dxAce wrote:
No, it is not. One cannot 'dodge the draft' and be a member of the National
Guard at the same time.

However, when you petition your draft board for a deferment and get turned
down, so you're pretty sure you're going to get drafted, you can decide
to enlist in the Navy Reserves.

From the book: "John Kerry's service record indicates that on February 18,
1966, he enlisted in the United States Naval Reserves, status 'inactive',
not in the U.S. Navy. These details are conveniently left out of all
pro-Kerry biographies. Douglas Brinkley records that Kerry entered
Offer Candidate School in Newport, Rhode Island; however, again he fails
to note that Kerry was seeking to be an officer of the U.S. Naval Reserve."

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Both Kerry and Edwards announced their candidacy near the beginning of September,
2003, so let's only count votes before then. From January, 2003, to August, 2003,
Senator Edwards didn't vote 69 out of 320 opportunities (~22%) and Senator Kerry
didn't vote 182 out of 320 opportunities (~57%). http://www.mwilliams.info/archives/001349.php

clifto wrote:


From the book: "John Kerry's service record indicates that on February 18,
1966, he enlisted in the United States Naval Reserves, status 'inactive',
not in the U.S. Navy. These details are conveniently left out of all
pro-Kerry biographies. Douglas Brinkley records that Kerry entered
Offer Candidate School in Newport, Rhode Island; however, again he fails
to note that Kerry was seeking to be an officer of the U.S. Naval Reserve."

So he took part in a "delayed enlistment program", where you sign up,
are placed on inactive reserve status, and several months to a year
later go to active duty. Why are these guys making such a big deal of
it?

I did that myself with the Air Force. It has the benefit of giving you
an earlier time-in-service date for promotions and stuff, and keeping
you away from the Army's draft notices. I was on inactive status with
the US Air Force Reserve from May to August, 1972, then went to basic
training and onto active duty status with the US Air Force until May,
1984 when I got out with a full 12 years time in service.

It was very commonly done, especially for someone who wanted to finish
school or something without the Army's draft hanging over your head; you
are already committed to (and on inactive reserve status with) the
branch you desired, and don't have to play games if the Army decided to
send you a notice.

Most officers become "reserve officers" and are granted an active
commission. These guys that wrote the book you are quoting from are
purely playing games with the language in an attempt to fool those who
don't know any better and make something that is common (and innocent,
and accepted) look like something sneaky and underhanded. When people
ask me I don't go into the big explanation about the delayed enlistment
and inactive reserve service; I just say that I was in the Air Force
from August 1972 to May 1984, and usually don't bother to mention that
chunk of time; it was really meaningless in a military context. The
*only* thing I did was sign a contract indicating my intent to go to
active duty at a specific date; there were no drills involved, uniforms,
haircuts, or anything else. I was still in school, then I enjoyed most
of my summer vacation before going downtoen to Whiehall Street for my
final induction.

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Mike Pearson see .sig wrote:
clifto wrote:
From the book: "John Kerry's service record indicates that on February 18,
1966, he enlisted in the United States Naval Reserves, status 'inactive',
not in the U.S. Navy. These details are conveniently left out of all
pro-Kerry biographies. Douglas Brinkley records that Kerry entered
Offer Candidate School in Newport, Rhode Island; however, again he fails
to note that Kerry was seeking to be an officer of the U.S. Naval Reserve."

So he took part in a "delayed enlistment program", where you sign up,
are placed on inactive reserve status, and several months to a year
later go to active duty. Why are these guys making such a big deal of
it?

Because Kerry's Viet Nam record is replete with reports of him doing
whatever he could to minimize his proximity to battle. I have no problem
with that in itself, but if he's then going to criticize Bush for joining
the National Guard to avoid battle, he's a hypocrite.

Personally, if I'd had a ghost of a chance of being able to fly the
world's best airframes like Bush did, I'd have joined the Podunk Possum
Posse to get in the pilot's seat.

