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Revolution in Ukraine?
I was listening to the BBC tonight (0300 Nov 25) and they had a long
report on whether or not the Ukraine is headed for a civil war. Their presidential election was rigged by Russia, and nobody in Ukraine is accepting the "winner". The US has said that it will not accept the "winner". There are massive demonstrations there, the squares are filled with people all day and all night, and the "loser" is calling for a general strike. Why do the Ukrainians have more courage than the Americans? America has had TWO rigged presidential elections in a row and nobody is protesting-sure they're grumbling, but there are no massive demonstrations and general strikes. Why isn't there a civil war in America over America's rigged presidential elections? Why wasn't there one in 2000? Are Americans too weak and stupid to recognize when they've been had? Hats off to the Ukranians-they understand democracy. Americans apparently don't. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
The Ukrainians undestand Russia much better than we American's do.Russia
is still one of our worst enemies. cuhulin |
tommyknocker wrote: I was listening to the BBC tonight (0300 Nov 25) and they had a long report on whether or not the Ukraine is headed for a civil war. Their presidential election was rigged by Russia, and nobody in Ukraine is accepting the "winner". The US has said that it will not accept the "winner". There are massive demonstrations there, the squares are filled with people all day and all night, and the "loser" is calling for a general strike. Why do the Ukrainians have more courage than the Americans? America has had TWO rigged presidential elections in a row and nobody is protesting-sure they're grumbling, but there are no massive demonstrations and general strikes. Why isn't there a civil war in America over America's rigged presidential elections? Why wasn't there one in 2000? Are Americans too weak and stupid to recognize when they've been had? Hats off to the Ukranians-they understand democracy. Americans apparently don't. I always find it interesting when the supporters of the 'loser' claim an election was rigged. If John Fraud Kerry would have won you'd be singing praises to the American public, of the electoral system, etc., etc. I have no idea what is going on in the Ukraine, but I think to compare the Ukraine to the USA is a bit much. dxAce Michigan USA |
"tommyknocker" wrote in message ... I was listening to the BBC tonight (0300 Nov 25) and they had a long report on whether or not the Ukraine is headed for a civil war. Their presidential election was rigged by Russia, and nobody in Ukraine is accepting the "winner". The US has said that it will not accept the "winner". There are massive demonstrations there, the squares are filled with people all day and all night, and the "loser" is calling for a general strike. Why do the Ukrainians have more courage than the Americans? America has had TWO rigged presidential elections in a row and nobody is protesting-sure they're grumbling, but there are no massive demonstrations and general strikes. Why isn't there a civil war in America over America's rigged presidential elections? Why wasn't there one in 2000? Are Americans too weak and stupid to recognize when they've been had? Hats off to the Ukranians-they understand democracy. Americans apparently don't. Are election worked just fine. This is the second time that I've noticed you hinting that Americans are stupid. So why don't you be fair and tell us just were your from? B.H. |
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Have any of you ever heard the Ukrainian version of the song,Highway To
Hell? I have.Pehaps someone in this room can find a midi/wav with the lyrics to it. cuhulin |
Are you really an idiot or do you just play one on the internet?
