"Al Patrick" wrote:
| John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father
| ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the
| truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he
| speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Al,

I just wanted to pass on a message to you:

The laundry called, and your brown shirts are ready.

73,

Steve Lawrence
Burnsville, Minnesota


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Steve,

I didn't realize you were a laundry assistant! ;-)

Here are a few other quotes to ponder - since you like them so well.

Pr 11:21 Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished:
but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered.

Pr 13:5 A righteous man hateth lying: but a wicked man is loathsome,
and cometh to shame.

Pr 13:9 The light of the righteous rejoiceth: but the lamp of the
wicked shall be put out.

Pr 15:28 The heart of the righteous studieth to answer: but the mouth
of the wicked poureth out evil things.

Pr 15:29 The LORD is far from the wicked: but he heareth the prayer of
the righteous.

Pr 18:5 It is not good to accept the person of the wicked, to overthrow
the righteous in judgment.

Pr 21:12 The righteous man wisely considereth the house of the wicked:
but God overthroweth the wicked for their wickedness.

Pr 24:15 Lay not wait, O wicked man, against the dwelling of the
righteous; spoil not his resting place:

Pr 24:24 He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous; him shall
the people curse, nations shall abhor him:

Pr 28:1 The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are
bold as a lion.

Pr 28:12 When righteous men do rejoice, there is great glory: but when
the wicked rise, a man is hidden.

Pr 28:28 When the wicked rise, men hide themselves: but when they
perish, the righteous increase.

Pr 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but
when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

Pr 29:7 The righteous considereth the cause of the poor: but the wicked
regardeth not to know it.

Pr 29:16 When the wicked are multiplied, transgression increaseth: but
the righteous shall see their fall.

Ec 3:17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the
wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

Isa 5:23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the
righteousness of the righteous from him!


Stephen M.H. Lawrence wrote:
"Al Patrick" wrote:
| John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father
| ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the
| truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he
| speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Al,

I just wanted to pass on a message to you:

The laundry called, and your brown shirts are ready.

73,

Steve Lawrence
Burnsville, Minnesota

Al Patrick wrote:
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father
ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the
truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he
speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Matthew 7:1 Judge not, so ye may not be judged.

ONe study does not prove anything. Maybe the teacher did this with his/her
own kids. What peer reviewed journal is the study published in. I hope
you don't believe everything a shyster religous nut tells you. This is
stil b.s.

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:45 pm, Al Patrick posted to
rec.radio.shortwave: %MM

"He sites a study and quotes a teacher concerning TV between the ages of
2 & 3 causing ADD at age 7+."

You don't read too well. Bro. Stair probably does a better job. ;-)

==========

uncle arnie wrote:
Bunk. First of all the diagnosis is ADHD (Attention
Deficit/Hyperactivity
Disorder), not ADD (not since DSM-IV). Second, there is no link b/n the
development of ADHD and TV. It is usually noticed in toddlerhood, before
TV
is a factor. It is neurological condition. Runs in families. In some
communities, it is over-diagnosed and inappropriate prescriptions given.
Treated in the UK with minimal medication. Treated in North America as
medicine as the first thing. Relates to drug company advertising and
schools not wanting to spend the $ on behavioral treatments and off
loading this onto drugs and parents.

I think your Pastor Peters is not qualified to diagnose, discuss etiology
or provide a review of research.

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:24 am, Al Patrick posted
to rec.radio.shortwave: %MM


Pastor Peter J. Peters was on WWCR 9.985 at 9:00 EST / 14:00 UTC and had
been catching up on his mail as he was discussing lots of little topics
which got mailed to him.

He sites a study and quotes a teacher concerning TV between the ages of
2 & 3 causing ADD at age 7+.

Lots of other topics of interest.

Oh, this same program (Dated 11/11/04, I believe) will be repeated on
12.160 MHz at 12:00 EST / 17:00 UTC and again at 11:00 pm (23:00) EST /
04:00 UTC.

