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DE1103 11530 1956 USA-AL, WEWN-Vandiver Spanish Good 11775 1958 ANGUILLA, WUN English Excellent 11815 2000 COSTA RICA, REE Spanish Good 11840 2001 MOROCCO, VOA-Briech Ukrainian Good 11850 2003 TURKEY, VoT-Emirler French Fair 11855 2005 ASCENSION, VOA English Fair,NoWYFR 11955 2006 GABON, RFI-Moyabi French Excellent 11975 2008 SAO TOME, VOA-Pinheira English Good 11995 2010 FRANCE, RFI-Issoudun French Fair 12050 2011 EGYPT, RC-Abis Arabic Good, distort 13620 1953 INDIA, AIR-Bangalore French Fair, //13605 13630 1952 USA-NC, R Marti-Greenville Spanish Heavy Jamming,//11930 13700 1950 CANADA, RCI-Sackville French Excellent 13740 1948 CUBA, RNV-Habana Spanish Excellent 13760 1946 USA-IN, WHRI-Noblesville English Good 13770 1945 PORTUGAL, RDPI-Lisbon Portuguese Fair-Good 13780 1943 GERMANY, DW-Nauen German Weak 13795 1942 SWITZERLAND,SRI-Sottens English Fair 17800 2013 NIGERIA, VoN-Ikorodu English Good I hope Telamon is still out there.... ;-) Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A, Degen 1102, Degen 1103, GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nospam" to reply) |
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I Smell the Green Eyed Monster Way out in California In article , Telamon writes: If I was doing what you are doing, which is to listen to a station for one or two minutes there is no way in hell I could state that I had identified them with the exception of say the top of the hour where stations usually ID themselves. Best case - What you are doing is to tune something in, look it up a database other people have taken the time to verify and generate then state you heard that station without identifying them yourself so your log is worthless. Worse case - You just made the log up. This is most likely in my opinion. You are not fooling anyone Bryant. You are just a Trolling poser. -- Telamon Ventura, California Tomorrow we can drive around this town And let the cops chase us around The past is gone but something might be found To take its place...hey jealousy ID THIS . . . . . Dan / NYC ( Hoping to retire to Florida & Live in a Prefab Farraday Cage...) |
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Michael Bryant wrote: Sept 5 DE1103 11530 1956 USA-AL, WEWN-Vandiver Spanish Good 11775 1958 ANGUILLA, WUN English Excellent 11815 2000 COSTA RICA, REE Spanish Good 11840 2001 MOROCCO, VOA-Briech Ukrainian Good 11850 2003 TURKEY, VoT-Emirler French Fair 11855 2005 ASCENSION, VOA English Fair,NoWYFR 11955 2006 GABON, RFI-Moyabi French Excellent 11975 2008 SAO TOME, VOA-Pinheira English Good 11995 2010 FRANCE, RFI-Issoudun French Fair 12050 2011 EGYPT, RC-Abis Arabic Good, distort 13620 1953 INDIA, AIR-Bangalore French Fair, //13605 13630 1952 USA-NC, R Marti-Greenville Spanish Heavy Jamming,//11930 13700 1950 CANADA, RCI-Sackville French Excellent 13740 1948 CUBA, RNV-Habana Spanish Excellent 13760 1946 USA-IN, WHRI-Noblesville English Good 13770 1945 PORTUGAL, RDPI-Lisbon Portuguese Fair-Good 13780 1943 GERMANY, DW-Nauen German Weak 13795 1942 SWITZERLAND,SRI-Sottens English Fair 17800 2013 NIGERIA, VoN-Ikorodu English Good I hope Telamon is still out there.... ;-) I'm sure he is. Did you figure out where RTM-Sarawak was at yet? (Nice list-log...) dxAce |
I strongly agree with Mr. Bryant on this. DXing is a very individual
activity. Some people meticulously spend hours on a particular frequency. I had a friend who was that way. He was incredibly thorough but he never ended up with many stations. That doesn't work for me. My attention span is too short to start with. If I can ID a station in two minutes, then that leaves me a lot more time available in that window to pull in even more stations. Plus, there's nothing wrong with using another person's database to make an ID easier. It's no different than using a digital display on a radio to find out where you are on the dial. Some purists would rather dx by ear only, and that's fine too. Most importantly, though, DXing should be fun. |
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 21:54:29 GMT, Telamon
wrote: Best case - What you are doing is to tune something in, look it up a database other people have taken the time to verify and generate then state you heard that station without identifying them yourself so your log is worthless. Why is that worthless? |
