OT US medics helped design abusive techniques at Abu Ghraib
 

m II wrote:
I hope you're proud of yourselves, USA....

I think what we need to do is to take a group of liberals and a group of
conservatives; really torture the liberals, and do the Abu Ghraib version
of "torture" to the conservatives (strip 'em nekkid, put dog collars on
them and pour cold water on them). Perhaps then the liberals will learn
what's torture and what's just silly annoyance.

--
"Kerry arrived [in Viet Nam] with a strong anti-Vietnam War bias and a self-
serving determination to build a foundation for his political future."
-- Rear Admiral Roy Hoffmann, USN (Ret.), May 4, 2004

From: clifto

think what we need to do is to take a group of liberals and a group of
conservatives; really torture the liberals, and do the Abu Ghraib version
of "torture" to the conservatives (strip 'em nekkid, put dog collars on
them and pour cold water on them). Perhaps then the liberals will learn
what's torture and what's just silly annoyance.

Isn't it prophetic to see Republicans still trying to minimize the abuse that
even Bush declared was a serious affront to human rights? Why do you support
Bush, because he certainly doesn't seem to agree with your silly conclusion
that what transpired was simply an "annoyance"?

I suggest you be made, hooded and blindfolded, on a bucket and told that you
will be electrocuted if you step down. I am convinced that you will be slightly
more than annoyed.

You, sir, are an idiot and should be treated as one.


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A,
Degen 1102, GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nospam" to reply)

Michael Bryant wrote:

From: clifto

think what we need to do is to take a group of liberals and a group of
conservatives; really torture the liberals, and do the Abu Ghraib version
of "torture" to the conservatives (strip 'em nekkid, put dog collars on
them and pour cold water on them). Perhaps then the liberals will learn
what's torture and what's just silly annoyance.

Isn't it prophetic to see Republicans still trying to minimize the abuse that
even Bush declared was a serious affront to human rights? Why do you support
Bush, because he certainly doesn't seem to agree with your silly conclusion
that what transpired was simply an "annoyance"?

I suggest you be made, hooded and blindfolded, on a bucket and told that you
will be electrocuted if you step down. I am convinced that you will be slightly
more than annoyed.

You, sir, are an idiot and should be treated as one.

So are you, Fat Boy!

dxAce
A Navy Veteran who will not be voting for John Fraud Kerry.




Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A,
Degen 1102, GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nospam" to reply)

In article ,
ospam (Michael Bryant) wrote:

From: clifto

think what we need to do is to take a group of liberals and a group of
conservatives; really torture the liberals, and do the Abu Ghraib version
of "torture" to the conservatives (strip 'em nekkid, put dog collars on
them and pour cold water on them). Perhaps then the liberals will learn
what's torture and what's just silly annoyance.

Isn't it prophetic to see Republicans still trying to minimize the abuse that
even Bush declared was a serious affront to human rights? Why do you support
Bush, because he certainly doesn't seem to agree with your silly conclusion
that what transpired was simply an "annoyance"?

I suggest you be made, hooded and blindfolded, on a bucket and told that you
will be electrocuted if you step down. I am convinced that you will be
slightly
more than annoyed.

You, sir, are an idiot and should be treated as one.

You are such a moron. You cannot tell the difference between torture and
abuse. Both are serious though, Bush denounced the abuse that occurred,
and the people that committed the abuse are being investigated and put
on trial. This means you cannot pay attention to news items or show the
ability to evaluate information, but I expect that from you.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon wrote:

You are such a moron. You cannot tell the difference between torture and
abuse. Both are serious though, Bush denounced the abuse that occurred,
and the people that committed the abuse are being investigated and put
on trial. This means you cannot pay attention to news items or show the
ability to evaluate information, but I expect that from you.

If all that is true, why didn't he denounce and investigate and try the
TORTURE cases? TORTURE is a lot worse than abuse. Are the TORTURERS
being allowed to go free, while the abusers are tried?

It appears it's YOU who can not tell the difference between the two. It
sure looks that way.

