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David September 4th 04 09:08 PM

Most sensitive portable poll
 
What is the most overall sensitive portable (under $200) for receiving
SW/MW/FM signals? From reading reviews the Degen 1102 and 1103 seem up
there, along with the Sony 7600GR. I use to own the Radio Shack DX-440 (aka
Sangean 803a)
and it was darn good for picking up SW and MW , with a long wire attached.
The best portable I had with just the whip was the Grundig YB 305.
Interesting to hear other opnions.



David September 4th 04 10:28 PM

An analog single-conversion radio with a sliderule dial is probably
the ''most sensitive'' in that price range, but that doesn't mean
you'd be happy with it.

http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/rx_choosing.html

On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 20:08:12 GMT, "David"
wrote:

What is the most overall sensitive portable (under $200) for receiving
SW/MW/FM signals? From reading reviews the Degen 1102 and 1103 seem up
there, along with the Sony 7600GR. I use to own the Radio Shack DX-440 (aka
Sangean 803a)
and it was darn good for picking up SW and MW , with a long wire attached.
The best portable I had with just the whip was the Grundig YB 305.
Interesting to hear other opnions.



Michael Bryant September 5th 04 12:29 AM

From: "David"


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A,
Degen 1102, Degen 1103, GE SRll,
Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
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Michael Bryant September 5th 04 12:33 AM

From: "David"

What is the most overall sensitive portable (under $200) for receiving
SW/MW/FM signals? From reading reviews the Degen 1102 and 1103 seem up
there, along with the Sony 7600GR. I use to own the Radio Shack DX-440 (aka
Sangean 803a)
and it was darn good for picking up SW and MW , with a long wire attached.
The best portable I had with just the whip was the Grundig YB 305.
Interesting to hear other opnions.


Both of my Degens (1102 & 1103) seem far more sensitive than the 7600G does
even when it's hooked to an AN-LP1. Both the Degens are about equally
sensitive, though the better filter, selectivity and the knob make the 1103
preferable.

Kudos to the Chinese.

Michael Bryant
Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A,
Degen 1102, Degen 1103, GE SRll,
Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
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Dale Parfitt September 5th 04 01:07 AM


"David" wrote in message
news:Mgp_c.1062$sS4.830@trndny03...
What is the most overall sensitive portable (under $200) for receiving
SW/MW/FM signals? From reading reviews the Degen 1102 and 1103 seem up
there, along with the Sony 7600GR. I use to own the Radio Shack DX-440

(aka
Sangean 803a)
and it was darn good for picking up SW and MW , with a long wire attached.
The best portable I had with just the whip was the Grundig YB 305.
Interesting to hear other opnions.

Sensitivity is perhaps the least important parameter to be considered in a
SW or MW receiver where the noise floor is limited by atmospheric/galactic
noise.
Try this- turn up the volume on your receiver w/o the antenna connected. If
the noise goes up when you connect the antenna, you have plenty of
sensitivity- now start looking at the important parameters like selectivity,
dynamic range, IP3 etc.

Dale W4OP




Diverd4777 September 5th 04 01:59 AM

In article ,
ospam (Michael Bryant) writes:


Both of my Degens (1102 & 1103) seem far more sensitive than the 7600G does
even when it's hooked to an AN-LP1. Both the Degens are about equally
sensitive, though the better filter, selectivity and the knob make the 1103
preferable.

Kudos to the Chinese.


MWB,
When you get the time,
could you run a little comparison test between all 3;
and post the results

Thanks

Dan


starman September 5th 04 06:45 AM

David wrote:

What is the most overall sensitive portable (under $200) for receiving
SW/MW/FM signals? From reading reviews the Degen 1102 and 1103 seem up
there, along with the Sony 7600GR. I use to own the Radio Shack DX-440 (aka
Sangean 803a)
and it was darn good for picking up SW and MW , with a long wire attached.
The best portable I had with just the whip was the Grundig YB 305.
Interesting to hear other opnions.


The Tecsun S-350 will probably be one of the most sensitive because of
it's analog tuning but it doesn't fair well in other areas such as
selectivity and image rejection.


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Diverd4777 September 5th 04 12:52 PM


I do believe that the JWIN JX -M14 is one of the most sensitive portable
receivers out there;
Even Picks up Radio waves from Outer space;
- Of course adding an external antenna helps quite a bit;

But, as with other cheap sets, it lets in everything;

So you can hear your favorite weak Shortwave broadcast
Mixed in amongst Gypsy cabs, Police cars and Airport Air / Ground traffic...

