Air America Ratings continue to decline
 

Hi

Air America ratings continue to drop - they had a 2.2 share in April, a 1.7 in May, and a 1.2 in June. (from Drudge)

At this rate, they could have lower ratings than Profit Stare by October.

"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

Hi

Air America ratings continue to drop - they had a 2.2 share in April, a 1.7 in May, and a 1.2 in June. (from Drudge)

In addition to that, Rush has a 4.8 share vs. Air America's 1.7 share in NYC.



At this rate, they could have lower ratings than Profit Stare by October.

Do you listen to Rush?


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"dxAce" wrote in message
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"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

Hi

Air America ratings continue to drop - they had a 2.2 share in April, a
1.7 in May, and a 1.2 in June. (from Drudge)

In addition to that, Rush has a 4.8 share vs. Air America's 1.7 share in
NYC.



At this rate, they could have lower ratings than Profit Stare by
October.

"dxAce" wrote in message
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"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

Hi

Air America ratings continue to drop - they had a 2.2 share in
April, a 1.7 in May, and a 1.2 in June. (from Drudge)

In addition to that, Rush has a 4.8 share vs. Air America's 1.7
share in NYC.


And that's the margin in one of the most liberal cities in the
country. But the left has plenty of other outlets to hear their views
aired, so AirAmerica, in some ways, is also competing against NPR, the
major dailys, and non-Fox News television.

- Looked; couldn't find any source.

I think their best shows are " Morning Sedition" with the schtick
about the " Presidential Palm Pilot"
the daily " Liberal Agenda" faxed in from the Streisand Coumpound
and
" Recovery Corner"
( where mark is Reaching out to fellow Alcoholic Brother George Bush)

*Bend your mind before you bend your elbow
Anger is one letter away from Danger.*

and Randi Rhodes. in the afternoon.






In article , "Mark S. Holden"
writes:

400

Hi

Air America ratings continue to drop - they had a 2.2 share in April, a 1.7
in May, and a 1.2 in June. (from Drudge)

At this rate, they could have lower ratings than Profit Stare by October.

Burr wrote:

Do you listen to Rush?

Sure do. Listening right now.

dxAce

Diverd4777 wrote:

- Looked; couldn't find any source.

Have Soames123 or Chandler7600 look it up for you!

I think their best shows are " Morning Sedition" with the schtick
about the " Presidential Palm Pilot"
the daily " Liberal Agenda" faxed in from the Streisand Coumpound
and
" Recovery Corner"
( where mark is Reaching out to fellow Alcoholic Brother George Bush)

*Bend your mind before you bend your elbow
Anger is one letter away from Danger.*

and Randi Rhodes. in the afternoon.

In article , "Mark S. Holden"
writes:

400

Hi

Air America ratings continue to drop - they had a 2.2 share in April, a 1.7
in May, and a 1.2 in June. (from Drudge)

At this rate, they could have lower ratings than Profit Stare by October.

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Burr wrote:

Do you listen to Rush?

Sure do. Listening right now.

dxAce


Love you BUT, you got to much time on your hands.


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Burr wrote:

Do you listen to Rush?

Sure do. Listening right now.

dxAce


Love you BUT, you got to much time on your hands.


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dxAce wrote:

In addition to that, Rush has a 4.8 share vs. Air America's 1.7 share in NYC.

This just may have something to do with all the free advertising Rush
gets. Every time I start my car, a little light on the dash goes on:

"Airbag"


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"Mike Pearson " wrote:

dxAce wrote:

In addition to that, Rush has a 4.8 share vs. Air America's 1.7 share in NYC.

This just may have something to do with all the free advertising Rush
gets. Every time I start my car, a little light on the dash goes on:

"Airbag"

I used to see one referring to the Clintons: Twin Airbags

dxAce

I don't dislike him, I just don't have time to listen to him.


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"dxAce" wrote in message
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Burr wrote:

Do you listen to Rush?

Sure do. Listening right now.

dxAce


Love you BUT, you got to much time on your hands.


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Burr wrote:

I don't dislike him, I just don't have time to listen to him.

Run a tape, Cuzz.



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Burr wrote:

Do you listen to Rush?

Sure do. Listening right now.

dxAce


Love you BUT, you got to much time on your hands.


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Quoth dxAce in :

In addition to that, Rush has a 4.8 share vs. Air America's 1.7 share in
NYC.

