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Old December 29th 04, 02:52 PM
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starman wrote:

DeWayne wrote:

Well Uncle Sam is again chipping in to help the victims of earthquake and
tsunami. Let's see who else chips in. Rich Arabs? Muslim nations? Don't hold
your breath.


Uncle Sam's international disaster relief aid budget is nothing to brag
about either. There isn't a single country that spends even one per cent
of it's GNP on international aid, including the US.


I don't know if it's still accurate, but this web site:

http://www.aglimmerofhope.org/philanthrophy/newsweek_02_02.htm

has a quote from a February 2002 Newsweek article that says private American donors give 2.1% of our GNP to foreign aid each year. This is in addition to what our government gives. Here's a quote I like from the article:

"No nation comes even remotely close to the U.S. on these things," says Scott Walker of the Philanthropy Roundtable. "If you're in Sweden or France, it's something the government is supposed to do. If you were in England, it is the nobility. Americans
don't think it's enough to say, 'I gave at the office with taxes'."
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Old December 29th 04, 06:09 PM
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Mark S. Holden wrote:

I don't know if it's still accurate, but this web site:

http://www.aglimmerofhope.org/philanthrophy/newsweek_02_02.htm

has a quote from a February 2002 Newsweek article that says private American donors give 2.1% of our GNP to foreign aid each year. This is in addition to what our government gives. Here's a quote I like from the article:

"No nation comes even remotely close to the U.S. on these things," says Scott Walker of the Philanthropy Roundtable. "If you're in Sweden or France, it's something the government is supposed to do. If you were in England, it is the nobility. Americans
don't think it's enough to say, 'I gave at the office with taxes'."



00.14 percent. Nowhere near what you quoted.


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In 2003, Norway spent $308 per capita on foreign aid, compared to
$23.76 for the United States.

http://www.fsmitha.com/world/norway.html
=====================================


Stupid subscription site:

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Almost a third of the way into the program (United Nations Millennium
Declaration which we signed), the latest available figures show that
the percentage of United States income going to poor countries remains
near rock bottom: 0.14 percent of GNP). Britain is at 0.34 percent,
and France at 0.41 percent. (Norway and Sweden, to no one's surprise,
are already exceeding the goal, at 0.92 percent and 0.79 percent.)

The government spends $450 billion annually on the military, and $15
billion on development help for poor countries, a 30-to-1 ratio that,
as Mr. Sachs puts it, shows how the nation has become "all war and no
peace in our foreign policy."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/23/op...?oref=login&th
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Old December 29th 04, 06:18 PM
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m II wrote:

Mark S. Holden wrote:

I don't know if it's still accurate, but this web site:

http://www.aglimmerofhope.org/philanthrophy/newsweek_02_02.htm

has a quote from a February 2002 Newsweek article that says private American donors give 2.1% of our GNP to foreign aid each year. This is in addition to what our government gives. Here's a quote I like from the article:

"No nation comes even remotely close to the U.S. on these things," says Scott Walker of the Philanthropy Roundtable. "If you're in Sweden or France, it's something the government is supposed to do. If you were in England, it is the nobility. Americans
don't think it's enough to say, 'I gave at the office with taxes'."


00.14 percent. Nowhere near what you quoted.


You really need to do a Google on CanaDuh's failing foreign aid policy's, 'tard boy.

LMAO at both you, and CanaDuh.

dxAce
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Old December 29th 04, 06:20 PM
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m II wrote:

Mark S. Holden wrote:

I don't know if it's still accurate, but this web site:

http://www.aglimmerofhope.org/philanthrophy/newsweek_02_02.htm

has a quote from a February 2002 Newsweek article that says private American donors give 2.1% of our GNP to foreign aid each year. This is in addition to what our government gives. Here's a quote I like from the article:

"No nation comes even remotely close to the U.S. on these things," says Scott Walker of the Philanthropy Roundtable. "If you're in Sweden or France, it's something the government is supposed to do. If you were in England, it is the nobility. Americans
don't think it's enough to say, 'I gave at the office with taxes'."


00.14 percent. Nowhere near what you quoted.

