OT. Kerry LIES again
 

helmsman wrote:

A Silver Star with a V has never been issued by any branch of the
military.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=14774

Now, on the heels of yet another revelation—that Kerry’s DD 214 (“Report of Transfer or
Separation”), displayed on his website, shows his Silver Star embellished with an
unauthorized “V” for valor—which makes it facially false and at variance with official
government records (see our article, John Kerry’s Mysterious Combat “V”)—it has come to
light that his Silver Star award is fraught with other peculiarities.

A related article, if you've not yet seen it:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect...ws-lips28.html

Let's face it, Kerry himself is 'fraught with peculiarities'.

I hope that all involved keep asking questions about *all* his decorations.

It may turn out that John Fraud Kerry owes the United States of America some *combat time*,
or at the very least be stripped of his Senate seat and sentenced to a stint in the brig.

dxAce

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 08:48:39 -0400, dxAce wrote:



helmsman wrote:

A Silver Star with a V has never been issued by any branch of the
military.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=14774

Now, on the heels of yet another revelation—that Kerry’s DD 214 (“Report of Transfer or
Separation”), displayed on his website, shows his Silver Star embellished with an
unauthorized “V” for valor—which makes it facially false and at variance with official
government records (see our article, John Kerry’s Mysterious Combat “V”)—it has come to
light that his Silver Star award is fraught with other peculiarities.

A related article, if you've not yet seen it:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect...ws-lips28.html

Let's face it, Kerry himself is 'fraught with peculiarities'.

I hope that all involved keep asking questions about *all* his decorations.

It may turn out that John Fraud Kerry owes the United States of America some *combat time*,
or at the very least be stripped of his Senate seat and sentenced to a stint in the brig.

dxAce


Wow dX - I'm with you on this one.

In article , dxAce
wrote:

helmsman wrote:

A Silver Star with a V has never been issued by any branch of the
military.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=14774

Now, on the heels of yet another revelation—that Kerry’s DD 214
(“Report of Transfer or Separation”), displayed on his website,
shows his Silver Star embellished with an unauthorized “V” for
valor—which makes it facially false and at variance with official
government records (see our article, John Kerry’s Mysterious Combat
“V”)—it has come to light that his Silver Star award is fraught
with other peculiarities.

A related article, if you've not yet seen it:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect...ws-lips28.html

Let's face it, Kerry himself is 'fraught with peculiarities'.

I hope that all involved keep asking questions about *all* his
decorations.

It may turn out that John Fraud Kerry owes the United States of
America some *combat time*, or at the very least be stripped of his
Senate seat and sentenced to a stint in the brig.

I just bought the Unfit for command book and will read it later today.
So far what I have read about Kerry on the Internet, documented stuff
not the partizan sites, is what he did upon his return from Vietnam
witten on the congressional record and in released FBI files. This
looks far worse to me than any war atrocities he may have committed in
Vietnam or his liberal voting record in the Senate. There is very
troublesome information on his activities upon his return from Vietnam.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article , dxAce
wrote:

helmsman wrote:

A Silver Star with a V has never been issued by any branch of the
military.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=14774

Now, on the heels of yet another revelation-that Kerry's DD 214
("Report of Transfer or Separation"), displayed on his website,
shows his Silver Star embellished with an unauthorized "V" for
valor-which makes it facially false and at variance with official
government records (see our article, John Kerry's Mysterious Combat
"V")-it has come to light that his Silver Star award is fraught
with other peculiarities.

A related article, if you've not yet seen it:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect...ws-lips28.html

Let's face it, Kerry himself is 'fraught with peculiarities'.

I hope that all involved keep asking questions about *all* his
decorations.

It may turn out that John Fraud Kerry owes the United States of
America some *combat time*, or at the very least be stripped of his
Senate seat and sentenced to a stint in the brig.