"tommyknocker" wrote in message ... I was listening to the BBC tonight (0300 Nov 25) and they had a long report on whether or not the Ukraine is headed for a civil war. Their presidential election was rigged by Russia, and nobody in Ukraine is accepting the "winner". The US has said that it will not accept the "winner". There are massive demonstrations there, the squares are filled with people all day and all night, and the "loser" is calling for a general strike. Why do the Ukrainians have more courage than the Americans? America has had TWO rigged presidential elections in a row and nobody is protesting-sure they're grumbling, but there are no massive demonstrations and general strikes. Why isn't there a civil war in America over America's rigged presidential elections? Why wasn't there one in 2000? Are Americans too weak and stupid to recognize when they've been had? Hats off to the Ukranians-they understand democracy. Americans apparently don't. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
Brian Hill wrote:
"tommyknocker" wrote in message ... I was listening to the BBC tonight (0300 Nov 25) and they had a long report on whether or not the Ukraine is headed for a civil war. Their presidential election was rigged by Russia, and nobody in Ukraine is accepting the "winner". The US has said that it will not accept the "winner". There are massive demonstrations there, the squares are filled with people all day and all night, and the "loser" is calling for a general strike. Why do the Ukrainians have more courage than the Americans? America has had TWO rigged presidential elections in a row and nobody is protesting-sure they're grumbling, but there are no massive demonstrations and general strikes. Why isn't there a civil war in America over America's rigged presidential elections? Why wasn't there one in 2000? Are Americans too weak and stupid to recognize when they've been had? Hats off to the Ukranians-they understand democracy. Americans apparently don't. Are election worked just fine. This is the second time that I've noticed you hinting that Americans are stupid. So why don't you be fair and tell us just were your from? B.H. Sacramento, California, USA. I live about 4 miles due north of the California state capitol building. Sacramento County went for Kerry-just barely. I just can't believe that so many Americans voted for Bush despite all his failings. Either they're just as stupid and evil as he is, or there was massive fraud. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
"tommyknocker" wrote in message ... Brian Hill wrote: "tommyknocker" wrote in message ... I was listening to the BBC tonight (0300 Nov 25) and they had a long report on whether or not the Ukraine is headed for a civil war. Their presidential election was rigged by Russia, and nobody in Ukraine is accepting the "winner". The US has said that it will not accept the "winner". There are massive demonstrations there, the squares are filled with people all day and all night, and the "loser" is calling for a general strike. Why do the Ukrainians have more courage than the Americans? America has had TWO rigged presidential elections in a row and nobody is protesting-sure they're grumbling, but there are no massive demonstrations and general strikes. Why isn't there a civil war in America over America's rigged presidential elections? Why wasn't there one in 2000? Are Americans too weak and stupid to recognize when they've been had? Hats off to the Ukranians-they understand democracy. Americans apparently don't. Are election worked just fine. This is the second time that I've noticed you hinting that Americans are stupid. So why don't you be fair and tell us just were your from? B.H. Sacramento, California, USA. I live about 4 miles due north of the California state capitol building. Sacramento County went for Kerry-just barely. I just can't believe that so many Americans voted for Bush despite all his failings. Either they're just as stupid and evil as he is, or there was massive fraud. No fraud was involved. You know it's one thing to hate Bush, I can understand that but to perpetuate misinformation and conspiracy is stupid. I grew up north of Sac in Rio Oso / Nicholas area. -- 73 and good DXing. Brian ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire! Zumbrota, Southern MN Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/ EMAIL- (Hide the $100 to reply!) |
wrote in message ... Have any of you ever heard the Ukrainian version of the song,Highway To Hell? I have.Pehaps someone in this room can find a midi/wav with the lyrics to it. cuhulin No, I haven't. -- 73 and good DXing. Brian ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire! Zumbrota, Southern MN Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/ EMAIL- (Hide the $100 to reply!) |
