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Thomas Jefferson's Opinion of George Bush and Company
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 20:52:29 GMT, David wrote:
You suck Dave. |
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David wrote: Published on Friday, June 18, 2004 by CommonDreams.org Scrooge & Marley, Inc. -- The True Conservative Agenda by Thom Hartmann Snip What a bunch of communist claptrap. Things are much better in Vietnam since the communists took over, just ask Kerry. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Telamon wrote:
In article , David wrote: Published on Friday, June 18, 2004 by CommonDreams.org Scrooge & Marley, Inc. -- The True Conservative Agenda by Thom Hartmann Snip What a bunch of communist claptrap. Things are much better in Vietnam since the communists took over, just ask Kerry. When did you first start hating Jefferson? Seems to me that *real* Americans would admire him. Will you be burning Franklin's books next week? A tv reporter read the US Constitution to random people in the streets a few years back. Most of them thought it was subversive crap. Your education system seems to be in a shambles. Not knowing your own history is unforgiveable. mike |
"m II" wrote:
(snip) A tv reporter read the US Constitution to random people in the streets a few years back. Most of them thought it was subversive crap. Your education system seems to be in a shambles. Not knowing your own history is unforgiveable. Want another one, Mike? My wife, a high school teacher, seeing something similar on television, read portions of the Constitution to some senior class students a few years ago. Eighteen of those seniors could not give the general period it was written, with eight out of the forty seniors answering it was written in the late 1960's. Those darn hippies. The results of the questions relating to the content was even more depressing. By the way, in spite of the abundance of press to the contrary, the teachers are not at fault here. They're locked into a curriculum set by the school boards and others - a curriculum which simply doesn't include much U.S. History today. In fact, much of the core material is getting short-changed today to make room for other, highly questionable in my opinion, stuff. Stewart |
m II wrote: Telamon wrote: In article , David wrote: Published on Friday, June 18, 2004 by CommonDreams.org Scrooge & Marley, Inc. -- The True Conservative Agenda by Thom Hartmann Snip What a bunch of communist claptrap. Things are much better in Vietnam since the communists took over, just ask Kerry. When did you first start hating Jefferson? Seems to me that *real* Americans would admire him. Will you be burning Franklin's books next week? A tv reporter read the US Constitution to random people in the streets a few years back. Most of them thought it was subversive crap. Your education system seems to be in a shambles. Not knowing your own history is unforgiveable. You not knowing that your head is up your ass is unforgivable too. dxAce |
The last thing the corporations want is for the population to know
what the founding principles of this country are. This country was started to provide a place where government and commerce served the people. Not the other way around. http://www.thomhartmann.com On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 10:46:12 GMT, "Dwight Stewart" wrote: "m II" wrote: (snip) A tv reporter read the US Constitution to random people in the streets a few years back. Most of them thought it was subversive crap. Your education system seems to be in a shambles. Not knowing your own history is unforgiveable. Want another one, Mike? My wife, a high school teacher, seeing something similar on television, read portions of the Constitution to some senior class students a few years ago. Eighteen of those seniors could not give the general period it was written, with eight out of the forty seniors answering it was written in the late 1960's. Those darn hippies. The results of the questions relating to the content was even more depressing. By the way, in spite of the abundance of press to the contrary, the teachers are not at fault here. They're locked into a curriculum set by the school boards and others - a curriculum which simply doesn't include much U.S. History today. In fact, much of the core material is getting short-changed today to make room for other, highly questionable in my opinion, stuff. Stewart |
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Stewart" writes: Subject: Thomas Jefferson's Opinion of George Bush and Company From: "Dwight Stewart" - I believe most people hav stopped reading; newspapers included and get most " Facts" from TV.. Here is one of many free substitutes... http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&gl=us http://www.counterbias.com/109.html "Is it not absurd that the degree of John Kerry's bravery in Vietnam should be a subject of debate, while during that war his opponent courageously volunteered to defend Texas against a sneak attack from Oklahoma?" |
dxAce wrote:
A tv reporter read the US Constitution to random people in the streets a few years back. Most of them thought it was subversive crap. Your education system seems to be in a shambles. Not knowing your own history is unforgiveable. You not knowing that your head is up your ass is unforgivable too. So...tell me again...just exactly how long has it been since that horse kicked you in the head? How did you explain the pants around your ankles when the medics revived you? mike |
m II wrote: dxAce wrote: A tv reporter read the US Constitution to random people in the streets a few years back. Most of them thought it was subversive crap. Your education system seems to be in a shambles. Not knowing your own history is unforgiveable. You not knowing that your head is up your ass is unforgivable too. So...tell me again...just exactly how long has it been since that horse kicked you in the head? How did you explain the pants around your ankles when the medics revived you? Never been kicked in the head, by a horse, or anything else. Meanwhile, your head is still up your ass. How do you explain it? dxAce |
dxAce wrote:
m II wrote: Telamon wrote: In article , David wrote: Published on Friday, June 18, 2004 by CommonDreams.org Scrooge & Marley, Inc. -- The True Conservative Agenda by Thom Hartmann Snip What a bunch of communist claptrap. Things are much better in Vietnam since the communists took over, just ask Kerry. When did you first start hating Jefferson? Seems to me that *real* Americans would admire him. Will you be burning Franklin's books next week? A tv reporter read the US Constitution to random people in the streets a few years back. Most of them thought it was subversive crap. Your education system seems to be in a shambles. Not knowing your own history is unforgiveable. You not knowing that your head is up your ass is unforgivable too. dxAce Please have a someone read and explain this to you. In between regularly recurring bouts of the DTs, visit the page this comes from. You subversives HATE the Constitution and want to see it overthrown. ========================================= Philadelphia, 1787, Constitutional Convention. The Framers wanted America to last forever. "We, the People . . . establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity . . ." So they wove two vital protections into our Constitution, two bedrock principles of long-term national self-preservation: Separation of powers. Separation of church and state. Why those two principles? Because of what history teaches. When wealth and power concentrate into the hands of a ruling few, when corporations take control, or when religion