Kudos to Fox News
 

Fox News was in charge of the pool camera for the debates. They caught some
moments of pure magic, where a picture told untold thousands of words. Did
you see how angry Bush looked when they did cutaway shots to him early while
Kerry answered? Whereas Kerry always looked calm and in control when Bush
was tripping over himself? Bet Rupert got on the phone quick, because they
stopped the cutaways to Bush as the debate progressed and the president kept
wilting. It needs to be stressed for those who didn't get a chance to watch
the debates that when Bush wasn't clearly dazed and confused, he looked
enraged. The contrast between the candidates couldn't have been more
pronounced. One candidate looked like a President and Commander in Chief
tonight, and it was NOT George W. Bush. I'm being kind and generous with my
words, this was not pretty, it was devastating.

yojimbo wrote:

Fox News was in charge of the pool camera for the debates. They caught some
moments of pure magic, where a picture told untold thousands of words. Did
you see how angry Bush looked when they did cutaway shots to him early while
Kerry answered? Whereas Kerry always looked calm and in control when Bush
was tripping over himself? Bet Rupert got on the phone quick, because they
stopped the cutaways to Bush as the debate progressed and the president kept
wilting. It needs to be stressed for those who didn't get a chance to watch
the debates that when Bush wasn't clearly dazed and confused, he looked
enraged. The contrast between the candidates couldn't have been more
pronounced. One candidate looked like a President and Commander in Chief
tonight, and it was NOT George W. Bush. I'm being kind and generous with my
words, this was not pretty, it was devastating.

I didn't watch it on TV. It's always been my experience that it is best to
'listen', rather than 'watch'.

The President did just fine.

dxAce

From: dxAce

The President did just fine.


I don't think Bush made any mistakes. He held his own well enough that there
won't be any real change in the polls.


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"dxAce" wrote in message
...

The President did just fine.

I'm glad you think that way, like your hero, you are living in a fantasy
world. Believe me, I couldn't have dreamed that Bush could possibly be this
bad. He stank.

Michael Bryant wrote:

From: dxAce

The President did just fine.


I don't think Bush made any mistakes. He held his own well enough that there
won't be any real change in the polls.

Well, we agree on that! Granted, he's not the best public speaker in the world.

But in many instances, that's not the most desirable trait in a leader.

dxAce
Michigan

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

Michael Bryant wrote:

From: dxAce


The President did just fine.



I don't think Bush made any mistakes. He held his own well enough that there
won't be any real change in the polls.

I agree, Bush did fine, Kerry was the more skilled debater, you have to
listen to what they say, not how they say it, but liberal dummycrats are
more show than substance.
However the liberals are so glad to get some kind of victory no
matter how small, that they will shout for days about Kerry creaming
Bush, which he didn't. The debates more than likely will have very
little effect on the election.

dxAce wrote:


Michael Bryant wrote:


From: dxAce

The President did just fine.


I don't think Bush made any mistakes. He held his own well enough that there
won't be any real change in the polls.


Well, we agree on that! Granted, he's not the best public speaker in the world.

But in many instances, that's not the most desirable trait in a leader.

I will take someone who will not make defending America dependent upon
what other nations say or think, over a skilled debater any day.

yojimbo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


The President did just fine.


I'm glad you think that way, like your hero, you are living in a fantasy
world. Believe me, I couldn't have dreamed that Bush could possibly be this
bad. He stank.



Considering you've sent dozens of messages critical of President Bush
over the last 8 days, your comment seems less than honest.

C-span cameras overheard Joe Lockhart telling Mike McCurry “The
consensus is it was a draw.”

yojimbo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

The President did just fine.

I'm glad you think that way, like your hero, you are living in a fantasy
world.

Is that somewhat akin to living in Canada?

dxAce
Michigan

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

Pathetic? Idol?

Damn, I think we got an outbreak of mental illness north of our border.

We all know that the Canadian health care system broke down long ago, but
it has
taken awhile for the symptoms to fully manifest themselves.

From where I stand, I see that Canadians do just fine. They have the
essential advantage of using their brains much better than their neighbor
down south. Granted though, they don't have your dead end Rambo mentality.

Joe wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

Pathetic? Idol?

Damn, I think we got an outbreak of mental illness north of our border.

We all know that the Canadian health care system broke down long ago, but
it has
taken awhile for the symptoms to fully manifest themselves.

From where I stand, I see that Canadians do just fine. They have the
essential advantage of using their brains much better than their neighbor
down south. Granted though, they don't have your dead end Rambo mentality.

