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dxAce November 30th 04 10:24 AM



-=jd=- wrote:

On Mon 29 Nov 2004 11:29:49a, dxAce
wrote in message :



Michael Lawson wrote:

Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of trying to use the
top of my split rail fence to hold a 80' wire, so I was
curious about your setup. Do you have a buried
coax leading to your shack??


Yes, both runs of coax are buried, leading into Transi-trap
lightning protectors, then up to a two way anrenna switch,
then to the Stridsburg multi-coupler, then to the
receivers.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




When you disconnect the coax (say, when a thunder storm is
moving in), do you just disconnect from the switch or do you
disconnect outside?

The reason I ask is that when I had the 300' of wire, it
seemed to be a fairly decent static-charge collector. The neon
in the static-bleeder would get a pretty decent workout from
time to time. It got to the point I kept the coax disconnected
outside as the norm - connecting it only when I wanted to
listen.

I can imagine with both of your wires, your transi-traps are
worth several times their weight in gold...


I just disconnect from the switch. Never had any problems as the antennas
themselves are directly grounded at the feedpoint through the transformers.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



Michael Lawson November 30th 04 01:01 PM


"dxAce" wrote in message
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-=jd=- wrote:

On Mon 29 Nov 2004 11:29:49a, dxAce
wrote in message :



Michael Lawson wrote:

Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of trying to use the
top of my split rail fence to hold a 80' wire, so I was
curious about your setup. Do you have a buried
coax leading to your shack??

Yes, both runs of coax are buried, leading into Transi-trap
lightning protectors, then up to a two way anrenna switch,
then to the Stridsburg multi-coupler, then to the
receivers.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




When you disconnect the coax (say, when a thunder storm is
moving in), do you just disconnect from the switch or do you
disconnect outside?

The reason I ask is that when I had the 300' of wire, it
seemed to be a fairly decent static-charge collector. The neon
in the static-bleeder would get a pretty decent workout from
time to time. It got to the point I kept the coax disconnected
outside as the norm - connecting it only when I wanted to
listen.

I can imagine with both of your wires, your transi-traps are
worth several times their weight in gold...


I just disconnect from the switch. Never had any problems as the

antennas
themselves are directly grounded at the feedpoint through the

transformers.

You're using your 10:1 transformer for the grounding?

--Mike L.




dxAce November 30th 04 01:03 PM



Michael Lawson wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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-=jd=- wrote:

On Mon 29 Nov 2004 11:29:49a, dxAce
wrote in message :



Michael Lawson wrote:

Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of trying to use the
top of my split rail fence to hold a 80' wire, so I was
curious about your setup. Do you have a buried
coax leading to your shack??

Yes, both runs of coax are buried, leading into Transi-trap
lightning protectors, then up to a two way anrenna switch,
then to the Stridsburg multi-coupler, then to the
receivers.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




When you disconnect the coax (say, when a thunder storm is
moving in), do you just disconnect from the switch or do you
disconnect outside?

The reason I ask is that when I had the 300' of wire, it
seemed to be a fairly decent static-charge collector. The neon
in the static-bleeder would get a pretty decent workout from
time to time. It got to the point I kept the coax disconnected
outside as the norm - connecting it only when I wanted to
listen.

I can imagine with both of your wires, your transi-traps are
worth several times their weight in gold...


I just disconnect from the switch. Never had any problems as the

antennas
themselves are directly grounded at the feedpoint through the

transformers.

You're using your 10:1 transformer for the grounding?


Well, yes. There is no direct connection between the antenna and coaxial cable.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



HankG November 30th 04 02:20 PM


"dxAce" wrote in message
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Michael Lawson wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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-=jd=- wrote:

On Mon 29 Nov 2004 11:29:49a, dxAce
wrote in message :



Michael Lawson wrote:

Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of trying to use the
top of my split rail fence to hold a 80' wire, so I was
curious about your setup. Do you have a buried
coax leading to your shack??

Yes, both runs of coax are buried, leading into Transi-trap
lightning protectors, then up to a two way anrenna switch,
then to the Stridsburg multi-coupler, then to the
receivers.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




When you disconnect the coax (say, when a thunder storm is
moving in), do you just disconnect from the switch or do you
disconnect outside?