"tommyknocker" wrote in message ... Sacramento, California, USA. I live about 4 miles due north of the California state capitol building. My sympathies. Sacramento County went for Kerry-just barely. I just can't believe that so many Americans voted for Bush despite all his failings. Either they're just as stupid and evil as he is, or there was massive fraud. All his failings? BwaHAHAHA! You know absolutely nothing about John "Peking Duck" Kerry? It is sad that Calipornians such as yourself think they are the center of the universe. |
In article , tommyknocker
wrote: Brian Hill wrote: "tommyknocker" wrote in message ... I was listening to the BBC tonight (0300 Nov 25) and they had a long report on whether or not the Ukraine is headed for a civil war. Their presidential election was rigged by Russia, and nobody in Ukraine is accepting the "winner". The US has said that it will not accept the "winner". There are massive demonstrations there, the squares are filled with people all day and all night, and the "loser" is calling for a general strike. Why do the Ukrainians have more courage than the Americans? America has had TWO rigged presidential elections in a row and nobody is protesting-sure they're grumbling, but there are no massive demonstrations and general strikes. Why isn't there a civil war in America over America's rigged presidential elections? Why wasn't there one in 2000? Are Americans too weak and stupid to recognize when they've been had? Hats off to the Ukranians-they understand democracy. Americans apparently don't. Are election worked just fine. This is the second time that I've noticed you hinting that Americans are stupid. So why don't you be fair and tell us just were your from? B.H. Sacramento, California, USA. I live about 4 miles due north of the California state capitol building. Sacramento County went for Kerry-just barely. I just can't believe that so many Americans voted for Bush despite all his failings. Either they're just as stupid and evil as he is, or there was massive fraud. Kerry has many more "failings" than Bush. What Kerry did to protest the war after returning from Vietnam was enough by itself for me not to want to vote for him. He was a fraud then as now and a traitor. I can't understand how in the hell the Democrats could have even nominated a person like him to run for president. The most liberal Senator with a lack luster record bereft of any semblance of leadership. The question is will the Democrats ever nominate another person that I would want to vote for? The answer is sure looking like no so far. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
This is why tommyknocker is considered one of the biggest idiots in
this newsgroup right up there with yojimbo. |
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= = = tommyknocker wrote in message
= = = ... Brian Hill wrote: "tommyknocker" wrote in message ... I was listening to the BBC tonight (0300 Nov 25) and they had a long report on whether or not the Ukraine is headed for a civil war. Their presidential election was rigged by Russia, and nobody in Ukraine is accepting the "winner". The US has said that it will not accept the "winner". There are massive demonstrations there, the squares are filled with people all day and all night, and the "loser" is calling for a general strike. Why do the Ukrainians have more courage than the Americans? America has had TWO rigged presidential elections in a row and nobody is protesting-sure they're grumbling, but there are no massive demonstrations and general strikes. Why isn't there a civil war in America over America's rigged presidential elections? Why wasn't there one in 2000? Are Americans too weak and stupid to recognize when they've been had? Hats off to the Ukranians-they understand democracy. Americans apparently don't. Are election worked just fine. This is the second time that I've noticed you hinting that Americans are stupid. So why don't you be fair and tell us just were your from? B.H. Sacramento, California, USA. I live about 4 miles due north of the California state capitol building. Sacramento County went for Kerry-just barely. I just can't believe that so many Americans voted for Bush despite all his failings. Either they're just as stupid and evil as he is, or there was massive fraud. TK, Did you ever think that all the 'stupidity' and 'evilness' that you see in others is simply a reflection of your own state of being. One Wonders ? God Bless America ~ RHF .. .. |
I know a guy via the internet,he lives in another state.He is my
age,sixty three years old.He is originally from Croatia.He is German by ancestry.During World War Two the nazis evicted him and his parents from Croatia to Germany.He was in U.S.Air Force (I was in U.S.Army) and he is retired from a fire rescue unit in Philadelphia.I Gurantee you all he Understands nazis and Russia! cuhulin |