Yeah, they are just so much smarter than anyone else.

dxAce
Michigan

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

My extended Canadian family had three emergency hospital operations in the
past two years. Everything taken care of, family didn't lose a penny,
everybody's smiling. Medicine was fully covered too.

"Joe" wrote in message
...
"dxAce" wrote in message
...

Pathetic? Idol?

Damn, I think we got an outbreak of mental illness north of our border.

We all know that the Canadian health care system broke down long ago,
but
it has
taken awhile for the symptoms to fully manifest themselves.

From where I stand, I see that Canadians do just fine. They have the
essential advantage of using their brains much better than their neighbor
down south. Granted though, they don't have your dead end Rambo
mentality.

yojimbo wrote:

My extended Canadian family had three emergency hospital operations in the
past two years. Everything taken care of, family didn't lose a penny,
everybody's smiling. Medicine was fully covered too.

Well you certainly must have a lot of it up there based upon the barrage of
emails I get here everyday.

Do us a favour, keep taking yours, and perhaps that will cut down on the obvious
surplus.

dxAce
Michigan

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:32:58 -0400, dxAce wrote:



yojimbo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

The President did just fine.

I'm glad you think that way, like your hero, you are living in a fantasy
world.

Is that somewhat akin to living in Canada?

dxAce
Michigan

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



You are pure stupid dxAwipe.

"Tad E." wrote in message ...
"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...

Lockhart and McCurry are part of Sen. Kerry's team. Their guy is
down in the polls. Why would they overstate the President's
performance?

The challenger will probably see a couple of point bounce from being
seen on the same stage as the President, as that's normal unless
someone says or does something remarkably stupid.

But nobody made a huge gaffe, few people were undecided before the
debate, and I doubt many were swayed one way or another.

You are making way too much sense for this NG.

That's Mr. Holden's stock-in-trade - somebody has to be the adult,
right?

Personally, I'd give Kerry a slight edge just for smoothness of
presentation, but frankly, both of them simply repeated what we'd
heard before with minor adjustments as they went along, and I doubt
that either one made a big impression on anybody (except my wife, who
is so disgusted with Bush for so many reasons that she'd be more
impressed with a toadstool). It was a kind of a blah debate overall.

I wanna see Harry Truman or Teddy Roosevelt debate sometime. Maybe in
the next life.

Bruce Jensen

Mark S. Holden wrote:

yojimbo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


The President did just fine.



I'm glad you think that way, like your hero, you are living in a fantasy
world. Believe me, I couldn't have dreamed that Bush could possibly be
this
bad. He stank.



Considering you've sent dozens of messages critical of President Bush
over the last 8 days, your comment seems less than honest.

C-span cameras overheard Joe Lockhart telling Mike McCurry “The
consensus is it was a draw.”

So far most have concluded that Kerry was in better form as a debater,
but as far as the message Bush had the edge and nothing was said by
either that would make large numbers of voters be swayed one way or the
other. It was basically a draw.

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:59:29 -0600, Sir Cumference
wrote:

but as far as the message Bush had the edge


Incredible.

On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:38:17 -0400, "Jack" wrote:

Yea but you shoulda seen the frigging retard Bush twistin in the wind when
he couldnt come up with a half assed answer or defend himself...or the
machine gun stutter...Pure ignorance at work!

Jeeze are all republicans that ****ing retarded?

"

I believe that it has been proven that an unusual high number of
eye-blinks, made by a person while speaking, indicate that the person
doing the blinking is lying.

Whether it is true in this case, look at the clips of the debate and
judge for yourself.

juny

"clifto" wrote in message
...
juny wrote:
I believe that it has been proven that an unusual high number of
eye-blinks, made by a person while speaking, indicate that the person
doing the blinking is lying.

When the person is in normal lighting under normal circumstances, that
*might* be true. With 500 kilowatts of light on the person, all bets
are off.

Not at all. Only enhanced, magnified but not induced.

juny wrote:
On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:38:17 -0400, "Jack" wrote:


Yea but you shoulda seen the frigging retard Bush twistin in the wind when
he couldnt come up with a half assed answer or defend himself...or the
machine gun stutter...Pure ignorance at work!

Jeeze are all republicans that ****ing retarded?

"


I believe that it has been proven that an unusual high number of
eye-blinks, made by a person while speaking, indicate that the person
doing the blinking is lying.

Whether it is true in this case, look at the clips of the debate and
judge for yourself.

juny



In the clips used in the DNC "Faces of Frustration" video, the person
who is talking is Senator Kerry.

