I'd compile them all together
into one report. Something like that...


That sounds good too. You could probably use an excel document to do it.
If we were going to do this to compare how each of the participants received
the same signal at the same time from their location, you could prepare the
excel document before hand and fill in all the signals that we are supposed
to report on. So... say we pick twenty specific signals... You put them on
the excel spread sheet. Each participant fills out the spread sheet and
when he/she is done, it is sent back to be compiled. Then it can just be
cut and paste on to a master excel document with the listeners
ID/Radio/Location as the heading above the copy/paste. Then, the final log
is distributed back to all the participants via e-mail.

Next... Who picks the 20 or so signals to check out ??? What time slot ???

Michael



Michael June 5th 04 02:35 AM


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
...
On Fri 04 Jun 2004 08:22:23p, "Michael" wrote in
message t:


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
...
On Fri 04 Jun 2004 07:29:45p, "Michael" wrote in
message t:


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
...
On Fri 04 Jun 2004 06:32:51p, "Michael" wrote
in message t:


"longwave" wrote in message
...
Michael wrote:

Let me know if you come on any difficult signals and I'll give
'em a
whirl
on my end. I'll be up for another hour tonight.

Michael

It would be fun if those on the group who are interested, could
do some real time DX'ing together by using a chat room to share
what we're hearing. Have you ever done this?


Chat programs arent my speed... You can post what you come up
with right here and you'll get other people to check it out right
away and respond with a reception report from their location. I
usually just put that in my subject line the time and frequency
and others check it out right away and report on it too.

It would be kewl if we culd get a number of people to assemble for
a particular night during a set two or three hour time slot and
post their finds and stand ready to check out each others posts
and respond to them with a reception report.

Michael



Someone in here has a chat-applet on his web-site and I wonder if it
would be available and private enough? Alternatively, there are a
variety of instant-messaging apps available.

One possible downside I see to posting the results in RRS (as
individual messages) is trying to read through them in order or
having to navigate through the relevant posts without having to jump
around. In any event, it wouldn't be that difficult to dump all the
reports into a single DB or even some contest logging app, then post
a single all-in-one report of the results from different locations -
instead of having to sort through a long message thread and piece
the reports back together in order.

Formatted something like (but not limited to):

Freq1 - Station ID
(listener 1 & QTH) - Time - S-# & Comment (mode, SINPO, whatever)
(listener 2 & QTH) - Time - S-# & Comment
(listener 3 & QTH) - Time - S-# & Comment

Freq2 - Station ID
(listener 1 & QTH) - Time - S-# & Comment
(listener 2 & QTH) - Time - S-# & Comment
(listener 3 & QTH) - Time - S-# & Comment

At the top or bottom you could list each listener's details.
That wouldn't take much effort - I'd even volunteer to compile it -
and I think it might be somewhat easier to read for comparisons....

Just a suggestion - I repeat - Just a suggestion.

Good suggestion. It could be done on a web site in that format.
It would be a great log.

The question... Who would host it ???

Michael



I was thinking of just posting the report in here... Or, were you
talking about the participants recording their reports on a web site? I
don't know if there are any freebie web sites that would allow that
kind of scripting - there may be, I've never looked... But, if I wasn't
thinking about web- enabling it, I was thinking about providing a text
document (template) that each person would use to fill out their
reception reports - they'd then email me the completed template and I'd
compile them all together into one report. Something like that...


That sounds good too. You could probably use an excel document to do
it. If we were going to do this to compare how each of the participants
received the same signal at the same time from their location, you could
prepare the excel document before hand and fill in all the signals that
we are supposed to report on. So... say we pick twenty specific
signals... You put them on the excel spread sheet. Each participant
fills out the spread sheet and when he/she is done, it is sent back to
be compiled. Then it can just be cut and paste on to a master excel
document with the listeners ID/Radio/Location as the heading above the
copy/paste. Then, the final log is distributed back to all the
participants via e-mail.

Next... Who picks the 20 or so signals to check out ??? What time slot
???

Michael



I wouldn't presume to pick the stations - I'll gladly follow someone
else's lead there. I also thought a text doc would be the lowest common
denominator for everyone - I don't know if everyone has excel...

If there was some real-time chat available, the stations could be decided
"on the fly" and the template I have in mind would accomodate that. I'd
recommend using the K.I.S.S. design method at every opportunity...


Sounds good to me...

Lets see how many participants we can drum up....

Michael




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