He'll also be on the hour before this last mention, but that will be
different - sometimes LIVE. Also that one gets repeated at 04:00 EST /
09:00 UTC.

He's also on satellite 24/7 on Telstar 5. Look for SFAW, Scriptures For
America, etc. Don't know the exact name of the channel.

All this can be heard on the internet at
http://www.scripturesforamerica.org - I think.

Just thought some of you might like to know.

Al

The point of the posting was for YOU to be able to hear it ALL, IN
CONTEXT, FOR YOURSELF if you were interested. Apparently you were not so
I don't feel obligated to try to tell you the entire context. Anyone
can sit back and belly ache about what *they think* someone else is.
It's a whole different matter to get the data and PROVE them to be
wrong. To you it probably is B.S. I'm sure all those who hammered on
the door of the ark, if they did, after the gully washer rain came had
changed their mind. However, for some, it is too late. YOU have to
make up YOUR own mind, but don't pretend everyone else is wrong because
you can't or won't see it! :-)

uncle arnie wrote:
ONe study does not prove anything. Maybe the teacher did this with his/her
own kids. What peer reviewed journal is the study published in. I hope
you don't believe everything a shyster religous nut tells you. This is
stil b.s.

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:45 pm, Al Patrick posted to
rec.radio.shortwave: %MM


"He sites a study and quotes a teacher concerning TV between the ages of
2 & 3 causing ADD at age 7+."

You don't read too well. Bro. Stair probably does a better job. ;-)

==========

uncle arnie wrote:

Bunk. First of all the diagnosis is ADHD (Attention
Deficit/Hyperactivity
Disorder), not ADD (not since DSM-IV). Second, there is no link b/n the
development of ADHD and TV. It is usually noticed in toddlerhood, before
TV
is a factor. It is neurological condition. Runs in families. In some
communities, it is over-diagnosed and inappropriate prescriptions given.
Treated in the UK with minimal medication. Treated in North America as
medicine as the first thing. Relates to drug company advertising and
schools not wanting to spend the $ on behavioral treatments and off
loading this onto drugs and parents.

I think your Pastor Peters is not qualified to diagnose, discuss etiology
or provide a review of research.

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:24 am, Al Patrick posted
to rec.radio.shortwave: %MM



Pastor Peter J. Peters was on WWCR 9.985 at 9:00 EST / 14:00 UTC and had
been catching up on his mail as he was discussing lots of little topics
which got mailed to him.

He sites a study and quotes a teacher concerning TV between the ages of
2 & 3 causing ADD at age 7+.

Lots of other topics of interest.

Oh, this same program (Dated 11/11/04, I believe) will be repeated on
12.160 MHz at 12:00 EST / 17:00 UTC and again at 11:00 pm (23:00) EST /
04:00 UTC.

He'll also be on the hour before this last mention, but that will be
different - sometimes LIVE. Also that one gets repeated at 04:00 EST /
09:00 UTC.

He's also on satellite 24/7 on Telstar 5. Look for SFAW, Scriptures For
America, etc. Don't know the exact name of the channel.

All this can be heard on the internet at
http://www.scripturesforamerica.org - I think.

Just thought some of you might like to know.

Al

From the book of almighty subgenious Bob:
Bob 6:66 - Confucious say defecate in your pants.

"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...
Steve,

I didn't realize you were a laundry assistant! ;-)

Here are a few other quotes to ponder - since you like them so well.

Pr 11:21 Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished:
but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered.

Pr 13:5 A righteous man hateth lying: but a wicked man is loathsome, and
cometh to shame.

Pr 13:9 The light of the righteous rejoiceth: but the lamp of the wicked
shall be put out.

Pr 15:28 The heart of the righteous studieth to answer: but the mouth of
the wicked poureth out evil things.

Pr 15:29 The LORD is far from the wicked: but he heareth the prayer of
the righteous.

Pr 18:5 It is not good to accept the person of the wicked, to overthrow
the righteous in judgment.