"Dan" wrote in message ... On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:08:55 -0800, tommyknocker wrote: Sacramento, California, USA. I live about 4 miles due north of the California state capitol building. Sacramento County went for Kerry-just barely. I just can't believe that so many Americans voted for Bush despite all his failings Why? Bush has fewer "failings" than Kerry. It was an easy choice. The fact that the Left in America *still* doesn't get it is astonishing. I'm hoping that they continue down their path to irrelevance and nominate Hillary in 2008. Never happen. This country is far too into the patriarchal society to be ready for a woman president at this time. This is the one true indicator that subtle prejudice still exists dispite the progress we have made in that regard. It will be some time before a president who is of color or female will be elected. |
Dan wrote:
I didn't say she would be elected - she'll never get elected. But not for the reasons you say. It's because she is yet another northeastern liberal. That's what the Democrats just don't understand yet. The U.S. is *not* a liberal country. The last northeastern/Massachusetts liberal Democrat to be elected President was Kennedy (by a smaller margin NATIONWIDE than Bush's margin in Ohio this time), and he was so inept he had to be taken out. Do you consider yourself to be a typical American? Care to tell us who did the 'Taking out'? How long has Texas been evil? mike |
m II wrote: Dan wrote: I didn't say she would be elected - she'll never get elected. But not for the reasons you say. It's because she is yet another northeastern liberal. That's what the Democrats just don't understand yet. The U.S. is *not* a liberal country. The last northeastern/Massachusetts liberal Democrat to be elected President was Kennedy (by a smaller margin NATIONWIDE than Bush's margin in Ohio this time), and he was so inept he had to be taken out. Do you consider yourself to be a typical American? Care to tell us who did the 'Taking out'? How long has Texas been evil? Texas does not have the ability to be evil. Texas is an inanimate object. dxAce Michigan USA |
Dan wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 05:01:17 -0500, bug wrote: I'm an American from Southwestern Ohio who believes that more than 50% of the U.S. population is stupid. Unfortunately for you, you are the minority. Thus what you think doesn't count. Dan Clue: the Constitution was written to protect the rights of the *minority* and to protect the opinions of the minority from being brutally silenced by government or "King Mob". The relentless demonization by the far right wing of anybody who doesn't see the world exactly as they do is dangerous and could lead to the junking of the Constitution in the name of "security". ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
tommyknocker wrote: Dan wrote: On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 05:01:17 -0500, bug wrote: I'm an American from Southwestern Ohio who believes that more than 50% of the U.S. population is stupid. Unfortunately for you, you are the minority. Thus what you think doesn't count. Dan Clue: the Constitution was written to protect the rights of the *minority* and to protect the opinions of the minority from being brutally silenced by government or "King Mob". The relentless demonization by the far right wing of anybody who doesn't see the world exactly as they do is dangerous and could lead to the junking of the Constitution in the name of "security". While I understand your concern, one has to bear in mind that the Constitution is not a suicide pact. dxAce Michigan USA |
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:29 pm, Dan posted to
rec.radio.shortwave: %MM On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:08:55 -0800, tommyknocker wrote: Sacramento, California, USA. I live about 4 miles due north of the California state capitol building. Sacramento County went for Kerry-just barely. I just can't believe that so many Americans voted for Bush despite all his failings Why? Bush has fewer "failings" than Kerry. It was an easy choice. The fact that the Left in America *still* doesn't get it is astonishing. I'm hoping that they continue down their path to irrelevance and nominate Hillary in 2008. There is no left in the USA or at least no left with any sort of following. Compared to other world democracies, the 2 main parties are right and further right. Left=social democratic parties. |
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:57 am, dxAce posted to
rec.radio.shortwave: %MM snip Texas does not have the ability to be evil. Texas is an inanimate object. dxAce Michigan USA Actually, it is not really an object except in the abstract sense. It is a another of the set of boundaries that partition the world. It is a place. I don't know that a place is an object. It's more like an idea or a dream (in the sense of a goal, not in the sleeping-dreaming sense) In a race, you can get 1st place. That is not an object. It is an abstraction, a description. Texas is like 1st place (I think it is your largest state, or maybe it's Alaska, in which case Texas would be like 2nd place). Oh okay, I'll shut up now. |
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:36 am, dxAce posted to
