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Al Patrick January 2nd 05 02:57 PM

Wal-Mart to start selling DRM radios!
 
I heard yesterday on shortwave that we can look for DRM radios shortly
at a Wal-Mart near YOU! :-) I don't think they mentioned a brand. I
just did a search of http://www.walmart.com/ - the entire site - for DRM
and got NO finds. It DID automatically CONVERT my DRM to tell me there
were 1140 occurances of DRUM! :-)

Someone may want to check about once a week and let us know when they
are in stock.

Al

[email protected] January 2nd 05 04:37 PM


helmsman wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 09:57:42 -0500, Al Patrick

wrote:

I heard yesterday on shortwave that we can look for DRM radios

shortly
at a Wal-Mart near YOU! :-) I don't think they mentioned a brand.

I
just did a search of http://www.walmart.com/ - the entire site - for

DRM
and got NO finds. It DID automatically CONVERT my DRM to tell me

there
were 1140 occurances of DRUM! :-)

Someone may want to check about once a week and let us know when

they
are in stock.

Al


Do they kill a cat with every purchase? Or is it just one per truck

load.

It's a good idea to watch Ebay, too. It'll soon be flooded with all the
DRM receivers purchased new at Walmart.


RHF January 2nd 05 04:38 PM

AP,
..
I did not find DRM on the Walmart website, but I did find
- - - " Passport To World Band Radio " @ $14.36 + S&H
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=2618511
..
"DRM" also gets a lot of Hits for 'Digital Rights Management' (DRM)
..
more than you wanted to know ~ RHF
..


[email protected] January 2nd 05 04:48 PM

Does wal fart fire a wal fart lady employee when the wal fart lady
employee on her lunch break takes an eldery lady customer of wal fart to
the eldery lady's home and the wal fart lady employee makes it back to
the wal fart store before her lunch break is over? There is at least one
instance of that,that did happen.wal fart Gestapo,they meet you at the
front doors going and coming.
cuhulin


RHF January 2nd 05 04:52 PM

For One and All,
..
FWIW - Here is a Link to the "Ask Walmart"
OnLine Inquiry-Request Form webpage.
http://www.walmartstores.com/wmstore...OnlineForm.jsp
..
hth ~ RHF
..


James January 2nd 05 06:01 PM


"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...
I heard yesterday on shortwave that we can look for DRM radios shortly
at a Wal-Mart near YOU! :-) I don't think they mentioned a brand.


At the risk of putting my hand into the
hollow of a tree and finding a nest of racoons
residing therin, could someone in here please
explain just what a DRM radio is....?



johndobbs January 2nd 05 06:42 PM


James wrote:
"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...
I heard yesterday on shortwave that we can look for DRM radios

shortly
at a Wal-Mart near YOU! :-) I don't think they mentioned a brand.


At the risk of putting my hand into the
hollow of a tree and finding a nest of racoons
residing therin, could someone in here please
explain just what a DRM radio is....?


DRM is a form of digital AM radio. Right now, when you receive AM (MW)
broadcasts, they are broadcast as analogue. Digital radio digitizes the
broadcast and you need a digital receiver to decode it. It improves the
signal greatly. It's like listening to FM, and some say it's better
than FM. There is no static....just pure audio. Europeans have already
been experimenting in the shortwave portion with DRM, and some
receivers, like the TenTec 320D, can receive these test broadcasts at
this time. Now, there are some U.S. MW (AM BCB) stations also
broadcasting in digital. One that comes to mind is WOR out of NYC. But
as far as I know -- it's a different standard than DRM. (And I
certainly could be wrong about that). In other words -- you would need
a different decoder for the U.S. version than the DRM(?). That's really
about the size of that. And just off the top of my head, DRM stands for
-- Digital Radio Mondial. It's just the name of the European consortium
that is formulating all this. Will it go over and digital AM radio
become the standard; or will it become like what happened to AM stereo?
Only time will tell.


Al Patrick January 2nd 05 07:14 PM

They REQUIRE way too much info just to send them email!

RHF wrote:

For One and All,
.
FWIW - Here is a Link to the "Ask Walmart"
OnLine Inquiry-Request Form webpage.
http://www.walmartstores.com/wmstore...OnlineForm.jsp
.
hth ~ RHF
.


