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The Greatest President In My Lifetime
Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals hate
him). May he rest in peace. So long, Sir. We will continue your fight against the marxist left. And we will win. |
Subject: The Greatest President In My Lifetime
From: at (CRUSH THE LEFT) Date: 6/5/2004 8:12 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals hate him). May he rest in peace. So long, Sir. We will continue your fight against the marxist left. And we will win. The Russians defeated themselves dimwit! They militarily spent their country into oblivion. We don't have to win anything. That part of the cold war is over. Do you ever read a newspaper? I thought not. Les |
"Llgpt" wrote in message ... Subject: The Greatest President In My Lifetime From: at (CRUSH THE LEFT) Date: 6/5/2004 8:12 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals hate him). May he rest in peace. So long, Sir. We will continue your fight against the marxist left. And we will win. The Russians defeated themselves dimwit! They militarily spent their country into oblivion. We don't have to win anything. That part of the cold war is over. Do you ever read a newspaper? I thought not. Actually, Pope John Paul II and Lech Welesa's Solidarity Union had more to do with the fall of the Soviet Union than anyone in the US did. Poland was the first to fall, followed shortly by E. Germany.. both because the people there developed the intestinal fortitude to stand up against their oppressive governments. |
Brenda Ann Dyer wrote: "Llgpt" wrote in message ... Subject: The Greatest President In My Lifetime From: at (CRUSH THE LEFT) Date: 6/5/2004 8:12 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals hate him). May he rest in peace. So long, Sir. We will continue your fight against the marxist left. And we will win. The Russians defeated themselves dimwit! They militarily spent their country into oblivion. We don't have to win anything. That part of the cold war is over. Do you ever read a newspaper? I thought not. Actually, Pope John Paul II and Lech Welesa's Solidarity Union had more to do with the fall of the Soviet Union than anyone in the US did. Poland was the first to fall, followed shortly by E. Germany.. both because the people there developed the intestinal fortitude to stand up against their oppressive governments. That's great... but there were indeed underlying reasons why they were able to do so! Steve Holland, MI Drake R7, R8 and R8B http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
RE fall of Soviet Union..
- Thought what he ( or someone behind him did) was to propose a " Starwars" missle defense system, and start work on it Thinking it was aboout " First Strike" The Russians started working to defend against it.. only It was a huge hoax ! - No real program, just dummy blueprints, hiring people to work in it's outlines and press releases. Wounded & weakened from 10 years in Afghanistan, ( note ) The soviets spent themselves into oblivion rearming against the Starwars Hoax .... And the really big secret was WHAT A MESS the Soviet Union really was... Dan In article , "Brenda Ann Dyer" writes: Subject: The Greatest President In My Lifetime From: "Brenda Ann Dyer" Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:09:40 +0900 "Llgpt" wrote in message ... Subject: The Greatest President In My Lifetime From: at (CRUSH THE LEFT) Date: 6/5/2004 8:12 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals hate him). May he rest in peace. So long, Sir. We will continue your fight against the marxist left. And we will win. The Russians defeated themselves dimwit! They militarily spent their country into oblivion. We don't have to win anything. That part of the cold war is over. Do you ever read a newspaper? I thought not. Actually, Pope John Paul II and Lech Welesa's Solidarity Union had more to do with the fall of the Soviet Union than anyone in the US did. Poland was the first to fall, followed shortly by E. Germany.. both because the people there developed the intestinal fortitude to stand up against their oppressive governments. |
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"Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote: "Llgpt" wrote in message ... Subject: The Greatest President In My Lifetime From: at (CRUSH THE LEFT) Date: 6/5/2004 8:12 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals hate him). May he rest in peace. So long, Sir. We will continue your fight against the marxist left. And we will win. The Russians defeated themselves dimwit! They militarily spent their country into oblivion. We don't have to win anything. That part of the cold war is over. Do you ever read a newspaper? I thought not. Actually, Pope John Paul II and Lech Welesa's Solidarity Union had more to do with the fall of the Soviet Union than anyone in the US did. Poland was the first to fall, followed shortly by E. Germany.. both because the people there developed the intestinal fortitude to stand up against their oppressive governments. You are wrong about this. Reagan's action were the reason. He had the vision and the will to make this happen. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Go back and take a look at history, Telamon. Eastern Europeans have a history of
standing up to the Russians. Budapest in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968 come to mind and it was a shame that the USA decided to abandon those countries and do nothing. The Solidarity revolution was a Polish revolution which had NOTHING AT ALL to do with Reagan or the USA. Brenda Ann quite rightly pointed out that the Poles and the East Germans stood up to the Russians of their own accord. Poland, out of all the Eastern European block, has always had the stones to fight back a little and retain some measure of autonomy. I've always liked Reagan but he sure as hell didn't have anything to do with the Solidarity revolution. Regards John Barnard Telamon wrote: In article , "Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote: "Llgpt" wrote in message ... Subject: The Greatest President In My Lifetime From: at (CRUSH THE LEFT) Date: 6/5/2004 8:12 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals hate him). May he rest in peace. So long, Sir. We will continue your fight against the marxist left. And we will win. The Russians defeated themselves dimwit! They militarily spent their country into oblivion. We don't have to win anything. That part of the cold war is over. Do you ever read a newspaper? I thought not. Actually, Pope John Paul II and Lech Welesa's Solidarity Union had more to do with the fall of the Soviet Union than anyone in the US did. Poland was the first to fall, followed shortly by E. Germany.. both because the people there developed the intestinal fortitude to stand up against their oppressive governments. You are wrong about this. Reagan's action were the reason. He had the vision and the will to make this happen. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