The reason I ask is that when I had the 300' of wire, it
seemed to be a fairly decent static-charge collector. The neon
in the static-bleeder would get a pretty decent workout from
time to time. It got to the point I kept the coax disconnected
outside as the norm - connecting it only when I wanted to
listen.

I can imagine with both of your wires, your transi-traps are
worth several times their weight in gold...

I just disconnect from the switch. Never had any problems as the

antennas
themselves are directly grounded at the feedpoint through the

transformers.

You're using your 10:1 transformer for the grounding?


Well, yes. There is no direct connection between the antenna and coaxial

cable.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Ace:

Are you using a tuner on that 200 footer? I'm using an untuned, uncoupled,
directly connected 200 ft piece of wire which I'm thinking of upgrading. I
currently use it mostly for LW and MW up to about 2Mhz. What frequency
range do you use it for mostly?

Other than orientation (your pic suggests 2 ants at right angles) is there
any advantage using two longwires of different lengths?

BTW, how tall are your supports?

HankG



dxAce November 30th 04 02:42 PM



HankG wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael Lawson wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


-=jd=- wrote:

On Mon 29 Nov 2004 11:29:49a, dxAce
wrote in message :



Michael Lawson wrote:

Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of trying to use the
top of my split rail fence to hold a 80' wire, so I was
curious about your setup. Do you have a buried
coax leading to your shack??

Yes, both runs of coax are buried, leading into Transi-trap
lightning protectors, then up to a two way anrenna switch,
then to the Stridsburg multi-coupler, then to the
receivers.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




When you disconnect the coax (say, when a thunder storm is
moving in), do you just disconnect from the switch or do you
disconnect outside?

The reason I ask is that when I had the 300' of wire, it
seemed to be a fairly decent static-charge collector. The neon
in the static-bleeder would get a pretty decent workout from
time to time. It got to the point I kept the coax disconnected
outside as the norm - connecting it only when I wanted to
listen.

I can imagine with both of your wires, your transi-traps are
worth several times their weight in gold...

I just disconnect from the switch. Never had any problems as the
antennas
themselves are directly grounded at the feedpoint through the
transformers.

You're using your 10:1 transformer for the grounding?


Well, yes. There is no direct connection between the antenna and coaxial

cable.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Ace:

Are you using a tuner on that 200 footer?


No, no tuner. On that or the 70'.

I'm using an untuned, uncoupled,
directly connected 200 ft piece of wire which I'm thinking of upgrading. I
currently use it mostly for LW and MW up to about 2Mhz. What frequency
range do you use it for mostly?


I use them both for everything, however my system( including the Stridsberg
multicoupler, which was modified by Stridsberg for me), and the transformers
themselves are optimized for SW. I can bypass the Stridsberg and go direct to
the receiver(s), but still the transformers are wound for SW.

Other than orientation (your pic suggests 2 ants at right angles) is there
any advantage using two longwires of different lengths?


Yes, many times I can get better reception by switching between the two as
signals arrive from different directions. Additionally, the 200' wire works well
on many SW frequencies arriving from a W or E direction.

BTW, how tall are your supports?


9'. They are, as I recall 4x4x12 treated wood, sunk 3' into the ground.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



Michael Lawson November 30th 04 03:02 PM


"dxAce" wrote in message
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HankG wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Michael Lawson wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


-=jd=- wrote:

On Mon 29 Nov 2004 11:29:49a, dxAce
wrote in message :



Michael Lawson wrote:

Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of trying to use the
top of my split rail fence to hold a 80' wire, so I was
curious about your setup. Do you have a buried
coax leading to your shack??

Yes, both runs of coax are buried, leading into

Transi-trap
lightning protectors, then up to a two way anrenna

switch,
then to the Stridsburg multi-coupler, then to the
receivers.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




When you disconnect the coax (say, when a thunder storm is
moving in), do you just disconnect from the switch or do

you
disconnect outside?

The reason I ask is that when I had the 300' of wire, it
seemed to be a fairly decent static-charge collector. The

neon
in the static-bleeder would get a pretty decent workout

from
time to time. It got to the point I kept the coax

disconnected
outside as the norm - connecting it only when I wanted to
listen.

