"dxAce" wrote in message
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One can't both 'dodge the draft' and be a member of the National Guard at
the
same time.


Yes it's possible when your father is a big shot who gets your name listed
for figuration purpose only. See you got shafted cause you actually had to
serve while Bush didn't. Please come back when you find ONE occurence where
your dear fraudulently elected president displayed ONE factual action of
true personal courage instead of going about his usual cowardly business of
wasting young american lives by sending them abroad to kill thousands of
Irakis and destroy their country to "liberate" them.

Joe wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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One can't both 'dodge the draft' and be a member of the National Guard at
the
same time.


Yes it's possible when your father is a big shot who gets your name listed
for figuration purpose only.

No, it is not. One cannot 'dodge the draft' and be a member of the National
Guard at the same time.

You are a bit confused. I'm not surprised. Many are.

See you got shafted cause you actually had to
serve while Bush didn't.

Bush did serve, perhaps not in the same capacity, but he did serve. And I
certainly don't consider myself to have gotten 'the shaft'.

You ever serve your country?

Please come back when you find ONE occurence where
your dear fraudulently elected president displayed ONE factual action of
true personal courage instead of going about his usual cowardly business of
wasting young american lives by sending them abroad to kill thousands of
Irakis and destroy their country to "liberate" them.

As far as I'm concerned he did display personal courage. He flew a fighter jet.
I sure would not desire to do so!

You keep trying, Joe. I'm sure you'll get your head on straight yet.

dxAce

"dxAce" wrote in message
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You ever serve your country?


I never got shafted by my country like you dude.

As far as I'm concerned he did display personal courage. He flew a fighter
jet.
I sure would not desire to do so!

You gotta be joking right? Courage? What a ridiculous and pathetic farce.

Joe wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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You ever serve your country?


I never got shafted by my country like you dude.

I'm not really clear on how I 'got shafted'. I certainly got paid, I got fed, I
got housed, I got to see many things around the world that most will never see,
I got a college education, and I have pride in what I did and accomplished.

It was an experience I would never wish to give up, nor forget.

Perhaps you might elaborate on just how you think *I* got shafted.

dxAce

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Perhaps you might elaborate on just how you think *I* got shafted.

Your challenged brain can't even understand any other point of view but your
radical right wing propaganda so why should I try?

Joe wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Perhaps you might elaborate on just how you think *I* got shafted.

Your challenged brain can't even understand any other point of view but your
radical right wing propaganda so why should I try?

Can't do it can you?

I'm not surprised.

dxAce

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Can't do it can you?


Oh yes I can. It's just that you can't compute it at all.

I'm not surprised.

Me neither.

dxAce wrote:
No, it is not. One cannot 'dodge the draft' and be a member of the National
Guard at the same time.

However, when you petition your draft board for a deferment and get turned
down, so you're pretty sure you're going to get drafted, you can decide
to enlist in the Navy Reserves.

From the book: "John Kerry's service record indicates that on February 18,
1966, he enlisted in the United States Naval Reserves, status 'inactive',
not in the U.S. Navy. These details are conveniently left out of all
pro-Kerry biographies. Douglas Brinkley records that Kerry entered
Offer Candidate School in Newport, Rhode Island; however, again he fails
to note that Kerry was seeking to be an officer of the U.S. Naval Reserve."

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clifto wrote:


From the book: "John Kerry's service record indicates that on February 18,
1966, he enlisted in the United States Naval Reserves, status 'inactive',
not in the U.S. Navy. These details are conveniently left out of all
pro-Kerry biographies. Douglas Brinkley records that Kerry entered
Offer Candidate School in Newport, Rhode Island; however, again he fails
to note that Kerry was seeking to be an officer of the U.S. Naval Reserve."

So he took part in a "delayed enlistment program", where you sign up,
are placed on inactive reserve status, and several months to a year
later go to active duty. Why are these guys making such a big deal of
it?

I did that myself with the Air Force. It has the benefit of giving you
an earlier time-in-service date for promotions and stuff, and keeping
you away from the Army's draft notices. I was on inactive status with
the US Air Force Reserve from May to August, 1972, then went to basic
training and onto active duty status with the US Air Force until May,
1984 when I got out with a full 12 years time in service.

It was very commonly done, especially for someone who wanted to finish
school or something without the Army's draft hanging over your head; you
are already committed to (and on inactive reserve status with) the
branch you desired, and don't have to play games if the Army decided to
send you a notice.

Most officers become "reserve officers" and are granted an active
commission. These guys that wrote the book you are quoting from are
purely playing games with the language in an attempt to fool those who
don't know any better and make something that is common (and innocent,
and accepted) look like something sneaky and underhanded. When people
ask me I don't go into the big explanation about the delayed enlistment
and inactive reserve service; I just say that I was in the Air Force
from August 1972 to May 1984, and usually don't bother to mention that
chunk of time; it was really meaningless in a military context. The
*only* thing I did was sign a contract indicating my intent to go to
active duty at a specific date; there were no drills involved, uniforms,
haircuts, or anything else. I was still in school, then I enjoyed most
of my summer vacation before going downtoen to Whiehall Street for my
final induction.

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Mike Pearson see .sig wrote:
clifto wrote:
From the book: "John Kerry's service record indicates that on February 18,
1966, he enlisted in the United States Naval Reserves, status 'inactive',
not in the U.S. Navy. These details are conveniently left out of all
pro-Kerry biographies. Douglas Brinkley records that Kerry entered
Offer Candidate School in Newport, Rhode Island; however, again he fails
to note that Kerry was seeking to be an officer of the U.S. Naval Reserve."

So he took part in a "delayed enlistment program", where you sign up,
are placed on inactive reserve status, and several months to a year
later go to active duty. Why are these guys making such a big deal of
it?

Because Kerry's Viet Nam record is replete with reports of him doing
whatever he could to minimize his proximity to battle. I have no problem
with that in itself, but if he's then going to criticize Bush for joining
the National Guard to avoid battle, he's a hypocrite.

Personally, if I'd had a ghost of a chance of being able to fly the
world's best airframes like Bush did, I'd have joined the Podunk Possum
Posse to get in the pilot's seat.

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