This is funny. YOU make a mistake but accuse *him* of being a moron...




mike

In article 3gUVc.34372$jZ5.29792@clgrps13,
m II wrote:

Telamon wrote:

You are such a moron. You cannot tell the difference between
torture and abuse. Both are serious though, Bush denounced the
abuse that occurred, and the people that committed the abuse are
being investigated and put on trial. This means you cannot pay
attention to news items or show the ability to evaluate
information, but I expect that from you.

If all that is true, why didn't he denounce and investigate and try
the TORTURE cases? TORTURE is a lot worse than abuse. Are the
TORTURERS being allowed to go free, while the abusers are tried?

It appears it's YOU who can not tell the difference between the two.
It sure looks that way.

This is funny. YOU make a mistake but accuse *him* of being a
moron...

What funny is that "YOU" are in the same class as Bryant. This election
is really stirring up the kooks.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon wrote:
In article 3gUVc.34372$jZ5.29792@clgrps13,
m II wrote:


Telamon wrote:


You are such a moron. You cannot tell the difference between
torture and abuse. Both are serious though, Bush denounced the
abuse that occurred, and the people that committed the abuse are
being investigated and put on trial. This means you cannot pay
attention to news items or show the ability to evaluate
information, but I expect that from you.

If all that is true, why didn't he denounce and investigate and try
the TORTURE cases? TORTURE is a lot worse than abuse. Are the
TORTURERS being allowed to go free, while the abusers are tried?

It appears it's YOU who can not tell the difference between the two.
It sure looks that way.

This is funny. YOU make a mistake but accuse *him* of being a
moron...


What funny is that "YOU" are in the same class as Bryant. This election
is really stirring up the kooks.


Please tell me the difference between 'abuse' and 'torture'. I'd like to
see what you believe them to mean. How can you insult someone when it's
YOU that's mistaken.

Too small of a human being to be able to admit to being mistaken?

Are you still capable of a proper response? It seems you've degenerated
to name calling and little else.



mike

In article ouWVc.34803$jZ5.29657@clgrps13,
m II wrote:

Telamon wrote:
In article 3gUVc.34372$jZ5.29792@clgrps13,
m II wrote:


Telamon wrote:


You are such a moron. You cannot tell the difference between
torture and abuse. Both are serious though, Bush denounced the
abuse that occurred, and the people that committed the abuse are
being investigated and put on trial. This means you cannot pay
attention to news items or show the ability to evaluate
information, but I expect that from you.

If all that is true, why didn't he denounce and investigate and try
the TORTURE cases? TORTURE is a lot worse than abuse. Are the
TORTURERS being allowed to go free, while the abusers are tried?

It appears it's YOU who can not tell the difference between the two.
It sure looks that way.

This is funny. YOU make a mistake but accuse *him* of being a
moron...


What funny is that "YOU" are in the same class as Bryant. This election
is really stirring up the kooks.


Please tell me the difference between 'abuse' and 'torture'. I'd like to
see what you believe them to mean. How can you insult someone when it's
YOU that's mistaken.

Do I have to think for you? You can not discern abuse from torture? Do
you own a dictionary? Should I tell you how to vote while I'm at it?

You are off color quite a bit. Some of your posts are disgusting and
some have links to disgusting material so do not expect me to hold you
in high regard. I stopped looking at the links in your posts because of
this.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon wrote:
In article ouWVc.34803$jZ5.29657@clgrps13,
m II wrote:


Telamon wrote:

In article 3gUVc.34372$jZ5.29792@clgrps13,
m II wrote:



Telamon wrote:



You are such a moron. You cannot tell the difference between
torture and abuse. Both are serious though, Bush denounced the
abuse that occurred, and the people that committed the abuse are
being investigated and put on trial. This means you cannot pay
attention to news items or show the ability to evaluate
information, but I expect that from you.

If all that is true, why didn't he denounce and investigate and try
the TORTURE cases? TORTURE is a lot worse than abuse. Are the
TORTURERS being allowed to go free, while the abusers are tried?

It appears it's YOU who can not tell the difference between the two.
It sure looks that way.

This is funny. YOU make a mistake but accuse *him* of being a
moron...


What funny is that "YOU" are in the same class as Bryant. This election
is really stirring up the kooks.


Please tell me the difference between 'abuse' and 'torture'. I'd like to
see what you believe them to mean. How can you insult someone when it's
YOU that's mistaken.