I can imagine with both of your wires, your transi-traps

are
worth several times their weight in gold...

I just disconnect from the switch. Never had any problems as

the
antennas
themselves are directly grounded at the feedpoint through

the
transformers.

You're using your 10:1 transformer for the grounding?

Well, yes. There is no direct connection between the antenna and

coaxial
cable.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Ace:

Are you using a tuner on that 200 footer?


No, no tuner. On that or the 70'.

I'm using an untuned, uncoupled,
directly connected 200 ft piece of wire which I'm thinking of

upgrading. I
currently use it mostly for LW and MW up to about 2Mhz. What

frequency
range do you use it for mostly?


I use them both for everything, however my system( including the

Stridsberg
multicoupler, which was modified by Stridsberg for me), and the

transformers
themselves are optimized for SW. I can bypass the Stridsberg and go

direct to
the receiver(s), but still the transformers are wound for SW.

Other than orientation (your pic suggests 2 ants at right angles)

is there
any advantage using two longwires of different lengths?


Yes, many times I can get better reception by switching between the

two as
signals arrive from different directions. Additionally, the 200'

wire works well
on many SW frequencies arriving from a W or E direction.

BTW, how tall are your supports?


9'. They are, as I recall 4x4x12 treated wood, sunk 3' into the

ground.

I would second the need for a matching transformer,
it really does made a huge difference. I'd recommend
reading the articles by John Bryant at
http://www.dxing.info/equipment/ for more info.

Ace, do you still sell yours? Just curious.

--Mike L.




dxAce November 30th 04 03:08 PM



Michael Lawson wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


HankG wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael Lawson wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


-=jd=- wrote:

On Mon 29 Nov 2004 11:29:49a, dxAce
wrote in message :



Michael Lawson wrote:

Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of trying to use the
top of my split rail fence to hold a 80' wire, so I was
curious about your setup. Do you have a buried
coax leading to your shack??

Yes, both runs of coax are buried, leading into

Transi-trap
lightning protectors, then up to a two way anrenna

switch,
then to the Stridsburg multi-coupler, then to the
receivers.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




When you disconnect the coax (say, when a thunder storm is
moving in), do you just disconnect from the switch or do

you
disconnect outside?

The reason I ask is that when I had the 300' of wire, it
seemed to be a fairly decent static-charge collector. The

neon
in the static-bleeder would get a pretty decent workout

from
time to time. It got to the point I kept the coax

disconnected
outside as the norm - connecting it only when I wanted to
listen.

I can imagine with both of your wires, your transi-traps

are
worth several times their weight in gold...

I just disconnect from the switch. Never had any problems as

the
antennas
themselves are directly grounded at the feedpoint through

the
transformers.

You're using your 10:1 transformer for the grounding?

Well, yes. There is no direct connection between the antenna and

coaxial
cable.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Ace:

Are you using a tuner on that 200 footer?


No, no tuner. On that or the 70'.

I'm using an untuned, uncoupled,
directly connected 200 ft piece of wire which I'm thinking of

upgrading. I
currently use it mostly for LW and MW up to about 2Mhz. What

frequency
range do you use it for mostly?


I use them both for everything, however my system( including the

Stridsberg
multicoupler, which was modified by Stridsberg for me), and the

transformers
themselves are optimized for SW. I can bypass the Stridsberg and go

direct to
the receiver(s), but still the transformers are wound for SW.

Other than orientation (your pic suggests 2 ants at right angles)

is there
any advantage using two longwires of different lengths?


Yes, many times I can get better reception by switching between the

two as
signals arrive from different directions. Additionally, the 200'

wire works well
on many SW frequencies arriving from a W or E direction.

BTW, how tall are your supports?


9'. They are, as I recall 4x4x12 treated wood, sunk 3' into the

ground.

I would second the need for a matching transformer,
it really does made a huge difference. I'd recommend
reading the articles by John Bryant at
http://www.dxing.info/equipment/ for more info.

Ace, do you still sell yours? Just curious.


No, I unfortunately no longer make them for sale. There is however someone who
apparently sells something similar on eBay. Quite honestly I don't think I could
compete with the price. If I did start making them up again I suppose it might
be a similar price, but I'd have to explore another case style.