12+ ratings are meaningless to advertisers. The demo most followed is 25-54.

From http://musicradio.computer.net/wwwboard/messages/238604.html,
normally a reliable source for such things:

Ratings for 10-3:
25-54 WABC 2.7 WLIB 2.2

Ratings for 3-7:
25-54 WABC 3.1 WLIB 2.2

So as you can see, WLIB (a 30,000 watt station with a not-so-great signal) is
doing quite respectably against the WABC 50,000 watt powerhouse in the 25-54
demo, considering that the rating is for only its second month carrying the
new format. Considering that Clear Channel, not known to tolerate money-
losing formats, just this week put Air America (basically the same schedule
they have had great success with on Portland OR's KPOJ) on its Miami WINZ, I
think we can safely say that reports of Air America's demise have been
greatly exaggerated.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

Tom Betz wrote:

Quoth dxAce in :

In addition to that, Rush has a 4.8 share vs. Air America's 1.7 share in
NYC.

12+ ratings are meaningless to advertisers. The demo most followed is 25-54.

From http://musicradio.computer.net/wwwboard/messages/238604.html,
normally a reliable source for such things:

Ratings for 10-3:
25-54 WABC 2.7 WLIB 2.2

Ratings for 3-7:
25-54 WABC 3.1 WLIB 2.2

So as you can see, WLIB (a 30,000 watt station with a not-so-great signal) is
doing quite respectably against the WABC 50,000 watt powerhouse in the 25-54
demo, considering that the rating is for only its second month carrying the
new format. Considering that Clear Channel, not known to tolerate money-
losing formats, just this week put Air America (basically the same schedule
they have had great success with on Portland OR's KPOJ) on its Miami WINZ, I
think we can safely say that reports of Air America's demise have been
greatly exaggerated.

Personally, I'd trust Drudge's figures before I'd trust some stats on a message
board.

dxAce

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I don't dislike him, I just don't have time to listen to him.


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I don't agree with everything but a lot of what he says is right on.

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dxAce wrote in :
Personally, I'd trust Drudge's figures before I'd trust some stats on
a message board.

There's no accounting for bad taste.

Drudge reported only the 12+ demo.

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Al Franken claims they are the #2 talker in NYC and that Bill O'Reilly
is in the ****ter.

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:40:47 -0400, "Mark S. Holden"
wrote:

Hi

Air America ratings continue to drop - they had a 2.2 share in April, a 1.7 in May, and a 1.2 in June. (from Drudge)

At this rate, they could have lower ratings than Profit Stare by October.

dxAce wrote in :
Personally, I'd trust Drudge's figures before I'd trust some stats on
a message board.

There's no accounting for bad taste.

Claudia Perry, who posted at that URL I gave, writes on radio for the
Newark Star-Ledger.

Drudge reported only the 12+ demo -- Claudia gave the whole story.

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Tom Betz wrote:

dxAce wrote in :
Personally, I'd trust Drudge's figures before I'd trust some stats on
a message board.

There's no accounting for bad taste.

Claudia Perry, who posted at that URL I gave, writes on radio for the
Newark Star-Ledger.

Drudge reported only the 12+ demo -- Claudia gave the whole story.

You just can't stop whining, can you?

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.

dxAce

dxAce wrote in :

You just can't stop whining, can you?

What exactly is it that you are afraid of?

If not fear, what is it that drives you to counter factual information
with ad-hominems? You only damage your own credibility with such
childish behavior.

Here's another bit of factual information for you.

From http://www.crainsny.com/news.cms?newsId=8414:

Air America soars to No. 2 in talk

Air America, the liberal talk-radio network that launched at the
end of March on WLIB-AM, has landed in second place in the New
York talk arena, its 1.7 share in the 25-to-54 demographic
beating rival WOR’s 1.0 share, according to the spring Arbitron
report.

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Left or Right?

Which is the one TRUE political path?

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Left or Right?

Which is the one TRUE political path?

independant!

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
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dxAce wrote in :
Personally, I'd trust Drudge's figures before I'd trust some stats on
a message board.

There's no accounting for bad taste.

Drudge reported only the 12+ demo.

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Oh, well there's a bit of hope for you! So then Air America won the
12-and-under demo?

-- Stinger

Quoth "Stinger" in news:UhZKc.407$NQ5.156
@bignews4.bellsouth.net:

So then Air America won the
12-and-under demo?