takes control, the government goes berserk and inflicts harm on its own nation and citizens. And often on other countries and their people. Causing the nation's justice, national ability of citizens to cooperate, security, general welfare, and liberty to suffer. They knew about the ravages of the Crusades, Inquisition, Anglo-European monarchies, 18th-century Corporate England. They knew why those ravages happened: concentrated wealth and power went dangerously crazy. They didn't want that fate to befall America. They wove those two principles into our Constitution in an attempt to prevent wealth and power from ever hurting citizens like this: The reverse-Robin-Hooding of America. To prevent Presidents and Congresses and federal courts from serving God in a gruesome way and expensive way like this: A peek into the soul of the Christian Right, $150 billion a year, $3 trillion so far, all toward achieving the Christian-Right 'Rapture' of ending the world. To prevent America from terrifying the world with space weapons like this: 007's Spectre grows real, right under our noses. http://www.seattleairgear.com/civics.htm#civics44 =========================================== mike |
"dxAce" wrote in message Meanwhile, your head is still up your ass. How do you explain it? dxAce He's checking for Gerbils. LOL!!! B.H. |
m II wrote: dxAce wrote: m II wrote: Telamon wrote: In article , David wrote: Published on Friday, June 18, 2004 by CommonDreams.org Scrooge & Marley, Inc. -- The True Conservative Agenda by Thom Hartmann Snip What a bunch of communist claptrap. Things are much better in Vietnam since the communists took over, just ask Kerry. When did you first start hating Jefferson? Seems to me that *real* Americans would admire him. Will you be burning Franklin's books next week? A tv reporter read the US Constitution to random people in the streets a few years back. Most of them thought it was subversive crap. Your education system seems to be in a shambles. Not knowing your own history is unforgiveable. You not knowing that your head is up your ass is unforgivable too. dxAce Please have a someone read and explain this to you. In between regularly recurring bouts of the DTs, visit the page this comes from. You subversives HATE the Constitution and want to see it overthrown. Once again... you are incorrect. You keep on trying though, someday, maybe, you might just get it right. I'm not holding my breath. ========================================= Philadelphia, 1787, Constitutional Convention. The Framers wanted America to last forever. "We, the People . . . establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity . . ." So they wove two vital protections into our Constitution, two bedrock principles of long-term national self-preservation: Separation of powers. Separation of church and state. Why those two principles? Because of what history teaches. When wealth and power concentrate into the hands of a ruling few, when corporations take control, or when religion takes control, the government goes berserk and inflicts harm on its own nation and citizens. And often on other countries and their people. Causing the nation's justice, national ability of citizens to cooperate, security, general welfare, and liberty to suffer. They knew about the ravages of the Crusades, Inquisition, Anglo-European monarchies, 18th-century Corporate England. They knew why those ravages happened: concentrated wealth and power went dangerously crazy. They didn't want that fate to befall America. They wove those two principles into our Constitution in an attempt to prevent wealth and power from ever hurting citizens like this: The reverse-Robin-Hooding of America. To prevent Presidents and Congresses and federal courts from serving God in a gruesome way and expensive way like this: A peek into the soul of the Christian Right, $150 billion a year, $3 trillion so far, all toward achieving the Christian-Right 'Rapture' of ending the world. To prevent America from terrifying the world with space weapons like this: 007's Spectre grows real, right under our noses. http://www.seattleairgear.com/civics.htm#civics44 =========================================== mike |
Brian Hill wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message Meanwhile, your head is still up your ass. How do you explain it? dxAce He's checking for Gerbils. LOL!!! Does your mother know what you do with her computer? http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/IMG_0198.jpg mike |
m II wrote: Brian Hill wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message Meanwhile, your head is still up your ass. How do you explain it? dxAce He's checking for Gerbils. LOL!!! Does your mother know what you do with her computer? Does your father know what you're doing with his, 'tard? dxAce |
dxAce wrote:
Does your father know what you're doing with his, 'tard? I don't have a father. My mother was raped in Seattle by a drunken off duty sailor. She barely survived the beating. I was born roughly eight months later. He was a Republican, so obviously, no charges were ever laid. He is now rumoured to be a derelict living somewhere in the Michigan area. A local psychic tells me there a lot of Tulips associated with this neocon rapist. My search continues.. mike |
Brian Hill wrote:
Hi I'm Brian's Mother. I'm sorry he has offended you. I've revoked his computer privleges for a term of 1 min. He says your a pinko commie from Canada and that's the reason for his behavior. Is this true? Mrs.Hill Thank God for parental supervision! I can't tell you how I appreciate seeing an adult's supervision of their offspring's internet activities. Now, to the nitty gritty. Please accept this as an attempt to correct the lifestyle path that little Brian has chosen for himself and NOT as a critique of your parenting skills. The little asshole made his own evil choices, not you. I detect an attitude in little Brian that can be explained only by rampant drug abuse or a brain that has been thoroughly ravaged by untreated Syphilis. Have you seen any signs of this unGodly behavior at home? Are there people constantly visiting under the guise of socializing? Is there an apparent overindulgence with loud music? Do things that, from the outside, appear to be 'guitar cases'? These are all too common traits of a youth hurtling down a very dangerous and destructive path. Your son needs help NOW! Thanks to our correct thinking Leader, there is a GW Bush Detoxification Camp near you. Surely the offspring of your own flesh and blood is worth the very modest six thousand(US$) a month. They also offer an added 'No release until YOU say so' program for those slightly more difficult problem children. It may well be to your benefit to avail yourself this option. An individualized identification number will be issued each participant at the time of entry and neatly embossed in the epidermis of the upper arm with the finest quality imported ink. Thank you for your prompt reply. With respect, mike |
Brian Hill's poor Mother wrote:
Hi I'm Brian's Mother. I'm sorry he has offended you. I've revoked his computer privleges for a term of 1 min. He says your a pinko commie from Canada and that's the reason for his behavior. Is this true? Mrs.Hill Thank God for parental supervision! I can't tell you how I appreciate seeing an adult's supervision of their offspring's internet activities. Now, to the nitty gritty. Please accept this as an attempt to correct the lifestyle path that little Brian has chosen for himself and NOT as a critique of your parenting skills. The little asshole made his own evil choices, not you. I detect an attitude in little Brian that can be explained only by rampant drug abuse or a brain that has been thoroughly ravaged by untreated Syphilis. Have you seen any signs of this unGodly behavior at home? Are there people constantly visiting under the guise of socializing? Is there an apparent overindulgence with loud music? Do things that, from the outside, appear to be 'guitar cases' get carried in and out of the house? These are all too common traits of a youth hurtling down a very dangerous and destructive path. Your son needs help NOW! Thanks to our correct thinking Leader, there is a GW Bush Detoxification Camp near you. Surely the offspring of your own flesh and blood is worth the very modest six thousand(US$) a month. They also offer an added 'No release until YOU say so' program for those slightly more difficult problem children. It may well be to your benefit to avail yourself this option. An individualized identification number will be issued each participant at the time of entry and neatly embossed in the epidermis of the upper arm with the finest quality imported ink. Thank you for your prompt reply. With respect, mike |
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m II wrote: Telamon wrote: In article , David wrote: Published on Friday, June 18, 2004 by CommonDreams.org Scrooge & Marley, Inc. -- The True Conservative Agenda by Thom Hartmann Snip What a bunch of communist claptrap. Things are much better in Vietnam since the communists took over, just ask Kerry. When did you first start hating Jefferson? Seems to me that *real* Americans would admire him. Will you be burning Franklin's books next week? Real Americans including you do admire Franklin. I will not be burning any of Franklin's books but I will continue to pay no mind to the obviously false way his words and intent are twisted by outright communists. Extreme liberals are in the same camp as the communist revolutionaries that misconstrue the motives of true conservatives today. This is just 1984 doublespeak in full relief. A tv reporter read the US Constitution to random people in the streets a few years back. Most of them thought it was subversive crap. Your education system seems to be in a shambles. Not knowing your own history is unforgiveable. Yeah that must have been in Massachusetts. They have a popular voting problem there of supporting todays version of liberalism, which is actually a form of repressive government just a step away from outright communism. You do not have to take my word for any of this as examples of what conservatives support abound in this nations history. Where conservatism has had the chance to prevail people lives have improved here and abroad. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 03:16 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon
posted: %MM In article , David wrote: Published on Friday, June 18, 2004 by CommonDreams.org Scrooge & Marley, Inc. -- The True Conservative Agenda by Thom Hartmann Snip What a bunch of communist claptrap. Things are much better in Vietnam since the communists took over, just ask Kerry. Wrong current enemy. The 5 minutes hate is supposed to directed at Islamic terrorists, France (or maybe they are okay again), snivelling liberal wieners. And have you been to Viet Nam recently? It is not fully recovered from the war, but it and its people are doing well. Beautiful country. |
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uncle arnie wrote: On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 03:16 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon posted: %MM In article , David wrote: Published on Friday, June 18, 2004 by CommonDreams.org Scrooge & Marley, Inc. -- The True Conservative Agenda by Thom Hartmann Snip What a bunch of communist claptrap. Things are much better in Vietnam since the communists took over, just ask Kerry. Wrong current enemy. The 5 minutes hate is supposed to directed at Islamic terrorists, France (or maybe they are okay again), snivelling liberal wieners. They are the enemy within. And have you been to Viet Nam recently? It is not fully recovered from the war, but it and its people are doing well. Beautiful country. I have never been to Vietnam. Maybe some are doing well economically since we started trading with them but they do not enjoy the freedoms we have. I know people that still have relatives in Vietnam and they are not doing well. Many here in the US send money back to their families that only want to leave that country. It's a real shame we failed them and Kerry is one of the reasons we failed. That ******* Kerry also managed to block a bill that tied trade with Vietnam to a reduction in human right abuses. That SOB continues to be on the wrong side of an issue. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
= = = David wrote in message
= = = . .. The last thing the corporations want is for the population to know what the founding principles of this country are. This country was started to provide a place where government and commerce served the people. Not the other way around. DAVID- You have it slighly distorted: This country was started to provide a place where government served the people. (For the People, By the People, Of the People) This country was started to provide a place where the people could participate in commerce freely. (Without unnecessary or excessive government interference; be it regulation or taxes.) ~ RHF .. .. |
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 02:09 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon
posted: %MM In article , uncle arnie wrote: On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 03:16 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon posted: %MM In article , David wrote: Published on Friday, June 18, 2004 by CommonDreams.org Scrooge & Marley, Inc. -- The True Conservative Agenda by Thom Hartmann Snip What a bunch of communist claptrap. Things are much better in Vietnam since the communists took over, just ask Kerry. Wrong current enemy. The 5 minutes hate is supposed to directed at Islamic terrorists, France (or maybe they are okay again), snivelling liberal wieners. They are the enemy within. And have you been to Viet Nam recently? It is not fully recovered from the war, but it and its people are doing well. Beautiful country. I have never been to Vietnam. Maybe some are doing well economically since we started trading with them but they do not enjoy the freedoms we have. I know people that still have relatives in Vietnam and they are not doing well. Many here in the US send money back to their families that only want to leave that country. It's a real shame we failed them and Kerry is one of the reasons we failed. That ******* Kerry also managed to block a bill that tied trade with Vietnam to a reduction in human right abuses. That SOB continues to be on the wrong side of an issue. Makes perfect sense that trade with the Saudis has never been tied to human rights abuses. Too bad another 2.5 million of those danged Vietnamese couldn't have been killed. Clean the place up properly. Then they wouldn't be whining about Starbucks, Folger's, Nabob and the like for persuading them to grow coffee instead of food and then driving the price down below production costs. And anyone could see that it's better to grow the rice in Texas and ship it back to them at profit. Get the farmers to move to the cities, working in factories at 70 cents per day making shoes for export. Their daughters can entertain the tourists. Good thing that in 1945-46 the US rejected the proposed Vietnamese constitution (taken almost word for work from the American constitution), recalled their advisors, and told the French to come back in. They could see that the Vietnamese were going to become commies anyway and were too stupid to run their own country. And look how those ungrateful French turned out. Jeez, those winos are nearly commies today. |