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If Kerry can't cope with the "Republican Attack Machine",
how can he hope to deal with Al Qaeda?

clifto wrote:

Mike Pearson see .sig wrote:
clifto wrote:
From the book: "John Kerry's service record indicates that on February 18,
1966, he enlisted in the United States Naval Reserves, status 'inactive',
not in the U.S. Navy. These details are conveniently left out of all
pro-Kerry biographies. Douglas Brinkley records that Kerry entered
Offer Candidate School in Newport, Rhode Island; however, again he fails
to note that Kerry was seeking to be an officer of the U.S. Naval Reserve."

So he took part in a "delayed enlistment program", where you sign up,
are placed on inactive reserve status, and several months to a year
later go to active duty. Why are these guys making such a big deal of
it?

Because Kerry's Viet Nam record is replete with reports of him doing
whatever he could to minimize his proximity to battle. I have no problem
with that in itself, but if he's then going to criticize Bush for joining
the National Guard to avoid battle, he's a hypocrite.

But the delayed enlistment has absolutely *nothing* to do with anything;
the authors of that book are, as usual, raising a red-herring and making
is sound like something sinister.

How does Kerry's volunteering to go back to Vietnam for a 2nd tour and
asking for swift boat duty on that tour constitute "minimizing his
proximity to battle"? Compare that to GWB's "NO" box checked next to
the "Volunteer for overseas duty?" box on his paperwork.



Personally, if I'd had a ghost of a chance of being able to fly the
world's best airframes like Bush did, I'd have joined the Podunk Possum
Posse to get in the pilot's seat.

Of the 875 F-102A production models that entered service, 259 were lost
in accidents that killed 70 Air Force and ANG pilots, an accident rate
far above the other aircraft in service at the time. By December of
1969 all F102's had been removed from service in Southeast Asia (they
had been flown as a part of the ANG's "Palace Alert" program) and were
used for domestic air defense by the ANG. It was hardly the
state-of-the-art machine that you think it was at that time.


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In article ,
(Mike Pearson see .sig) wrote:

clifto wrote:

Mike Pearson see .sig wrote:
clifto wrote:
From the book: "John Kerry's service record indicates that on February
18,
1966, he enlisted in the United States Naval Reserves, status
'inactive',
not in the U.S. Navy. These details are conveniently left out of all
pro-Kerry biographies. Douglas Brinkley records that Kerry entered
Offer Candidate School in Newport, Rhode Island; however, again he fails
to note that Kerry was seeking to be an officer of the U.S. Naval
Reserve."

So he took part in a "delayed enlistment program", where you sign up,
are placed on inactive reserve status, and several months to a year
later go to active duty. Why are these guys making such a big deal of
it?

Because Kerry's Viet Nam record is replete with reports of him doing
whatever he could to minimize his proximity to battle. I have no problem
with that in itself, but if he's then going to criticize Bush for joining
the National Guard to avoid battle, he's a hypocrite.

But the delayed enlistment has absolutely *nothing* to do with anything;
the authors of that book are, as usual, raising a red-herring and making
is sound like something sinister.

How does Kerry's volunteering to go back to Vietnam for a 2nd tour and
asking for swift boat duty on that tour constitute "minimizing his
proximity to battle"? Compare that to GWB's "NO" box checked next to
the "Volunteer for overseas duty?" box on his paperwork.

You are mistaken. Bush checked the box "NO" next to " Volunteer for
overseas war atrocities."

Kerry checked the box "Yes" next to that line.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Mike Pearson see .sig wrote:

Of the 875 F-102A production models that entered service, 259 were lost
in accidents that killed 70 Air Force and ANG pilots, an accident rate
far above the other aircraft in service at the time. By December of
1969 all F102's had been removed from service in Southeast Asia (they
had been flown as a part of the ANG's "Palace Alert" program) and were
used for domestic air defense by the ANG. It was hardly the
state-of-the-art machine that you think it was at that time.


The f-104 was pretty bad too. Almost three hundred of them crashed. It
earned the nickname the 'Widowmaker'. Is that the price of the lowest
bidder winning or a case of delivering faulty goods?




mike