If you ever get the chance see "Good-bye, Lenin". It's a very good movie
concerning the fall of communism in East Germany. Regards John Barnard Brenda Ann Dyer wrote: "Llgpt" wrote in message ... Subject: The Greatest President In My Lifetime From: at (CRUSH THE LEFT) Date: 6/5/2004 8:12 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals hate him). May he rest in peace. So long, Sir. We will continue your fight against the marxist left. And we will win. The Russians defeated themselves dimwit! They militarily spent their country into oblivion. We don't have to win anything. That part of the cold war is over. Do you ever read a newspaper? I thought not. Actually, Pope John Paul II and Lech Welesa's Solidarity Union had more to do with the fall of the Soviet Union than anyone in the US did. Poland was the first to fall, followed shortly by E. Germany.. both because the people there developed the intestinal fortitude to stand up against their oppressive governments. |
In article , John Barnard
wrote: Go back and take a look at history, Telamon. Eastern Europeans have a history of standing up to the Russians. Budapest in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968 come to mind and it was a shame that the USA decided to abandon those countries and do nothing. The Solidarity revolution was a Polish revolution which had NOTHING AT ALL to do with Reagan or the USA. Brenda Ann quite rightly pointed out that the Poles and the East Germans stood up to the Russians of their own accord. Poland, out of all the Eastern European block, has always had the stones to fight back a little and retain some measure of autonomy. I've always liked Reagan but he sure as hell didn't have anything to do with the Solidarity revolution. Sorry go back and read it yourself. We outspent Russia in the arms race bankrupting them. When Russia lost the arms race Gorby negotiated the current state of affairs with Reagan. That's why things changed. The Polish Solidarity was a help but not the reason. Besides Reagan gave aid and assistance to the Solidarity union and other opposition groups in eastern europe. Neither you nor anyone else can pull this revisionist bull**** on me. I saw this happen in real time. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...re_eu/reagan_c old_war_legacy_2 -- Telamon Ventura, California |
In article , Noel
writes: Llgpt is right, the Soviet Union spent itself out of existence. War in Afghanistan, ( against the CIA supported rebels ) Supporting Cuba, then the arms race and troubles in the Muslim strongholds ( Chechnia )..,. - Pfft ! - Regan could have just played Golf & read Peggy Noonan speeches |
John:
- Saw " Goodby Lenin": - its an interesting peice about the fall of Communist East Germany, with some comedy sub plot . . . - and anyone who says the U.S is a Fachist state ( Even With Homeland Security . .! ) Should See this film ASAP.. Dan In article , John Barnard writes: Subject: The Greatest President In My Lifetime From: John Barnard Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 05:53:44 GMT If you ever get the chance see "Good-bye, Lenin". It's a very good movie concerning the fall of communism in East Germany. Regards John Barnard Brenda Ann Dyer wrote: |
"Diverd4777" wrote in message ... | In article , Noel | writes: | | Llgpt is right, the Soviet Union spent itself out of | existence. | | | War in Afghanistan, ( against the CIA supported rebels ) Supporting Cuba, then | the arms race and troubles in | the Muslim strongholds ( Chechnia )..,. | | - Pfft ! | | - Regan could have just played Golf & read Peggy Noonan speeches I knew the worms would come crawling out, re-writing history. Well, I guess if it makes you feel better.... 73, Steve Lawrence KAØPMD Burnsville, Minnesota (NOTE: My email address has only one "dot." You'll have to edit out the one between the "7" and the "3" in my email address if you wish to reply via email) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.688 / Virus Database: 449 - Release Date: 5/18/04 |
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In article , John Barnard
wrote: If you ever get the chance see "Good-bye, Lenin". It's a very good movie concerning the fall of communism in East Germany. By all means continue getting your perspective from the movies while the rest of us stick to reality. The following from http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissin...43&sid=4983826 FORMER SOLIDARITY LEADER AND POLISH PRESIDENT LECH WALESA "When I heard of President Reagan's death, as a Christian I prayed for him. As a politician I recalled the important role he had played in the overthrow of world communism. "Somewhere at the turn of the 1980s a number of politicians and others at different points on the globe began moving towards a single goal: the overthrow of the murderous communist system that had the blood of 200 million people on its hands. Reagan was one of the world leaders who made a major contribution to communism's collapse." FORMER GERMAN CHANCELLOR HELMUT KOHL, who stood with Reagan as he made a historic Cold War appeal at the Berlin Wall. "His consistent championing of freedom contributed decisively to overcoming the division of Europe and Germany. We Germans have much to thank Ronald Reagan for." FORMER SOVIET PRESIDENT MIKHAIL GORBACHEV "I view Reagan as a great president," said Gorbachev, adding that his dialogue with Reagan "kick-started the process which ultimately put an end to the Cold War". "I do not know how other statesmen would act in his place at the time. Reagan, who was considered ultra-conservative, dared those steps and that was his strength." -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Reagan is largely responsible for the mess we're in today.
