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Sony 7600GR vs ATS909
Anyone with both of these radios care to share veiws on the relative
AM/FM performance?? Neil Bell "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -- Blaise Pascal For e-mail replies remove the "notreally." |
"Neil Bell" wrote in message ... Anyone with both of these radios care to share veiws on the relative AM/FM performance?? Neil Bell "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -- Blaise Pascal For e-mail replies remove the "notreally." No contest, the Sony 7600GR blows the 909 away on EVERYTHING! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/2004 |
ben wrote:
No contest, the Sony 7600GR blows the 909 away on EVERYTHING! This is turning in to a 'chicken or the egg' topic. It's been debated endlessly and is bordering on flame bait. I tried the Sony and took it back. I have a 909 AND a 398 which was bought used. Both are excellent. The importance of having a tuning knob wasn't evident to me until I had to do without. The SSB performance is also better. All in my opinion, of course. http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=760...=Google+Search http://tinyurl.com/4s9bk mike -- __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / / / /\ \/ /\ \/ /\ \/ / /_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ ..let the cat out to reply.. ©Densa International 'Think tanks cleaned cheap' |
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Michael Bryant wrote:
What the hell, don't screw around, buy a Drake! It's tempting, but I'm afraid of the antisocial cretinism associated with certain models. Something to do with one of the IF stages messing up the brain lobes.. The Winradio WR-G313i looks like an excellent receiver. http://www.winradio.com/home/g313i.htm http://www.winradio.com/home/g313i-s.htm Time and money don't allow it now. I have to finish building the garage/shop. There WILL be a corner set aside for radio stuff. mike -- __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / / / /\ \/ /\ \/ /\ \/ / /_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ ..let the cat out to reply.. ©Densa International 'Think tanks cleaned cheap' |
Neil Bell schrieb:
Anyone with both of these radios care to share veiws on the relative AM/FM performance?? The Sangean's strength definitely is FM, with halfway narrow filters from the factory (unlike the Sony's barn doors), RDS and all. FM DXers rather like it. For AM, it's apparently not bad (if a bit deaf on the whip), but for SSB I'd rather have the 100% analog fine tuning knob of the Sony than the 40 Hz (unmodified) steps of the Sangean. The Sony can't be used with an external FM antenna unless modified, and understandable decision since the thing is rather sensitive and easily overloads in cities with strong FM signals even on the whip. The Sangean features more memories and alpha tags, it's up to you whether you need that extra bit of comfort. Stephan -- Meine Andere Seite: http://stephan.win31.de/ PC#6: i440BX, 1xP3-500E, 512 MiB, 18+80 GB, R9k AGP 64 MiB, 110W This is a SCSI-inside, Legacy-plus, TCPA-free computer :) Mail to From: not read, see homepg. | Real gelesene Mailadr. s. Homep. |
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:37:32 GMT, Neil Bell
wrote: Anyone with both of these radios care to share veiws on the relative AM/FM performance?? Neil Bell "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -- Blaise Pascal For e-mail replies remove the "notreally." 7600GR. |
You're right about the knob. I have been tempted to try the Sony for years
but I know that, due to it not having a tuning knob, I would not use it. "m II" wrote in message news:647Tc.12601$S55.11047@clgrps12... ben wrote: No contest, the Sony 7600GR blows the 909 away on EVERYTHING! This is turning in to a 'chicken or the egg' topic. It's been debated endlessly and is bordering on flame bait. I tried the Sony and took it back. I have a 909 AND a 398 which was bought used. Both are excellent. The importance of having a tuning knob wasn't evident to me until I had to do without. The SSB performance is also better. All in my opinion, of course. http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=760...=Google+Search http://tinyurl.com/4s9bk mike -- __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / / / /\ \/ /\ \/ /\ \/ / /_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ ..let the cat out to reply.. ©Densa International 'Think tanks cleaned cheap' |
Go to this page
http://www.radiointel.com/reviews.htm Scroll down until you see this review Grundig YB400PE vs Sangean ATS-909 vs Sony ICF-7600G - "The Endless Debate" 73 Russ @ radiointel.com |
You're right about the knob. I have been tempted to try the Sony for years
but I know that, due to it not having a tuning knob, I would not use it. A tuning knob would be a neat mod' for the '7600'. Maybe the tuning knob encoder system from the '2010' could be adapted to the '7600'. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
"ben" writes:
"Neil Bell" wrote in message ... Anyone with both of these radios care to share veiws on the relative AM/FM performance?? Neil Bell "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -- Blaise Pascal For e-mail replies remove the "notreally." No contest, the Sony 7600GR blows the 909 away on EVERYTHING! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/2004 Man, you must have some sort of past with the 909 that is really horrible. -Al |
"m II" wrote in message news:647Tc.12601$S55.11047@clgrps12... ben wrote: No contest, the Sony 7600GR blows the 909 away on EVERYTHING! This is turning in to a 'chicken or the egg' topic. It's been debated endlessly and is bordering on flame bait. I tried the Sony and took it back. I have a 909 AND a 398 which was bought used. Both are excellent. The importance of having a tuning knob wasn't evident to me until I had to do without. The SSB performance is also better. All in my opinion, of course. Finally common ground! I remain unable to fathom the distinct differences between the two claimed by some--particularly in favor of the Sony. In fact, I think that the FM performance of the 909 is actually superior, particularly when you consider it's, at a minimum, a somewhat better -sounding- radio. The Sony may have a slight edge in AM sensitivity (I use a RS loop), but I'm not convinced its meaningful, at least in the mid-Atlantic where I am. |