Selectivity is really the way to go IMHO

Dan / NYC



The Tecsun S-350 will probably be one of the most sensitive because of
it's analog tuning but it doesn't fair well in other areas such as
selectivity and image rejection.



Jay September 5th 04 12:55 PM

Degen 1103 just about matches a Sony 2010 for raw sensitivity (although the
2010 will resolve some tough signals better).

The Sony 7600GR is good too for sensitivity, and the Grundig S-350/Tecsun
BCL2000.

Jay
"David" wrote in message
news:Mgp_c.1062$sS4.830@trndny03...
What is the most overall sensitive portable (under $200) for receiving
SW/MW/FM signals? From reading reviews the Degen 1102 and 1103 seem up
there, along with the Sony 7600GR. I use to own the Radio Shack DX-440

(aka
Sangean 803a)
and it was darn good for picking up SW and MW , with a long wire attached.
The best portable I had with just the whip was the Grundig YB 305.
Interesting to hear other opnions.





Telamon September 5th 04 08:38 PM

In article ,
(Diverd4777) wrote:

In article ,
ospam (Michael Bryant) writes:


Both of my Degens (1102 & 1103) seem far more sensitive than the
7600G does even when it's hooked to an AN-LP1. Both the Degens are
about equally sensitive, though the better filter, selectivity and
the knob make the 1103 preferable.

Kudos to the Chinese.


MWB, When you get the time, could you run a little comparison test
between all 3; and post the results


Soon as he has read enough of other peoples reviews on the web he will
get back to you.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Stereophile22 September 5th 04 11:26 PM

Even Picks up Radio waves from Outer space;

what planet have you been listening to? ;)

Eavesdropping on Uncle Martin again? ;)

Selectivity is really the way to go IMHO


I've heard that depends on where you live. Whether you live in a rural area or
urban area determines whether sensitivity or selectivity is the way to go.



Dale Parfitt September 6th 04 12:02 AM


"Stereophile22" wrote in message
...
Even Picks up Radio waves from Outer space;


what planet have you been listening to? ;)

Eavesdropping on Uncle Martin again? ;)

Selectivity is really the way to go IMHO


I've heard that depends on where you live. Whether you live in a rural

area or
urban area determines whether sensitivity or selectivity is the way to go.

We're talking about MW and SW here- don't think the BBC at S9+40 knows if

you live in a city or country setting. If you don't have decent dynamic
range and selectivity- preferably a host of filters and PBT, you're not
going to catch many weak ones.

Dale W4OP



Michael Bryant September 6th 04 01:42 AM

From: "Dale Parfitt"

We're talking about MW and SW here- don't think the BBC at S9+40 knows if
you live in a city or country setting. If you don't have decent dynamic
range and selectivity- preferably a host of filters and PBT, you're not
going to catch many weak ones.


The only portable I've seen that was exceptionally adept at pulling out rare
Indonesian and Latin American DX was the Sony 2010 connected to well-grounded
external antenna.


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A,
Degen 1102, Degen 1103, GE SRll,
Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
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Telamon September 6th 04 01:46 AM

In article ,
ospam (Michael Bryant) wrote:

From: "Dale Parfitt"


We're talking about MW and SW here- don't think the BBC at S9+40 knows if
you live in a city or country setting. If you don't have decent dynamic
range and selectivity- preferably a host of filters and PBT, you're not
going to catch many weak ones.


The only portable I've seen that was exceptionally adept at pulling out rare
Indonesian and Latin American DX was the Sony 2010 connected to well-grounded
external antenna.


Yeah you probably "saw" that on the Internet somewhere but we only care
if you "heard" it yourself.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Diverd4777 September 6th 04 02:29 AM

In article ,
(Stereophile22) writes:

Subject: Most sensitive portable poll
From:
(Stereophile22)
Date: 05 Sep 2004 22:26:27 GMT

Even Picks up Radio waves from Outer space;


what planet have you been listening to? ;)


- Dunno, its not English ( Just the background Hiss of Stars, etc... )


Selectivity is really the way to go IMHO


I've heard that depends on where you live. Whether you live in a rural area
or
urban area determines whether sensitivity or selectivity is the way to go.


- City boy here...



Stereophile22 September 6th 04 03:09 AM

- City boy here...

definitely selectivity then. And judging from the other posters here, despite
what I thought earlier, it seems that selctivity is the way for me to go also
in regards to the shortwave bands.

