Their schedule changed last weekend OCT 31. I usually listen to them on
the weekends.

On Saturday and Sunday 19:00 to 21:00 UTC
17875
17725
15315

The 15315 frequency has not changed but they just moved off of 17660 and
17735. Generally the highest frequency is the best for me but they are
usually very good on all three with no background noise or interference
sounding like a local BCB station so who needs DRM.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

6165 (best) and 9845 (if memory serves, this is close if not right) work
well later in local evening for me starting at ~0400 UTC (when I get around
to listening). You and I had this conversation before. You receive better
with higher frqs and me with lower. But I agree with you with no need for
DRM. I can pick this up on the YB400 in the kitchen with a whip, with only
a bit of fading. Normally use the IC R-75 with the 100 m 'round the house
antenna, and it's first rate reception.

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 03:16 pm, Telamon
posted to rec.radio.shortwave:
%MM

Their schedule changed last weekend OCT 31. I usually listen to them on
the weekends.

On Saturday and Sunday 19:00 to 21:00 UTC
17875
17725
15315

The 15315 frequency has not changed but they just moved off of 17660 and
17735. Generally the highest frequency is the best for me but they are
usually very good on all three with no background noise or interference
sounding like a local BCB station so who needs DRM.

uncle arnie wrote in message ...
6165 (best) and 9845 (if memory serves, this is close if not right) work
well later in local evening for me starting at ~0400 UTC (when I get around
to listening). You and I had this conversation before. You receive better
with higher frqs and me with lower. But I agree with you with no need for
DRM. I can pick this up on the YB400 in the kitchen with a whip, with only
a bit of fading. Normally use the IC R-75 with the 100 m 'round the house
antenna, and it's first rate reception.

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 03:16 pm, Telamon
posted to rec.radio.shortwave:
%MM

Their schedule changed last weekend OCT 31. I usually listen to them on
the weekends.

On Saturday and Sunday 19:00 to 21:00 UTC
17875
17725
15315

The 15315 frequency has not changed but they just moved off of 17660 and
17735. Generally the highest frequency is the best for me but they are
usually very good on all three with no background noise or interference
sounding like a local BCB station so who needs DRM.

Even on my 30' degenerate a-directional slopwire and any radio with
HF, their 6165 freq slams in here like the TX is in my house...I can
hardly turn down the gain enough. I'm in CA. Their 31-meter freq
isn't as good at the same time.

Apart from my local 50 kw MW station a scant 2 miles away on the SF
Bay plain, no other broadcast powers in here like the Bonaire 6165
broadcasts. For that matter, no other African station kicks butt here
like their 250 kw Madagascar relay - it's almost like a local
too...and it's almost antipodal.

Bruce Jensen

Speaking of RN, it has been fascinating the last week or so since
iconoclast and outspoken critic Theo Van Gogh was assassinated by an
Islamist extremist, to hear what the RN programmers have been saying
about the event and what it means for Holland. Sounds like they are
beginning to seriously thrash around with the nasty immigration and
cultural issues that have been plaguing the U.S. for the last three
years. Hopefully, RN will keep at this for some time longer - to help
us see where they go with it, and help the few Yanks that listen to
reflect on our own last three years and what the future holds.

Bruce Jensen, a Yank with conflicting opinions on this topic.

bpnjensen wrote:

Speaking of RN, it has been fascinating the last week or so since
iconoclast and outspoken critic Theo Van Gogh was assassinated by an
Islamist extremist, to hear what the RN programmers have been saying
about the event and what it means for Holland. Sounds like they are
beginning to seriously thrash around with the nasty immigration and
cultural issues that have been plaguing the U.S. for the last three
years. Hopefully, RN will keep at this for some time longer - to help
us see where they go with it, and help the few Yanks that listen to
reflect on our own last three years and what the future holds.

Bruce Jensen, a Yank with conflicting opinions on this topic.

What makes you think these issues have only been plaguing us for the last three
years?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

I've been picking them up on 6160 kHz here just north of you. I
sometimes listen to CBC1 out of Vancouver, BC (I suppose) on 6160 kHz
in the morning after RNZI drops out and noticed one time after walking
back into shack that R.Nederlands was there (strong too)!!!


On 8 Nov 2004 07:39:28 -0800, (bpnjensen) wrote:

their 6165 freq slams

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 03:33 pm, bpnjensen posted to
rec.radio.shortwave: %MM

Speaking of RN, it has been fascinating the last week or so since
iconoclast and outspoken critic Theo Van Gogh was assassinated by an
Islamist extremist, to hear what the RN programmers have been saying
about the event and what it means for Holland. Sounds like they are
beginning to seriously thrash around with the nasty immigration and
cultural issues that have been plaguing the U.S. for the last three
years. Hopefully, RN will keep at this for some time longer - to help
us see where they go with it, and help the few Yanks that listen to
reflect on our own last three years and what the future holds.