Reagan nurtured the Mujihadeen, including Osama. Reagan gace Saddam the chemical weapons he used on the Kurds. http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/ Ronald Reagan did a lot of damage. On 06 Jun 2004 01:12:10 GMT, at (CRUSH THE LEFT) wrote: Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals hate him). May he rest in peace. So long, Sir. We will continue your fight against the marxist left. And we will win. |
In the Iran initiative, President Reagan chose to proceed in the
utmost secrecy, disregarding the Administration's public policy prohibiting arms sales to nations supporting terrorism. He also chose to forgo congressional notification under the National Security Act and the Arms Export Control Act.2 Having bypassed accountability to Congress, the President failed either to establish an effective system of accountability within the Administration or to monitor the series of activities he authorized.3 Working in a climate of extreme secrecy and operating without accountability, National Security Adviser John M. Poindexter, Lt. Col. Oliver L. North of the National Security Council staff and others associated with the initiative invited criminal acts including profiteering on the Iranian arms sales, the diversion of some of those proceeds to aid the contras, destroying documents, and lying to Congress to cover up their criminal activities. 2 See discussion on ``The Iran Hostage Initiative, 1985-1986'' later in this chapter. 3 In his written answers to interrogatories requested by Independent Counsel and the Grand Jury, Reagan stated that he did not monitor the details of the Iran arms sales and had no specific knowledge of such key matters as North's role or Secord's role. The President said he did not authorize any profits from the sale of arms to Iran and that he was unaware that there were excess proceeds and that some of them were diverted to aid the contras. When the Iran initiative was exposed on November 3, 1986, the President convened a series of meetings with his top national security advisers and permitted the creation of a false account of the Iran arms sales to be disseminated to members of Congress and the American people.4 These false accounts denied the President's knowledge and authorization of the initial sales from Israeli stocks of U.S.-made TOW and HAWK missiles to Iran in August, September and November of 1985. Attorney General Edwin Meese III and others were concerned that those sales violated the Arms Export Control Act and the National Security Act of 1947.5 Previously withheld notes by participants in the November 12 and November 24, 1986, meetings constituted evidence of an effort to cover up the true facts of the President's authorization of the 1985 Iran arms sales. But the discovery of the notes by Independent Counsel came too late to investigate effectively and to prosecute the false statements involved.6 The passage of time, claims of dimmed recollections and the running of the statute of limitations protected the underlying acts. On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 23:48:34 GMT, David wrote: Reagan is largely responsible for the mess we're in today. Reagan nurtured the Mujihadeen, including Osama. Reagan gace Saddam the chemical weapons he used on the Kurds. http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/ Ronald Reagan did a lot of damage. On 06 Jun 2004 01:12:10 GMT, at (CRUSH THE LEFT) wrote: Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals hate him). May he rest in peace. So long, Sir. We will continue your fight against the marxist left. And we will win. |
Telamon,
You wouldn't know reality if it bit you on your ass. The fact that you had to twist the intent of my words is proof enough. Please, feel free to show me where I stated that the movie should be taken as reality. Have you actually seen the movie? As Diverd4777 has pointed out "- its an interesting peice about the fall of Communist East Germany, with some comedy sub plot . . ." I suggest that you read the following CIA document before crowing about the Ronald Reagan and the US undoing communism in Eastern Europe. Very shameful how the USA decided not to warn Solidarity, don't you think? http://www.cia.gov/csi/books/poland/ Furthermore, the Poles had always been at odds with the Communists. I can damn well assure you that the Reagan and the gang had nothing to do with various uprisings in 1956, 1970 and 1976. The Poles brought about the revolution themselves to eventually free themselves. It wasn't the USA! Live with the fact! Please, no more revisionist history from you. I don't care what you thought you saw in "real time" but a few of my Polish colleagues easily tell a story different from yours. Regards John Barnard Telamon wrote: In article , John Barnard wrote: If you ever get the chance see "Good-bye, Lenin". It's a very good movie concerning the fall of communism in East Germany. By all means continue getting your perspective from the movies while the rest of us stick to reality. The following from http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissin...43&sid=4983826 FORMER SOLIDARITY LEADER AND POLISH PRESIDENT LECH WALESA "When I heard of President Reagan's death, as a Christian I prayed for him. As a politician I recalled the important role he had played in the overthrow of world communism. "Somewhere at the turn of the 1980s a number of politicians and others at different points on the globe began moving towards a single goal: the overthrow of the murderous communist system that had the blood of 200 million people on its hands. Reagan was one of the world leaders who made a major contribution to communism's collapse." FORMER GERMAN CHANCELLOR HELMUT KOHL, who stood with Reagan as he made a historic Cold War appeal at the Berlin Wall. "His consistent championing of freedom contributed decisively to overcoming the division of Europe and Germany. We Germans have much to thank Ronald Reagan for." FORMER SOVIET PRESIDENT MIKHAIL GORBACHEV "I view Reagan as a great president," said Gorbachev, adding that his dialogue with Reagan "kick-started the process which ultimately put an end to the Cold War". "I do not know how other statesmen would act in his place at the time. Reagan, who was considered ultra-conservative, dared those steps and that was his strength." -- Telamon Ventura, California |