I just bought the Unfit for command book and will read it later today.
So far what I have read about Kerry on the Internet, documented stuff
not the partizan sites, is what he did upon his return from Vietnam
witten on the congressional record and in released FBI files. This
looks far worse to me than any war atrocities he may have committed in
Vietnam or his liberal voting record in the Senate. There is very
troublesome information on his activities upon his return from Vietnam.

Sure is. You'd think he was fighting for freedom or something.

Post your **** to the appropriate newsgroup, idiot.


On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:37:40 GMT, helmsman
wrote:

A Silver Star with a V has never been issued by any branch of the
military.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=14774

Now, on the heels of yet another revelation—that Kerry’s DD 214 (“Report of Transfer or
Separation”), displayed on his website, shows his Silver Star embellished with an
unauthorized “V” for valor—which makes it facially false and at variance with official
government records (see our article, John Kerry’s Mysterious Combat “V”)—it has come to
light that his Silver Star award is fraught with other peculiarities.

= = = Telamon wrote in message
= = = ...
In article , dxAce
wrote:

helmsman wrote:

A Silver Star with a V has never been issued by any branch of the
military.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=14774

Now, on the heels of yet another revelation?that Kerry?s DD 214
(?Report of Transfer or Separation?), displayed on his website,
shows his Silver Star embellished with an unauthorized ?V? for
valor?which makes it facially false and at variance with official
government records (see our article, John Kerry?s Mysterious Combat
?V?)?it has come to light that his Silver Star award is fraught
with other peculiarities.

A related article, if you've not yet seen it:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect...ws-lips28.html

Let's face it, Kerry himself is 'fraught with peculiarities'.

I hope that all involved keep asking questions about *all* his
decorations.

It may turn out that John Fraud Kerry owes the United States of
America some *combat time*, or at the very least be stripped of his
Senate seat and sentenced to a stint in the brig.

I just bought the Unfit for command book and will read it later today.
So far what I have read about Kerry on the Internet, documented stuff
not the partizan sites, is what he did upon his return from Vietnam
witten on the congressional record and in released FBI files.

TELAMON,

IIRC - The FBI Files place him in meetings of the Vietnam Veterans
Against the War, that 'plotted' the Killing of Members of Congress.

jtf ~ RHF
..
..
This looks far worse to me than any war atrocities he may have
committed in Vietnam or his liberal voting record in the Senate.
There is very troublesome information on his activities upon his
return from Vietnam.

..

"helmsman" wrote:

A Silver Star with a V has never
been issued by any branch of the
military. (snip)


Actually, if anyone is lying, it would have to be the Navy doing so since
it's their DD-214.

Kerry's web site, on the other hand, only mentions a Bronze Star with
Combat V....

"As he was about to graduate from Yale,
John Kerry volunteered to serve in
Vietnam. His leadership, courage, and
sacrifice earned him a Silver Star, a
Bronze Star with Combat V, and three
Purple Hearts."

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/

Stewart

"-=jd=-" wrote in message
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On Wed 01 Sep 2004 06:23:53a, "Dwight Stewart"
wrote in message
. net:


You will also see Kerry's DD-215 (correction to DD-214). That may hold the
correct information, but I can't get that document to open. Perhaps you
can. If it does clear up the erroneous info on his DD-214, I trust you
will let us know.


Apparently amended to read: (corrected to read)

Item #24

Presidential Unit Citation Ribbon
Navy Unit Citation Ribbon

Republic of Vietnam MUC Gallantry Cross Medal Color with Palm
Republic of Vietnam MUC Civil Action Medal Color with Palm

Delete: Vietnam Service Medal
Add: Vietnam Service Medal with 4 bronze stars.

Date: 20010312
Official Authorized To Sign: Martin, Dena M. Grade: GS-11 Title: Head,
Retired Records Section


I have no idea whether this negates the awards listed under Line 24, page 2
of his DD-214 (Bronze star with combat "V", Silver star with combat "V", 3
purple hearts).

In article ,
"Dwight Stewart" wrote:

"helmsman" wrote:

A Silver Star with a V has never
been issued by any branch of the
military. (snip)


Actually, if anyone is lying, it would have to be the Navy doing so since
it's their DD-214.