Diverd4777 wrote: I Smell the Green Eyed Monster Way out in California No one should be envious of a list-logger. dxAce In article , Telamon writes: If I was doing what you are doing, which is to listen to a station for one or two minutes there is no way in hell I could state that I had identified them with the exception of say the top of the hour where stations usually ID themselves. Best case - What you are doing is to tune something in, look it up a database other people have taken the time to verify and generate then state you heard that station without identifying them yourself so your log is worthless. Worse case - You just made the log up. This is most likely in my opinion. You are not fooling anyone Bryant. You are just a Trolling poser. -- Telamon Ventura, California Tomorrow we can drive around this town And let the cops chase us around The past is gone but something might be found To take its place...hey jealousy ID THIS . . . . . Dan / NYC ( Hoping to retire to Florida & Live in a Prefab Farraday Cage...) |
Diverd4777 wrote: I Smell the Green Eyed Monster Way out in California In article , Telamon writes: If I was doing what you are doing, which is to listen to a station for one or two minutes there is no way in hell I could state that I had identified them with the exception of say the top of the hour where stations usually ID themselves. Best case - What you are doing is to tune something in, look it up a database other people have taken the time to verify and generate then state you heard that station without identifying them yourself so your log is worthless. Worse case - You just made the log up. This is most likely in my opinion. You are not fooling anyone Bryant. You are just a Trolling poser. -- Telamon Ventura, California Tomorrow we can drive around this town And let the cops chase us around The past is gone but something might be found To take its place...hey jealousy ID THIS . . . . . Gin Blossoms-Hey Jealousy dxAce Dan / NYC ( Hoping to retire to Florida & Live in a Prefab Farraday Cage...) |
lsmyer wrote: I strongly agree with Mr. Bryant on this. DXing is a very individual activity. Some people meticulously spend hours on a particular frequency. I had a friend who was that way. He was incredibly thorough but he never ended up with many stations. That doesn't work for me. My attention span is too short to start with. If I can ID a station in two minutes, then that leaves me a lot more time available in that window to pull in even more stations. Plus, there's nothing wrong with using another person's database to make an ID easier. It's no different than using a digital display on a radio to find out where you are on the dial. Some purists would rather dx by ear only, and that's fine too. Most importantly, though, DXing should be fun. Yes, but Bryant is not actually ID'ing the stations. He's running down a list (someone elses). That's OK, however since he has no real idea that that station is actually using that frequency at that time and place, he can at best put a tentative or presumed next to each log. Simply following someones list is a good way to confuse things as that station may or may not actually be the one he's hearing. He's just guessing, hoping that the list is accurate. He doesn't even know what country RTM-Sarawak is in, so he's certainly no dx'er. dxAce |
Kameron Spesial wrote: On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 21:54:29 GMT, Telamon wrote: Best case - What you are doing is to tune something in, look it up a database other people have taken the time to verify and generate then state you heard that station without identifying them yourself so your log is worthless. Why is that worthless? Why, because he has no real idea whether it is that station or not. It's called 'list-logging'., a bad hobby practice. dxAce |
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"lsmyer" wrote: I strongly agree with Mr. Bryant on this. DXing is a very individual activity. Some people meticulously spend hours on a particular frequency. I had a friend who was that way. He was incredibly thorough but he never ended up with many stations. That doesn't work for me. My attention span is too short to start with. If I can ID a station in two minutes, then that leaves me a lot more time available in that window to pull in even more stations. Plus, there's nothing wrong with using another person's database to make an ID easier. It's no different than using a digital display on a radio to find out where you are on the dial. Some purists would rather dx by ear only, and that's fine too. Most importantly, though, DXing should be fun. Well I strongly disagree. If you are going to post that you heard a certain station on a frequency at some time then you would have to listen long enough to identify that station. The time to do this could be just a minute if you happen to tune in at just the right time to catch an ID but that is not going to happen on a list like the one presented. Like I stated, best case, he is ASSUMING the ID of the station based on SOMEONE ELSE'S HARD WORK that spent the time listening to their radio. A log list that someone has taken the time to verify (ID) is worth reading and that's not Bryant's list. He probably just made the up the list anyway so you want to argue over nothing? -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... snip You're lucky at the moment, but like all list loggers, someday you'll really screw up, they all do. If you've been in the hobby for almost 40 years, surely you'd be aware of that. Just what exactly is a list logger? |