In article , curmudg@eon (Curmudgeon)
writes: On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 23:48:34 GMT, David wrote: Reagan is largely responsible for the mess we're in today. Reagan nurtured the Mujihadeen, including Osama. Reagan gace Saddam the chemical weapons he used on the Kurds. http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/ Ronald Reagan did a lot of damage. And just like Ronald the Republicans can't recall any of it. Greatest President my ASS. http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh " Part XI Concluding Observations The underlying facts of Iran/contra are that, regardless of criminality, President Reagan, the secretary of state, the secretary of defense, and the director of central intelligence and their necessary assistants committed themselves, however reluctantly, to two programs contrary to congressional policy and contrary to national policy. They skirted the law, some of them broke the law, and almost all of them tried to cover up the President's willful activities. " Bush Sr. Pardoned them all. Bush Jr. who might have " Outed " a U.S. Intelligence agent; Just hired a Lawyer.. |
Telamon wrote:
In article , John Barnard wrote: Go back and take a look at history, Telamon. Eastern Europeans have a history of standing up to the Russians. Budapest in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968 come to mind and it was a shame that the USA decided to abandon those countries and do nothing. The Solidarity revolution was a Polish revolution which had NOTHING AT ALL to do with Reagan or the USA. Brenda Ann quite rightly pointed out that the Poles and the East Germans stood up to the Russians of their own accord. Poland, out of all the Eastern European block, has always had the stones to fight back a little and retain some measure of autonomy. I've always liked Reagan but he sure as hell didn't have anything to do with the Solidarity revolution. Sorry go back and read it yourself. We outspent Russia in the arms race bankrupting them. When Russia lost the arms race Gorby negotiated the current state of affairs with Reagan. That's why things changed. The Polish Solidarity was a help but not the reason. Besides Reagan gave aid and assistance to the Solidarity union and other opposition groups in eastern europe. Neither you nor anyone else can pull this revisionist bull**** on me. I saw this happen in real time. You saw what you wanted to see. No single president should get the credit for winning the arms race. We outspent the USSR for more than forty years. Every president since Truman contributed to the ultimate collapse of the USSR. Reagan happened to be president when the end came. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
In article , John Barnard
wrote: Telamon, You wouldn't know reality if it bit you on your ass. Don't confuse where I'm at with where your head is at. The fact that you had to twist the intent of my words is proof enough. Please, feel free to show me where I stated that the movie should be taken as reality. Have you actually seen the movie? As Diverd4777 has pointed out "- its an interesting peice about the fall of Communist East Germany, with some comedy sub plot . . ." Diverd4777 is blocked. I don't wast my time reading idiots. I didn't twist your words or take them out of context. I suggest that you read the following CIA document before crowing about the Ronald Reagan and the US undoing communism in Eastern Europe. Very shameful how the USA decided not to warn Solidarity, don't you think? http://www.cia.gov/csi/books/poland/ Furthermore, the Poles had always been at odds with the Communists. I can damn well assure you that the Reagan and the gang had nothing to do with various uprisings in 1956, 1970 and 1976. The Poles brought about the revolution themselves to eventually free themselves. It wasn't the USA! Live with the fact! They never would have succeeded without Reagan's efforts to end Communism. World leaders at the time agree with me and not with your special version of reality. Please, no more revisionist history from you. I don't care what you thought you saw in "real time" but a few of my Polish colleagues easily tell a story different from yours. I don't care what you think either if you spend your time agreeing with worthless Trolls. Pick your side, Telamon and Lech Walesa or you and Diverd4777. Tough choice. You apparently are just another moronic Troll like Diverd4777. Plonk Telamon wrote: In article , John Barnard wrote: If you ever get the chance see "Good-bye, Lenin". It's a very good movie concerning the fall of communism in East Germany. By all means continue getting your perspective from the movies while the rest of us stick to reality. The following from http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissin...43&sid=4983826 FORMER SOLIDARITY LEADER AND POLISH PRESIDENT LECH WALESA "When I heard of President Reagan's death, as a Christian I prayed for him. As a politician I recalled the important role he had played in the overthrow of