I think I sold about 2-300 of them. It's tedious winding the darn things and I
just gave it up.

Here are some direct links to the Bryant articles:

http://www.dxing.info/equipment/impe...ing_bryant.pdf

http://members.aol.com/DXerCapeCod/z_transformers.pdf

dxAce
Michigan
USA



dxAce November 30th 04 03:29 PM



Michael Lawson wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


HankG wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael Lawson wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


-=jd=- wrote:

On Mon 29 Nov 2004 11:29:49a, dxAce
wrote in message :



Michael Lawson wrote:

Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of trying to use the
top of my split rail fence to hold a 80' wire, so I was
curious about your setup. Do you have a buried
coax leading to your shack??

Yes, both runs of coax are buried, leading into

Transi-trap
lightning protectors, then up to a two way anrenna

switch,
then to the Stridsburg multi-coupler, then to the
receivers.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




When you disconnect the coax (say, when a thunder storm is
moving in), do you just disconnect from the switch or do

you
disconnect outside?

The reason I ask is that when I had the 300' of wire, it
seemed to be a fairly decent static-charge collector. The

neon
in the static-bleeder would get a pretty decent workout

from
time to time. It got to the point I kept the coax

disconnected
outside as the norm - connecting it only when I wanted to
listen.

I can imagine with both of your wires, your transi-traps

are
worth several times their weight in gold...

I just disconnect from the switch. Never had any problems as

the
antennas
themselves are directly grounded at the feedpoint through

the
transformers.

You're using your 10:1 transformer for the grounding?

Well, yes. There is no direct connection between the antenna and

coaxial
cable.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Ace:

Are you using a tuner on that 200 footer?


No, no tuner. On that or the 70'.

I'm using an untuned, uncoupled,
directly connected 200 ft piece of wire which I'm thinking of

upgrading. I
currently use it mostly for LW and MW up to about 2Mhz. What

frequency
range do you use it for mostly?


I use them both for everything, however my system( including the

Stridsberg
multicoupler, which was modified by Stridsberg for me), and the

transformers
themselves are optimized for SW. I can bypass the Stridsberg and go

direct to
the receiver(s), but still the transformers are wound for SW.

Other than orientation (your pic suggests 2 ants at right angles)

is there
any advantage using two longwires of different lengths?


Yes, many times I can get better reception by switching between the

two as
signals arrive from different directions. Additionally, the 200'

wire works well
on many SW frequencies arriving from a W or E direction.

BTW, how tall are your supports?


9'. They are, as I recall 4x4x12 treated wood, sunk 3' into the

ground.

I would second the need for a matching transformer,
it really does made a huge difference. I'd recommend
reading the articles by John Bryant at
http://www.dxing.info/equipment/ for more info.


Thanks for pointing out the dx'ing.info site again, I don't go there very often
and I see that there is a more recent article there entitled "A Second Look at
Fabricating Impedance Transformers for Receiving Antennas" An interesting read
as I still use the FT-50-43 toroids and they seem to recommend either the FT-82
or FT-114 in a type 75 mix.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




Michael Lawson November 30th 04 03:39 PM


"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael Lawson wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


HankG wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael Lawson wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


-=jd=- wrote:

On Mon 29 Nov 2004 11:29:49a, dxAce


wrote in message :



Michael Lawson wrote:

Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of trying to use

the
top of my split rail fence to hold a 80' wire, so I

was
curious about your setup. Do you have a buried
coax leading to your shack??

Yes, both runs of coax are buried, leading into

Transi-trap
lightning protectors, then up to a two way anrenna

switch,
then to the Stridsburg multi-coupler, then to the
receivers.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




When you disconnect the coax (say, when a thunder

storm is
moving in), do you just disconnect from the switch or

do
you
disconnect outside?

The reason I ask is that when I had the 300' of wire,

it
seemed to be a fairly decent static-charge collector.

The
neon
in the static-bleeder would get a pretty decent

workout
from
time to time. It got to the point I kept the coax

disconnected
outside as the norm - connecting it only when I wanted

to
listen.

I can imagine with both of your wires, your

transi-traps
are
worth several times their weight in gold...

