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OT Dishonest Smear Tactics
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Michael Bryant wrote: http://courierjournal.com/cjextra/ed...0822-3637.html What is really dishonest is the fact that you lied about having a PhD. You also lied about being fired from Louisville Technical Institute. You are irrelevant. Your best bet is to hit the road before you get your fat ass kicked again. dxAce Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A, Degen 1102, GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nospam" to reply) |
"Michael Bryant" wrote in message ... http://courierjournal.com/cjextra/ed...0822-3637.html Speaking of "dishonest smear tactics," I must've missed all of the editiorials condemning Joseph Wilson and Michael Moore. Happen to have any links, or is that one of the many inconvenient questions that never draws a response from you? Liberal media? What liberal media? |
"Michael Bryant" wrote in message ... | http://courierjournal.com/cjextra/ed...0822-3637.html Cut 'n paste, Brybaby, keep cutting and pasting your hypocrazy; you are as proficient as Lloyd Davies! Riddle me this, Brybaby: Where was John Effing Kerrnedy on Christmas Eve, 1968? Keep in mind, it's bad form to answer a question with another question, though I'm sure you'll whinge one or two. 73, -- Steve Lawrence KAØPMD Burnsville, Minnesota (NOTE: My email address has only one "dot." You'll have to edit out the one between the "7" and the "3" in my email address if you wish to reply via email) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/04 |
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"T. Early" writes: "Michael Bryant" wrote in message ... http://courierjournal.com/cjextra/ed...0822-3637.html Speaking of "dishonest smear tactics," I must've missed all of the editiorials condemning Joseph Wilson and Michael Moore. For 'dishonest smear tactics', please refer to the ultimate smear merchant JF Kerry's claims during the committee hearings (due to some errors in his smear tactics, we found that either Kerry is a war criminal or liar.) Kerry had tried to smear practically the entire military, and any clear thinking person sees that he is the ultimately inappropriate person for the presidency or any other high level government executive office. He is CERTAINLY appropriate for lower level offices or the legislature... Oddballs and kooks help round out the legislature. John |
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Michael Bryant wrote: From: (John S. Dyson) Kerry had tried to smear practically the entire military, and any clear thinking person sees that he is the ultimately inappropriate person for the presidency or any other high level government executive office. He is CERTAINLY appropriate for lower level offices or the legislature... Oddballs and kooks help round out the legislature. Any clear-thinking individual would agree that... ....You lied about having a PhD, and that you also lied about being fired from Louisville Technical Institute. dxAce |
"Michael Bryant" wrote in message ... The fact the Kerry called it like it was is one of the reasons I respect him so much. Nixon tried his best to discredit him and couldn't. Well, you seem to have "overlooked" the question in my earlier post in this thread in your rush to reply to John. Funny how that happens. However, undaunted, I shall try again with another soon-to-be-unanswered question. Why would you respect" anyone for doing something that was simply the politically expedient thing to do at the time? One of Kerry's obvious strengths as a politician is sensing which way the wind blows and immediately getting out in front of it. When he returned from Vietnam with a political career in mind, he certainly realized that a considerable majority of the opinion makers in the country were anti-war, and joined them, with his military service as a ready made podium. Since when is going with the obvious flow deserving of respect, particularly when one's former colleagues are still taking fire? |
"Michael Bryant" wrote in message Any clear-thinking individual would agree that many American soldiers did indeed carry out atrocities in VN. Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL And how you going to manage that with a head full of smoke? It boggles the mind? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- 73 and good DXing. Brian ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire! Zumbrota, Southern MN Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/ |
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KK4TL wrote:
ospam (Michael Bryant) wrote ... Any clear-thinking individual would agree that many American soldiers did indeed carry out atrocities in VN. Ok professor. You're on. I'm a clear-thinking individual and I will NOT agree to your proposal here. How many is "many"? Ok there was My Lai. Rattle off a few others. And demonstrate your meaning of "many". A hundred? A thousand? Ten thousand? Granted one is too many. But how many is "many" ? You can start with a quick search for "Tiger Force", or 'Vietnam +"necklace of ears"': "Sergeant Forrest Miller told Army investigators the killing of prisoners was "an unwritten law." Other soldiers said they sought revenge in the villages after unit members were killed and injured during sniper and grenade attacks. Soldiers often cited conflicting views of commanders as a reason they killed unarmed people. Some commanders told investigators that civilians could be targeted in certain circumstances; others said they could never be attacked. During the Army's investigation, 27 soldiers said severing ears from dead Vietnamese became routine. "There was a period when just about everyone had a necklace of ears," former platoon medic Larry Cottingham told investigators. The atrocities carried out by the unit came just months before the killing of about 500 Vietnamese civilians by an Army unit in 1968 at My Lai." -- Mike NAR #70953 - Sr/HPR Level-1 ~ BEMRC - NAR Section #627 NO Junk Email, please! Real email to: amphoto [at] blarg [dot] net. WANTED: Experienced Kamikaze Pilot |
Michael Bryant wrote: From: (KK4TL) (Michael Bryant) wrote ... Any clear-thinking individual would agree that many American soldiers did indeed carry out atrocities in VN. Ok professor. You're on. I'm a clear-thinking individual and I will NOT agree to your proposal here. How many is "many"? Ok there was My Lai. Rattle off a few others. And demonstrate your meaning of "many". A hundred? A thousand? Ten thousand? Granted one is too many. But how many is "many" ? Hundreds of different accounts exist regarding the atrocities committed by US soldiers in VN. Including over 100 "fragging" investigations conducted by the Pentagon. There's a reason why most VN villagers supported the VC over US troops. But, let me be clear: the vast majority of US troops were just kids thrown into an unwinnable situation. They were not evil. Their leaders let them down. The war was a horrible mistake and resulted in the largest embarrassment that our military ever faced. Amen and amen, professor. Agreed. No doubt about it. Will we ever know what precipitated it? Oh yeah .. they told us we were there to stop communism. Right. It didn't do a lot to stop communism, but a lot of large corporations made a lot of pesos off the war, didn't they? I even heard .. that the Johnson family owned a transport company that was shipping the war supplies. Yep, Lyndon "I'll go to war myself before I send someone else's son to war" Johnson. Those Johnsons. Well, gee, when have I ever defended LBJ? Kennedy, LBJ and Nixon were all deluded and misled by defense advisors. Kissinger and McNamara were serious offenders. And we thought only republicans were involved in big business and war mongering. Nope. Never said that. Proving that GREED is a bi-partisan quality. Yes? Agreed. Now explain how our agreement disproves that both Republicans and Democrats made bad decisions in VN. And you always drift. Even if LBJ and the Demos shared responsibility for VN, how does that refute anything Kerry had to say about VN. Kerry spoke the truth. I respect that in someone who I intend to vote for. WOW! The truth means something to you? The guy who lied about having a PhD? The guy who called me on the phone telling me how he'd been fired from Louisville Technical Institute? ( a proven lie by the way). You're your own little circus, aren't you? dxAce |
Michael Bryant wrote:
Any clear-thinking individual would agree that many American soldiers did indeed carry out atrocities in VN. The war was a horrible mistake and resulted in the largest embarrassment that our military ever faced. It wasn't a war and was never officially declared as such. It was a 'police action'. That made it easier for the taxpayer to swallow until some sixty thousand body bags came home, showing your tax dollars at work. http://www.archives.gov/research_roo...ics.html#state If Bill Gates butchered the above URL, please use: http://snipurl.com/8lrn mike |
KK4TL wrote:
Ok professor. You're on. I'm a clear-thinking individual and I will NOT agree to your proposal here. How many is "many"? Ok there was My Lai. Rattle off a few others. And demonstrate your meaning of "many". A hundred? A thousand? Ten thousand? Granted one is too many. But how many is "many" ? ================================================== == MITCHELL: We have begun hearings today to investigate the military policy used in Vietnam which appears to us to foster war crimes. We are concerned with such schemes as free-fire zones, search and destroy missions, mass resettlement of peasantry and the so-called "bodycount mania." Since the Dept of Defense [DOD] acknowledges the use of these tactics, we wish to illustrate graphically what happens when such tactics are translated into action. Vietnam has been called the ultimate model war of attrition where civilians die by the score for every combat soldier killed. http://members.aol.com/warlibrary/vwch1.htm ================================================== == On October 19, 2003, the Ohio-based newspaper the Toledo Blade launched a four-day series of investigative reports exposing a string of atrocities by an elite, volunteer, 45-man "Tiger Force" unit of the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division over the course of seven months in 1967. The Blade goes on to state that in 1971 the Army began a 4.5 year investigation of the alleged torture of prisoners, rapes of civilian women, the mutilation of bodies and killing of anywhere from nine to well over one hundred unarmed civilians, among other acts. The articles further report that the Army's inquiry concluded that 18 U.S. soldiers committed war crimes ranging from murder and assault to dereliction of duty. However, not one of the soldiers, even of those still on active duty at the time of the investigation, was ever court martialed in connection with the heinous crimes. Moreover, six suspected war criminals were allowed to resign from military service during the criminal investigations specifically to avoid prosecution. http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2003/11/87856.php ================================================== == Killing men, women, children and cutting up of bodies: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/patrick.guen...nnews/stir.htm ================================================== == Hundreds more of these sites. mike |