world communism. "Somewhere at the turn of the 1980s a number of politicians and others at different points on the globe began moving towards a single goal: the overthrow of the murderous communist system that had the blood of 200 million people on its hands. Reagan was one of the world leaders who made a major contribution to communism's collapse." FORMER GERMAN CHANCELLOR HELMUT KOHL, who stood with Reagan as he made a historic Cold War appeal at the Berlin Wall. "His consistent championing of freedom contributed decisively to overcoming the division of Europe and Germany. We Germans have much to thank Ronald Reagan for." FORMER SOVIET PRESIDENT MIKHAIL GORBACHEV "I view Reagan as a great president," said Gorbachev, adding that his dialogue with Reagan "kick-started the process which ultimately put an end to the Cold War". "I do not know how other statesmen would act in his place at the time. Reagan, who was considered ultra-conservative, dared those steps and that was his strength." -- Telamon Ventura, California -- Telamon Ventura, California |
In article ,
longwave wrote: Telamon wrote: In article , John Barnard wrote: Go back and take a look at history, Telamon. Eastern Europeans have a history of standing up to the Russians. Budapest in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968 come to mind and it was a shame that the USA decided to abandon those countries and do nothing. The Solidarity revolution was a Polish revolution which had NOTHING AT ALL to do with Reagan or the USA. Brenda Ann quite rightly pointed out that the Poles and the East Germans stood up to the Russians of their own accord. Poland, out of all the Eastern European block, has always had the stones to fight back a little and retain some measure of autonomy. I've always liked Reagan but he sure as hell didn't have anything to do with the Solidarity revolution. Sorry go back and read it yourself. We outspent Russia in the arms race bankrupting them. When Russia lost the arms race Gorby negotiated the current state of affairs with Reagan. That's why things changed. The Polish Solidarity was a help but not the reason. Besides Reagan gave aid and assistance to the Solidarity union and other opposition groups in eastern europe. Neither you nor anyone else can pull this revisionist bull**** on me. I saw this happen in real time. You saw what you wanted to see. No single president should get the credit for winning the arms race. We outspent the USSR for more than forty years. Every president since Truman contributed to the ultimate collapse of the USSR. Reagan happened to be president when the end came. How can you say that I saw what I wanted to see? No one knew how things were going to turn out. Stinking Liberals were calling Reagan an out of control cowboy "Ronald Ray Guns" because they though he would start WW3 confronting the Russians. Reagan built up the military and forced the Russians into bankruptcy trying to keep up. The eastern europeans saw their chance to throw off the yoke of communism with the Russians in their weakened state. Reagan didn't just "happen to be there." He had a sense of destiny and a job to do that took guts facing down the Russians and the left wing in this country like Kerry that just wanted to give up and negotiate with the Russians from a weak position. You are right that it did not start with Reagan but he did finnish it. If Kennedy was not assassinated he might have done it but Johnson, Nixon, Ford and Carter didn't do it. Clinton would not have done it either. Through will and conviction he challenged the Russians forcing them to focus on us in the arms race. It was world class poker game and Reagan didn't bluff. The Russians finally ran out of money with a economy that could not keep up with ours. Weakened from the effort they gave up the hold they had on eastern europe since WW2 and the cold war was basically ended. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
DAVID,
Say what you will. But that does not change the fact that anywhere from 2/3 to 3/4 of Americans in the last several years say: That they "Liked" Ronald W Reagan as a person and thought that he was a 'good' President and had respected him [.] I know that this simple fact causes Liberal Democrats to "See Red" and 'Galls' the Leftist Media Elite to speak a few Kind-Words now at his passing. God Blessing Be Upon the Soul of Ronald W Reagan and Grant his Family and Friends Peace and Comfort at the Loss of a Loved One - Amen ~ RHF .. .. = = = David wrote in message = = = . .. Reagan is largely responsible for the mess we're in today. Reagan nurtured the Mujihadeen, including Osama. Reagan gace Saddam the chemical weapons he used on the Kurds. http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/ Ronald Reagan did a lot of damage. On 06 Jun 2004 01:12:10 GMT, at (CRUSH THE LEFT) wrote: Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals hate him). May he rest in peace. So long, Sir. We will continue your fight against the marxist left. And we will win. |
DAVID,