Please keep listening, you are actually quite wrong about Holland following
the USA on immigration. It is the other way around, the USA is following
them and most of Europe.

A a former colonial power, immigration has been a big issue for the
Netherlands for at least 40-50 years. Lots of immigrants from places like
Surinam, Curacao and Indonesia. Places that were Dutch colonies. The
proportion of recent immigrants approaches 40% in some communities (by
recent, I mean foreign born). Most of Europe is like this now - birth rate
is low, only way to keep up the population is immigration. Hence the
issues with support for both sides of the Israel-Palestine conflict for
example.

dxAce wrote in message ...
bpnjensen wrote:

Speaking of RN, it has been fascinating the last week or so since
iconoclast and outspoken critic Theo Van Gogh was assassinated by an
Islamist extremist, to hear what the RN programmers have been saying
about the event and what it means for Holland. Sounds like they are
beginning to seriously thrash around with the nasty immigration and
cultural issues that have been plaguing the U.S. for the last three
years. Hopefully, RN will keep at this for some time longer - to help
us see where they go with it, and help the few Yanks that listen to
reflect on our own last three years and what the future holds.

Bruce Jensen, a Yank with conflicting opinions on this topic.

What makes you think these issues have only been plaguing us for the last three
years?

dxAce
Michigan
USA


That's not really what I said - obviously, other nations have been
thinking about it more or less, but Europe (at least parts of it) has
been seemingly allowing immigration by Muslims wholeheartedly.
However, with this event, Holland seems to have become galvanized to
finally try to reckon with it in such a way that goes beyond what they
have so far been willing to try.

Of course, we haven't been trying very hard - our porous borders let
through thousands of illegal immigrants every day. It really needs to
change if we're going to get serious. We'll see.

Bruce Jensen

uncle arnie wrote in message ...
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 03:33 pm, bpnjensen posted to
rec.radio.shortwave: %MM

Speaking of RN, it has been fascinating the last week or so since
iconoclast and outspoken critic Theo Van Gogh was assassinated by an
Islamist extremist, to hear what the RN programmers have been saying
about the event and what it means for Holland. Sounds like they are
beginning to seriously thrash around with the nasty immigration and
cultural issues that have been plaguing the U.S. for the last three
years. Hopefully, RN will keep at this for some time longer - to help
us see where they go with it, and help the few Yanks that listen to
reflect on our own last three years and what the future holds.

Please keep listening, you are actually quite wrong about Holland following
the USA on immigration. It is the other way around, the USA is following
them and most of Europe.

A a former colonial power, immigration has been a big issue for the
Netherlands for at least 40-50 years. Lots of immigrants from places like
Surinam, Curacao and Indonesia. Places that were Dutch colonies. The
proportion of recent immigrants approaches 40% in some communities (by
recent, I mean foreign born). Most of Europe is like this now - birth rate
is low, only way to keep up the population is immigration. Hence the
issues with support for both sides of the Israel-Palestine conflict for
example.

Well, that's not exactly what I said, and I'm not really talking about
that bigger picture anyway. The last three years have seen a shift in
thinking about how everybody gets along with their fellow earthlings,
with a soft focus on whether the Muslims can actually do this at all.
The assassin did not help his cause in Europe by murdering Van Gogh if
it is going to make Holland a place of major concern over the presence
of Muslims. I believe that this is a step beyond what you have
described here, and more focussed than before...Surinam and Curacao
probably never brought the threat of revolutionary terrorism home to
Holland like this one does.

That's all for me - I'll keep listening.

Bruce Jensen

The Muslim population of Netherlands is 5% of the total, according to RNL
last night.

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:15 am, bpnjensen posted to
rec.radio.shortwave: %MM


Well, that's not exactly what I said, and I'm not really talking about
that bigger picture anyway. The last three years have seen a shift in
thinking about how everybody gets along with their fellow earthlings,
with a soft focus on whether the Muslims can actually do this at all.
The assassin did not help his cause in Europe by murdering Van Gogh if
it is going to make Holland a place of major concern over the presence
of Muslims. I believe that this is a step beyond what you have
described here, and more focussed than before...Surinam and Curacao
probably never brought the threat of revolutionary terrorism home to
Holland like this one does.

That's all for me - I'll keep listening.

Bruce Jensen