rec.radio.shortwave: %MM snip I have no idea what is going on in the Ukraine, but I think to compare the Ukraine to the USA is a bit much. dxAce Michigan USA Ukraine tried to have a legit election but the incumbent president did rig it. I've heard reports from observers that stated eye witness accounts of things like: extra ballot boxes showing up at a polling station (i.e., there are more boxes present when counting than were present when voting was going on), more that 100% of a constituency or poll accounted for in votes counted, hiding and stealing of ballot boxes. The witness quoted was a Canadian member of parliament whose name I can't recall. So no, the US election was not like that. Ukraine used paper ballots and made X's, no computer machine voting nor hole punching. I don't think there were any allegations like the 4 years ago issues with Florida in the USA election, at least none reported that I have heard. |
"RHF" wrote in message om... = = = tommyknocker wrote in message = = = ... Brian Hill wrote: "tommyknocker" wrote in message ... I was listening to the BBC tonight (0300 Nov 25) and they had a long report on whether or not the Ukraine is headed for a civil war. Their presidential election was rigged by Russia, and nobody in Ukraine is accepting the "winner". The US has said that it will not accept the "winner". There are massive demonstrations there, the squares are filled with people all day and all night, and the "loser" is calling for a general strike. Why do the Ukrainians have more courage than the Americans? America has had TWO rigged presidential elections in a row and nobody is protesting-sure they're grumbling, but there are no massive demonstrations and general strikes. Why isn't there a civil war in America over America's rigged presidential elections? Why wasn't there one in 2000? Are Americans too weak and stupid to recognize when they've been had? Hats off to the Ukranians-they understand democracy. Americans apparently don't. Are election worked just fine. This is the second time that I've noticed you hinting that Americans are stupid. So why don't you be fair and tell us just were your from? B.H. Sacramento, California, USA. I live about 4 miles due north of the California state capitol building. Sacramento County went for Kerry-just barely. I just can't believe that so many Americans voted for Bush despite all his failings. Either they're just as stupid and evil as he is, or there was massive fraud. TK, Did you ever think that all the 'stupidity' and 'evilness' that you see in others is simply a reflection of your own state of being. One Wonders ? God Bless America ~ RHF Reminds me of an old quote, from 1972. Can't remember who said it, but it's rather telling: "I can't believe Nixon won!! All my friends voted for McGovern!!" --Mike L. |
"uncle arnie" -mex. wrote in message ... On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:57 am, dxAce posted to rec.radio.shortwave: %MM snip Texas does not have the ability to be evil. Texas is an inanimate object. dxAce Michigan USA Actually, it is not really an object except in the abstract sense. It is a another of the set of boundaries that partition the world. It is a place. I don't know that a place is an object. It's more like an idea or a dream (in the sense of a goal, not in the sleeping-dreaming sense) In a race, you can get 1st place. That is not an object. It is an abstraction, a description. Texas is like 1st place (I think it is your largest state, or maybe it's Alaska, in which case Texas would be like 2nd place). Oh okay, I'll shut up now. Ah, another Cliff Claven!! Brother!! --Mike L. |
uncle arnie wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:29 pm, Dan posted to rec.radio.shortwave: %MM On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:08:55 -0800, tommyknocker wrote: Sacramento, California, USA. I live about 4 miles due north of the California state capitol building. Sacramento County went for Kerry-just barely. I just can't believe that so many Americans voted for Bush despite all his failings Why? Bush has fewer "failings" than Kerry. It was an easy choice. The fact that the Left in America *still* doesn't get it is astonishing. I'm hoping that they continue down their path to irrelevance and nominate Hillary in 2008. There is no left in the USA or at least no left with any sort of following. Compared to other world democracies, the 2 main parties are right and further right. Left=social democratic parties. Well no, there's nothing in America like the Social Democrat parties in Europe. There's no Labor party, no Socialist party, no Populist party. It's been noted that neither George W. Bush nor John Kerry would be considered to run any party in Europe, even conservative parties. In America, the person that gets elected is the person who spends the most on advertising. There's no public funding of campaigns. So only millionaires and billionaires get elected to public office, since they're the only ones who can afford to run, and of course they look out for their own-birds of a feather flocking