Frank White wrote:

In article , says...

Steve Quayle ( http://www.stevequayle.com ) was telling tonight that
there had been numerous events of TV stations (? radio also) being
broken into. I don't recall all the details but he may have something
posted on his web site. Supposition is that when the U.S. is attacked
the next time -- and there will be a next time -- numerous stations will
be taken over and a propaganda film will be shown instead of being able
to see the whole event as with the 9/11 event. The next one is expected
to be much wider spread.


Just out of curiosity, how would that stop those of us with
shortwave radios from tuning into foreign newscasts and finding
out what's going on?

Therein might lie the key!

Al Patrick wrote:

Just out of curiosity, how would that stop those of us with
shortwave radios from tuning into foreign newscasts and finding
out what's going on?


Therein might lie the key!


Is this why the broadband over powerlines is getting all set to ruin
reception? What about the new digital broadcast technology? You need a
subscription. If it's an encrypted key card used, then it's an easy
matter to trace who is listening to what...just like the IP control
numbers of your web cruising.

The US government recently shutting down independent news web sites
around the world doesn't look too good either. This is what a Stalinist
state does, not the home of Jefferson, Franklin and all the others...




mike

m II wrote:

Al Patrick wrote:

Just out of curiosity, how would that stop those of us with
shortwave radios from tuning into foreign newscasts and finding
out what's going on?


Therein might lie the key!

Is this why the broadband over powerlines is getting all set to ruin
reception? What about the new digital broadcast technology? You need a
subscription. If it's an encrypted key card used, then it's an easy
matter to trace who is listening to what...just like the IP control
numbers of your web cruising.

The US government recently shutting down independent news web sites
around the world doesn't look too good either. This is what a Stalinist
state does, not the home of Jefferson, Franklin and all the others...

But... it's not your home is it, 'tard boy?

Keep buying those leaky, rusty submarines that your 'canoe' navy doesn't know
how to operate.

LMAO.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"m II" wrote in message
news:Atbbd.36945$663.20268@edtnps84...
Al Patrick wrote:

Just out of curiosity, how would that stop those of us with
shortwave radios from tuning into foreign newscasts and finding
out what's going on?


Therein might lie the key!


Is this why the broadband over powerlines is getting all set to ruin
reception? What about the new digital broadcast technology? You need
a
subscription. If it's an encrypted key card used, then it's an easy
matter to trace who is listening to what...just like the IP control
numbers of your web cruising.

The US government recently shutting down independent news web sites
around the world doesn't look too good either. This is what a
Stalinist
state does, not the home of Jefferson, Franklin and all the
others...


I think you left out a few things that a Stalinist state does that the
U.S. does not do.

m II wrote:

Al Patrick wrote:

Just out of curiosity, how would that stop those of us with
shortwave radios from tuning into foreign newscasts and finding
out what's going on?



Therein might lie the key!


The US government recently shutting down independent news web sites
around the world doesn't look too good either. This is what a Stalinist
state does, not the home of Jefferson, Franklin and all the others...

Can you post some sources of these independent news web sites around the
world being shut down by the US government?

"Sir Cumferenc" wrote in message
...
m II wrote:

Al Patrick wrote:

Just out of curiosity, how would that stop those of us with
shortwave radios from tuning into foreign newscasts and finding
out what's going on?



Therein might lie the key!


The US government recently shutting down independent news web sites
around the world doesn't look too good either. This is what a Stalinist
state does, not the home of Jefferson, Franklin and all the others...

Can you post some sources of these independent news web sites around the
world being shut down by the US government?


I have lost the original link, but here's one of the many sites that mirror
the following article, along with related links.

http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/190952.html

From the IndyMedia website:

Thursday morning, US authorities issued a federal order to Rackspace
ordering them to hand over Indymedia web servers to the requesting agency.
Rackspace, which provides hosting services for more that 20 Indymedia sites
at its London facility, complied and turned over the requested servers,
effectively removing those sites from the internet.

Since the subpoena was issued to Rackspace and not to Indymedia, the reasons
for this action are still unknown to Indymedia. Talking to Indymedia
volunteers, Rackspace stated that "they cannot provide Indymedia with any
information regarding the order." ISPs have received gag orders in similar
situations which prevent them from updating the concerned parties on what is
happening.

It is unclear to Indymedia how and why a server that is outside the US
jurisdiction can be seized by US authorities.

At the same time an additional server was taken down at Rackspace which
provided streaming radio to several radio stations, BLAG (linux distro), and
a handful of miscellanous things.

The last few months have seen numerous attacks on independent media by the
US Federal Government. In August the Secret Service used a subpoena in an
attempt to disrupt the NYC IMC before the RNC by trying to get IP logs from
an ISP in the US and the Netherlands. Last month the FCC shut down community
radio stations around the US. Two weeks ago the FBI requested that Indymedia
takes down a post on the Nantes IMC that had a photo of some undercover
Swiss police and IMC volunteers in Seattle were visited by the FBI on the
same issue. On the other hand, Indymedia and other independent media
organisations were successfull with their victories for example against
Diebold and the Patroit Act. Today however, the US authorities shut down
IMCs around the world.

