any help would be great.

www.moveon.org stop the republicans!

Degen 1103 (eBay) about $70 delivered - (Most sensitive small portable and
has SSB)

Grundig S-350 $99.95 at Radio Shack, often cheaper in certain catalog
outlets or as Tecsun BCL2000 on eBay (Analog, some images, mostly out of
band, great sensitivity and sound, no ssb)

Sangean SG-622 $40 approx (smallish analog no SSB)

Kaito WRX-911 $30 (tiny pocket sized analog with decent performance for
price and size)

Grundig FR-200 $40 (Wind up with light/mediocre as radio)

Jay


"andrew cool" wrote in message
...
any help would be great.

www.moveon.org stop the republicans!

All these seem like good choices. I'd only add the Grundig Mini World
100 PE to the list. ($30 @ Radio Shack, analog, pocket size, decent for
the price and size).

About the Degen 1103. . . Not sure. . . Isn't that the one Bro. Stair
"gives away" - for an $80 offering. If you're in need of a tax
deduction you might consider that. You'd have no sales tax on it. You
CAN'T say you want to BUY or ORDER the radio. You have to tell him you
are sending an OFFERING and then REQUEST the radio if he still has them
available. This way he avoids paying state sales tax on it as well. I
don't know what other benefits he has except to possibly be exempt from
some kind of sales tax audit. He is very adamant about the wording of
the request, but you can get a tax break from it - if needed.

Al

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Jay wrote:

Degen 1103 (eBay) about $70 delivered - (Most sensitive small portable and
has SSB)

Grundig S-350 $99.95 at Radio Shack, often cheaper in certain catalog
outlets or as Tecsun BCL2000 on eBay (Analog, some images, mostly out of
band, great sensitivity and sound, no ssb)

Sangean SG-622 $40 approx (smallish analog no SSB)

Kaito WRX-911 $30 (tiny pocket sized analog with decent performance for
price and size)

Grundig FR-200 $40 (Wind up with light/mediocre as radio)

Jay


"andrew cool" wrote in message
...

any help would be great.

www.moveon.org stop the republicans!

"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...
All these seem like good choices. I'd only add the Grundig Mini World
100 PE to the list. ($30 @ Radio Shack, analog, pocket size, decent for
the price and size).

About the Degen 1103. . . Not sure. . . Isn't that the one Bro. Stair
"gives away" - for an $80 offering. If you're in need of a tax
deduction you might consider that. You'd have no sales tax on it. You
CAN'T say you want to BUY or ORDER the radio. You have to tell him you
are sending an OFFERING and then REQUEST the radio if he still has them
available. This way he avoids paying state sales tax on it as well. I
don't know what other benefits he has except to possibly be exempt from
some kind of sales tax audit. He is very adamant about the wording of
the request, but you can get a tax break from it - if needed.

Al



That DX-440 is a good cheap set too used.


--
73 and good DXing.
Brian
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire!
Zumbrota, Southern MN
Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/

"andrew cool" wrote in message
...
any help would be great.

Yep-- the Degen DE1103, the Degen DE1102 are great buys in that price range.
Look on eBay for the seller, liypn. He's in China and gets these radios
direct from the factory. His prices and service are excellent.

Jackie

"Al Patrick" wrote

About the Degen 1103. . . Not sure. . . Isn't that the one Bro. Stair
"gives away" - for an $80 offering. If you're in need of a tax
deduction you might consider that. You'd have no sales tax on it. You
CAN'T say you want to BUY or ORDER the radio. You have to tell him you
are sending an OFFERING and then REQUEST the radio if he still has them
available. This way he avoids paying state sales tax on it as well. I
don't know what other benefits he has except to possibly be exempt from
some kind of sales tax audit. He is very adamant about the wording of
the request, but you can get a tax break from it - if needed.

*If* this brother-stair is a registered 501(c)3 charitable organization
(tax-exempt, not just a non-profit organization), then you could deduct from
federal and state income an amount equal to your contribution (minus) the
fair value of the radio given in exchange. You would be required by any
state of domicile that has a sales tax, to declare the same difference and
pay "Use Tax" on it. Does he explain this in his claim of tax breaks?

Jack

He doesn't mention the tax angle at all. He emphasizes that it is an
OFFERING you are sending. Then, if you request it, he will send you a
radio so you can better hear his broadcasts or so you can provide a
means for a friend to hear his broadcasts.

Jack Painter wrote:
"Al Patrick" wrote


About the Degen 1103. . . Not sure. . . Isn't that the one Bro. Stair
"gives away" - for an $80 offering. If you're in need of a tax
deduction you might consider that. You'd have no sales tax on it. You
CAN'T say you want to BUY or ORDER the radio. You have to tell him you
are sending an OFFERING and then REQUEST the radio if he still has them
available. This way he avoids paying state sales tax on it as well. I
don't know what other benefits he has except to possibly be exempt from
some kind of sales tax audit. He is very adamant about the wording of
the request, but you can get a tax break from it - if needed.


*If* this brother-stair is a registered 501(c)3 charitable organization
(tax-exempt, not just a non-profit organization), then you could deduct from
federal and state income an amount equal to your contribution (minus) the
fair value of the radio given in exchange. You would be required by any
state of domicile that has a sales tax, to declare the same difference and
pay "Use Tax" on it. Does he explain this in his claim of tax breaks?

Jack

"Al Patrick" wrote
He doesn't mention the tax angle at all. He emphasizes that it is an
OFFERING you are sending. Then, if you request it, he will send you a
radio so you can better hear his broadcasts or so you can provide a
means for a friend to hear his broadcasts.