Kerry's web site, on the other hand, only mentions a Bronze Star with
Combat V....

"As he was about to graduate from Yale,
John Kerry volunteered to serve in
Vietnam. His leadership, courage, and
sacrifice earned him a Silver Star, a
Bronze Star with Combat V, and three
Purple Hearts."

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/

Repeating a lie does not make it true.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"-=jd=-" wrote:

What do you mean, it "only mentions
a Bronze Star with Combat V"?
You're on the correct web-site, but
you apparently aren't aware of the
Silver Star with Combat V listed at:


Yes, I read the DD-214 and then responded..."Actually, if anyone is lying,
it would have to be the Navy doing so since it's their DD-214." Or perhaps
you have another explination of why a possible error by the Navy on their
form suggests at all that Kerry himself is lying, especially when the web
site actually written by Kerry's staff...

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/

...doesn't say anything about a Silver Star "with Combat V." That page,
written by Kerry's staff (not the Navy), only mentions a Silver Star, a
Bronze Star with Combat V, and the Purple Hearts.

Stewart

"Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote:

Apparently amended to read: (corrected to read)

Item #24

Presidential Unit Citation Ribbon
Navy Unit Citation Ribbon

Republic of Vietnam MUC Gallantry Cross
Medal Color with Palm
Republic of Vietnam MUC Civil Action
Medal Color with Palm

Delete: Vietnam Service Medal
Add: Vietnam Service Medal with 4 bronze stars.

Date: 20010312
Official Authorized To Sign: Martin, Dena M.
Grade: GS-11 Title: Head,
Retired Records Section


I have no idea whether this negates
the awards listed (snip)


No, it simply adds the two "Unit Citation" ribbons and the two "Republic
of Vietnam MUC" medals, and replaces the "Vietnam Service Medal," with the
"Vietnam Service Medal with 4 bronze stars."

Stewart

= = = "Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
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"helmsman" wrote:

A Silver Star with a V has never
been issued by any branch of the
military. (snip)


Actually, if anyone is lying, it would have to be the Navy doing so since
it's their DD-214.

Kerry's web site, on the other hand, only mentions a Bronze Star with
Combat V....

"As he was about to graduate from Yale,
John Kerry volunteered to serve in
Vietnam. His leadership, courage, and
sacrifice earned him a Silver Star, a
Bronze Star with Combat V, and three
Purple Hearts."

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/

Stewart

DS,

Forget John 'ff' Kerry's 'questionable' Military Service Record.

Disregard John 'ff' Kerry's Lies before Congress (some would call
it Treason) as a Leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

Lets overlook John 'ff' Kerry's 'flacky' {Anti-Military Spending
and Intelligence Budget Cuts} Voting Record throughout his career
as a Senator.

But Think About This...
FACT: As a member of the Intelligence committee, Senator John 'ff'
Kerry was absent for 76 percent of the Committee's hearings. In the
year after the first Terrorist Attack on the World Trade Center,
John 'ff' Kerry was absent for every single one.
[ John 'ff' Kerry = Missing In Action ]

Just the Facts ~ RHF

..

Quoth "-=jd=-" in
:

I certainly hope that Kerry doesn't kill himself over
something like this, but I only mention it to point out an
example of how military men and women can regard those
awards - more dearly than most would imagine. And I believe
Kerry has no clue about that.

It's a damned good thing Bush isn't a military man, eh?

http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=276

--
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Any government will waste money.
Only the worst waste lives.

Quoth "-=jd=-" in
:
Since the unit award/citation is awarded to the unit and
not the individual, I'd be willing to bet good money that
Bush didn't forge any documents or write himself up for
that particular ribbon.

Of course, neither did Lt. Kerry, no matter what the Smear
Vets and those who cling to their fairy tales might pretend.

But it seems clear that Lt. Bush wore this ribbon without any
justification, forged or otherwise.