m II wrote:
Michael Bryant wrote: Any clear-thinking individual would agree that many American soldiers did indeed carry out atrocities in VN. The war was a horrible mistake and resulted in the largest embarrassment that our military ever faced. It wasn't a war and was never officially declared as such. It was a 'police action'. That made it easier for the taxpayer to swallow until some sixty thousand body bags came home, showing your tax dollars at work. And in actual fact, the only evidence we have that "many American soldiers did indeed carry out atrocities in VN" is from the lies told by Vietnam Veterans Against The War. -- Both Kerry and Edwards announced their candidacy near the beginning of September, 2003, so let's only count votes before then. From January, 2003, to August, 2003, Senator Edwards didn't vote 69 out of 320 opportunities (~22%) and Senator Kerry didn't vote 182 out of 320 opportunities (~57%). http://www.mwilliams.info/archives/001349.php |
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Michael Bryant wrote: From: clifto And in actual fact, the only evidence we have that "many American soldiers did indeed carry out atrocities in VN" is from the lies told by Vietnam Veterans Against The War. You've closed your eyes. The evidence of US atrocities in VN is documented by far more voices than by Kerry. Are you really suggesting that US soldiers didn't do a lot of bad things in 'Nam? Maybe that'll play with some Vet groups, but the general American public is smarter than to buy that crap! Are the folks at Louisville Technical Institute smart enough to know that you lied about being fired by them? Are they smart enough to know that you lied about having a PhD? You just insinuated that Vets are stupid. Think about it, Fat Boy. dxAce |
"Michael Bryant" wrote in message ... Maybe that'll play with some Vet groups, but the general American public is smarter than to buy that crap! Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL To bad you were not there to see for yourself!!! Draft Dodging Ass Hole. |
Burr:
To bad you were not there to see for yourself!!! Draft Dodging Ass Hole. Burr, take your meds, buddy. I was 14 in 1972. A little too young for draft-dodging. Calm down. Take deep breaths of that Cali air. Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A, Degen 1102, GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nospam" to reply) |
You could have lied and gone in early!!!!
-- Burr Vote "RIGHT" Vote Republican "Michael Bryant" wrote in message ... Burr: To bad you were not there to see for yourself!!! Draft Dodging Ass Hole. Burr, take your meds, buddy. I was 14 in 1972. A little too young for draft-dodging. Calm down. Take deep breaths of that Cali air. Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A, Degen 1102, GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nospam" to reply) |
Michael Bryant wrote: Burr: To bad you were not there to see for yourself!!! Draft Dodging Ass Hole. Burr, take your meds, buddy. I was 14 in 1972. A little too young for draft-dodging. Calm down. Take deep breaths of that Cali air. Take some really big hits off that bong, Fat Boy! Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A, Degen 1102, GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nospam" to reply) |
Burr wrote: You could have lied and gone in early!!!! Excellent! dxAce -- Burr Vote "RIGHT" Vote Republican "Michael Bryant" wrote in message ... Burr: To bad you were not there to see for yourself!!! Draft Dodging Ass Hole. Burr, take your meds, buddy. I was 14 in 1972. A little too young for draft-dodging. Calm down. Take deep breaths of that Cali air. Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A, Degen 1102, GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nospam" to reply) |
In article IhwWc.611$HY.427@trnddc03, "Burr" writes:
Maybe that'll play with some Vet groups, but the general American public is smarter than to buy that crap! -B.S; Ads are * Tested* prior to shipping; using a demographic cross section of the area they're target to. All the volunteers are paid for participating. They are then often " Wired Up" with sensors, galvanic skin response receptors, ( Used to be ) Blood pressure / breath rate apparatii, etc. - Maybe it's all built into the " Movie Seats" in the special theater where you watch the ads. The participants are first shown a standard ad or cartoon to get a " Baseline " on their unconsious responses ( Used to be a Mr. Magoo Cartoon. ) Then they show several ads. data are recorded, often they are videotaped while they watch. Afterwards they are either handed questionnaires to fill out, or the participate in a Question and answer session. Whole things recorded so that people can go over the results later on, correlating the reponses to the images / words / Music in the ads Using this info, they can get a " Go" or " No Go" for a specific ad. & before it's ever aired on T.V. they know with a high rate of probability how * You *, watching a specific show in a specific state, at a specific time will react to the info & the images and the music on T.V... There is a decay rate to the effects of these ads, meaning they pile up close to Election day. & If you don't have anything to sell, you trash the other guy relentlessly.... |