I use to log lots of DX stations like Michael Bryant when I was out in the
rural countryside with lots of property and good antennas. So I have no question that Bryant is logging all those stations. Wonder what he uses for antennas?? "Michael Bryant" wrote in message ... Sept 5 DE1103 11530 1956 USA-AL, WEWN-Vandiver Spanish Good 11775 1958 ANGUILLA, WUN English Excellent 11815 2000 COSTA RICA, REE Spanish Good 11840 2001 MOROCCO, VOA-Briech Ukrainian Good 11850 2003 TURKEY, VoT-Emirler French Fair 11855 2005 ASCENSION, VOA English Fair,NoWYFR 11955 2006 GABON, RFI-Moyabi French Excellent 11975 2008 SAO TOME, VOA-Pinheira English Good 11995 2010 FRANCE, RFI-Issoudun French Fair 12050 2011 EGYPT, RC-Abis Arabic Good, distort 13620 1953 INDIA, AIR-Bangalore French Fair, //13605 13630 1952 USA-NC, R Marti-Greenville Spanish Heavy Jamming,//11930 13700 1950 CANADA, RCI-Sackville French Excellent 13740 1948 CUBA, RNV-Habana Spanish Excellent 13760 1946 USA-IN, WHRI-Noblesville English Good 13770 1945 PORTUGAL, RDPI-Lisbon Portuguese Fair-Good 13780 1943 GERMANY, DW-Nauen German Weak 13795 1942 SWITZERLAND,SRI-Sottens English Fair 17800 2013 NIGERIA, VoN-Ikorodu English Good I hope Telamon is still out there.... ;-) Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A, Degen 1102, Degen 1103, GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nospam" to reply) |
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ospam (Michael Bryant) wrote: From: Kameron Spesial Telamon wrote: Best case - What you are doing is to tune something in, look it up a database other people have taken the time to verify and generate then state you heard that station without identifying them yourself so your log is worthless. Why is that worthless? I've been in the hobby coming up on 40 years. In my years in high school and college I studied a slew of languages. The first thing I do is try to identify the language or language group. Then I use several databases, including HFCC, ILG, EiBi to make an educated guess. Then I listen up to three or minutes usually, until I can pick up on what's being talked about. Not really that difficult. I never claimed any of this stuff to be DX info. I'm just listing what I'm hearing. Anyone with a radio with an external antenna ought to be able to confirm any list I provide. You have been lying in this news group for years. "I'm just listing what I'm hearing. Anyone with a radio with an external antenna ought to be able to confirm any list I provide." Yeah that's all you are doing. I can't identify english broadcasts as fast as you claim to be able to identify broadcasts in a foreign language. If you use an up to date list you are only right because of someone else's hard work you scum of the earth. But ignore Telamon. He's a COMPLETE off-the-wall loon. Is he STILL making constant delusions about me not even having a radio? With the huge amount to credibility you have this means a lot. That's why he was one of the first to go into the killfile. This NG is much more enjoyable without seeing their posts. It would be better still, if you didn't re-post their attempts to try to lure me into fighting with them. Radio can be fun. Yeah you should try it. Chance are you just make up the stuff. With all the lying you have done here I'll need proof you actually own a SW radio. There is nothing you have posted that leads me to believe you actually own a SW radio. Prove it and I'll shut up about it. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 19:23:14 -0400, dxAce wrote:
Michael Bryant wrote: From: Kameron Spesial Telamon wrote: Best case - What you are doing is to tune something in, look it up a database other people have taken the time to verify and generate then state you heard that station without identifying them yourself so your log is worthless. Why is that worthless? I've been in the hobby coming up on 40 years. Yeah, and you still don't know the difference between Malaysia and Indonesia. In my years in high school and college I studied a slew of languages. Sure you did. The first thing I do is try to identify the language or language group. No you don't, you look at the list. Then I use several databases, including HFCC, ILG, EiBi to make an educated guess. Then I listen up to three or minutes usually, until I can pick up on what's being talked about. But your logs don't indicate that you are listening that long. Not really that difficult. List-logging never is. I never claimed any of this stuff to be DX info. Nobody said it was. I'm just listing what I'm hearing. No, you're listing what is on the list. Anyone with a radio with an external antenna ought to be able to confirm any list I provide. You're lucky at the moment, but like all list loggers, someday you'll really screw up, they all do. If you've been in the hobby for almost 40 years, surely you'd be aware of that. dxAce But ignore Telamon. He's a COMPLETE off-the-wall loon. Is he STILL making constant delusions about me not even having a radio? That's why he was one of the first to go into the killfile. This NG is much more enjoyable without seeing their posts. It would be better still, if you didn't re-post their attempts to try to lure me into fighting with them. Radio can be fun. Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A, Degen 1102, Degen 1103, GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nospam" to reply) I'd have to agree with this Mike guy in this case - seams reasonable enough. And dxAce - you seem a little hostile - even irrational. I've noticed that in a few of your political posts. Are you teasing MB? Anyway, this group has been a real help to me - thanks. |
In article NzN_c.813$2H5.226@trndny07,
"David" wrote: I use to log lots of DX stations like Michael Bryant when I was out in the rural countryside with lots of property and good antennas. So I have no question that Bryant is logging all those stations. Wonder what he uses for antennas?? It's not humanly possible to identify that many stations that fast even if they are all in english or a persons first language. All he is doing is hearing a station on a frequency and looking it up on a current frequency list someone else took the time to verify. That is if he actually listens at all. "Michael Bryant" wrote in message ... Sept 5 DE1103 11530 1956 USA-AL, WEWN-Vandiver Spanish Good 11775 1958 ANGUILLA, WUN English Excellent 11815 2000 COSTA RICA, REE Spanish Good 11840 2001 MOROCCO, VOA-Briech Ukrainian Good 11850 2003 TURKEY, VoT-Emirler French Fair 11855 2005 ASCENSION, VOA English Fair,NoWYFR 11955 2006 GABON, RFI-Moyabi French Excellent 11975 2008 SAO TOME, VOA-Pinheira English Good 11995 2010 FRANCE, RFI-Issoudun French Fair 12050 2011 EGYPT, RC-Abis Arabic Good, distort 13620 1953 INDIA, AIR-Bangalore French Fair, //13605 13630 1952 USA-NC, R Marti-Greenville Spanish Heavy Jamming,//11930 13700 1950 CANADA, RCI-Sackville French Excellent 13740 1948 CUBA, RNV-Habana Spanish Excellent 13760 1946 USA-IN, WHRI-Noblesville English Good 13770 1945 PORTUGAL, RDPI-Lisbon Portuguese Fair-Good 13780 1943 GERMANY, DW-Nauen German Weak 13795 1942 SWITZERLAND,SRI-Sottens English Fair 17800 2013 NIGERIA, VoN-Ikorodu English Good I hope Telamon is still out there.... ;-) Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A, Degen 1102, Degen 1103, GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nospam" to reply) -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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Kameron Spesial wrote: On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 19:23:14 -0400, dxAce wrote: Michael Bryant wrote: From: Kameron Spesial Telamon wrote: Best case - What you are doing is to tune something in, look it up a database other people have taken the time to verify and generate then state you heard that station without identifying them yourself so your log is worthless. Why is that worthless? I've been in the hobby coming up on 40 years. Yeah, and you still don't know the difference between Malaysia and Indonesia. In my years in high school and college I studied a slew of languages. Sure you did. The first thing I do is try to identify the language or language group. No you don't, you look at the list. Then I use several databases, including HFCC, ILG, EiBi to make an educated guess. Then I listen up to three or minutes usually, until I can pick up on what's being talked about. But your logs don't indicate that you are listening that long. Not really that difficult. List-logging never is. I never claimed any of this stuff to be DX info. Nobody said it was. I'm just listing what I'm hearing. No, you're listing what is on the list. Anyone with a radio with an external antenna ought to be able to confirm any list I provide. You're lucky at the moment, but like all list loggers, someday you'll really screw up, they all do. If you've been in the hobby for almost 40 years, surely you'd be aware of that. dxAce But ignore Telamon. He's a COMPLETE off-the-wall loon. Is he STILL making constant delusions about me not even having a radio? That's why he was one of the first to go into the killfile. This NG is much more enjoyable without seeing their posts. It would be better still, if you didn't re-post their attempts to try to lure me into fighting with them. Radio can be fun. Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A, Degen 1102, Degen 1103, GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nospam" to reply) I'd have to agree with this Mike guy in this case - seams reasonable enough. Then you would be wrong. This is the argument, "seems" is not good enough. If Bryant wants to list his assumption on what he heard then he could post "presumed" in front of each station he did not verify. That is if he really listens at all. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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ospam (Michael Bryant) wrote: From: "David" use to log lots of DX stations like Michael Bryant when I was out in the rural countryside with lots of property and good antennas. So I have no question that Bryant is logging all those stations. Wonder what he uses for antennas?? That's one of the reasons I haven't been posting as many lists lately. I live in an apartment in an industrial suburban part of Louisville. I mainly use about thirty feet of internal random wire, two West and North-pointing Sony AN-LP1s, an MFJ 1020, and two of the Radio Shack Amplified SW antennas. The point of these logs are that I'm hearing them on a new Degen 1103. With just the extendable antenna rod!! It beats my 7600G even when the 7600G is hooked to one of the AN-LP1s. The sensitivity seems to be much better than the SW77. I think this reflects some recent improvements in propagation, but the 1103 is a hot receiver. I need to find a way to hook it up to an external antenna. Impressed. Sounds more to me that you are doing something wrong with the AN_LP1 / 7600G. That is if you are not just making it all up. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Honus wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... snip You're lucky at the moment, but like all list loggers, someday you'll really screw up, they all do. If you've been in the hobby for almost 40 years, surely you'd be aware of that. Just what exactly is a list logger? A list logger, in hobby parlance, is one who takes a published frequency/station list, tunes his radio to said frequency at said time, and then says 'I heard station 'xyz' at 2100 on frequency xxx', however, the individual may have never heard an ID or anything that would actually indicate that is indeed station 'xyz'.Their 'logging' is only as reliable (or unreliable) as the list. Now, the list may or may not be correct, and the station heard may not actually be the station on the list. Things like that can and do happen. Proper identification leads to proper lists, BUT, the list itself should only be used as a guide. Anything else is merely a 'presumtive' logging of station 'xyz' dxAce |
Michael Bryant wrote:
Sept 5 DE1103 11530 1956 USA-AL, WEWN-Vandiver Spanish Good 11775 1958 ANGUILLA, WUN English Excellent 11815 2000 COSTA RICA, REE Spanish Good etc... Another nice list is available he http://members.tripod.com/~bpadula/13mbsurvey.html mike |
From: m II
http://members.tripod.com/~bpadula/13mbsurvey.html Nice, Mike. Thanks. Any more actual SW info? Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A, Degen 1102, Degen 1103, GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nospam" to reply) |
Michael Bryant wrote: From: m II http://members.tripod.com/~bpadula/13mbsurvey.html Nice, Mike. Thanks. Any more actual SW info? SW info? Personally, I'd rather hear more about your quest for that PhD. You remember, the one you've lied about having previously. dxAce |
m II wrote: Michael Bryant wrote: Sept 5 DE1103 11530 1956 USA-AL, WEWN-Vandiver Spanish Good 11775 1958 ANGUILLA, WUN English Excellent 11815 2000 COSTA RICA, REE Spanish Good etc... Another nice list is available he http://members.tripod.com/~bpadula/13mbsurvey.html I particularly like the way that fellow repeats himself in the 4th and 5th paragraphs on the opening page. Guess he was just trying to get his point across. dxAce |
In article , dxAce