See http://www.crainsny.com/news.cms?newsId=8414.

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"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

Quoth "T. Early" in news:40f800e1$0$10390
:

And that's the margin in one of the most liberal cities in the
country.

.... on a 30kW (daytime) signal at 1190 kHz, as opposed to a 50 kW (24/7)
signal at 770 kHz.

WLIB's signal gets pretty crappy pretty quickly as you move toward the
burbs. It's even difficult to pick up in much of Manhattan. WABC stays
quite powerful all over town.

Compare http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?
call=WABC&service=AM&status=L&hours=D side by side with
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?
call=WLIB&service=AM&status=L&hours=D to see the relative difference
between the number 1 and number 2 AM talk stations -- note the difference
in scale when comparing the two.

Then look at http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?
call=WOR&service=AM&status=C&hours=D to see what the number 3 AM talk
station has for a signal pattern. (Radio-locator.com is not a definitive
reference as to where you might or might not be able to pick up a signal;
but I've found that for making relative comparisons among stations'
signals, it's fairly useful.)

No, transmitter power doesn't make all the difference, but it certainly
matters; it's just one more obstacle that WLIB's three-month-old Air
America programming is overcoming.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

In article , "Stinger"
writes:


Oh, well there's a bit of hope for you! So then Air America won the
12-and-under demo?

-- Stinger


- Let's try this again...
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http://www.crainsny.com/news.cms?new...bt=Air+America

Air America soars to No. 2 in talk

Posted on 07/19/2004 - A Web-only article from NewYorkBusiness.com

Air America, the liberal talk-radio network that launched at the end of March
on WLIB-AM, has landed in second place in the New York talk arena.

Air America, the liberal talk-radio network that launched at the end of March
on WLIB-AM, has landed in second place in the New York talk arena, its 1.7
share in the 25-to-54 demographic beating rival WOR’s 1.0 share, according to
the spring Arbitron report.

WOR’s hosts include conservatives Bill O’Reilly and Bob Grant.