Say what you will. But that does not change the fact that anywhere from 2/3 to 3/4 of Americans in the last several years say: That they "Liked" Ronald W Reagan as a person and thought that he was a 'good' President and had respected him [.] I know that this simple fact causes Liberal Democrats to "See Red" and 'Galls' the Leftist Media Elite to speak a few Kind-Words now at his passing. God Blessing Be Upon the Soul of Ronald W Reagan and Grant his Family and Friends Peace and Comfort at the Loss of a Loved One - Amen ~ RHF .. .. = = = David wrote in message = = = . .. In the Iran initiative, President Reagan chose to proceed in the utmost secrecy, disregarding the Administration's public policy prohibiting arms sales to nations supporting terrorism. He also chose to forgo congressional notification under the National Security Act and the Arms Export Control Act.2 Having bypassed accountability to Congress, the President failed either to establish an effective system of accountability within the Administration or to monitor the series of activities he authorized.3 Working in a climate of extreme secrecy and operating without accountability, National Security Adviser John M. Poindexter, Lt. Col. Oliver L. North of the National Security Council staff and others associated with the initiative invited criminal acts including profiteering on the Iranian arms sales, the diversion of some of those proceeds to aid the contras, destroying documents, and lying to Congress to cover up their criminal activities. 2 See discussion on ``The Iran Hostage Initiative, 1985-1986'' later in this chapter. 3 In his written answers to interrogatories requested by Independent Counsel and the Grand Jury, Reagan stated that he did not monitor the details of the Iran arms sales and had no specific knowledge of such key matters as North's role or Secord's role. The President said he did not authorize any profits from the sale of arms to Iran and that he was unaware that there were excess proceeds and that some of them were diverted to aid the contras. When the Iran initiative was exposed on November 3, 1986, the President convened a series of meetings with his top national security advisers and permitted the creation of a false account of the Iran arms sales to be disseminated to members of Congress and the American people.4 These false accounts denied the President's knowledge and authorization of the initial sales from Israeli stocks of U.S.-made TOW and HAWK missiles to Iran in August, September and November of 1985. Attorney General Edwin Meese III and others were concerned that those sales violated the Arms Export Control Act and the National Security Act of 1947.5 Previously withheld notes by participants in the November 12 and November 24, 1986, meetings constituted evidence of an effort to cover up the true facts of the President's authorization of the 1985 Iran arms sales. But the discovery of the notes by Independent Counsel came too late to investigate effectively and to prosecute the false statements involved.6 The passage of time, claims of dimmed recollections and the running of the statute of limitations protected the underlying acts. On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 23:48:34 GMT, David wrote: Reagan is largely responsible for the mess we're in today. Reagan nurtured the Mujihadeen, including Osama. Reagan gace Saddam the chemical weapons he used on the Kurds. http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/ Ronald Reagan did a lot of damage. On 06 Jun 2004 01:12:10 GMT, at (CRUSH THE LEFT) wrote: Ronald Reagan. The man who defeated Soviet Communism (no wonder liberals hate him). May he rest in peace. So long, Sir. We will continue your fight against the marxist left. And we will win. |
Curmudgeon,
Say what you will. But that does not change the fact that anywhere from 2/3 to 3/4 of Americans in the last several years say: That they "Liked" Ronald W Reagan as a person and thought that he was a 'good' President and had respected him [.] I know that this simple fact causes Liberal Democrats to "See Red" and 'Galls' the Leftist Media Elite to speak a few Kind-Words now at his passing. God Blessing Be Upon the Soul of Ronald W Reagan and Grant his Family and Friends Peace and Comfort at the Loss of a Loved One - Amen ~ RHF .. .. = = = curmudg@eon (Curmudgeon) wrote in message = = = ... On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 23:48:34 GMT, David wrote: Reagan is largely responsible for the mess we're in today. Reagan nurtured the Mujihadeen, including Osama. Reagan gace Saddam the chemical weapons he used on the Kurds. http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/ Ronald Reagan did a lot of damage. And just like Ronald the Republicans can't recall any of it. Greatest President my ASS. |
DiverD,
Say what you will. But that does not change the fact that anywhere from 2/3 to 3/4 of Americans in the last several years say: That they "Liked" Ronald W Reagan as a person and thought that he was a 'good' President and had respected him [.] I know that this simple fact causes Liberal Democrats to "See Red" and 'Galls' the Leftist Media Elite to speak a few Kind-Words now at his passing. God Blessing Be Upon the Soul of Ronald W Reagan and Grant his Family and Friends Peace and Comfort at the Loss of a Loved One - Amen ~ RHF .. .. = = = (Diverd4777) wrote in message = = = ... In article , Noel writes: Llgpt is right, the Soviet Union spent itself out of existence. War in Afghanistan, ( against the CIA supported rebels ) Supporting Cuba, then the arms race and troubles in the Muslim strongholds ( Chechnia )..,. - Pfft ! - Regan could have just played Golf & read Peggy Noonan speeches |
Yeah, as a person he was probably an OK Guy;
(- Just ask Jane Wyman ) He was a B Movie actor / Lifeguard who had a good speech writer; Probably a decent human being, politics aside.. In article , (RHF) writes: DiverD, Say what you will. But that does not change the fact that anywhere from 2/3 to 3/4 of Americans in the last several years say: That they "Liked" Ronald W Reagan as a person and thought that he was a 'good' President and had respected him [.] |
Your average American lives in a big fantasy construct and has a very