wrote: Michael Bryant wrote: From: m II http://members.tripod.com/~bpadula/13mbsurvey.html Nice, Mike. Thanks. Any more actual SW info? SW info? Personally, I'd rather hear more about your quest for that PhD. You remember, the one you've lied about having previously. Why don't you ask him if really owns a SW radio. How do you know when Bryant is lying? When he posts something. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"dxAce" wrote in message ... Honus wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... snip You're lucky at the moment, but like all list loggers, someday you'll really screw up, they all do. If you've been in the hobby for almost 40 years, surely you'd be aware of that. Just what exactly is a list logger? A list logger, in hobby parlance, is one who takes a published frequency/station list, tunes his radio to said frequency at said time, and then says 'I heard station 'xyz' at 2100 on frequency xxx', however, the individual may have never heard an ID or anything that would actually indicate that is indeed station 'xyz'.Their 'logging' is only as reliable (or unreliable) as the list. Now, the list may or may not be correct, and the station heard may not actually be the station on the list. Ah. I thought as much. Is there any way of getting a sure station ID other than on air identification, or perhaps simultaneous webcasts? (Or the speaker identifying himself as Brother Stair.) It seems to me that anything else would fall under the "presumptive" category. I'm trying to be pretty picky about what I log. I'm doing this with my 9 year old daughter...we stick pins in a map on the wall marking the location of the transmitters that we're receiving from. It's not as fun if we only "think" that such and such a program came from such and such a place. I just don't get why people would even bother list logging; it defeats the whole purpose, in my view. I'm a list lager, myself. If I drink too much beer, I tend to tilt to one side. |
In article ujT_c.2793$x12.561@trnddc05,
"Honus" wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Honus wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... snip You're lucky at the moment, but like all list loggers, someday you'll really screw up, they all do. If you've been in the hobby for almost 40 years, surely you'd be aware of that. Just what exactly is a list logger? A list logger, in hobby parlance, is one who takes a published frequency/station list, tunes his radio to said frequency at said time, and then says 'I heard station 'xyz' at 2100 on frequency xxx', however, the individual may have never heard an ID or anything that would actually indicate that is indeed station 'xyz'.Their 'logging' is only as reliable (or unreliable) as the list. Now, the list may or may not be correct, and the station heard may not actually be the station on the list. Ah. I thought as much. Is there any way of getting a sure station ID other than on air identification, or perhaps simultaneous webcasts? (Or the speaker identifying himself as Brother Stair.) It seems to me that anything else would fall under the "presumptive" category. I'm trying to be pretty picky about what I log. I'm doing this with my 9 year old daughter...we stick pins in a map on the wall marking the location of the transmitters that we're receiving from. It's not as fun if we only "think" that such and such a program came from such and such a place. I just don't get why people would even bother list logging; it defeats the whole purpose, in my view. I'm a list lager, myself. If I drink too much beer, I tend to tilt to one side. I sure there are plenty of methods you can use to figure it out such as noting when a suspect station is broadcasting on more than one frequency. This is where having more than one radio really comes in handy. Looking up the programming content on the Internet would be another. Drinking coffee instead of beer would be another. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Honus wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Honus wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... snip You're lucky at the moment, but like all list loggers, someday you'll really screw up, they all do. If you've been in the hobby for almost 40 years, surely you'd be aware of that. Just what exactly is a list logger? A list logger, in hobby parlance, is one who takes a published frequency/station list, tunes his radio to said frequency at said time, and then says 'I heard station 'xyz' at 2100 on frequency xxx', however, the individual may have never heard an ID or anything that would actually indicate that is indeed station 'xyz'.Their 'logging' is only as reliable (or unreliable) as the list. Now, the list may or may not be correct, and the station heard may not actually be the station on the list. Ah. I thought