I just disconnect from the switch. Never had any

problems as
the
antennas
themselves are directly grounded at the feedpoint

through
the
transformers.

You're using your 10:1 transformer for the grounding?

Well, yes. There is no direct connection between the antenna

and
coaxial
cable.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Ace:

Are you using a tuner on that 200 footer?

No, no tuner. On that or the 70'.

I'm using an untuned, uncoupled,
directly connected 200 ft piece of wire which I'm thinking of

upgrading. I
currently use it mostly for LW and MW up to about 2Mhz. What

frequency
range do you use it for mostly?

I use them both for everything, however my system( including the

Stridsberg
multicoupler, which was modified by Stridsberg for me), and the

transformers
themselves are optimized for SW. I can bypass the Stridsberg and

go
direct to
the receiver(s), but still the transformers are wound for SW.

Other than orientation (your pic suggests 2 ants at right

angles)
is there
any advantage using two longwires of different lengths?

Yes, many times I can get better reception by switching between

the
two as
signals arrive from different directions. Additionally, the 200'

wire works well
on many SW frequencies arriving from a W or E direction.

BTW, how tall are your supports?

9'. They are, as I recall 4x4x12 treated wood, sunk 3' into the

ground.

I would second the need for a matching transformer,
it really does made a huge difference. I'd recommend
reading the articles by John Bryant at
http://www.dxing.info/equipment/ for more info.


Thanks for pointing out the dx'ing.info site again, I don't go there

very often
and I see that there is a more recent article there entitled "A

Second Look at
Fabricating Impedance Transformers for Receiving Antennas" An

interesting read
as I still use the FT-50-43 toroids and they seem to recommend

either the FT-82
or FT-114 in a type 75 mix.


They were testing primarily the low bands for the "second
look" paper, so I'd imagine that influenced their decision
to go with the J/75.

--Mike L.




HankG November 30th 04 03:42 PM


"dxAce" wrote in message
...


HankG wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Michael Lawson wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


-=jd=- wrote:

On Mon 29 Nov 2004 11:29:49a, dxAce
wrote in message :



Michael Lawson wrote:

Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of trying to use the
top of my split rail fence to hold a 80' wire, so I was
curious about your setup. Do you have a buried
coax leading to your shack??

Yes, both runs of coax are buried, leading into Transi-trap
lightning protectors, then up to a two way anrenna switch,
then to the Stridsburg multi-coupler, then to the
receivers.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




When you disconnect the coax (say, when a thunder storm is
moving in), do you just disconnect from the switch or do you
disconnect outside?

The reason I ask is that when I had the 300' of wire, it
seemed to be a fairly decent static-charge collector. The neon
in the static-bleeder would get a pretty decent workout from
time to time. It got to the point I kept the coax disconnected
outside as the norm - connecting it only when I wanted to
listen.

I can imagine with both of your wires, your transi-traps are
worth several times their weight in gold...

I just disconnect from the switch. Never had any problems as the
antennas
themselves are directly grounded at the feedpoint through the
transformers.

You're using your 10:1 transformer for the grounding?

Well, yes. There is no direct connection between the antenna and

coaxial
cable.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Ace:

Are you using a tuner on that 200 footer?


No, no tuner. On that or the 70'.

I'm using an untuned, uncoupled,
directly connected 200 ft piece of wire which I'm thinking of upgrading.

I
currently use it mostly for LW and MW up to about 2Mhz. What frequency
range do you use it for mostly?


I use them both for everything, however my system( including the

Stridsberg
multicoupler, which was modified by Stridsberg for me), and the

transformers
themselves are optimized for SW. I can bypass the Stridsberg and go direct

to
the receiver(s), but still the transformers are wound for SW.

Other than orientation (your pic suggests 2 ants at right angles) is

there
any advantage using two longwires of different lengths?


Yes, many times I can get better reception by switching between the two as
signals arrive from different directions. Additionally, the 200' wire

works well
on many SW frequencies arriving from a W or E direction.

BTW, how tall are your supports?


9'. They are, as I recall 4x4x12 treated wood, sunk 3' into the ground.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Thanks for a usually comprehensive answer. Are you using 10:1

transformers?

HankG




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