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uncle arnie wrote: On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 02:09 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon posted: %MM In article , uncle arnie wrote: On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 03:16 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon posted: %MM In article , David wrote: Published on Friday, June 18, 2004 by CommonDreams.org Scrooge & Marley, Inc. -- The True Conservative Agenda by Thom Hartmann Snip What a bunch of communist claptrap. Things are much better in Vietnam since the communists took over, just ask Kerry. Wrong current enemy. The 5 minutes hate is supposed to directed at Islamic terrorists, France (or maybe they are okay again), snivelling liberal wieners. They are the enemy within. And have you been to Viet Nam recently? It is not fully recovered from the war, but it and its people are doing well. Beautiful country. I have never been to Vietnam. Maybe some are doing well economically since we started trading with them but they do not enjoy the freedoms we have. I know people that still have relatives in Vietnam and they are not doing well. Many here in the US send money back to their families that only want to leave that country. It's a real shame we failed them and Kerry is one of the reasons we failed. That ******* Kerry also managed to block a bill that tied trade with Vietnam to a reduction in human right abuses. That SOB continues to be on the wrong side of an issue. Makes perfect sense that trade with the Saudis has never been tied to human rights abuses. Too bad another 2.5 million of those danged Vietnamese couldn't have been killed. Clean the place up properly. Then they wouldn't be whining about Starbucks, Folger's, Nabob and the like for persuading them to grow coffee instead of food and then driving the price down below production costs. And anyone could see that it's better to grow the rice in Texas and ship it back to them at profit. Get the farmers to move to the cities, working in factories at 70 cents per day making shoes for export. Their daughters can entertain the tourists. What only kind of deal do you the communist bosses make are one that benefits the party not the people. Thanks for making my point. Good thing that in 1945-46 the US rejected the proposed Vietnamese constitution (taken almost word for work from the American constitution), recalled their advisors, and told the French to come back in. They could see that the Vietnamese were going to become commies anyway and were too stupid to run their own country. And look how those ungrateful French turned out. Jeez, those winos are nearly commies today. I wouldn't know about that. The US position was that they could not support themselves against communist aggression. Looks like we were right. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"m II" wrote in message news:ZkI_c.67333$S55.61932@clgrps12... Brian Hill wrote: Hi I'm Brian's Mother. I'm sorry he has offended you. I've revoked his computer privleges for a term of 1 min. He says your a pinko commie from Canada and that's the reason for his behavior. Is this true? Mrs.Hill Thank God for parental supervision! I can't tell you how I appreciate seeing an adult's supervision of their offspring's internet activities. Now, to the nitty gritty. Please accept this as an attempt to correct the lifestyle path that little Brian has chosen for himself and NOT as a critique of your parenting skills. The little asshole made his own evil choices, not you. I detect an attitude in little Brian that can be explained only by rampant drug abuse or a brain that has been thoroughly ravaged by untreated Syphilis. Have you seen any signs of this unGodly behavior at home? Are there people constantly visiting under the guise of socializing? Is there an apparent overindulgence with loud music? Do things that, from the outside, appear to be 'guitar cases'? These are all too common traits of a youth hurtling down a very dangerous and destructive path. Your son needs help NOW! Thanks to our correct thinking Leader, there is a GW Bush Detoxification Camp near you. Surely the offspring of your own flesh and blood is worth the very modest six thousand(US$) a month. They also offer an added 'No release until YOU say so' program for those slightly more difficult problem children. It may well be to your benefit to avail yourself this option. An individualized identification number will be issued each participant at the time of entry and neatly embossed in the epidermis of the upper arm with the finest quality imported ink. Thank you for your prompt reply. With respect, mike ****! Mike. You made Mom cry telling her all that stuff. Now shes on a plane for Canada. She said at the top of her lungs- Quote: "I"M GONNA WASH THAT LITTLE LONG WINDED COMMIES MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP". And it's that nasty Lava soap too. If I were a little commie like you I'd high tail it. Good luck! B.H. |
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 03:35 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon
posted: %MM In article , uncle arnie wrote: On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 02:09 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon posted: %MM In article , uncle arnie wrote: On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 03:16 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon posted: %MM In article , David wrote: Published on Friday, June 18, 2004 by CommonDreams.org Scrooge & Marley, Inc. -- The True Conservative Agenda by Thom Hartmann Snip What a bunch of communist claptrap. Things are much better in Vietnam since the communists took over, just ask Kerry. Wrong current enemy. The 5 minutes hate is supposed to directed at Islamic terrorists, France (or maybe they are okay again), snivelling liberal wieners. They are the enemy within. And have you been to Viet Nam recently? It is not fully recovered from the war, but it and its people are doing well. Beautiful country. I have never been to Vietnam. Maybe some are doing well economically since we started trading with them but they do not enjoy the freedoms we have. I know people that still have relatives in Vietnam and they are not doing well. Many here in the US send money back to their families that only want to leave that country. It's a real shame we failed them and Kerry is one of the reasons we failed. That ******* Kerry also managed to block a bill that tied trade with Vietnam to a reduction in human right abuses. That SOB continues to be on the wrong side of an issue. Makes perfect sense that trade with the Saudis has never been tied to human rights abuses. Too bad another 2.5 million of those danged Vietnamese couldn't have been killed. Clean the place up properly. Then they wouldn't be whining about Starbucks, Folger's, Nabob and the like for persuading them to grow coffee instead of food and then driving the price down below production costs. And anyone could see that it's better to grow the rice in Texas and ship it back to them at profit. Get the farmers to move to the cities, working in factories at 70 cents per day making shoes for export. Their daughters can entertain the tourists. What only kind of deal do you the communist bosses make are one that benefits the party not the people. Thanks for making my point. Same deal made with coffee farmers all over the world. The US doesn't really care about anything except the corporate bottom line and the balance of trade. Good thing that in 1945-46 the US rejected the proposed Vietnamese