as much. Is there any way of getting a sure station ID other than on air identification, or perhaps simultaneous webcasts? (Or the speaker identifying himself as Brother Stair.) It seems to me that anything else would fall under the "presumptive" category. I'm trying to be pretty picky about what I log. I'm doing this with my 9 year old daughter...we stick pins in a map on the wall marking the location of the transmitters that we're receiving from. It's not as fun if we only "think" that such and such a program came from such and such a place. I just don't get why people would even bother list logging; it defeats the whole purpose, in my view. I'm a list lager, myself. If I drink too much beer, I tend to tilt to one side. One very to way to determine if it is the station in question is to check parallel frequencies. Let's say 'xyz' is using 11850 and 15275 at 2100. If the same broadcast is on both frequencies at that time, it's a pretty good bet that it is indeed 'xyz' that you are hearing. That still doesn't preclude hearing an ID, but this is a reliable method. dxAce |
In article ujT_c.2793$x12.561@trnddc05, "Honus"
writes: Ah. I thought as much. Is there any way of getting a sure station ID other than on air identification, or perhaps simultaneous webcasts? (Or the speaker identifying himself as Brother Stair.) It seems to me that anything else would fall under the "presumptive" category. I'm trying to be pretty picky about what I log. I'm doing this with my 9 year old daughter...we stick pins in a map on the wall marking the location of the transmitters that we're receiving from. This sounds nice; she'll remember this as good times with Dad. . . . & you might consider Switching to Diet Coke or coffee whilst DX'ing with yer daughter . . . |
Agreed totally. My method (and people can criticize it but it is the way I
enjoy creating my own logs) is to scan through the entire sw spectrum within an hour. I don't try to identify every signal I can hear...I try to stick with English language transmissions, or at least, interesting music. I then use references such as Prime Time Shortwave, Passport and Monitoring times to identify the stations. Generally it is fairly obvious if you can figure out what the station is...if not I leave it as unidentified for now and move on. Sometimes the ID's are stumbled upon by identifying parallel frequencies with the same program. Is this stealing someone else's work? I don't think so. It is using whatever data I can to identify what I'm hearing, and I think this is totally correct and appropriate for me. Otherwise, what else do you use all the available data for? With this method I can do a band scan for each hour of the day and compile my own logs, which I update twice each Summer and twice each Winter. If someone states that you are stealing someone else's work unless you listen to each signal until you hear an ID they are applying their personal preferences in how to create logs onto everyone else and frankly I don't see how anyone has the right to do that. I realize I may get flamed for writing this and that's one of the reasons I seldom post to this group these days but felt it was necessary to speak my piece. Jay "lsmyer" wrote in message ... I strongly agree with Mr. Bryant on this. DXing is a very individual activity. Some people meticulously spend hours on a particular frequency. I had a friend who was that way. He was incredibly thorough but he never ended up with many stations. That doesn't work for me. My attention span is too short to start with. If I can ID a station in two minutes, then that leaves me a lot more time available in that window to pull in even more stations. Plus, there's nothing wrong with using another person's database to make an ID easier. It's no different than using a digital display on a radio to find out where you are on the dial. Some purists would rather dx by ear only, and that's fine too. Most importantly, though, DXing should be fun. |
In article , "Jay"
writes: Is this stealing someone else's work? I don't think so. It is using whatever data I can to identify what I'm hearing, and I think this is totally correct and appropriate for me. Otherwise, what else do you use all the available data for? Agree, why NOT use whatever data is available; - No real sense in reinventing the wheel... If your star gazing, you use a guide to the planets and stars , coordinated for your time, season and latitude. If you're bird watching, you use a guide; "that looks like a".. Not a shotgun, bird dog and dissecting tools :-) With this method I can do a band scan for each hour of the day and compile my own logs, which I update twice each Summer and twice each Winter. If someone states that you are stealing someone else's work unless you listen to each signal until you hear an ID they are applying their personal preferences in how to create logs onto everyone else and frankly I don't see how anyone has the right to do that. Theres a lot of petty jealousy in the world... I realize I may get flamed for writing this and that's one of the reasons I seldom post to this group these days but felt it was necessary to speak my piece. Jay Theres a lot of petty jealousy in the world... Dan / NYC |