I'm not sure what inferences you can draw about the President blinking
while listening to his opponent.

But the video is at best a cheap shot. It shows 14 clips from a 90
minute debate, in 43 seconds.

That averages out to less than 3.1 seconds per clip.

The other 9 seconds are used for the title, the required "Paid for by"
statement, and black screen.

This is undoubtedly why they replaced the actual sound track with music.
With all that slicing and dicing, it would sound like the Senator
was talking gibberish.

I imagine if you had 90 minutes of pretty much anyone standing at a
podium, with half the time spent waiting for their turn to speak, you
could isolate 43 seconds of them looking pretty goofy.

My guess is if they broadcast it on TV, it'll backfire on the Kerry
campaign. People will see it as contrived "red meat".

Yes. I learned long ago (and anyone on here that is truly into radio should
also know this) that the best way to hear a debate is on the radio, just the
way I heard this one. TV throws in to many visual influences that, while
subconscious, have an impact on your perception. The radio gives you what
you should be paying attention to, content. I am surprised that so many
people make judgments about someone's ability to do a job (other than public
speaking ) on the basis of their ability to speak to an audience. Some of
(most actually) of the most intelligent and capable people I know are not
good public speakers. Some of the slimiest, car salesmen and lawyers, could
talk anyone into anything. If you are electing a bull****er, listen to how
he speaks. If you are electing a president, listen to what he says.

"-=jd=-" wrote in message

So, instead of counting the eye-blinks of anyone facing high-wattage
stage-lighting, wouldn't it be more revealing to listen closely to what
was said?

On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 06:37:55 -0400, "Mark S. Holden"
wrote:

juny wrote:
On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:38:17 -0400, "Jack" wrote:


Yea but you shoulda seen the frigging retard Bush twistin in the wind when
he couldnt come up with a half assed answer or defend himself...or the
machine gun stutter...Pure ignorance at work!

Jeeze are all republicans that ****ing retarded?
"

I believe that it has been proven that an unusual high number of
eye-blinks, made by a person while speaking, indicate that the person
doing the blinking is lying.

Whether it is true in this case, look at the clips of the debate and
judge for yourself.

juny


In the clips used in the DNC "Faces of Frustration" video, the person
who is talking is Senator Kerry.

I'm not sure what inferences you can draw about the President blinking
while listening to his opponent.


I did NOT say that the President blinked while listening to his
opponent, I said " I believe that it has been proven that an unusual
high number of eye-blinks, made by a person WHILE SPEAKING, indicate
that the person doing the blinking (while speaking) is lying".

Also, at to the "bright lights rebuttal, why did Senator Kerry not
have rapid eye blinks WHILE SPEAKING? Wasn't he in the same room and
under the same lights as the President? Come on, that is a very poor
excuse (bright lights) to justify the blinking of the President, while
speaking.

I also did not directly say that the President was lying, I said "
look at the clips of the debate and judge for yourself". And that is
exactly what I meant - make up your mind for yourself, just keep in
mind what I said!

juny

Al Dykes wrote:

In article ,
-=jd=- wrote:
On Fri 01 Oct 2004 09:11:46p, juny wrote in message
:

On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:38:17 -0400, "Jack" wrote:

Yea but you shoulda seen the frigging retard Bush twistin in the wind
when
he couldnt come up with a half assed answer or defend himself...or the
machine gun stutter...Pure ignorance at work!

Jeeze are all republicans that ****ing retarded?

"

I believe that it has been proven that an unusual high number of
eye-blinks, made by a person while speaking, indicate that the person
doing the blinking is lying.

Whether it is true in this case, look at the clips of the debate and
judge for yourself.

juny



And if your ears are burning, then "someone is talking about you..."

And if your nose itches, "you will have visitors soon..."

And "(insert some other web-propagated nonsense here)..."

You don't have to watch for stuff like that, all you have to do is listen
to their words...

For just *one* example, didn't Kerry state something along the lines of
"he remembered (after the collapse of communisim in Russia) going down
into the basements of Treblinka and seeing all the files/documents with
peoples names on them..."


He meant Lubyanka. I could make that mistake.

You make a lot of mistakes, Al.

I bet he's been to both,
and both made a deep impression on him.

Better check Al, that may not be true.

Georgie's been to neither.

That's the worst gaff of the night on Kery's part.

You can't even spell your 'boys' name right anymore. Panic attack?

OTOH, Bush said we were attacked by SH. Kerry hard to correct him.

Kerry 'hard'?