The list of affected local media collectives includes Ambazonia, Uruguay,
Andorra, Poland, Western Massachusetts, Nice, Nantes, Lilles, Marseille (all
France), Euskal Herria (Basque Country), Liege, East and West Vlaanderen,
Antwerpen (all Belgium), Belgrade, Portugal, Prague, Galiza, Italy, Brazil,
UK, part of the Germany site, and the global Indymedia Radio site.

It sounds like you're a victim of media propaganda. The article you
quoteed says that the U.S. government seized Indymedia servers so that
Indymedia wasn't able to update anything.

Yet the article you quote says that the article is from Indymedia.

which means that Indymedia was able to update their servers after this
so-called seizure of Indymedia's servers.


you fell for media propagada lies.

you wrote:

I have lost the original link, but here's one of the many sites that
mirror the following article, along with related links.

http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/190952.html

From the IndyMedia website:

Thursday morning, US authorities issued a federal order to Rackspace
ordering them to hand over Indymedia web servers to the requesting
agency. Rackspace, which provides hosting services for more that 20
Indymedia sites at its London facility, complied and turned over the
requested servers, effectively removing those sites from the internet.

Since the subpoena was issued to Rackspace and not to Indymedia, the
reasons for this action are still unknown to Indymedia. Talking to
Indymedia volunteers, Rackspace stated that "they cannot provide
Indymedia with any information regarding the order." ISPs have received
gag orders in similar situations which prevent them from updating the
concerned parties on what is happening.

It is unclear to Indymedia how and why a server that is outside the US
jurisdiction can be seized by US authorities.

At the same time an additional server was taken down at Rackspace which
provided streaming radio to several radio stations, BLAG (linux distro),
and a handful of miscellanous things.

The last few months have seen numerous
attacks on independent media by the US Federal Government. In August the
Secret Service used a subpoena in an attempt to disrupt the NYC IMC
before the RNC by trying to get IP logs from an ISP in the US and the
Netherlands. Last month the FCC shut down community radio stations
around the US. Two weeks ago the FBI requested that Indymedia takes down
a post on the Nantes IMC that had a photo of some undercover Swiss
police and IMC volunteers in Seattle were visited by the FBI on the same
issue. On the other hand, Indymedia and other independent media
organisations were successfull with their victories for example against
Diebold and the Patroit Act. Today however, the US authorities shut down
IMCs around the world.

The list of affected local media collectives includes Ambazonia,
Uruguay, Andorra, Poland, Western Massachusetts, Nice, Nantes, Lilles,
Marseille (all France), Euskal Herria (Basque Country), Liege, East and
West Vlaanderen, Antwerpen (all Belgium), Belgrade, Portugal, Prague,
Galiza, Italy, Brazil, UK, part of the Germany site, and the global
Indymedia Radio site.

In my opinion, Brenda fell for media propaganda lies.

If the U.S. government seized Indymedia servers before Indymedia knew
about it, (as stated in this article from Indymedia) so that Indymedia
wasn't able to update their sites with anything, then Indymedia would
not have been able to update or print up this article that is from
Indymedia.

And the U.S. government would definitely not have printed it up if they
didn't want anyone to know about it. Especially since it's unfavorable
to them.


Brenda wrote:

I have lost the original link, but here's one of the many sites that
mirror the following article, along with related links.

http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/190952.html

From the IndyMedia website:

Thursday morning, US authorities issued a federal order to Rackspace
ordering them to hand over Indymedia web servers to the requesting
agency. Rackspace, which provides hosting services for more that 20
Indymedia sites at its London facility, complied and turned over the
requested servers, effectively removing those sites from the internet.

Since the subpoena was issued to Rackspace and not to Indymedia, the
reasons for this action are still unknown to Indymedia. Talking to
Indymedia volunteers, Rackspace stated that "they cannot provide
Indymedia with any information regarding the order." ISPs have received
gag orders in similar situations which prevent them from updating the
concerned parties on what is happening.

It is unclear to Indymedia how and why a server that is outside the US
jurisdiction can be seized by US authorities.

At the same time an additional server was taken down at Rackspace which
provided streaming radio to several radio stations, BLAG (linux distro),
and a handful of miscellanous things.

The last few months have seen numerous attacks on independent media by
the US Federal Government. In August the Secret Service used a subpoena
in an attempt to disrupt the NYC IMC before the RNC by trying to get IP
logs from an ISP in the US and the Netherlands. Last month the FCC shut
down community radio stations around the US. Two weeks ago the FBI
requested that Indymedia takes down a post on the Nantes IMC that had a
photo of some undercover Swiss police and IMC volunteers in Seattle were
visited by the FBI on the same issue. On the other hand, Indymedia and
other independent media organisations were successfull with their
victories for example against Diebold and the Patroit Act. Today
however, the US authorities shut down IMCs around the world.