From the cited article:

The Air Force Historical Research Service Organization
confirmed that the 147th Fighter Intercept Group and the
111th Fighter Intercept Squadron received an Air Force
Outstanding Unit Award for the time period of 1965-1966,
two years before Bush joined the service.

[The Air For]ce also said both units received the
Outstanding Unit Award in 1975. Bush was discharged from
his Texas Guard unit on Oct. 1, 1973.

Between these dates, the Air Force said Wednesday, there
are "no additional awards."


--
Where was AWOL George W. Bush?
http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm
Any government will waste money.
Only the worst waste lives.

"RHF" wrote:

But Think About This...
FACT: As a member of the Intelligence
committee, Senator John 'ff' Kerry was
absent for 76 percent of the Committee's
hearings. (snip)


Actually, you can only say that about the _open_ hearings. For security
reasons, the vast majority of the meetings between Intelligence Committee
members are closed to the public. Open hearings are only held when a member
requests a public hearing for some reason. And, as with all public hearings,
usually only those with an interest in participation attend. Other,
non-attending, members simply read the transcripts of those hearings later.

Stewart

Dwight Stewart wrote:

"RHF" wrote:

But Think About This...
FACT: As a member of the Intelligence
committee, Senator John 'ff' Kerry was
absent for 76 percent of the Committee's
hearings. (snip)

Actually, you can only say that about the _open_ hearings.

OK 'tardo, why don't you tell us how many 'closed' hearings John Fraud Kerry
attended? What percentage?

dxAce

For security
reasons, the vast majority of the meetings between Intelligence Committee
members are closed to the public. Open hearings are only held when a member
requests a public hearing for some reason. And, as with all public hearings,
usually only those with an interest in participation attend. Other,
non-attending, members simply read the transcripts of those hearings later.

Stewart

Dwight Stewart wrote:
"RHF" wrote:

But Think About This...
FACT: As a member of the Intelligence
committee, Senator John 'ff' Kerry was
absent for 76 percent of the Committee's
hearings. (snip)



Actually, you can only say that about the _open_ hearings. For security
reasons, the vast majority of the meetings between Intelligence Committee
members are closed to the public. Open hearings are only held when a member
requests a public hearing for some reason. And, as with all public hearings,
usually only those with an interest in participation attend. Other,
non-attending, members simply read the transcripts of those hearings later.

Stewart


This might be an effective argument if Sen. Kerry asked to have his
attendance records for closed meetings released.

But public or private, you'd think someone planning to run for President
might be interested in attending and participating in those meetings.

Dwight

Please post radio items, not politics to a radio newsgroup..

Thanks

Mike

It doesn't make sense - why would he wear a *unit* citation for a unit
photo?

Unit citations are authorized for wear by members of the unit while they are
assigned to it. I've been assigned to USAF and USA units and this was true in
both instances.

Quoth "-=jd=-" in
:

What fairly tales might those be? You're acting on your
faith in Kerry from a distance. The Swift Vets are acting
on personal observations and experience.

The contents of "Unfit For Command."

The Swift Vets are acting on personal observations and
experience.

They SAY that they are. I don't buy it.

The testimony of those closest to Kerry at the time of the
events agrees with his story, as does all available
contemporaneous official documentation. All of those who
contradict the official record were at some remove from Kerry,
either in distance or time or both, and nearly every day,
another Swift Vet comes forward to complain that O'Neill is
lying, or admits that his affidavit is pure hearsay, or is
caught lying about other important matters, either related or
unrelated, or that O'Neill is using his name without his
permission.

Moreover, Nixon had access to all Kerry's official records 35
years ago when he hired on O'Neill to pursue him, and was
unable to find any dirt in them -- this at a time when any
such dirt would have been fresh and most readily available.

Nixon was not one to leave dirt unused if it was available for
use.

Occam's Razor says the simplest solution is the most likely;
in this case, the simplest solution is that O'Neil and his co-
conspirators have been holding a nagging grudge against Kerry
for 35 years, and now, toward the end of their lives, are
willing to lie brutally in a final effort to satisfy that
grudge and deny Kerry the Presidency, knowing that they will
be well taken care of by Bush's corporate cronies whether or
not they are successful.