WLIB trailed AM-radio leader WABC, whose hosts include Rush Limbaugh. It had a
2.3 share in the demographic.
Copyright 2004, Crain Communications, Inc

~~~~~~~

IMHO, " Morning Sedition " ( 6 A.M - 9 A.M. ) and Randi Rhodes ( Afternoon)
are quite informative & entertaining...

Have a little Sangean DT-110 I use on Long Morning Walks,
( Trying for 4+ miles / day; - ~ 10,000 Steps, Doctors suggestion / orders )

Found the best thing to listen to in NYC at that hour is 1190 A.M.; WLIB
" Air America.".
( Presidential Palm Pilot, Liberal Agenda & '"Recovery Corner" are all good
bits)

710 WOR ( Dull) 1130 WBBR ( Financial stuff) 880 +1010 ( all Hideous news)
WBGO 88.3 F.M Jazz 88 ( Jazz ! ! ) & WNYC 820 ( Talk, Talk, Talk )
are alternatives, and I flip through most of them , esp when one starts in with
another set of Commericials .
" Air America" has Quite a few commercials, ( Unfortunatly )
indicating someone is selling their demographics to sponsors,
who are getting on board...

Dan / NYC

Quoth David in news:530of0pvrbd8mkbpoqlj7l7df88jmic4bk@
4ax.com:

Al Franken claims they are the #2 talker in NYC and that Bill O'Reilly
is in the ****ter.

So says Arbitron, if you look (as the advertisers do) at the 25-54 demo.

See http://www.crainsny.com/news.cms?newsId=8414.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
. 70...
Quoth David in
news:530of0pvrbd8mkbpoqlj7l7df88jmic4bk@
4ax.com:

Al Franken claims they are the #2 talker in NYC and that Bill
O'Reilly
is in the ****ter.

So says Arbitron, if you look (as the advertisers do) at the 25-54
demo.

See http://www.crainsny.com/news.cms?newsId=8414.


I do not find this surprising. Just on a rough guess, what would you
think would be the ratio of potential liberal to conservative
listeners in NYC? As the song goes, if AirAmerica can't make it in
New York, it can't make it anywhere.....er, well, maybe San Francisco.

Quoth "-=jd=-" in
:

True - If they play their cards right, they *should* be #1 in NYC.

They'd have to add about 20kW to the 30 kW WLIB transmitter to have a fair
shot at #1.

#2 ain't bad for three months. Let's see whether they can hold onto it.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
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Quoth "-=jd=-" in
:

True - If they play their cards right, they *should* be #1 in NYC.

They'd have to add about 20kW to the 30 kW WLIB transmitter to have
a fair
shot at #1.

#2 ain't bad for three months. Let's see whether they can hold onto
it.


I'm not that familiar with the New York AM market--that's #2 in 25-54
out of 3 -talk- stations, correct? As opposed to #2 overall on AM.
And with all respect to your well-taken point regarding the
transmitter, there is still a huge disproportion of liberals to
conservatives all over NYC--a huge built in market that should
minimize any transmitter issues.

Quoth "T. Early" in news:40fc8e47$0$5635
:

I'm not that familiar with the New York AM market--that's #2 in 25-54
out of 3 -talk- stations, correct?

Correct.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

Tom Betz wrote:

Quoth "T. Early" in news:40fc8e47$0$5635
:

I'm not that familiar with the New York AM market--that's #2 in 25-54
out of 3 -talk- stations, correct?

Correct.

But Rush is still #1, right?

Please don't give me a whiny answer.

"T. Early" wrote:

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
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Quoth "-=jd=-" in
:

True - If they play their cards right, they *should* be #1 in NYC.

They'd have to add about 20kW to the 30 kW WLIB transmitter to have
a fair
shot at #1.

#2 ain't bad for three months. Let's see whether they can hold onto
it.


I'm not that familiar with the New York AM market--that's #2 in 25-54
out of 3 -talk- stations, correct? As opposed to #2 overall on AM.
And with all respect to your well-taken point regarding the
transmitter, there is still a huge disproportion of liberals to
conservatives all over NYC--a huge built in market that should
minimize any transmitter issues.

Some Arbitron ratings I just looked at placed WLIB 24th in the NYC market.

dxAce

Quoth dxAce in :

Some Arbitron ratings I just looked at placed WLIB 24th in the NYC market.

In the 12+ demo, 24th overall. But there aren't a lot of talk stations in
NYC.

http://radioandrecords.com/RRRatings...4&RY=2004&RQ=2
&MP=0&OTHER=2&MN=New%20York&MS=NY&MR=1&12P=1534000 0&UP=7/16/2004&SU=CM&BPER=
17.5&HPER=19.1&OPER=&NSD=8/23/2004&CE=0 aka http://tinyurl.com/6wb69 is a
readily available source for the most recently published 12+ ratings. It
also shows the breakdown of station owners and format.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
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Quoth "T. Early" in news:40fc8e47$0$5635
:

I'm not that familiar with the New York AM market--that's #2 in 25-54
out of 3 -talk- stations, correct?

Correct.

No, it is also behind WFAN, a sports talker and WADO, a Spanish talker. Make
that #4 out of 5.

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
. 70...
Quoth dxAce in :

Some Arbitron ratings I just looked at placed WLIB 24th in the NYC
market.

In the 12+ demo, 24th overall. But there aren't a lot of talk stations in
NYC.

770, 620, 1280, 1050, 1190, 710 are all talk. Sports talk is also talk.

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
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Quoth "T. Early" in news:40f800e1$0$10390
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And that's the margin in one of the most liberal cities in the
country.

... on a 30kW (daytime) signal at 1190 kHz, as opposed to a 50 kW (24/7)
signal at 770 kHz.

WLIB is fulltime.

Quoth "David Eduardo" in news:oFaLc.24234$bj2.733
@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com:

Sports talk is also talk.

It's a whole different breed of talk, but I'll be happy to accept your
judgement for discussion purposes.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

Quoth "David Eduardo" in news:uGaLc.24235$7j2.20103
@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com:


"Tom Betz" wrote in message
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Quoth "T. Early" in news:40f800e1$0$10390
:

And that's the margin in one of the most liberal cities in the
country.

... on a 30kW (daytime) signal at 1190 kHz, as opposed to a 50 kW (24/7)
signal at 770 kHz.

WLIB is fulltime.

Yes, I was unclear in my expression; I meant to state their daytime power,
which covers the ratings time periods under discussion.

I see that I mistakenly gave the nighttime power (30 kW) for the daytime
power (really 10 kW, according to radio-locator.com).

Which makes their daytime ratings compared with the 50 kW WABC and WOR even
more impressive.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.