LMAO at the 'tard.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

In article , (Al Dykes)
wrote:

In article ,
-=jd=- wrote:
On Fri 01 Oct 2004 09:11:46p, juny wrote in message
:

On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:38:17 -0400, "Jack" wrote:

Yea but you shoulda seen the frigging retard Bush twistin in the wind
when
he couldnt come up with a half assed answer or defend himself...or the
machine gun stutter...Pure ignorance at work!

Jeeze are all republicans that ****ing retarded?

"

I believe that it has been proven that an unusual high number of
eye-blinks, made by a person while speaking, indicate that the person
doing the blinking is lying.

Whether it is true in this case, look at the clips of the debate and
judge for yourself.

juny



And if your ears are burning, then "someone is talking about you..."

And if your nose itches, "you will have visitors soon..."

And "(insert some other web-propagated nonsense here)..."

You don't have to watch for stuff like that, all you have to do is listen
to their words...

For just *one* example, didn't Kerry state something along the lines of
"he remembered (after the collapse of communisim in Russia) going down
into the basements of Treblinka and seeing all the files/documents with
peoples names on them..."


He meant Lubyanka. I could make that mistake. I bet he's been to both,
and both made a deep impression on him.

Was it seared in his mind?

I want to listen to the other debates but I don't know if I can tolerate
the extent of Kerry's lying.

He was dead set against Ron Reagan's escalation of the cold war to push
the USSR into defeat and wanted a nuclear freeze instead but in this
last debate he stated he would govern like Reagan and Kennedy. This man
is just sickening and does not tell the truth about anything but then he
is a very convincing lier isn't he.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
news:telamon_spamshield-

He was dead set against Ron Reagan's escalation of the cold war to push
the USSR into defeat and wanted a nuclear freeze instead but in this
last debate he stated he would govern like Reagan and Kennedy. This man
is just sickening and does not tell the truth about anything

Neither did Billy the twit and they elected him, twice. Character makes no
difference anymore.

juny wrote:

On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 06:37:55 -0400, "Mark S. Holden"
wrote:


juny wrote:


I believe that it has been proven that an unusual high number of
eye-blinks, made by a person while speaking, indicate that the person
doing the blinking is lying.

Whether it is true in this case, look at the clips of the debate and
judge for yourself.

juny


In the clips used in the DNC "Faces of Frustration" video, the person
who is talking is Senator Kerry.

I'm not sure what inferences you can draw about the President blinking
while listening to his opponent.



I did NOT say that the President blinked while listening to his
opponent, I said " I believe that it has been proven that an unusual
high number of eye-blinks, made by a person WHILE SPEAKING, indicate
that the person doing the blinking (while speaking) is lying".


snip

Your post implied the President was blinking while speaking.

I pointed out he was listening.

So your observation about blinking while speaking wouldn't apply to the
President in the clips.

Yea but you shoulda seen the frigging retard Bush twistin in the wind when
he couldnt come up with a half assed answer or defend himself...or the
machine gun stutter...Pure ignorance at work!

Jeeze are all republicans that ****ing retarded?

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


yojimbo wrote:

Fox News was in charge of the pool camera for the debates. They caught
some
moments of pure magic, where a picture told untold thousands of words.
Did
you see how angry Bush looked when they did cutaway shots to him early
while
Kerry answered? Whereas Kerry always looked calm and in control when
Bush
was tripping over himself? Bet Rupert got on the phone quick, because
they
stopped the cutaways to Bush as the debate progressed and the president
kept
wilting. It needs to be stressed for those who didn't get a chance to
watch
the debates that when Bush wasn't clearly dazed and confused, he looked
enraged. The contrast between the candidates couldn't have been more
pronounced. One candidate looked like a President and Commander in Chief
tonight, and it was NOT George W. Bush. I'm being kind and generous with
my
words, this was not pretty, it was devastating.

I didn't watch it on TV. It's always been my experience that it is best to
'listen', rather than 'watch'.

The President did just fine.

dxAce

juny wrote:
Also, at to the "bright lights rebuttal, why did Senator Kerry not
have rapid eye blinks WHILE SPEAKING? Wasn't he in the same room and
under the same lights as the President? Come on, that is a very poor
excuse (bright lights) to justify the blinking of the President, while
speaking.

You must really really really think we're stupid. Even liberals know
that different people react in different ways to different stimuli.
Even some rock stars wear sunglasses because they can't stand the bright
lights, even after years of getting accustomed to them.

--
"One month from today, the American dream is on the ballot." -- John Kerry, 10/2

So is the American Nightmare, Jack-F... the thought of you in the White House.
Please go back to Communist Viet Nam where you're appreciated.