It doesn't make sense - why would he wear a *unit* citation
for a unit photo?

What "unit photo"? The photo in the Bush library is an
individual photo.

Anyway, who knows why? Perhaps he felt as though he didn't
look distinguished enough without it. Who knows what went
through the cocaine-and-alcohol-addled brain of that young
second lieutenant at the time?

Only he can answer the question.

--
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http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm
Any government will waste money.
Only the worst waste lives.

Quoth "-=jd=-" in
:

What fairly tales might those be? You're acting on your
faith in Kerry from a distance.

The contents of "Unfit For Command."

The Swift Vets are acting on personal observations and
experience.

They SAY that they are. I don't buy it.

The testimony of those closest to Kerry at the time of the
events agrees with his story, as does all available
contemporaneous official documentation. All of those who
contradict the official record were at some remove from Kerry,
either in distance or time or both, and nearly every day,
another Swift Vet comes forward to complain that O'Neill is
lying, or admits that his affidavit is pure hearsay, or is
caught lying about other important matters, either related or
unrelated, or that O'Neill is using his name without his
permission.

Moreover, Nixon had access to all Kerry's official records 35
years ago when he hired on O'Neill to pursue him, and was
unable to find any dirt in them -- this at a time when any
such dirt would have been fresh and most readily available.

Nixon was not one to leave dirt unused if it was available for
use.

Occam's Razor says the simplest solution is the most likely;
in this case, the simplest solution is that O'Neil and his co-
conspirators have been holding a nagging grudge against Kerry
for 35 years, and now, toward the end of their lives, are
willing to lie brutally in a final effort to satisfy that
grudge and deny Kerry the Presidency, knowing that they will
be well taken care of by Bush's corporate cronies whether or
not they are successful.

It doesn't make sense - why would he wear a *unit* citation
for a unit photo?

What "unit photo"? The photo in the Bush library is an
individual photo.

Anyway, who knows why? Perhaps he felt as though he didn't
look distinguished enough without it. Who knows what went
through the cocaine-and-alcohol-addled brain of that young
second lieutenant at the time?

Only he can answer the question.




--
Where was AWOL George W. Bush?
http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm
Any government will waste money.
Only the worst waste lives.

"AEllery" wrote in message
...
It doesn't make sense - why would he wear a *unit* citation for a unit
photo?


What's this got to do with this newsgroup please?!

Mike

"AEllery" wrote:

Unit citations are authorized for wear
by members of the unit while they are
assigned to it. I've been assigned to
USAF and USA units and this was
true in both instances.


Not true. An Outstanding Unit Award is for those members actually serving
in the unit during the specific period described in the written citation
authorizing the award. Anyone arriving to the unit later clearly did nothing
during the period described in the citation to justify wearing an award
given to those actually serving in the unit during that period.

Stewart

"-=jd=-" wrote:

It doesn't make sense - why would he
wear a *unit* citation for a unit photo?
Like I said, a unit citation doesn't reflect
on the individual - it reflects on the unit
as a whole. (snip)


First, as I said elsewhere, an Outstanding Unit Award is for those members
actually serving in the unit during the specific period described in the
written citation authorizing the award. It is awarded to unit members for
individual and joint efforts which resulted in the outstanding performance
of the unit as a whole. Clearly, anyone arriving to the unit later did
nothing during the period described in the citation to justify wearing an
award given to those actually serving in the unit during that period.

Second, I don't understand your "unit photo" argument. As you well know,
military members are never allowed, for any reason, to wear ribbons or
medals unless specifically authorized. The regulations are very clear about
this, describing both non-judicial and judicial punishment for such
violations. As such, how does your "unit photo" argument negate this?