Pr 21:12 The righteous man wisely considereth the house of the wicked:
but God overthroweth the wicked for their wickedness.

Pr 24:15 Lay not wait, O wicked man, against the dwelling of the
righteous; spoil not his resting place:

Pr 24:24 He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous; him shall the
people curse, nations shall abhor him:

Pr 28:1 The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold
as a lion.

Pr 28:12 When righteous men do rejoice, there is great glory: but when
the wicked rise, a man is hidden.

Pr 28:28 When the wicked rise, men hide themselves: but when they perish,
the righteous increase.

Pr 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when
the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

Pr 29:7 The righteous considereth the cause of the poor: but the wicked
regardeth not to know it.

Pr 29:16 When the wicked are multiplied, transgression increaseth: but
the righteous shall see their fall.

Ec 3:17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the
wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

Isa 5:23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the
righteousness of the righteous from him!


Stephen M.H. Lawrence wrote:
"Al Patrick" wrote:
| John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father
| ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the
| truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he
| speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Al,

I just wanted to pass on a message to you:

The laundry called, and your brown shirts are ready.

73,

Steve Lawrence
Burnsville, Minnesota

Honus wrote:
"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...

b i g s n i p

NO such things
as nuclear energy such that the skin can melt off a man while he yet
stands, along with his eyes and tongue melting out of his head!


More hyperbole. You're basically describing a massive amount of heat. Why
not? They tried to say that the entire planet was buried under a massive
amount of water. I'm surprised they didn't bring up anything about massive
amounts of ice, too. (Besides hail stones.) Oh, wait. Why would they? They
encounter all of those other phenomena in the Middle East...but ice ages,
no. Hmmm. Kind of telling, don't you think?

Check out:

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite
all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall
consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall
consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in
their mouth.

"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...
Honus wrote:
"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...

b i g s n i p

NO such things
as nuclear energy such that the skin can melt off a man while he yet
stands, along with his eyes and tongue melting out of his head!


More hyperbole. You're basically describing a massive amount of heat.
Why
not? They tried to say that the entire planet was buried under a massive
amount of water. I'm surprised they didn't bring up anything about
massive
amounts of ice, too. (Besides hail stones.) Oh, wait. Why would they?
They
encounter all of those other phenomena in the Middle East...but ice
ages,
no. Hmmm. Kind of telling, don't you think?

Check out:

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite
all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall
consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall
consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in
their mouth.

Ah, I see. I made a mistake...this wasn't a one time instantaneous event, it
was a -plague-. Sounds like a disease of some sort to me. As a matter of
fact, I've got a translation here that flat out calls it a disease.You seem
to think that it's some sort of nuclear cataclysm. When was the last time
Jehovah nuked anybody, because that's what the verse says according to your
view. "...the Lord will smite...." Oh, wait...I forgot. It's not what the
verse says that matters, it's what you want it to say.

I notice that it says the "plague" will nail ALL of the people that have
fought Israel. A novel twist on the neutron bomb, perhaps? Only kills Jew
haters, and leaves the rest standing? If that's the case, then I'd say that
you're pretty much screwed, anti-Semite that you are. ;)

Here's one for -you- to check out:

Judges 1:19 King James Version

"And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the
mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because
they had chariots of iron."

Seems to me a little nuke ought to have come in handy right about then.
Maybe Einstein and Oppenheimer made it through the Pearly Gates, and God's
been able to improve his arsenal.

Considering the fact that he was originally a tribal war god, Jehovah ain't
much in the military department. They must have screwed up, and offered up a
sacrificial lamb with a spot on its ass or something. You know how
particular Yahweh is about that sort of thing.

And my wife thinks -I'm- a picky eater.

By the way: I notice that you snipped out all of those other points I made,
you know, about earthquakes and such, and stuck with the most ambiguous one.
But even that one flies against what you claim it means.

Why are you going out of your way to help me out here?

And by the way; diseases aren't caused by little demons in your body. Just
thought you might like to know that.