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clifto wrote:
And in actual fact, the only evidence we have that "many American soldiers did indeed carry out atrocities in VN" is from the lies told by Vietnam Veterans Against The War. It just ain't so. ================================================== == MITCHELL: We have begun hearings today to investigate the military policy used in Vietnam which appears to us to foster war crimes. We are concerned with such schemes as free-fire zones, search and destroy missions, mass resettlement of peasantry and the so-called "bodycount mania." Since the Dept of Defense [DOD] acknowledges the use of these tactics, we wish to illustrate graphically what happens when such tactics are translated into action. Vietnam has been called the ultimate model war of attrition where civilians die by the score for every combat soldier killed. http://members.aol.com/warlibrary/vwch1.htm ================================================== == On October 19, 2003, the Ohio-based newspaper the Toledo Blade launched a four-day series of investigative reports exposing a string of atrocities by an elite, volunteer, 45-man "Tiger Force" unit of the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division over the course of seven months in 1967. The Blade goes on to state that in 1971 the Army began a 4.5 year investigation of the alleged torture of prisoners, rapes of civilian women, the mutilation of bodies and killing of anywhere from nine to well over one hundred unarmed civilians, among other acts. The articles further report that the Army's inquiry concluded that 18 U.S. soldiers committed war crimes ranging from murder and assault to dereliction of duty. However, not one of the soldiers, even of those still on active duty at the time of the investigation, was ever court martialed in connection with the heinous crimes. Moreover, six suspected war criminals were allowed to resign from military service during the criminal investigations specifically to avoid prosecution. http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2003/11/87856.php ================================================== == Killing men, women, children and cutting up of bodies: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/patrick.guen...nnews/stir.htm ================================================== == |
"Michael Bryant" wrote in message ... http://courierjournal.com/cjextra/ed...0822-3637.html "The person who can bring this destructive ugliness to a halt is the President himself. Sen. McCain, R-Ariz., has called on him to renounce the ads. Mr. Bush has not done so, however. Instead, his campaign has argued simply that it had no hand in the ads. That's unlikely, but in any case it's not the point." Bush did so. Will Kerry do the same? Doubtful. "No president should allow the military service of an American veteran to be impugned recklessly and malevolently. " The hypocrisy is amazing. |
"Michael Bryant" wrote in message ... From: (John S. Dyson) Any clear-thinking individual would agree that many American soldiers did indeed carry out atrocities in VN. Any many more did not. Any clear-thinking individual can see that. Answer this Bryant, do you think that Moveon.org and F911 are not smear campaigns? I'm sure you won't answer, it's not your style to debate. |
MnMikew wrote:
Any clear-thinking individual would agree that many American soldiers did indeed carry out atrocities in VN. Any many more did not. Any clear-thinking individual can see that. If that is true, why are we still picking on the Nazis? Way under one percent committed anything resembling an atrocity. Any clear thinking individual can see that. mike |
"m II" wrote in message news:A_QWc.52122$X12.50817@edtnps84... MnMikew wrote: Any clear-thinking individual would agree that many American soldiers did indeed carry out atrocities in VN. Any many more did not. Any clear-thinking individual can see that. If that is true, why are we still picking on the Nazis? Way under one percent committed anything resembling an atrocity. Any clear thinking individual can see that. And let me say in a clear thinking way that those of us who are routinely accused of being latter day Nazis appreciate your sentiment. I hereby designate you an honorary Uber Reichmarshall. |
T. Early wrote:
And let me say in a clear thinking way that those of us who are routinely accused of being latter day Nazis appreciate your sentiment. I hereby designate you an honorary Uber Reichmarshall. You haf a kind hart. Thank you. I vill cherish dis moment forefer. mike (mit visions of Doktor Strangelove dancing in hiss head) II |