(snip) If the Air Force see's fit to
dole out some punishment for Bush's
unauthorized display of a *unit* citation,
then so be it. (snip)


Lets be realistic here. Since Bush is no longer on active duty, the Air
Force has no jurisdiction. The United States Code (federal law) would apply
instead. Further, since the picture is old (the statute of limitations has
expired on it), the only way a violation could exist is if the award is
still claimed today. I've seen no such claim by Bush.

Stewart

"dxAce" wrote:

(snip) why don't you tell us how many
'closed' hearings John Fraud Kerry
attended? What percentage?


I don't know. Since they are closed meetings, what happens during those
meetings, including those attending, are by design and intent unknown.

Stewart

"Mike Terry" wrote:

Please post radio items, not politics
to a radio newsgroup. (snip)


Mike, what do you listen to on your shortwave? If you're like most here, I
suspect the answer will be news, politics, world affairs, and so on.
Therefore, it seems obvious these topics are directly related to shortwave
radio.

Stewart

"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

This might be an effective argument
if Sen. Kerry asked to have his
attendance records for closed
meetings released.


Beyond the recording of actual votes for the various recommendations to
the full Senate, are attendance records actually kept for closed Committee
meetings? I'm serious. I don't know the answer to that.


But public or private, (snip)


Don't confuse the "closed meetings" of Committee members with "public
hearings."

Stewart

Dwight Stewart wrote:
"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

This might be an effective argument
if Sen. Kerry asked to have his
attendance records for closed
meetings released.



Beyond the recording of actual votes for the various recommendations to
the full Senate, are attendance records actually kept for closed Committee
meetings? I'm serious. I don't know the answer to that.


Dennis Hassert and John Warner have both publicly said the information
about his attendance can be released if Sen. Kerry gives permission.
(Warner said it on Meet the Press)

So far, the Kerry campaign doesn't seem to have offered a response.




But public or private, (snip)



Don't confuse the "closed meetings" of Committee members with "public
hearings."


I'm not.

Stewart

"-=jd=-" wrote:

(snip) I have a feeling you would
demand an explanation from Bush,
but allow Kerry a pass on his
improprieties.


Did you see me ask, or advocate, for an explanation, from either?

Stewart

"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

Dennis Hassert and John Warner
have both publicly said the information
about his attendance can be released
if Sen. Kerry gives permission. (Warner
said it on Meet the Press)

So far, the Kerry campaign doesn't
seem to have offered a response.


Can you blame him, Mark? This is clearly a one sided deal. Are Dennis
Hassert and John Warner going to release their committee attendance history?
Are the other Intelligence Committee members? Is Bush going to account for
his Intelligence briefings and activities? Of course not. It's all on Kerry
instead. As such, the only thing Kerry has done wrong, in my opinion, is not
telling all those asking for this information to go to hell.

Stewart

"-=jd=-" wrote:

In one unit, I had to wear a unit citation
ribbon for actions my unit took before
I was *born*. (snip)


A unit citation ribbon? Is that the same as the Air Force Outstanding Unit
Award, awarded to units "which have distinguished themselves by
exceptionally meritorious service or outstanding achievement that clearly
sets the unit above and apart from similar units, the services include;
performance of exceptionally meritorious service, accomplishment of a
specific outstanding achievement of national or international significance,
combat operations against an armed enemy of the United States, or military
operations involving conflict with or exposure to hostile actions by an
opposing foreign force."

http://www.afpc.randolph.af.mil/awardsAsp/Medal.asp

Regardless, after a lengthy search, I could not find anything that would
agree or disagree with the idea of personnel later joining a unit wearing
the awards previously presented to that unit. Therefore, the only thing
remaining is the general regulations against wearing unauthorized ribbons
and awards. And, lacking anything else, I guess I'll leave it at that.

Stewart

Quoth Dan in
:

As always, the more we find out about this guy, the less
likely folks will be to vote for him.

The more we find out about ANY politician, the less likely folks
will be to vote for him. That's why Bush has refused to release
his TANG records, despite having said otherwise.


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Only the worst waste lives.