constitution (taken almost word for work from the American constitution), recalled their advisors, and told the French to come back in. They could see that the Vietnamese were going to become commies anyway and were too stupid to run their own country. And look how those ungrateful French turned out. Jeez, those winos are nearly commies today. I wouldn't know about that. You should! It's the basis for the 20th century history of the region. The US position was that they could not support themselves against communist aggression. Looks like we were right. No that's not right: the US supported the French against the fledgeling democratic movement, having previously promised the Vietnamese self gov't for help against the Japanese and then reneged. (The British reneged similarly in India.) Drove them into the arms of the communists,who also lied to them. I suppose the Vietnamese could have simply gone along with having their country given back to the French. The excuse about not being about to resist communist agression was concocted later, post hoc. In 1945, The Chinese were not communist yet, that occurred in 1949, Russia was in no condition to do anything and had no agents or advisors in the country. It was up to the US, which could have rejected the French recolonization of Vietnam and supported the democracy. But they wanted to restore their trade with them in Europe. Trade = money, and that's more important than any ideology or rights. And it continued merrily along. How about Chile and Guatemala? |
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:11:23 -0600, uncle arnie
wrote: On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 03:35 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon posted: %MM No that's not right: the US supported the French against the fledgeling democratic movement, having previously promised the Vietnamese self gov't for help against the Japanese and then reneged. (The British reneged similarly in India.) Drove them into the arms of the communists,who also lied to them. I suppose the Vietnamese could have simply gone along with having their country given back to the French. The excuse about not being about to resist communist agression was concocted later, post hoc. In 1945, The Chinese were not communist yet, that occurred in 1949, Russia was in no condition to do anything and had no agents or advisors in the country. It was up to the US, which could have rejected the French recolonization of Vietnam and supported the democracy. But they wanted to restore their trade with them in Europe. Trade = money, and that's more important than any ideology or rights. And it continued merrily along. How about Chile and Guatemala? Uncle - can you please keep the topic on shortwave. |
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uncle arnie wrote: On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 03:35 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon posted: %MM In article , uncle arnie wrote: On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 02:09 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon posted: %MM In article , uncle arnie wrote: On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 03:16 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon posted: %MM In article , David wrote: Published on Friday, June 18, 2004 by CommonDreams.org Scrooge & Marley, Inc. -- The True Conservative Agenda by Thom Hartmann Snip What a bunch of communist claptrap. Things are much better in Vietnam since the communists took over, just ask Kerry. Wrong current enemy. The 5 minutes hate is supposed to directed at Islamic terrorists, France (or maybe they are okay again), snivelling liberal wieners. They are the enemy within. And have you been to Viet Nam recently? It is not fully recovered from the war, but it and its people are doing well. Beautiful country. I have never been to Vietnam. Maybe some are doing well economically since we started trading with them but they do not enjoy the freedoms we have. I know people that still have relatives in Vietnam and they are not doing well. Many here in the US send money back to their families that only want to leave that country. It's a real shame we failed them and Kerry is one of the reasons we failed. That ******* Kerry also managed to block a bill that tied trade with Vietnam to a reduction in human right abuses. That SOB continues to be on the wrong side of an issue. Makes perfect sense that trade with the Saudis has never been tied to human rights abuses. Too bad another 2.5 million of those danged Vietnamese couldn't have been killed. Clean the place up properly. Then they wouldn't be whining about Starbucks, Folger's, Nabob and the like for persuading them to grow coffee instead of food and then driving the price down below production costs. And anyone could see that it's better to grow the rice in Texas and ship it back to them at profit. Get the farmers to move to the cities, working in factories at 70 cents per day making shoes for export. Their daughters can entertain the tourists. What only kind of deal do you the communist bosses make are one that benefits the party not the people. Thanks for making my point. Same deal made with coffee farmers all over the world. The US doesn't really care about anything except the corporate bottom line and the balance of trade. We are not supposed to care. It's called free trade. If the foreign governments don't have the best interests of their people in mind what are we supposed to do about it other than pass a bill to protect those people by limiting trade unless human rights conditions improve in those countries. You know a bill like the one Kerry spiked. Otherwise armed intervention is the only other option. Good thing that in 1945-46 the US rejected the proposed Vietnamese constitution (taken almost word for work from the American constitution), recalled their advisors, and told the French to come back in. They could see that the Vietnamese were going to become commies anyway and were too stupid to run their own country. And look how those ungrateful French turned out. Jeez, those winos are nearly commies today. I wouldn't know about that. You should! It's the basis for the 20th century history of the region. The US position was that they could not support themselves against communist aggression. Looks like we were right. No that's not right: the US supported the French against the fledgeling democratic movement, having previously promised the Vietnamese self gov't for help against the Japanese and then reneged. (The British reneged similarly in India.) Drove them into the arms of the communists,who also lied to them. I suppose the Vietnamese could have simply gone along with having their country given back to the French. The excuse about not being about to resist communist agression was concocted later, post hoc. In 1945, The Chinese were not communist yet, that occurred in 1949, Russia was in no condition to do anything and had no agents or advisors in the country. It was up to the US, which could have rejected the French recolonization of Vietnam and supported the democracy. But they wanted to restore their trade with them in Europe. Trade = money, and that's more important than any ideology or rights. And it continued merrily along. How about Chile and Guatemala? You have the wrong take on this. The idea was to build up a modern country and economy in the backward parts of the world. They were supposed to become self sufficient thru trade. It is not this countries policy to support colonization anymore. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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Kameron Spesial wrote: On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:11:23 -0600, uncle arnie wrote: On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 03:35 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon posted: %MM No that's not right: the US supported the French against the fledgeling democratic movement, having previously promised the Vietnamese self gov't for help against the Japanese and then reneged. (The British reneged similarly in India.) Drove them into the arms of the communists,who also lied to them. I suppose the Vietnamese could have simply gone along with having their country given back to the French. The excuse about not being about to resist communist agression was concocted later, post hoc. In 1945, The Chinese were not communist yet, that occurred in 1949, Russia was in no condition to do anything and had no agents or advisors in the country. It was up to the US, which could have rejected the French recolonization of Vietnam and supported the democracy. But they wanted to restore their trade with them in Europe. Trade = money, and that's more important than any ideology or rights. And it continued merrily along. How about Chile and Guatemala? Uncle - can you please keep the topic on shortwave. Guatemala I have not heard. Chile "Voz Cristiana" normally puts in a good signal here. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Brian Hill wrote:
****! Mike. You made Mom cry telling her all that stuff. Now shes on a plane for Canada. She said at the top of her lungs- Quote: "I"M GONNA WASH THAT LITTLE LONG WINDED COMMIES MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP". And it's that nasty Lava soap too. If I were a little commie like you I'd high tail it. Good luck! Is she foxy? I *NEED* a good talking to. mike |
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 04:35 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon
posted: %MM In article , uncle arnie wrote: On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 03:35 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon posted: %MM In article , uncle arnie wrote: On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 02:09 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon posted: %MM In article , uncle arnie wrote: On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 03:16 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon posted: %MM In article , David wrote: Published on Friday, June 18, 2004 by CommonDreams.org Scrooge & Marley, Inc. -- The True Conservative Agenda by Thom Hartmann Snip What a bunch of communist claptrap. Things are much better in Vietnam since the communists took over, just ask Kerry. Wrong current enemy. The 5 minutes hate is supposed to directed at Islamic terrorists, France (or maybe they are okay again), snivelling liberal wieners. They are the enemy within. And have you been to Viet Nam recently? It is not fully recovered from the war, but it and its people are doing well. Beautiful country. I have never been to Vietnam. Maybe some are doing well economically since we started trading with them but they do not enjoy the freedoms we have. I know people that still have relatives in Vietnam and they are not doing well. Many here in the US send money back to their families that only want to leave that country. It's a real shame we failed them and Kerry is one of the reasons we failed. That ******* Kerry also managed to block a bill that tied trade with Vietnam to a reduction in human right abuses. That SOB continues to be on the wrong side of an issue. Makes perfect sense that trade with the Saudis has never been tied to human rights abuses. Too bad another 2.5 million of those danged Vietnamese couldn't have been killed. Clean the place up properly. Then they wouldn't be whining about Starbucks, Folger's, Nabob and the like for persuading them to grow coffee instead of food and then driving the price down below production costs. And anyone could see that it's better to grow the rice in Texas and ship it back to them at profit. Get the farmers to move to the cities, working in factories at 70 cents per day making shoes for export. Their daughters can entertain the tourists. What only kind of deal do you the communist bosses make are one that benefits the party not the people. Thanks for making my point. Same deal made with coffee farmers all over the world. The US doesn't really care about anything except the corporate bottom line and the balance of trade. We are not supposed to care. It's called free trade. If the foreign governments don't have the best interests of their people in mind what are we supposed to do about it other than pass a bill to protect those people by limiting trade unless human rights conditions improve in those countries. You know a bill like the one Kerry spiked. Otherwise armed intervention is the only other option. Good thing that in 1945-46 the US rejected the proposed Vietnamese constitution (taken almost word for work from the American constitution), recalled their advisors, and told the French to come back in. They could see that the Vietnamese were going to become commies anyway and were too stupid to run their own country. And look how those ungrateful French turned out. Jeez, those winos are nearly commies today. I wouldn't know about that. You should! It's the basis for the 20th century history of the region. The US position was that they could not support themselves against communist aggression. Looks like we were right. No that's not right: the US supported the French against the fledgeling democratic movement, having previously promised the Vietnamese self gov't for help against the Japanese and then reneged. (The British reneged similarly in India.) Drove them into the arms of the communists,who also lied to them. I suppose the Vietnamese could have simply gone along with having their country given back to the French. The excuse about not being about to resist communist agression was concocted later, post hoc. In 1945, The Chinese were not communist yet, that occurred in 1949, Russia was in no condition to do anything and had no agents or advisors in the country. It was up to the US, which could have rejected the French recolonization of Vietnam and supported the democracy. But they wanted to restore their trade with them in Europe. Trade = money, and that's more important than any ideology or rights. And it continued merrily along. How about Chile and Guatemala? You have the wrong take on this. The idea was to build up a modern country and economy in the backward parts of the world. They were supposed to become self sufficient thru trade. It is not this countries policy to support colonization anymore. Yes it is. Economic colonization. Hence corporations forcing their way in everywhere. Different methods, same outcome. Lots of money and materiel for the homeland. Self sufficiency through trade means export the countries' economic value to the controlling country. This has not worked since the post-WW2 Marshall plan. Unfortunately. The gap between "donor" and "receiving" countries continues to grow. And the best sort of gov't in the recipient country is dictatorship apparently, be it military, monarchist. But it increases the rich-poor gap in the country and eventually leads to instability and disaster. Makes the decision making easy though. I'm telling you what peoples in a series of countries feel. Until their understanding and life conditions are understood, the dangerous international situation will continue. Or we can plan some more wars. |
Telamon wrote:
That ******* Kerry also managed to block a bill that tied trade with Vietnam to a reduction in human right abuses. That SOB continues to be on the wrong side of an issue. Business over morals anyday, Eh? Having ethics cuts into the profits, so damn any and all principles to get a fatter bottom line. On the other hand, a totalitarian state provides a VERY stable work force for the foreign owned factories. Slavery will do that for you. I can see why there's increase in the so called 'Ethical Fund' sort of investment. Someone has to believe in the inherent dignity of human beings even if you don't. mike |
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 05:37 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon
posted: %MM In article , Kameron Spesial wrote: On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:11:23 -0600, uncle arnie wrote: On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 03:35 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon posted: %MM No that's not right: the US supported the French against the fledgeling democratic movement, having previously promised the Vietnamese self gov't for help against the Japanese and then reneged. (The British reneged similarly in India.) Drove them into the arms of the communists,who also lied to them. I suppose the Vietnamese could have simply gone along with having their country given back to the French. The excuse about not being about to resist communist agression was concocted later, post hoc. In 1945, The Chinese were not communist yet, that occurred in 1949, Russia was in no condition to do anything and had no agents or advisors in the country. It was up to the US, which could have rejected the French recolonization of Vietnam and supported the democracy. But they wanted to restore their trade with them in Europe. Trade = money, and that's more important than any ideology or rights. And it continued merrily along. How about Chile and Guatemala? Uncle - can you please keep the topic on shortwave. Didn't start the OT post, but will rise to the challenge when Guatemala I have not heard. Chile "Voz Cristiana" normally puts in a good signal here. They broadcast MW signals that can be heard in rural Mexico quite well, but not consistently. I've heard them from Guadalajara area and south. It is hard to differentiate those signals from other Spanish signals unless you listen for a while and hear a city name. You can hear MW Guyanese signals in English at times as well. These are available via SW but I've never heard Guyana from N. America, except on the internet. Loved them in the 1970's when they replayed old radio soaps. |
m II wrote: Telamon wrote: That ******* Kerry also managed to block a bill that tied trade with Vietnam to a reduction in human right abuses. That SOB continues to be on the wrong side of an issue. Business over morals anyday, Eh? And Kerry chose business. Having ethics cuts into the profits, so damn any and all principles to get a fatter bottom line. On the other hand, a totalitarian state provides a VERY stable work force for the foreign owned factories. Slavery will do that for you. I can see why there's increase in the so called 'Ethical Fund' sort of investment. Someone has to believe in the inherent dignity of human beings even if you don't. mike |
"m II" wrote in message news:K0P_c.67624$S55.25174@clgrps12... Brian Hill wrote: ****! Mike. You made Mom cry telling her all that stuff. Now shes on a plane for Canada. She said at the top of her lungs- Quote: "I"M GONNA WASH THAT LITTLE LONG WINDED COMMIES MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP". And it's that nasty Lava soap too. If I were a little commie like you I'd high tail it. Good luck! Is she foxy? I *NEED* a good talking to. mike She carrys a gun. Remember we're right wingers. B.H. |
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uncle arnie wrote: On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 04:35 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon posted: %MM In article , uncle arnie wrote: On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 03:35 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon posted: %MM In article , uncle arnie wrote: On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 02:09 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon posted: %MM In article , uncle arnie wrote: On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 03:16 pm -0600 UTC, Telamon posted: %MM In article , David wrote: Published on Friday, June 18, 2004 by CommonDreams.org Scrooge & Marley, Inc. -- The True Conservative Agenda by Thom Hartmann Snip What a bunch of communist claptrap. Things are much better in Vietnam since the communists took over, just ask Kerry. Wrong current enemy. The 5 minutes hate is supposed to directed at Islamic terrorists, France (or maybe they are okay again), snivelling liberal wieners. They are the enemy within. And have you been to Viet Nam recently? It is not fully recovered from the war, but it and its people are doing well. Beautiful country. I have never been to Vietnam. Maybe some are doing well economically since we started trading with them but they do not enjoy the freedoms we have. I know people that still have relatives in Vietnam and they are not doing well. Many here in the US send money back to their families that only want to leave that country. It's a real shame we failed them and Kerry is one of the reasons we failed. That ******* Kerry also managed to block a bill that tied trade with Vietnam to a reduction in human right abuses. That SOB continues to be on the wrong side of an issue. Makes perfect sense that trade with the Saudis has never been tied to human rights abuses. Too bad another 2.5 million of those danged Vietnamese couldn't have been killed. Clean the place up properly. Then they wouldn't be whining about Starbucks, Folger's, Nabob and the like for persuading them to grow coffee instead of food and then driving the price down below production costs. And anyone could see that it's better to grow the rice in Texas and ship it back to them at profit. Get the farmers to move to the cities, working in factories at 70 cents per day making shoes for export. Their daughters can entertain the tourists. What only kind of deal do you the communist bosses make are one that benefits the party not the people. Thanks for making my point. Same deal made with coffee farmers all over the world. The US doesn't really care about anything except the corporate bottom line and the balance of trade. We are not supposed to care. It's called free trade. If the foreign governments don't have the best interests of their people in mind what are we supposed to do about it other than pass a bill to protect those people by limiting trade unless human rights conditions improve in those countries. You know a bill like the one Kerry spiked. Otherwise armed intervention is the only other option. Good thing that in 1945-46 the US rejected the proposed Vietnamese constitution (taken almost word for work from the American constitution), recalled their advisors, and told the French to come back in. They could see that the Vietnamese were going to become commies anyway and were too stupid to run their own country. And look how those ungrateful French turned out. Jeez, those winos are nearly commies today. I wouldn't know about that. You should! It's the basis for the 20th century history of the region. The US position was that they could not support themselves against communist aggression. Looks like we were right. No that's not right: the US supported the French against the fledgeling democratic movement, having previously promised the Vietnamese self gov't for help against the Japanese and then reneged. (The British reneged similarly in India.) Drove them into the arms of the communists,who also lied to them. I suppose the Vietnamese could have simply gone along with having