T. Early wrote:
Finally common ground! I remain unable to fathom the distinct differences between the two claimed by some--particularly in favor of the Sony. In fact, I think that the FM performance of the 909 is actually superior, particularly when you consider it's, at a minimum, a somewhat better -sounding- radio. The Sony may have a slight edge in AM sensitivity (I use a RS loop), but I'm not convinced its meaningful, at least in the mid-Atlantic where I am. Don't the waves get the radio wet? I couldn't detect any differences either. The sync detector was, at least on this particular set, very ineffective. It may as well not have been there at all. Almost a hundred percent of the usage is indoors, so plugging in the antenna is no big deal. I'm also hard pressed to find much difference between the 909 and the Superadio on MW reception. Speaker size notwithstanding, the 909 is preferable to me because of the digital frequency display. With the Superadio, it's guesswork. I've been tempted to start poking around the insides with a cheap frequency counter. Once I found out where I can get a count, I'd wire a jack into the body for future use. I haven't tried the GE with an external wire yet, so I can't comment. Many people seem to have a need to 'tweak' the 7600 to improve it. http://stephan.win31.de/sony7600.htm In all fairness, there are also lots of modifications for the 909. mike -- __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / / / /\ \/ /\ \/ /\ \/ / /_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ ..let the cat out to reply.. ©Densa International 'Think tanks cleaned cheap' |
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:53:15 GMT, Al Arduengo
wrote: "ben" writes: "Neil Bell" wrote in message ... Anyone with both of these radios care to share veiws on the relative AM/FM performance?? Neil Bell "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -- Blaise Pascal For e-mail replies remove the "notreally." No contest, the Sony 7600GR blows the 909 away on EVERYTHING! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/2004 Man, you must have some sort of past with the 909 that is really horrible. -Al Well, I have both (actually the DX398) and on the same antenna for most cases the only difference is the fact that they have different audio characteristics. I say most because there have been some cases where the Sony has been able to more clearly pick out some tough stations that could not be intelligibly heard on the 398/909 .... and the difference wasn't the synch as it wasn't used on those weaker signals. For SSB I like the finer tuning offered on the 398/909 vs the rotary pot adjustment on the Sony and for travel I prefer the Sony as it's lighter and easier on batteries. Overall, I'd say they are on par with each other....though if I could keep only one it'd be the Sony. In the end ........ well, there will never be an end to this debate/discussion so just get whichever one pleases you the most based on contrasting features cost. Howard |
"m II" wrote in message news:rvuTc.14225$S55.10932@clgrps12... T. Early wrote: Finally common ground! I remain unable to fathom the distinct differences between the two claimed by some--particularly in favor of the Sony. In fact, I think that the FM performance of the 909 is actually superior, particularly when you consider it's, at a minimum, a somewhat better -sounding- radio. The Sony may have a slight edge in AM sensitivity (I use a RS loop), but I'm not convinced its meaningful, at least in the mid-Atlantic where I am. Don't the waves get the radio wet? Hardly. I'm shocked you don't realize that we neocons all tool around on 72 ft. yachts where the only spray is from minimum wage lackeys swabbing the decks. All the better to fill Cheney's coffers while getting 4 mpg. I was wondering who was going to notice that BTW. |
T. Early wrote:
Don't the waves get the radio wet? Hardly. I'm shocked you don't realize that we neocons all tool around on 72 ft. yachts where the only spray is from minimum wage lackeys swabbing the decks. All the better to fill Cheney's coffers while getting 4 mpg. I admire your honesty if not your criminal tendencies. Your 'mileage' business has me worried, however. A successful criminal in your 'league' would know it's not miles. http://home.earthlink.net/~swier/logline.html I was wondering who was going to notice that BTW. We all did. I was the only one petty enough to comment on it. mike |
"Al Arduengo" wrote in message ... "ben" writes: "Neil Bell" wrote in message ... Anyone with both of these radios care to share veiws on the relative AM/FM performance?? Neil Bell "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -- Blaise Pascal For e-mail replies remove the "notreally." No contest, the Sony 7600GR blows the 909 away on EVERYTHING! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/2004 Man, you must have some sort of past with the 909 that is really horrible. -Al No not at all, I own the 7600gr and the new version of the super 909 as well as the regular 909. I find the 7600 so much better in all aspects that I hardly ever even bother to use the 909's at all, wish I had not bothered buying them. I just got drawn in by all the advertising on *how good they are* I live in the UK mind, and shortwave over here is very good in general, I can hear things on my 7600gr on its telescopic whip that both the 909's can't even pick up on a 100' longwire. Ben |
ben wrote:
I can hear things on my 7600gr on its telescopic whip that both the 909's can't even pick up on a 100' longwire. I think you've mistaken nylon fishing line for METAL wire. If not, your assessment far exceeds the normally accepted limits of credibility. mike |
Agreed. Maybe hearing voices in his head?