"m II" wrote in message news:A_QWc.52122$X12.50817@edtnps84... MnMikew wrote: Any clear-thinking individual would agree that many American soldiers did indeed carry out atrocities in VN. Any many more did not. Any clear-thinking individual can see that. If that is true, why are we still picking on the Nazis? Way under one percent committed anything resembling an atrocity. Any clear thinking individual can see that. But you're not really a clear thinking individual now are you? What a ridiculous statement. |
MnMikew wrote:
"m II" wrote in message news:A_QWc.52122$X12.50817@edtnps84... MnMikew wrote: Any clear-thinking individual would agree that many American soldiers did indeed carry out atrocities in VN. Any many more did not. Any clear-thinking individual can see that. If that is true, why are we still picking on the Nazis? Way under one percent committed anything resembling an atrocity. Any clear thinking individual can see that. But you're not really a clear thinking individual now are you? What a ridiculous statement. Is it? Pretend you have three countries. Each has an army with a one percent content of lunatic murderers. Three of your non-combatant family members are killed and mutilated by members of each army. Will you now say that only ONE of the murderers is an evil *******? Two of them? All them? Will you wait until the winners write the history books and THEN decide? mike |
"m II" wrote in message news:JQ4Xc.44028$S55.28629@clgrps12... MnMikew wrote: "m II" wrote in message news:A_QWc.52122$X12.50817@edtnps84... MnMikew wrote: Any clear-thinking individual would agree that many American soldiers did indeed carry out atrocities in VN. Any many more did not. Any clear-thinking individual can see that. If that is true, why are we still picking on the Nazis? Way under one percent committed anything resembling an atrocity. Any clear thinking individual can see that. But you're not really a clear thinking individual now are you? What a ridiculous statement. Is it? Pretend you have three countries. Each has an army with a one percent content of lunatic murderers. Three of your non-combatant family members are killed and mutilated by members of each army. Will you now say that only ONE of the murderers is an evil *******? Two of them? All them? Will you wait until the winners write the history books and THEN decide? mike The thing you don't understand is that the Nazi party embraced the extermination of 6 million people. Did they all have a direct hand in it, no, but they were fine with it. This was not the case in Nam. |
"m II" wrote in message news:Jq7Xc.44078$S55.21201@clgrps12... MnMikew wrote: The thing you don't understand is that the Nazi party embraced the extermination of 6 million people. Did they all have a direct hand in it, no, but they were fine with it. This was not the case in Nam. Your present government now has plans to attack another what, sixty five or seventy countries? The fact that you don't find this troubling shows just how decadent your politics has become. What! And your source for this is???? Now, tell me. If *your* family members were killed off by different governments/parties/ideological camps, would you call just one of them evil, some of them evil, all of them evil or does it *depend*? Why is that simple question so hard to answer? A question that makes no sense. |
MnMikew wrote:
Your present government now has plans to attack another what, sixty five or seventy countries? The fact that you don't find this troubling shows just how decadent your politics has become. What! And your source for this is???? A list of seventy enemies of the State who will be made to disappear. http://shinbone.home.att.net/enelist.htm A list of the *countries* was prepared by the neocons (Remember them? They started this aggression!). It was printed out in many papers at the time of the 'Perpetual War' declaration. Please do your own homework. If I provide links, you'll just say they aren't credible. Show ME Washington has NO plans of more pre emptive strikes. The zionists have taught them well. It would appear the American intelligence service is now just a branch office of Likud. Now, tell me. If *your* family members were killed off by different governments/parties/ideological camps, would you call just one of them evil, some of them evil, all of them evil or does it *depend*? Why is that simple question so hard to answer? A question that makes no sense. Evasion noted.. mike |
"m II" wrote in message news:of9Xc.44110$S55.3452@clgrps12... MnMikew wrote: Your present government now has plans to attack another what, sixty five or seventy countries? The fact that you don't find this troubling shows just how decadent your politics has become. What! And your source for this is???? A list of seventy enemies of the State who will be made to disappear. http://shinbone.home.att.net/enelist.htm A list of the *countries* was prepared by the neocons (Remember them? They started this aggression!). It was printed out in many papers at the time of the 'Perpetual War' declaration. Please do your own homework. If I provide links, you'll just say they aren't credible. Show ME Washington has NO plans of more pre emptive strikes. The zionists have taught them well. It would appear the American intelligence service is now just a branch office of Likud. You actually think the above link is a valid source? Your hopeless. |
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