=====================================
In 2003, Norway spent $308 per capita on foreign aid, compared to
$23.76 for the United States.

http://www.fsmitha.com/world/norway.html
=====================================

Stupid subscription site:

=====================================
Almost a third of the way into the program (United Nations Millennium
Declaration which we signed), the latest available figures show that
the percentage of United States income going to poor countries remains
near rock bottom: 0.14 percent of GNP). Britain is at 0.34 percent,
and France at 0.41 percent. (Norway and Sweden, to no one's surprise,
are already exceeding the goal, at 0.92 percent and 0.79 percent.)

The government spends $450 billion annually on the military, and $15
billion on development help for poor countries, a 30-to-1 ratio that,
as Mr. Sachs puts it, shows how the nation has become "all war and no
peace in our foreign policy."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/23/op...?oref=login&th
=====================================


What? No figures for CanaDuh?

dxAce
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Old December 29th 04, 07:46 PM
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m II wrote:

Mark S. Holden wrote:

I don't know if it's still accurate, but this web site:

http://www.aglimmerofhope.org/philanthrophy/newsweek_02_02.htm

has a quote from a February 2002 Newsweek article that says private American donors give 2.1% of our GNP to foreign aid each year. This is in addition to what our government gives. Here's a quote I like from the article:

"No nation comes even remotely close to the U.S. on these things," says Scott Walker of the Philanthropy Roundtable. "If you're in Sweden or France, it's something the government is supposed to do. If you were in England, it is the nobility. Americans
don't think it's enough to say, 'I gave at the office with taxes'."


00.14 percent. Nowhere near what you quoted.

=====================================
In 2003, Norway spent $308 per capita on foreign aid, compared to
$23.76 for the United States.

http://www.fsmitha.com/world/norway.html
==============================



Mike

I saw the .14% figure you found listed someplace as the figure for foreign charitable donations by the U.S. Government. I don't know if that includes all foreign aid, or if it's a subset of the total.

The 2.1% figure I quoted is for foreign charitable donations by private citizens. This would make the total donations from the USA 2.24% of GNP.

IIRC, I read the government of Norway gives .92% of GNP as charitable foreign aid.

I don't know what percentage their individuals give, but the article I provided the link to said "No nation comes even remotely close to the U.S. on these things,"


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"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

m II wrote:

Mark S. Holden wrote:

I don't know if it's still accurate, but this web site:

http://www.aglimmerofhope.org/philanthrophy/newsweek_02_02.htm

has a quote from a February 2002 Newsweek article that says private American donors give 2.1% of our GNP to foreign aid each year. This is in addition to what our government gives. Here's a quote I like from the article:

"No nation comes even remotely close to the U.S. on these things," says Scott Walker of the Philanthropy Roundtable. "If you're in Sweden or France, it's something the government is supposed to do. If you were in England, it is the nobility. Americans
don't think it's enough to say, 'I gave at the office with taxes'."


00.14 percent. Nowhere near what you quoted.

=====================================
In 2003, Norway spent $308 per capita on foreign aid, compared to
$23.76 for the United States.

http://www.fsmitha.com/world/norway.html
==============================


Mike

I saw the .14% figure you found listed someplace as the figure for foreign charitable donations by the U.S. Government. I don't know if that includes all foreign aid, or if it's a subset of the total.

The 2.1% figure I quoted is for foreign charitable donations by private citizens. This would make the total donations from the USA 2.24% of GNP.

IIRC, I read the government of Norway gives .92% of GNP as charitable foreign aid.

I don't know what percentage their individuals give, but the article I provided the link to said "No nation comes even remotely close to the U.S. on these things,"


They were discussing this on WLS earlier today and that statement would appear to be true.

dxAce
Michigan
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Leaving CanaDuh in the dust as usual. (Hopefully soon to be left in the fallout).


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Old December 30th 04, 05:45 AM
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"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

m II wrote:

Mark S. Holden wrote:

I don't know if it's still accurate, but this web site:

http://www.aglimmerofhope.org/philanthrophy/newsweek_02_02.htm

has a quote from a February 2002 Newsweek article that says private American donors give 2.1% of our GNP to foreign aid each year. This is in addition to what our government gives. Here's a quote I like from the article:

"No nation comes even remotely close to the U.S. on these things," says Scott Walker of the Philanthropy Roundtable. "If you're in Sweden or France, it's something the government is supposed to do. If you were in England, it is the nobility. Americans
don't think it's enough to say, 'I gave at the office with taxes'."