Diverd4777 wrote:
Agree, why NOT use whatever data is available; - No real sense in reinventing the wheel... I was led to believe all those lists were published just so people COULD use them in their short wave listening. Making life easier for your fellow man...it costs so little..sniff... mike (the selfless) II |
m II wrote: Diverd4777 wrote: Agree, why NOT use whatever data is available; - No real sense in reinventing the wheel... I was led to believe all those lists were published just so people COULD use them in their short wave listening. Making life easier for your fellow man...it costs so little..sniff... You've (and others) have totally missed my point... why am I not surprised? dxAce |
"Telamon" wrote in message ... I sure there are plenty of methods you can use to figure it out such as noting when a suspect station is broadcasting on more than one frequency. This is where having more than one radio really comes in handy. Looking up the programming content on the Internet would be another. I hadn't thought of looking for broadcasts on more than one frequency, so it's a good thing I asked! g When I look at my Passport, I just plain forget that some stations do that. Looks like I need to pick up a copy of the WRTH too. That should prove helpful. Drinking coffee instead of beer would be another. That would help eliminate the partial list but then I'd be in serious trouble when I was -entirely- horizontal...and trying to sleep. |
I kind of agrtee with DX Ac on this one. listening for only two inutes
dosn't always give you a correcr i.d even if you actually heard a i.d. such as a statin being relayed. as a made-up example HCJB Quito, Ecuador being relayed over WCRB Okechobee Florida or WMLD Maryland. and to make matters even more confusion, one of my local tv stations constajntly I.D.'ed in a way that made them look like they were actually the other tv station in town!!!! they did own both tv stations in town. WOIO 19 and WUAB 43. showing different programming. 19 is CBS. 43 is UPN. 43 identified with "WOIO-TV 19 Shaker Heights-Cleveland" in big printed letters taking up almost the whole screen followed by "WUAB-TV 43 Lorain-Cleveland" in really tiny print so tiny that you couldn't really see it on a 20 inch tv unless you were right up at the screen, and even then, you really needed a magnifying glass. Is that way of giving "station identification" legal? |
I kind of agrtee with DX Ac on this one. listening for only two inutes
dosn't always give you a correcr i.d even if you actually heard a i.d. such as a statin being relayed. as a made-up example HCJB Quito, Ecuador being relayed over WCRB Okechobee Florida or WMLD Maryland. and to make matters even more confusion, one of my local tv stations constajntly I.D.'ed in a way that made them look like they were actually the other tv station in town!!!! they did own both tv stations in town. WOIO 19 and WUAB 43. showing different programming. 19 is CBS. 43 is UPN. 43 identified with "WOIO-TV 19 Shaker Heights-Cleveland" in big printed letters taking up almost the whole screen followed by "WUAB-TV 43 Lorain-Cleveland" in really tiny print so tiny that you couldn't really see it on a 20 inch tv unless you were right up at the screen, and even then, you really needed a magnifying glass. Is that way of giving "station identification" legal? |
IF he's listing his "Assumptions" on what he heard, then he might not
have heard those stations. sometimes there's more than one station on the same frequency where you can only hear the one one day and only hear the other another day. true example from my loggings (althogh this veers off of shortwave a bit) one day, on 162.400 MHZ, I hear only NOAA weather radio. I think from Castilla, Ohio (spelling?). On another day on the same radio and same frequency, 162.400 MHZ, I hear only "Enviroment Canada"'s weather radio. Some days, I can hear both depending on which direction I turn te radio. On a normal day, I can't hear anything on 162.400 MHZ My local NOAA weather radio station is on 162.55 MHZ which I can hear all of the time. |
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