Do I have to think for you? You can not discern abuse from torture? Do
you own a dictionary? Should I tell you how to vote while I'm at it?


I love the way you're going around in circles on this. YOU screwed up
and then called Bryant a MORON because of YOUR mistake. Just can't admit
it, can you. oh well...other people can follow this thread as easily as
I can.


You are off color quite a bit. Some of your posts are disgusting and
some have links to disgusting material so do not expect me to hold you
in high regard. I stopped looking at the links in your posts because of
this.


Those links all show Bush in a very bad light. Closing your eyes won't
make him a better human being. Porn sites are disgusting, not political
articles that just MAY make you think. Trying to put me in the same
league as a pornographer because I think Bush is Cheney's obsequious
puppet isn't going to work.

Sticking your head in the sand won't make the obscenities in Washington
go away.


mike

In article bMYVc.35099$jZ5.30993@clgrps13,
m II wrote:

Telamon wrote:
In article ouWVc.34803$jZ5.29657@clgrps13,
m II wrote:


Telamon wrote:

In article 3gUVc.34372$jZ5.29792@clgrps13,
m II wrote:



Telamon wrote:



You are such a moron. You cannot tell the difference between
torture and abuse. Both are serious though, Bush denounced the
abuse that occurred, and the people that committed the abuse are
being investigated and put on trial. This means you cannot pay
attention to news items or show the ability to evaluate
information, but I expect that from you.

If all that is true, why didn't he denounce and investigate and try
the TORTURE cases? TORTURE is a lot worse than abuse. Are the
TORTURERS being allowed to go free, while the abusers are tried?

It appears it's YOU who can not tell the difference between the two.
It sure looks that way.

This is funny. YOU make a mistake but accuse *him* of being a
moron...


What funny is that "YOU" are in the same class as Bryant. This election
is really stirring up the kooks.


Please tell me the difference between 'abuse' and 'torture'. I'd like to
see what you believe them to mean. How can you insult someone when it's
YOU that's mistaken.


Do I have to think for you? You can not discern abuse from torture? Do
you own a dictionary? Should I tell you how to vote while I'm at it?


I love the way you're going around in circles on this. YOU screwed up
and then called Bryant a MORON because of YOUR mistake. Just can't admit
it, can you. oh well...other people can follow this thread as easily as
I can.

Snip

OK since you insist I think for you.

abuse
n The physical or psychological maltreatment of a person.

v To use something in an improper, illegal, or damaging way.

Example: Making a prisoner stand naked in a public setting. Having said
naked prisoner held on a leash by a woman. Depriving a prisoner of
sleep. Depriving a prisoner of his normal diet.

torture
n The inflicting of severe physical pain on somebody, for example, as
punishment or to persuade somebody to confess or recant something.

v To inflict extreme pain or physical punishment on people.

Example: Breaking teeth, bones or any other type of grievous bodily
harm. Cutting off appendages, pulling nails and posting BS links in the
newsgroup in order to deliberately torture public discourse.

Now go vote for Bush.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon wrote:

OK since you insist I think for you.

You seem to miss the fact that it was YOUR mistake.


abuse
n The physical or psychological maltreatment of a person.

v To use something in an improper, illegal, or damaging way.

Example: Making a prisoner stand naked in a public setting. Having said
naked prisoner held on a leash by a woman. Depriving a prisoner of
sleep. Depriving a prisoner of his normal diet.

torture
n The inflicting of severe physical pain on somebody, for example, as
punishment or to persuade somebody to confess or recant something.

v To inflict extreme pain or physical punishment on people.

Example: Breaking teeth, bones or any other type of grievous bodily
harm. Cutting off appendages, pulling nails and posting BS links in the
newsgroup in order to deliberately torture public discourse.

Now go vote for Bush.



So, I ask again...why did Bush condemn the 'abuse' and not the torture?
When doctors sign illegal death certificates to cover torture victim's
cause of death, there is something wrong. Sticking intravenous tubes
into corpses for the purposes of deceit and cover up is downright evil.

Also evil are the products of your medical schools so lacking in morals
that they revive unconscious victims so they can be tortured even more.

"Do no harm" used to be their motto before the neocons subverted your
system of medical values. Now the good doctors supervise the ramming of
chemical flashlights up prisoners' asses.