Honus wrote:

They must have screwed up, and offered up a
sacrificial lamb with a spot on its ass or something. You know how
particular Yahweh is about that sort of thing.


He's not alone. That very same thing made vegetarians out of whole
generations. Even the lions wouldn't touch the lambs with the spots on
their asses. They just lay there with them. It's in the Book!




mike

"Honus" wrote in message news:PHSqd.12858$lv6.2417@trnddc03...
"Daryl Krupa" wrote in message
om...

snip
If you wish, I can supply links to the writeups on Ballard's finds
in professional journals.

I can find 'em.

I'm not going to let your demurral stop me, because there are really
only 2 on the 'net:

Ballard, R. D. Fred Hiebert, Dwight Coleman, Cheryl Ward,
Jennifer Smith, Kathryn Willis, Brendan Foley, Katherine Croff,
Candace Major, Francesco Torre
2001
Deepwater Archaeology of the Black Sea of the Black Sea:
The 2000 Season at Sinop, Turkey
American Journal of Archeology, v. 105, no. 4, pp. 607-623

http://www.ajaonline.org/archive/105...54.pdf#ballard

There you will see, on p. 615, the supposed habitation site:
Table 1.
Radiocarbon Analysis of Samples Collected from the Surface of Site 82

The dates range from 250 to 120 BP, i.e.
no earlier than the 17th Century A.D..

Also, on the previous page,
"Two samples were taken of the top 5-7 cm of deposit from within Site
82 ...
Both samples contained ... no ceramics, stone debitage, or diagnostic
artifacts."

Whatever it may be, the "habitation site" is not proof of a BSFlood.
It could easily be 12,000 years old, which is about when the level
of the Black Sea dropped to its lowest point.

Sad to say, Ballard didn't find Noah's house.

There's just one mo

Further evidence of abrupt Holocene drowning of the Black Sea shelf.
Ballard, R.D, Coleman, D.F., Rosenberg, G. D.
2000
Marine Geology. 170; 3-4, Pages 253-261

There used to be more, but his archaeolologist Hiebert's pages on
the subject are gone, even from his own professional site, which
otherwise seems not to have been updated for more than a year:

http://www.museum.upenn.edu/Sinop/SinopIntro.htm

Ballard's latest report on his 2000 season in the Black Sea
mentions the BSFlood, but notes that it is controversial, and says
nothing at all about Noah's address, Site 82.

Ward, Cheryl and Robert D. Ballard
2004
Deep-water Archaeological Survey in the Black Sea: 2000 Season
The International Journal of Nautical Archaeology
Volume 33 Issue 1 Page 2 - April 2004
doi:10.1111/j.1095-9270.2004.00002.x

"Recent archaeological survey by sidescan sonar and remotely operated
vehicles (ROVs) resulted in the discovery of one of the best-preserved
seagoing ships from antiquity in the anoxic waters of the Black Sea.
Three shipwrecks from the 4th to 6th centuries AD, with cargoes of
shipping jars from Sinop, Turkey, were found at depths of about 100 m;
the fourth sits upright on the sea-bed, buried to deck level in
sediment. A description of each site and identification of visible
site components is followed by a discussion of directions and possible
implications of future research."

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/lin....00002.x/full/

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/ope...ssue=1&spage=2

And what is likely to be Ryan's last gasp (I hear that he has not
done well in conference tournaments lately):

William B.F. Ryan, Candace O. Major, Gilles Lericolais, and *Steven L.
Goldstein
CATASTROPHIC FLOODING OF THE BLACK SEA
2003
Annual Review of Earth and Planetary Sciences
Vol. 31: 525-554 (Volume publication date May 2003)

http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/...100901.141249?

Abstract:
http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/....100901.141249

Sorry to splash water in the frying pan.

Why? It's some theists that can't accept change based on better information.
I don't have that problem. ;)

Hmmm ... what's that subtle taste? I remember it from long ago,
but I so rarely encounter it nowadays ... HAH! That's It! It's
Rationality!

Daryl Krupa