The list of affected local media collectives includes Ambazonia,
Uruguay, Andorra, Poland, Western Massachusetts, Nice, Nantes, Lilles,
Marseille (all France), Euskal Herria (Basque Country), Liege, East and
West Vlaanderen, Antwerpen (all Belgium), Belgrade, Portugal, Prague,
Galiza, Italy, Brazil, UK, part of the Germany site, and the global
Indymedia Radio site.

In my opinion, Brenda fell for media propaganda lies.

If the U.S. government seized Indymedia servers before Indymedia knew
about it, (as stated in this article from Indymedia) so that Indymedia
wasn't able to update their sites with anything, then Indymedia would
not have been able to update or print up this article that is from
Indymedia.

And the U.S. government would definitely not have printed it up if they
didn't want anyone to know about it. Especially since it's unfavorable
to them.


Brenda wrote:

I have lost the original link, but here's one of the many sites that
mirror the following article, along with related links.

http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/190952.html

From the IndyMedia website:

Thursday morning, US authorities issued a federal order to Rackspace
ordering them to hand over Indymedia web servers to the requesting
agency. Rackspace, which provides hosting services for more that 20
Indymedia sites at its London facility, complied and turned over the
requested servers, effectively removing those sites from the internet.

Since the subpoena was issued to Rackspace and not to Indymedia, the
reasons for this action are still unknown to Indymedia. Talking to
Indymedia volunteers, Rackspace stated that "they cannot provide
Indymedia with any information regarding the order." ISPs have received
gag orders in similar situations which prevent them from updating the
concerned parties on what is happening.

It is unclear to Indymedia how and why a server that is outside the US
jurisdiction can be seized by US authorities.

At the same time an additional server was taken down at Rackspace which
provided streaming radio to several radio stations, BLAG (linux distro),
and a handful of miscellanous things.

The last few months have seen numerous attacks on independent media by
the US Federal Government. In August the Secret Service used a subpoena
in an attempt to disrupt the NYC IMC before the RNC by trying to get IP
logs from an ISP in the US and the Netherlands. Last month the FCC shut
down community radio stations around the US. Two weeks ago the FBI
requested that Indymedia takes down a post on the Nantes IMC that had a
photo of some undercover Swiss police and IMC volunteers in Seattle were
visited by the FBI on the same issue. On the other hand, Indymedia and
other independent media organisations were successfull with their
victories for example against Diebold and the Patroit Act. Today
however, the US authorities shut down IMCs around the world.

The list of affected local media collectives includes Ambazonia,
Uruguay, Andorra, Poland, Western Massachusetts, Nice, Nantes, Lilles,
Marseille (all France), Euskal Herria (Basque Country), Liege, East and
West Vlaanderen, Antwerpen (all Belgium), Belgrade, Portugal, Prague,
Galiza, Italy, Brazil, UK, part of the Germany site, and the global
Indymedia Radio site.

Since it is impossible for Indymedia to have updated their site with
this article if the so-called facts in the article are true,

it is very obvious that the site is still being run by Indymedia and
very obvious it is all Indymedia's propaganda lies against the U.S
------------------------------------------------------

From the IndyMedia website:

Thursday morning, US authorities issued a federal order to Rackspace
ordering them to hand over Indymedia web servers to the requesting
agency. Rackspace, which provides hosting services for more that 20
Indymedia sites at its London facility, complied and turned over the
requested servers, effectively removing those sites from the internet.

Since the subpoena was issued to Rackspace and not to Indymedia, the
reasons for this action are still unknown to Indymedia. Talking to
Indymedia volunteers, Rackspace stated that "they cannot provide
Indymedia with any information regarding the order." ISPs have received
gag orders in similar situations which prevent them from updating the
concerned parties on what is happening.

It is unclear to Indymedia how and why a server that is outside the US
jurisdiction can be seized by US authorities.

At the same time an additional server was taken down at Rackspace which
provided streaming radio to several radio stations, BLAG (linux distro),
and a handful of miscellanous things.

The last few months have seen numerous attacks on independent media by
the US Federal Government. In August the Secret Service used a subpoena
in an attempt to disrupt the NYC IMC before the RNC by trying to get IP
logs from an ISP in the US and the Netherlands. Last month the FCC shut
down community radio stations around the US. Two weeks ago the FBI
requested that Indymedia takes down a post on the Nantes IMC that had a
photo of some undercover Swiss police and IMC volunteers in Seattle were
visited by the FBI on the same issue. On the other hand, Indymedia and
other independent media organisations were successfull with their
victories for example against Diebold and the Patroit Act. Today
however, the US authorities shut down IMCs around the world.

The list of affected local media collectives includes Ambazonia,
Uruguay, Andorra, Poland, Western Massachusetts, Nice, Nantes, Lilles,
Marseille (all France), Euskal Herria (Basque Country), Liege, East and
West Vlaanderen, Antwerpen (all Belgium), Belgrade, Portugal, Prague,
Galiza, Italy, Brazil, UK, part of the Germany site, and the global
Indymedia Radio site.