together-which may be one reason why the US is increasingly turning fascist or pseudo-fascist. All the celebrities who get elected have tons of money or know where to get it. Charisma counts for a lot in US elections. California voters actually held a special election to throw out an uncharismatic career politician named Gray Davis, and elected Arnold Schwarzenegger in his place. Al Gore's lack of charisma, especially compared to Bush's down on the ranch good ole boy cowboy folksiness, probably cost him the 2000 election. Anyway, no party truly represents the working class for stated reasons, that and the working class are easily led to support people and policies that are actually detrimental to them (something that wouldn't happen in Europe). Campaigns today are run on who is more moral, something that Europeans would find laughably quaint. The American working class is a lot less accepting of radical ideas than the workers of Europe. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
I know a guy (I have known him via the interner for over five years) via
the internet in Cork,Ireland,Examiner newspaper.He is one of the big executives/hot shots at that newspaper) I can absolutely tell you people that over there they do not have much in the way of whom they can vote for.For the most part,most if not all of the folks over there whom are running for election are socialist democrats. cuhulin |
Bobby Kennedy hated his brother,John Fitzgerald Kennedy.Bobby Kennedy
wanted to be the prez. cuhulin |
"tommyknocker" wrote in message ... it. Charisma counts for a lot in US elections. California voters actually held a special election to throw out an uncharismatic career politician named Gray Davis, Entirely ignoring the fact that he got elected in the first place. ;) |
dxAce wrote:
How long has Texas been evil? Texas does not have the ability to be evil. Texas is an inanimate object. Not so. I've heard it often said that Texas is a State of Mind. States of mind can be evil, so my question stands. mike (whew...that was close..) |
Geez,I wonder what has happened to Viktor Yushchenko in the last two
months? Check out that article at, www.drudgereport.com cuhulin |
In article , dxAce wrote:
While I understand your concern, one has to bear in mind that the Constitution is not a suicide pact. Looks more like a hostage situation, these days. Mark Zenier Washington State resident |
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Pronounced,CATTLE RAID OF COOLEY.
cuhulin |
http://www.madcowprod.com/11242004.html Please check out this link. Dont
believe all you read, just have an open mind and use your common sense. If this was lies would they still be in business "0ff_r/-\/\\p" wrote in message ... "tommyknocker" wrote in message ... Sacramento, California, USA. I live about 4 miles due north of the California state capitol building. My sympathies. Sacramento County went for Kerry-just barely. I just can't believe that so many Americans voted for Bush despite all his failings. Either they're just as stupid and evil as he is, or there was massive fraud. All his failings? BwaHAHAHA! You know absolutely nothing about John "Peking Duck" Kerry? It is sad that Calipornians such as yourself think they are the center of the universe. |
"news.blueyonder.co.uk" wrote in message news:HZhqd.39476 wrote in message ... Sacramento County went for Kerry-just Interesting to some but what has this to do with the header and shortwave radio? Thank you |
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Dan wrote: On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:14:41 GMT, (Mark Zenier) wrote: In article , dxAce wrote: While I understand your concern, one has to bear in mind that the Constitution is not a suicide pact. Looks more like a hostage situation, these days. Why? Because Kerry lost? Because House leader Hasturt is setting up the rules so that the only laws the House will consider are those that are approved by a majority of the House Republicans. Not those that are supported by a majority of the House, should the Democrats find enough support on the Republican side, only those that The Party approves of. The over-the-top rhetoric from the left continues. We had an election, and Bush won. Again. Deal with it. It's over. Let it go already. Ever hear the phrase "No Taxation without Representation?". If my congressman has no possible voice in government, the government isn't legitimate. Mark Zenier Washington State resident |
-=jd=- wrote:
Ever hear the phrase "The majority rules"? x The Electoral College was installed to prevent just that from happening. In that way, New York can't push North Dakota around. The Bill of Rights and the Constitution were written in such a way as to protect the minority from the abuse of the majority. Like the man said: Real Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch. Added to by Edward R. Murrow: A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. mike |
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