My area is defined as "semi-rural".

which I guess means that it hard to define whether a radio with better
selectivity or better sensitivity is better for me in regards to normal AM and
FM broacast listening and scanner listening.



starman September 6th 04 07:02 AM

Stereophile22 wrote:

- City boy here...


definitely selectivity then. And judging from the other posters here, despite
what I thought earlier, it seems that selctivity is the way for me to go also
in regards to the shortwave bands.

My area is defined as "semi-rural".

which I guess means that it hard to define whether a radio with better
selectivity or better sensitivity is better for me in regards to normal AM and
FM broacast listening and scanner listening.


Almost any modern receiver will have acceptable sensitivity, so that's
not really an issue unless you are trying to hear very weak stations. In
that case, the first requirement is double conversion to eliminate or
greatly reduce images. Otherwise you will be hearing all kinds of junk
where it doesn't belong on the bands you want to hear. Second comes
selectivity. This allows you to hear a weak station next to a strong
one.
If you intend to use a good external antenna, another requirement is
good dynamic range to reduce spurious signals from strong stations.
These are similar to images but they're caused by a different process.
Dynamic range is hard to get in a portable because it requires a more
sophisticated design, which costs more. Finally, consider a receiver
with a sync' detector like the 7600GR and others. Sync' can really help
to make the audio more listenable with less distortion.


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RHF September 6th 04 11:53 AM

= = = (Stereophile22) wrote in message
= = = ...

- City boy here...


definitely selectivity then. And judging from the other posters here, despite
what I thought earlier, it seems that selctivity is the way for me to go also
in regards to the shortwave bands.

My area is defined as "semi-rural".

which I guess means that it hard to define whether a radio with better
selectivity or better sensitivity is better for me in regards to normal AM and
FM broacast listening and scanner listening.


SP22,

For normal AM and FM Band listening from a semi-rural area:

If you are not within 35 miles of a AM or FM Radio Transmitter
site; then consider the Grundig S350 / Tecsun BCL-2000.
This is a so called "super Radio":
+ Very Good AM/MW Sensitivity
+ Wide & Narrow IF Filters
+ RG Gain Control
+ External AM/MW/SW Antenna 500 Ohm Inputs
+ External FM Antenna 72 Ohm Input
+ Digital Frequency Display
+ Very Good FM Sound Quality
+ Very Long Battery Life
+ Moderate Size
$ = Low Price ~ $100
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grundig-S350/

For the Shortwave Bands plus AM and FM, consider the
+ Sony ICF-SW7600GR (AM-SYNC)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/7600GR/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/7600group/
+ Sangean ATS-909/RadioShack DX-398 (SSB).
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DX398/
+ Grundig Yacht Boy 400 PE (SSB)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grundig-Yacht-Boy-Radios/
$ = All Priced below $200

A third option for the Shortwave Bands plus AM and FM is the
Grundig Satellit 800 M which is really a table-top radio with
a handle and batteries. ( How Do You Spell: H E A V Y )
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Satellit800/
$ = Price about $400-$500

Also consider some of the Radios listed in the
"Modern Shortwave Receiver Survey" at DXing.Com.
http://www.dxing.com/rx/rxindex.htm
- Panasonics: RF-2200 / RF-2900 / RF-2600
- Sony ICF-2010
- Grundig Satellit 500 / 700
- Magnavox D2999


jm2cw ~ RHF

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RHF September 6th 04 03:41 PM

FO&A,

1. And the Answer is to Read: Russ's AM/MW Portable Radio Olympics
GoTo= http://www.radiointel.com/review-mwolympics.htm
- The Competitors (22)
- The Results
- Conclusions
- The Winners Are . . .
- by Russ, K3PI
- RadioIntel.Com

2. Here is another "Yard Stick" of Best DX Radios:
GoTo= http://www.dxtools.com/BestDXrx.htm
- Best Desk Top Receivers for MW DX (14)
- Best Portable Radios for MW DX (14)
- by Gerry Thomas, KB4JFM
- RadiosPlus+ at DXTools.Com

fyi ~ RHF
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= = = "David" wrote in message
= = = news:Mgp_c.1062$sS4.830@trndny03...

What is the most overall sensitive portable (under $200) for receiving
SW/MW/FM signals? From reading reviews the Degen 1102 and 1103 seem up
there, along with the Sony 7600GR. I use to own the Radio Shack DX-440 (aka
Sangean 803a)
and it was darn good for picking up SW and MW , with a long wire attached.
The best portable I had with just the whip was the Grundig YB 305.
Interesting to hear other opnions.

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