their country given back to the French. The excuse about not being about to resist communist agression was concocted later, post hoc. In 1945, The Chinese were not communist yet, that occurred in 1949, Russia was in no condition to do anything and had no agents or advisors in the country. It was up to the US, which could have rejected the French recolonization of Vietnam and supported the democracy. But they wanted to restore their trade with them in Europe. Trade = money, and that's more important than any ideology or rights. And it continued merrily along. How about Chile and Guatemala? You have the wrong take on this. The idea was to build up a modern country and economy in the backward parts of the world. They were supposed to become self sufficient thru trade. It is not this countries policy to support colonization anymore. Yes it is. Economic colonization. Hence corporations forcing their way in everywhere. Different methods, same outcome. Lots of money and materiel for the homeland. Self sufficiency through trade means export the countries' economic value to the controlling country. This has not worked since the post-WW2 Marshall plan. Unfortunately. The gap between "donor" and "receiving" countries continues to grow. And the best sort of gov't in the recipient country is dictatorship apparently, be it military, monarchist. But it increases the rich-poor gap in the country and eventually leads to instability and disaster. Makes the decision making easy though. I'm telling you what peoples in a series of countries feel. Until their understanding and life conditions are understood, the dangerous international situation will continue. Or we can plan some more wars. This is what the leaders of the free world have worked out. I sure hope you have not bought into the socialist communist dogma of the workers paradise and if not that then what is your solution? -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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m II wrote: Telamon wrote: That ******* Kerry also managed to block a bill that tied trade with Vietnam to a reduction in human right abuses. That SOB continues to be on the wrong side of an issue. Business over morals anyday, Eh? Having ethics cuts into the profits, so damn any and all principles to get a fatter bottom line. On the other hand, a totalitarian state provides a VERY stable work force for the foreign owned factories. Slavery will do that for you. I can see why there's increase in the so called 'Ethical Fund' sort of investment. Someone has to believe in the inherent dignity of human beings even if you don't. You got it backward Mike you goof-ball. Try reading it again. You stinking liberals cry any time a corporation makes money but its OK for a communist regime to abuse its own people. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Brian Hill wrote:
Is she foxy? I *NEED* a good talking to. She carrys a gun. Remember we're right wingers. I understand gun ownership knows no political boundaries. The American section of the lunatic zionist fringe is so well armed the ATF is investigating them. One of them got hauled up a while back for plotting to blow up American Mosques. But, back to more pleasant talk... What colour is the holster? Better still...is it stuck into the top of one of the fishnet stockings? Is it a petite Beretta or a Buntline Colt? Very unfeminine if it is a Buntline. Freud the Fraud woulda had a field day with her. mike |
Telamon wrote:
You got it backward Mike you goof-ball. Try reading it again. Ok. I typed too quick. He DOES seem to think it will do more damage than good. You stinking liberals Name calling gets you nowhere, snookums. cry any time a corporation makes money but its OK for a communist regime to abuse its own people. Making money is a fine thing. Making it via government corruption is another matter entirely. BECOMING the government in order to make even MORE money is purely obscene. Starting wars for profit after you are in a position of power should pretty well guarantee you a place in Hell. Any totalitarian state is evil. Power does that. That's what's so frightening about Washington. It's on the edge of the abyss with a Nero like figure playing fiddle. Second fiddle actually. Cheney and Ashcroft have leading roles. Notice how Perle and Wolfowitz have disappeared into the woodwork since the 'Mission Accomplished' celebration. Worms. ================================= 'Senator Kerry has good connection with the Hanoi government,'' said Hien thi Ngo, chairwoman of the Committee for Religious Freedom in Vietnam, based in Washington, D.C., who will attend the protest. ''He wants their trust and they don't want this bill.'' One criticism of the bill is that it hurts the people of Vietnam, a population of 80 million that ranks their nation as the world's 13th-most populous, though it is still among the poorest in the world. ================================= mike |
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m II wrote: Telamon wrote: You got it backward Mike you goof-ball. Try reading it again. Ok. I typed too quick. He DOES seem to think it will do more damage than good. You stinking liberals Name calling gets you nowhere, snookums. cry any time a corporation makes money but its OK for a communist regime to abuse its own people. Making money is a fine thing. Making it via government corruption is another matter entirely. BECOMING the government in order to make even MORE money is purely obscene. Starting wars for profit after you are in a position of power should pretty well guarantee you a place in Hell. Any totalitarian state is evil. Power does that. That's what's so frightening about Washington. It's on the edge of the abyss with a Nero like figure playing fiddle. Second fiddle actually. Cheney and Ashcroft have leading roles. Notice how Perle and Wolfowitz have disappeared into the woodwork since the 'Mission Accomplished' celebration. Worms. ================================= 'Senator Kerry has good connection with the Hanoi government,'' said Hien thi Ngo, chairwoman of the Committee for Religious Freedom in Vietnam, based in Washington, D.C., who will attend the protest. ''He wants their trust and they don't want this bill.'' Yes, they consider him a hero of the Vietnam war. His picture hangs in their war museum because he helped them win it. One criticism of the bill is that it hurts the people of Vietnam, a population of 80 million that ranks their nation as the world's 13th-most populous, though it is still among the poorest in the world. ================================= Yeah, and do you know who it would hurt more? Your clue is a very close relative of Kerry that runs an import business. Now go do some more research. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Commerce was a tyranny that Jefferson warned about. We've always had
tariffs and other taxes. The idea that the USA is supposed to be an unregulated commercial Utopia is a robber baron myth. On 5 Sep 2004 13:24:31 -0700, (RHF) wrote: = = = David wrote in message = = = . .. The last thing the corporations want is for the population to know what the founding principles of this country are. This country was started to provide a place where government and commerce served the people. Not the other way around. DAVID- You have it slighly distorted: This country was started to provide a place where government served the people. (For the People, By the People, Of the People) This country was started to provide a place where the people could participate in commerce freely. (Without unnecessary or excessive government interference; be it regulation or taxes.) ~ RHF . . |
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