Tom Betz wrote:

Quoth Dan in
:

As always, the more we find out about this guy, the less
likely folks will be to vote for him.

The more we find out about ANY politician, the less likely folks
will be to vote for him. That's why Bush has refused to release
his TANG records, despite having said otherwise.

Well, Kerry certainly has a lot of problems, the majority of which will
not be cured by releasing records.

It's rather difficult to correct character flaws at this point in time.

dxAce

Dwight Stewart wrote:
"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

Dennis Hassert and John Warner
have both publicly said the information
about his attendance can be released
if Sen. Kerry gives permission. (Warner
said it on Meet the Press)

So far, the Kerry campaign doesn't
seem to have offered a response.



Can you blame him, Mark? This is clearly a one sided deal. Are Dennis
Hassert and John Warner going to release their committee attendance history?
Are the other Intelligence Committee members? Is Bush going to account for
his Intelligence briefings and activities? Of course not. It's all on Kerry
instead. As such, the only thing Kerry has done wrong, in my opinion, is not
telling all those asking for this information to go to hell.

Stewart



You'd think if his attendance at the closed meetings was good, he'd be
anxious to take away the argument.

My guess is way back when, John Kerry underestimated how much of an
issue national security and defense would be when he ran for President.

-=jd=- wrote:


In my case, it was either wear it or be "out-of-uniform" with everyone
else. Once it was awarded to the unit, everyone assigned to the unit from
that point forward gets to wear it. I stopped wearing mine with Class A's
after I left that unit and I do not know if I should have continued
wearing it. Like I said, it is quite possible the zoomies do things
differently and someone from the Air-Force would have to confirm.


In the Air Force, it was essentially "wear it while assigned to the
unit, unless you were assigned to the unit for the time period for which
it was awarded, in which case you wear it forever".


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In article . net,
"Dwight Stewart" wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

Dennis Hassert and John Warner
have both publicly said the information
about his attendance can be released
if Sen. Kerry gives permission. (Warner
said it on Meet the Press)

So far, the Kerry campaign doesn't
seem to have offered a response.


Can you blame him, Mark? This is clearly a one sided deal. Are Dennis
Hassert and John Warner going to release their committee attendance history?
Are the other Intelligence Committee members? Is Bush going to account for
his Intelligence briefings and activities? Of course not. It's all on Kerry
instead. As such, the only thing Kerry has done wrong, in my opinion, is not
telling all those asking for this information to go to hell.

Well he is asking for my vote so Kerry can go to hell as far as I'm
concerned.

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Telamon
Ventura, California

"Dan" wrote:

(snip) At least Bush *attended* the
briefings. (snip)


How do you know that? As far as any of us know, Bush could have been in
bed asleep while his staff attended the briefings. Indeed, we don't even
know for sure his staff attended. They could have sent a part-time secretary
instead. I'm not saying any of that is true, only that we (including you)
don't know.

Stewart

"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

You'd think if his attendance at
the closed meetings was good,
he'd be anxious to take away
the argument. (snip)


No, I think he is just darn tired of being asked to provide information
which nobody else involved in all this is providing.

Stewart

Dwight Stewart wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

You'd think if his attendance at
the closed meetings was good,
he'd be anxious to take away
the argument. (snip)

No, I think he is just darn tired of being asked to provide information
which nobody else involved in all this is providing.

But wouldn't stepping forward and providing the info be a coup for him.
Showing leadership and all?

dxAce

"Telamon" wrote:
"Dwight Stewart" wrote:
(snip) As such, the only thing Kerry
has done wrong, in my opinion, is not
telling all those asking for this
information to go to hell.


Well he is asking for my vote so
Kerry can go to hell as far as I'm
concerned.


Well, that is hardly a surprise. Based on your prior messages in this
newsgroup, you wouldn't vote for Kerry even if God came down tonight and
told you to do so. Therefore, Kerry wouldn't get your vote if he released
more information, no matter what that information might say. The same is
probably true for most others in this newsgroup ranting about info not being
released.

Stewart