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Bob W. wrote:

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In article , "GR_Magic"
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At least we'd have health insurance there.

Why don't you have health insurance here?



If you're like my brother who has rheumatoid arthritis and works for
himself, it's $1100 per month. Try affording that.

That is a lot. And this could happen to anyone. I fail to see what the
Right has against socialized medicine.

--
M2

It's obvious why any American that doesn't have Marxist leanings would
dislike socialized medicine...it's "socialized." That is a form of the
word
"socialism." That's not what we are (remember, it didn't work...that
whole
USSR thing, you know?). I shouldn't have to pay for your healthcare and
you
shouldn't have to pay for mine.

And yet, that is exactly what medical insurance is! You all pay into the
same pool and then people draw it out as needed. Your rate is not based
upon your need for medical care (unless you have a known pre-existing
condition they can charge you extra for) it's based upon how much the
insurance company needs to cover EVERYONE's costs (plus a profit).

In this country we work to improve
ourselves. The amount of work we put into that endeavor determines our
success.

Not really. A minimum wage earner can (and many do) work harder and longer
than the rest of us and it is not the sole determiner of their success.
Your job type, your skill and intelligence, your training and often your
"head start" (friends, family, inheritance, etc) determine your success.
How hard you work can help overcome the lack of one of these elements but
very rarely is sufficient on its own.

In this country, generally as a matter of socio-economic and
English common law principle, no one is either responsible or culpable for
another's decisions or their down-right implicated existance (unless
you're
a liberal that feels that no one can exist without someone else holding
their hand). It's worked until now, let's not screw it up by thinking
we're
so much more enlightened now than our forefathers were.

How our forefathers "were" was as much a product of the amount of wealth in
their generation as anything else.

By the way, check
it out...Canadian healthcare totally sucks (so does French, British, et.
al.)! People there are going to veterinarians to get certain healthcare
because they don't have to wait for months just to get mediocre treatment.
I will say this if it puts things in perspective, the American healthcare
system is the worst in the world except for every other one. It's a shame
(it really is) that some people don't have health insurance. There were
times when I didn't but you know what? When I got the bill, I paid it.
Sometimes in full, more often than not a little at a time. Get a job,
work
hard, make money, save money, invest money. You know, the whole American
way of life thing. It really works. As far a Canadian healthcare
failure...when you take away profit, you take away the impetous to
progress.

-Frateshaykr

From my perspective within the medical products industry, the main problem
with our health care system is a combination of government regulations and
people's unwillingness to accept risk (in their health care). The amount of
extra work we have to do to "prove" our product is safe amounts to at least
half the cost of the product. And frequently the so-called "proof" is
illusionary.

Bob W.