inaccurate idea of what is really happening. This is the way they are nurtured and trained from a very early age. Luckily, I am wired differently and can see the machine. I'm sure he was a very nice fellow, but the world was made a more dangerous place under his watch and we are now dealing with his mistakes. On 7 Jun 2004 03:17:02 -0700, (RHF) wrote: DAVID, Say what you will. But that does not change the fact that anywhere from 2/3 to 3/4 of Americans in the last several years say: That they "Liked" Ronald W Reagan as a person and thought that he was a 'good' President and had respected him [.] I know that this simple fact causes Liberal Democrats to "See Red" and 'Galls' the Leftist Media Elite to speak a few Kind-Words now at his passing. God Blessing Be Upon the Soul of Ronald W Reagan and Grant his Family and Friends Peace and Comfort at the Loss of a Loved One - Amen ~ RHF . . |
David wrote: Your average American lives in a big fantasy construct and has a very inaccurate idea of what is really happening. This is the way they are nurtured and trained from a very early age. Luckily, I am wired differently and can see the machine. Yep, you Liberal's are just sooooo much smarter than anyone else. Boggling! |
DiverD,
What now seems a long time ago. I worked with an Old Man from Tennessee, who wore a small Wooden Cross on a Red String around his neck. We were talking about a Senior Manager who have died and who's Funeral we were attending. What he told me was at times like these; we should Focus on the 'things' the would "Recommend" the Dead Man to God; and put aside those things that were of a mere earthly concern. Ronald W Reagan was a good California Governor and a good President. But most of all, he was a Kind and Gentle Man, who was a Good Husband and Father. "God Blessing Be Upon the Soul of Ronald W Reagan and Grant his Family and Friends Peace and Comfort at the Loss of a Loved One - Amen ~ RHF" .. .. = = = (Diverd4777) wrote in message = = = ... Yeah, as a person he was probably an OK Guy; (- Just ask Jane Wyman ) He was a B Movie actor / Lifeguard who had a good speech writer; Probably a decent human being, politics aside.. In article , (RHF) writes: DiverD, Say what you will. But that does not change the fact that anywhere from 2/3 to 3/4 of Americans in the last several years say: That they "Liked" Ronald W Reagan as a person and thought that he was a 'good' President and had respected him [.] .. |
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"Diverd4777" wrote in message ... In article , (Curmudgeon Man) writes: He was a bigger than life man with a quick warm smile and he made a great figurehead. His popularity was probably mostly due to his acting career. - Agree; an actor with a good speech writer... at the right time and the right place A Lifeguard in College, All in all, probably not a bad guy; He had the city of Berkely gassed by helicopters in the 60's. I don't think there is anyone else that can make that claim. What a guy. LOL - The Police herded ANYONE on the street; - bystanders, Postmen; Anyone and arrested them; then went totally out of control... had people crawl on their hands and knees saying " we love the Blue Meanies" ( Yes, this was in The United States of America ) It was said, Reagn approved. The fact that the Iran Hostages were released Just when he took office ... and Everyone ( Bush included) said " Just Coincidence" -No deals with Iran - - And no one got punished for this still smears his image... I don't remember Berkeley, since I wasn't living in CA at the time, but I remember Reagan on TV clearly saying that all the Vietnam war protesters should be lined up against a wall and shot. Not in the America I was raised in.. |
Telamon wrote: In article , John Barnard wrote: Telamon, You wouldn't know reality if it bit you on your ass. Don't confuse where I'm at with where your head is at. The fact that you had to twist the intent of my words is proof enough. Please, feel free to show me where I stated that the movie should be taken as reality. Have you actually seen the movie? As Diverd4777 has pointed out "- its an interesting peice about the fall of Communist East Germany, with some comedy sub plot . . . Diverd4777 is blocked. I don't wast my time reading idiots. I didn't twist your words or take them out of context. You did take my words out of context with the following statement: "By all means continue getting your perspective from the movies while the rest of us stick to reality". At no point in time did I say that the movie was a resemblance to reality. stuff snipped They never would have succeeded without Reagan's efforts to end Communism. World leaders at the time agree with me and not with your special version of reality. World leaders agree with you??? Or do you agree with world leaders??? Feeling a little self-inflated with the ego, eh? And, whether you like it or not, the lip service will be flying over the next few weeks. Please, no more revisionist history from you. I don't care what you thought you saw in "real time" but a few of my Polish colleagues easily tell a story different from yours. I don't care what you think either if you spend your time agreeing with worthless Trolls. Worthless trolls? Those ladies spent the better part of their lives living under the Communist government in Poland. And I have no question that they know a hell of a lot more than you about the subject and what happened at the Gdansk shipyards than you ever will in your world of make-believe. You are one sorry sad sack of sh*t! Pick your side, Telamon and Lech Walesa or you and Diverd4777. Telamon and Lech Walesa? Thanks for breaking me up laughing. Truly delusional. There are meds for that type of thing! Good health and good DX to you. John Barnard Tough choice. You apparently are just another moronic Troll