"m II" wrote in message news:%iWTc.30395$fz2.552@edtnps89... ben wrote: I can hear things on my 7600gr on its telescopic whip that both the 909's can't even pick up on a 100' longwire. I think you've mistaken nylon fishing line for METAL wire. If not, your assessment far exceeds the normally accepted limits of credibility. mike |
m II schrieb: I think you've mistaken nylon fishing line for METAL wire. If not, your assessment far exceeds the normally accepted limits of credibility. For sure you know NOTHING about european situation for receiving SW BC. This is NO WAY comparable with situation in US/ northern America. There are MUCH more local/ european stations over here than in America. So in Europe selectivity is the main arguement for a SW-RX -not fidelity- as there is no space left on the spectrum. At least there is one or more stations on every 5khz spacing in SW-BCB. Even MW is 9khz spacing here and not 10 as in the US. And one thing is proven: Every Sony 7600 (even an outdated 'D'-model) runs circles around a 909 in selectivity perfomance in conjunction with sensitivity on crowded bands. So what's about YOUR credibility, LOSER. |
"starman" wrote in message ... You're right about the knob. I have been tempted to try the Sony for years but I know that, due to it not having a tuning knob, I would not use it. A tuning knob would be a neat mod' for the '7600'. Maybe the tuning knob encoder system from the '2010' could be adapted to the '7600'. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- I find that using the 7600gr without a tuning knob is simple enough, I might concede to this downside of the 7600gr if it was difficult, but I find it very simple to use the arrow keys and am getting to actually prefer the keys to the tuning knob the more I use it. Ben --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/2004 |
I wish the 7600GR had a knob and didn't mute when bandscanning. I like it
otherwise. "ben" wrote in message ... "starman" wrote in message ... You're right about the knob. I have been tempted to try the Sony for years but I know that, due to it not having a tuning knob, I would not use it. A tuning knob would be a neat mod' for the '7600'. Maybe the tuning knob encoder system from the '2010' could be adapted to the '7600'. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- I find that using the 7600gr without a tuning knob is simple enough, I might concede to this downside of the 7600gr if it was difficult, but I find it very simple to use the arrow keys and am getting to actually prefer the keys to the tuning knob the more I use it. Ben --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/2004 |
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:51:10 -0500, "mike0219116"
wrote: I wish the 7600GR had a knob and didn't mute when bandscanning. I like it otherwise. "ben" wrote in message ... "starman" wrote in message ... You're right about the knob. I have been tempted to try the Sony for years but I know that, due to it not having a tuning knob, I would not use it. A tuning knob would be a neat mod' for the '7600'. Maybe the tuning knob encoder system from the '2010' could be adapted to the '7600'. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- I find that using the 7600gr without a tuning knob is simple enough, I might concede to this downside of the 7600gr if it was difficult, but I find it very simple to use the arrow keys and am getting to actually prefer the keys to the tuning knob the more I use it. Ben --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/2004 You need a Super909 - no muting. |
I have a stock 909 and I'm not all that crazy about it. No muting wouldn't
make it better. "B i l l E v e r h a r t" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:51:10 -0500, "mike0219116" wrote: I wish the 7600GR had a knob and didn't mute when bandscanning. I like it otherwise. "ben" wrote in message ... "starman" wrote in message ... You're right about the knob. I have been tempted to try the Sony for years but I know that, due to it not having a tuning knob, I would not use it. A tuning knob would be a neat mod' for the '7600'. Maybe the tuning knob encoder system from the '2010' could be adapted to the '7600'. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- I find that using the 7600gr without a tuning knob is simple enough, I might concede to this downside of the 7600gr if it was difficult, but I find it very simple to use the arrow keys and am getting to actually prefer the keys to the tuning knob the more I use it. Ben --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/2004 You need a Super909 - no muting. |
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