War crimes are being committed with YOUR tax money, but you seem to have
no problems sleeping at night.



mike

m II wrote:
Please tell me the difference between 'abuse' and 'torture'.

If you can't tell the difference between pouring cold water on someone
and running electricity through his genitals, you didn't take your
Thorazine today.

--
Both Kerry and Edwards announced their candidacy near the beginning of September,
2003, so let's only count votes before then. From January, 2003, to August, 2003,
Senator Edwards didn't vote 69 out of 320 opportunities (~22%) and Senator Kerry
didn't vote 182 out of 320 opportunities (~57%). http://www.mwilliams.info/archives/001349.php

m II wrote:
So, I ask again...why did Bush condemn the 'abuse' and not the torture?

Please cite one example of "the torture".

--
Both Kerry and Edwards announced their candidacy near the beginning of September,
2003, so let's only count votes before then. From January, 2003, to August, 2003,
Senator Edwards didn't vote 69 out of 320 opportunities (~22%) and Senator Kerry
didn't vote 182 out of 320 opportunities (~57%). http://www.mwilliams.info/archives/001349.php

In article LigWc.38671$jZ5.18832@clgrps13,
m II wrote:

Telamon wrote:

OK since you insist I think for you.

You seem to miss the fact that it was YOUR mistake.

Snip

My only mistake is replying to you Mr. Nonsense.

abuse
n The physical or psychological maltreatment of a person.

v To use something in an improper, illegal, or damaging way.

Example: Making a prisoner stand naked in a public setting. Having said
naked prisoner held on a leash by a woman. Depriving a prisoner of
sleep. Depriving a prisoner of his normal diet.

torture
n The inflicting of severe physical pain on somebody, for example, as
punishment or to persuade somebody to confess or recant something.

v To inflict extreme pain or physical punishment on people.

Example: Breaking teeth, bones or any other type of grievous bodily
harm. Cutting off appendages, pulling nails and posting BS links in the
newsgroup in order to deliberately torture public discourse.

Now go vote for Bush.



So, I ask again...why did Bush condemn the 'abuse' and not the torture?
When doctors sign illegal death certificates to cover torture victim's
cause of death, there is something wrong. Sticking intravenous tubes
into corpses for the purposes of deceit and cover up is downright evil.

Also evil are the products of your medical schools so lacking in morals
that they revive unconscious victims so they can be tortured even more.

"Do no harm" used to be their motto before the neocons subverted your
system of medical values. Now the good doctors supervise the ramming of
chemical flashlights up prisoners' asses.

War crimes are being committed with YOUR tax money, but you seem to have
no problems sleeping at night.

I answered your questions and did your thinking for you as requested.

Now keep re-reading my responses until they sink in. If they don't make
sense after a few days nothing can be done for you.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article ,
clifto wrote:

m II wrote:
Please tell me the difference between 'abuse' and 'torture'.

If you can't tell the difference between pouring cold water on
someone and running electricity through his genitals, you didn't take
your Thorazine today.

Amazingly the left will not admit Bush denounced the abuses that
occurred and that the people that committed them are going to trial and
will be jailed upon conviction. Along with making anything that happened
even worse than what occurred.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon wrote:
clifto wrote:
m II wrote:
Please tell me the difference between 'abuse' and 'torture'.

If you can't tell the difference between pouring cold water on
someone and running electricity through his genitals, you didn't take
your Thorazine today.

Amazingly the left will not admit Bush denounced the abuses that
occurred and that the people that committed them are going to trial and
will be jailed upon conviction. Along with making anything that happened
even worse than what occurred.

What's worse is that while their lives are ruined for wetting prisoners,
Kerry admits to mass murder and torture and burning villages with
impunity.

--
If Kerry can't cope with the "Republican Attack Machine",
how can he hope to deal with Al Qaeda?

SHut the hell up, spammer.

In article , says...


SHut the hell up, spammer.

It would be more effective if you tried to get his internet
access cancelled...

FW

Already addressed...


On 1 Sep 2004 02:46:50 GMT, (Frank White)
wrote:

In article , says...


SHut the hell up, spammer.

It would be more effective if you tried to get his internet
access cancelled...

FW

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