00.14 percent. Nowhere near what you quoted.

=====================================
In 2003, Norway spent $308 per capita on foreign aid, compared to
$23.76 for the United States.

http://www.fsmitha.com/world/norway.html
==============================


Mike

I saw the .14% figure you found listed someplace as the figure for foreign charitable donations by the U.S. Government. I don't know if that includes all foreign aid, or if it's a subset of the total.

The 2.1% figure I quoted is for foreign charitable donations by private citizens. This would make the total donations from the USA 2.24% of GNP.

IIRC, I read the government of Norway gives .92% of GNP as charitable foreign aid.

I don't know what percentage their individuals give, but the article I provided the link to said "No nation comes even remotely close to the U.S. on these things,"


I was referring to official government aid for international disaster
relief, which is less than 1% of GNP for all nations that have foreign
disaster relief programs. Even so, many are closer to 1% of GNP than the
US. Worldwide government sponsored charitable aid is falling as many
countries continue to get richer. So much for the 'rising tide' theory
of wealth distribution.
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starman wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

m II wrote:

Mark S. Holden wrote:


I don't know if it's still accurate, but this web site:

http://www.aglimmerofhope.org/philanthrophy/newsweek_02_02.htm

has a quote from a February 2002 Newsweek article that says private American donors give 2.1% of our GNP to foreign aid each year. This is in addition to what our government gives. Here's a quote I like from the article:

"No nation comes even remotely close to the U.S. on these things," says Scott Walker of the Philanthropy Roundtable. "If you're in Sweden or France, it's something the government is supposed to do. If you were in England, it is the nobility. Americans
don't think it's enough to say, 'I gave at the office with taxes'."

00.14 percent. Nowhere near what you quoted.

=====================================
In 2003, Norway spent $308 per capita on foreign aid, compared to
$23.76 for the United States.

http://www.fsmitha.com/world/norway.html
==============================


Mike

I saw the .14% figure you found listed someplace as the figure for foreign charitable donations by the U.S. Government. I don't know if that includes all foreign aid, or if it's a subset of the total.

The 2.1% figure I quoted is for foreign charitable donations by private citizens. This would make the total donations from the USA 2.24% of GNP.

IIRC, I read the government of Norway gives .92% of GNP as charitable foreign aid.

I don't know what percentage their individuals give, but the article I provided the link to said "No nation comes even remotely close to the U.S. on these things,"



I was referring to official government aid for international disaster
relief, which is less than 1% of GNP for all nations that have foreign
disaster relief programs. Even so, many are closer to 1% of GNP than the
US. Worldwide government sponsored charitable aid is falling as many
countries continue to get richer. So much for the 'rising tide' theory
of wealth distribution.


By restricting your count to the dollars that come from governments,
you're not getting the full picture.

Compare the total donations (public and private) from the USA with the
total donations from other countries.

I think you'll find the USA is at or near the top of the list.

One of the reasons is the U.S. government subsidizes private donations
by allowing us to deduct charitable donations from our taxable income.

Raise our taxes to fund government donations of 1% of GNP, and I think
you'll see the total donations from our country will go down because the
government isn't as efficient as individuals when it comes to allocating
money.

A dollar from a check the government cuts isn't any more valuable than a
dollar from a check you or I write - but if you send your dollar to the
government first, a healthy chunk of it will end up getting spent on
overhead before the rest finds it's way to the victims.


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Old December 30th 04, 02:34 PM
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What happens to that famous American giving statistic when you remove
donations to churches? If you give because you think you'll go to
Hell if you don't that's not giving. It's paying protection to
gangsters.


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Old December 30th 04, 02:41 PM
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David wrote:

What happens to that famous American giving statistic when you remove
donations to churches? If you give because you think you'll go to
Hell if you don't that's not giving. It's paying protection to
gangsters.


Damn, more delusional rhetoric from the 'tard boy.

Do you dream this crap up while you're sleeping?

Boggling.

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