like Diverd4777. Plonk Telamon wrote: In article , John Barnard wrote: If you ever get the chance see "Good-bye, Lenin". It's a very good movie concerning the fall of communism in East Germany. By all means continue getting your perspective from the movies while the rest of us stick to reality. The following from http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissin...43&sid=4983826 FORMER SOLIDARITY LEADER AND POLISH PRESIDENT LECH WALESA "When I heard of President Reagan's death, as a Christian I prayed for him. As a politician I recalled the important role he had played in the overthrow of world communism. "Somewhere at the turn of the 1980s a number of politicians and others at different points on the globe began moving towards a single goal: the overthrow of the murderous communist system that had the blood of 200 million people on its hands. Reagan was one of the world leaders who made a major contribution to communism's collapse." FORMER GERMAN CHANCELLOR HELMUT KOHL, who stood with Reagan as he made a historic Cold War appeal at the Berlin Wall. "His consistent championing of freedom contributed decisively to overcoming the division of Europe and Germany. We Germans have much to thank Ronald Reagan for." FORMER SOVIET PRESIDENT MIKHAIL GORBACHEV "I view Reagan as a great president," said Gorbachev, adding that his dialogue with Reagan "kick-started the process which ultimately put an end to the Cold War". "I do not know how other statesmen would act in his place at the time. Reagan, who was considered ultra-conservative, dared those steps and that was his strength." -- Telamon Ventura, California -- Telamon Ventura, California |
= = = David wrote in message
= = = . .. Your average American lives in a big fantasy construct and has a very inaccurate idea of what is really happening. DAVID, This is the Mind-Set of the Liberal "Democrat" ELITIST: - Who Know That They Know It All ! - They are therefore are Oh So Superior to the common man {the average American Citizen}. - They look with distain on the avarage American Citizen. - But it is the common man who is the strength and vitality of America. It is the 'average' American Citizen who VOTES that cause these Liberal "Democrat" ELITIST their bigest problem, they do NOT 'think' like them and do NOT "Vote" for them. This is the way they are nurtured and trained from a very early age. The simply reflect the Values of their Society and Culture, for the are Americans and Love 'their' Country. Luckily, I am wired differently and can see the machine. Yes the Minds of the Liberal "Democrat" ELITISTs are wired differently. ~ RHF .. .. I'm sure he was a very nice fellow, but the world was made a more dangerous place under his watch and we are now dealing with his mistakes. On 7 Jun 2004 03:17:02 -0700, (RHF) wrote: DAVID, Say what you will. But that does not change the fact that anywhere from 2/3 to 3/4 of Americans in the last several years say: That they "Liked" Ronald W Reagan as a person and thought that he was a 'good' President and had respected him [.] I know that this simple fact causes Liberal Democrats to "See Red" and 'Galls' the Leftist Media Elite to speak a few Kind-Words now at his passing. God Blessing Be Upon the Soul of Ronald W Reagan and Grant his Family and Friends Peace and Comfort at the Loss of a Loved One - Amen ~ RHF . . |
In article 40c5d97b.13757896@chupacabra, Groom Lake
writes: What about the betrayal of his fellow actors in the SAG when he snitched them out to the HUAC? - Point !! he was enamored of the left, until they tried to bully him; serious intimidation I recall Bad Move; But that's how they used to work he never liked anything but right center after that.. |
In article , "Brenda Ann Dyer"
writes: I don't remember Berkeley, since I wasn't living in CA at the time, but I remember Reagan on TV clearly saying that all the Vietnam war protesters should be lined up against a wall and shot. Not in the America I was raised in.. & WAY too close to Kent State..; where people WERE shot... Just like protesters were shot in Tienamin Square in Red China.. - and . I recall, popular history was all patched up to make the dead students the agressors. A bad, bad time in Amerian History |
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Diverd4777 wrote:
In article 40c5d97b.13757896@chupacabra, Groom Lake writes: What about the betrayal of his fellow actors in the SAG when he snitched them out to the HUAC? - Point !! he was enamored of the left, until they tried to bully him; serious intimidation I recall Bad Move; But that's how they used to work he never liked anything but right center after that.. He talked the talk about government being the problem and not the answer. He talked about smaller government. Almost sounded like a Libertarin. But, he did not walk the walk. |
= = = (Diverd4777) wrote in message
= = = ... In article , (RHF) writes: Luckily, I am wired differently and can see the machine. Yes the Minds of the Liberal "Democrat" ELITISTs are wired differently. ~ RHF RHF.. - If YOU can see the machine; - Then YOUR a Liberal "Democrat" ELITIST ( - Sorry- ) DiverD, Ah... "The Machine" ! Sounds like a Job for the Anti-Terminator. But then in the sequel . . . The 'original' Terminator became the Anti-Terminator. I am getting confused... Starting to sound like "New Speak". Good is BAD. -&- Bad is GOOD. Once of the underlying Themes of the Terminator Movies was that our 'common' HUMANITY would in the End "Overcome" the Machine. NOT the Elite, for "The Elite" were the 'true' Creators-of-the-Machine. I remain a most average & common man - No Batteries Required :o) ~ RHF .. |
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