On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:46:31 -0500, clifto wrote:

juny wrote:
Also, at to the "bright lights rebuttal, why did Senator Kerry not
have rapid eye blinks WHILE SPEAKING? Wasn't he in the same room and
under the same lights as the President? Come on, that is a very poor
excuse (bright lights) to justify the blinking of the President, while
speaking.

You must really really really think we're stupid. Even liberals know
that different people react in different ways to different stimuli.
Even some rock stars wear sunglasses because they can't stand the bright
lights, even after years of getting accustomed to them.

That's interesting. He (Mr. President) doesn't do the rapid eye blink
at any other time, while being under all kinds of lighting conditions
for television, yet he did it during the debate, while speaking.

By the way, I am a registered Republican and trying to express my
opinion. You don't have to be a "Liberal" to express an observation
that is contrary to yours!

juny

juny wrote:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:46:31 -0500, clifto wrote:


juny wrote:

Also, at to the "bright lights rebuttal, why did Senator Kerry not
have rapid eye blinks WHILE SPEAKING? Wasn't he in the same room and
under the same lights as the President? Come on, that is a very poor
excuse (bright lights) to justify the blinking of the President, while
speaking.

You must really really really think we're stupid. Even liberals know
that different people react in different ways to different stimuli.
Even some rock stars wear sunglasses because they can't stand the bright
lights, even after years of getting accustomed to them.


That's interesting. He (Mr. President) doesn't do the rapid eye blink
at any other time, while being under all kinds of lighting conditions
for television, yet he did it during the debate, while speaking.


You might want to take another look at that DNC video. Sen. Kerry is
the one who is talking when President Bush is blinking.

On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 22:38:25 -0400, "Mark S. Holden"
wrote:

juny wrote:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:46:31 -0500, clifto wrote:


juny wrote:

Also, at to the "bright lights rebuttal, why did Senator Kerry not
have rapid eye blinks WHILE SPEAKING? Wasn't he in the same room and
under the same lights as the President? Come on, that is a very poor
excuse (bright lights) to justify the blinking of the President, while
speaking.

You must really really really think we're stupid. Even liberals know
that different people react in different ways to different stimuli.
Even some rock stars wear sunglasses because they can't stand the bright
lights, even after years of getting accustomed to them.


That's interesting. He (Mr. President) doesn't do the rapid eye blink
at any other time, while being under all kinds of lighting conditions
for television, yet he did it during the debate, while speaking.


You might want to take another look at that DNC video. Sen. Kerry is
the one who is talking when President Bush is blinking.

OK, thanks, I will.

juny

juny wrote:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:46:31 -0500, clifto wrote:

You must really really really think we're stupid. Even liberals know
that different people react in different ways to different stimuli.
Even some rock stars wear sunglasses because they can't stand the bright
lights, even after years of getting accustomed to them.

That's interesting. He (Mr. President) doesn't do the rapid eye blink
at any other time, while being under all kinds of lighting conditions
for television, yet he did it during the debate, while speaking.

So you're saying that he only blinked when he had to focus his eyes in
a particular way in a particular direction and have them look good, not
when he could avert them to any dimly-lit object and relax them.

With every post you make it more obvious that you've never been under
a half-million watts of light. Certainly you're not oversensitive to
really bright sunlight and don't wear sunglasses as much for light as
for looks.

--
"One month from today, the American dream is on the ballot." -- John Kerry, 10/2

So is the American Nightmare, Jack-F... the thought of you in the White House.
Please go back to Communist Viet Nam where you're appreciated.

Mark S. Holden wrote:
juny wrote:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:46:31 -0500, clifto wrote:
You must really really really think we're stupid. Even liberals know
that different people react in different ways to different stimuli.
Even some rock stars wear sunglasses because they can't stand the bright
lights, even after years of getting accustomed to them.

That's interesting. He (Mr. President) doesn't do the rapid eye blink
at any other time, while being under all kinds of lighting conditions
for television, yet he did it during the debate, while speaking.

You might want to take another look at that DNC video. Sen. Kerry is
the one who is talking when President Bush is blinking.

That reinforces my point. Bush apparently allowed himself the luxury of
washing his eyeballs with tears, and shading them intermittently from
the light, when he could do so without looking funny to the cameras.

--
"One month from today, the American dream is on the ballot." -- John Kerry, 10/2

So is the American Nightmare, Jack-F... the thought of you in the White House.
Please go back to Communist Viet Nam where you're appreciated.