One of the worst (in a long line of stupid things that America's church
leadership have done) was to make the churches beholden to the government.
This happened when they became "tax exempt". Ever since, you could argue
that there is a stonger state-and-church relationship than church-and-state.
There is nothing to separate when the government can control the financial
operations of the church, and that they do.

The Infernal Revenue Code actually describes that the value of a MEAL must
be considered income in offset to any charitable deduction that involved
participants having dinner at a charity funcion held in a church. Tickets
sold for that "dinner" are of course to benefit one of the church's
charitable efforts, and the meals may even be DONATED by VOLUNTEERS - but
the IRS says there is a value in that meal that must be deducted from the
"charity" that ticket-buyers are allowed to deduct.

Now, when "activist" churches (pretend "brother stair" is one, I don't know
him) start preaching that government is evil, unconstitutional, should be
disobeyed, etc., the government that these churches are beholden to usually
acts back. IRS is pretty fast to act on inconsistencies in a church's use of
it's tax exemption under 501(c)3. And it is EASY to find any American a
lawbreaker with respect to taxes, on any return or business they examine.
I'm just observing that this obvious play on words that Stair thinks he is
pulling by mailing "free" radios to anyone whos asks (after a fixed-amount
donation, of course) could get him in a lot of trouble. And state sales tax
agencies could even harrass supporters of him by reaching across state lines
(all 50 states have this agreement) and discovering who didn't pay Sales &
Use tax on the radios. The same supporters who made improper deductions
could have federal and state income tax issues. No matter how trivial that
sounds, once an audit is underway, other things "turn up". This is just a
speculative example of what does happen to organizations of both charitable
and non-profit construction who make complaints about our goverment's
behavior. And it has nothing to do with President Bush or any five of his
predecessors. It is a situation that has been developing for a long, long
time, and runs much deeper than any party lines. Members of Congress from
*either* side of the isle who complain about these practices have strange
misfortunes befall their careers.

If there was one thing I would hope conservatives and liberals alike would
be willing to lay all their other differences aside for (besides REAL
security threats that is), I would hope it would be to unravel to the very
rotten core that is our income tax.

73,
Jack Painter


Jack Painter wrote:
"Al Patrick" wrote


About the Degen 1103. . . Not sure. . . Isn't that the one Bro. Stair
"gives away" - for an $80 offering. If you're in need of a tax
deduction you might consider that. You'd have no sales tax on it. You
CAN'T say you want to BUY or ORDER the radio. You have to tell him you
are sending an OFFERING and then REQUEST the radio if he still has them
available. This way he avoids paying state sales tax on it as well. I
don't know what other benefits he has except to possibly be exempt from
some kind of sales tax audit. He is very adamant about the wording of
the request, but you can get a tax break from it - if needed.


*If* this brother-stair is a registered 501(c)3 charitable organization
(tax-exempt, not just a non-profit organization), then you could deduct
from
federal and state income an amount equal to your contribution (minus)
the
fair value of the radio given in exchange. You would be required by any
state of domicile that has a sales tax, to declare the same difference
and
pay "Use Tax" on it. Does he explain this in his claim of tax breaks?

Jack

I failed to mention previously that it is not a "fixed" amount. He
makes sure he emphasizes AT LEAST an $80 offering. I'm sure he can show
where others have sent in $100, $125, even up to $400 or more and simply
"requested" a shortwave radio. So there is a MINIMUM amount, but not a
FIXED amount.

I agree that a 501 (C) 3 status is binding on the organization, much
more than on the government. Do you suppose the new link between tax
exempt organizations and charity that Mr. Bush brought out is intended
to bind that organization a bit tighter to the government? I'm sure it
saves the government a lot of money on the distribution end. It also
makes the organization feel good about what it is able to do. However,
I think it, in general, will get "used" to handling a certain volume of
moneys and will just be bound a bit tighter to the wishes of the
government. No man can serve two masters!

Al

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Jack Painter wrote:

"Al Patrick" wrote

He doesn't mention the tax angle at all. He emphasizes that it is an
OFFERING you are sending. Then, if you request it, he will send you a
radio so you can better hear his broadcasts or so you can provide a
means for a friend to hear his broadcasts.


One of the worst (in a long line of stupid things that America's church
leadership have done) was to make the churches beholden to the government.
This happened when they became "tax exempt". Ever since, you could argue
that there is a stonger state-and-church relationship than church-and-state.
There is nothing to separate when the government can control the financial
operations of the church, and that they do.

"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:I2%9d.9008$Lo6.7247@fed1read03...


[snip]


Now, when "activist" churches (pretend "brother stair" is one, I don't
know
him) start preaching that government is evil, unconstitutional, should be
disobeyed, etc., the government that these churches are beholden to
usually
acts back.

That's one of James Lloyd's favorite rants. He says all the 501c3 churches
are working with the "beast".


. No matter how trivial that
sounds, once an audit is underway, other things "turn up". This is just a
speculative example of what does happen to organizations of both
charitable
and non-profit construction who make complaints about our goverment's
behavior.

[snip]

Sure, but the IRS has never picked a fight with a first rate demagog such as
Brother Stair. Seemingly open and shut cases just won't stick to the Teflon
Prophet.




If there was one thing I would hope conservatives and liberals alike would
be willing to lay all their other differences aside for (besides REAL
security threats that is), I would hope it would be to unravel to the very
rotten core that is our income tax.

73,
Jack Painter