Al Patrick January 2nd 05 07:30 PM

Go to www.drm.org to learn all the nitty gritty details.

DRM: Technical Aspects of The On-Air System

The DRM on-air system will propel the AM broadcasting bands below 30 MHz
— short-wave, medium-wave and long-wave - to the next level.

DRM is the only universal, non-proprietary digital AM radio system with
near-FM quality sound available to markets worldwide.

The quality of DRM audio is excellent, and the improvement upon analogue
AM is immediately noticeable. DRM can be used for a range of audio
content, including multi-lingual speech and music.

Besides providing near-FM quality audio, the DRM system has the capacity
to integrate data and text. This additional content can be displayed on
DRM receivers to enhance the listening experience.

Unlike digital systems that require a new frequency allocation, DRM uses
existing AM broadcast frequency bands. The DRM signal is designed to fit
in with the existing AM broadcast band plan, based on signals of 9 kHz
or10kHz bandwidth. It has modes requiring as little as 4.5kHz or 5kHz
bandwidth, plus modes that can take advantage of wider bandwidths, such
as 18 or 20kHz.

---------

The above, except the first line, is a cut & paste from that site.

Al

=============

James wrote:

"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...

I heard yesterday on shortwave that we can look for DRM radios shortly
at a Wal-Mart near YOU! :-) I don't think they mentioned a brand.



At the risk of putting my hand into the
hollow of a tree and finding a nest of racoons
residing therin, could someone in here please
explain just what a DRM radio is....?



tianli January 2nd 05 07:33 PM

Oh great! Some more Chinese JUNK to empty your wallet. Wal-Mart radio -
LOL!

"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...
I heard yesterday on shortwave that we can look for DRM radios shortly
at a Wal-Mart near YOU! :-) I don't think they mentioned a brand. I
just did a search of http://www.walmart.com/ - the entire site - for DRM
and got NO finds. It DID automatically CONVERT my DRM to tell me there
were 1140 occurances of DRUM! :-)

Someone may want to check about once a week and let us know when they
are in stock.

Al




Fredrick Garvin January 2nd 05 07:51 PM

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 14:30:37 -0500, Al Patrick wrote:

Go to www.drm.org to learn all the nitty gritty details.

DRM: Technical Aspects of The On-Air System

The DRM on-air system will propel the AM broadcasting bands below 30 MHz
short-wave, medium-wave and long-wave - to the next level.

DRM is the only universal, non-proprietary digital AM radio system with
near FM quality sound available to markets worldwide.

The quality of DRM audio is excellent, and the improvement upon analogue
AM is immediately noticeable. DRM can be used for a range of audio
content, including multi-lingual speech and music.

Besides providing near-FM quality audio, the DRM system has the capacity
to integrate data and text. This additional content can be displayed on
DRM receivers to enhance the listening experience.

Unlike digital systems that require a new frequency allocation, DRM uses
existing AM broadcast frequency bands. The DRM signal is designed to fit
in with the existing AM broadcast band plan, based on signals of 9 kHz
or10kHz bandwidth. It has modes requiring as little as 4.5kHz or 5kHz
bandwidth, plus modes that can take advantage of wider bandwidths, such
as 18 or 20kHz.




Now people can listen to their pantload of commercials on AM in FM quality
sound! WOW! Can't freakin' wait!!!!

Commercial radio sucks anymore. It's all commercials now.









Fredrick Garvin January 2nd 05 08:07 PM

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 16:34:44 +0000, helmsman wrote:

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 09:57:42 -0500, Al Patrick wrote:

I heard yesterday on shortwave that we can look for DRM radios shortly
at a Wal-Mart near YOU! :-) I don't think they mentioned a brand. I
just did a search of http://www.walmart.com/ - the entire site - for DRM
and got NO finds. It DID automatically CONVERT my DRM to tell me there
were 1140 occurances of DRUM! :-)

Someone may want to check about once a week and let us know when they
are in stock.

Al


Do they kill a cat with every purchase? Or is it just one per truck load.



No but they kill fish instead. Just go to their fish area and see how good
they are at taking care of the fish. They're good at keeping dead ones.

Seriously. Go count the dead the dead fish next time you go.



m II January 2nd 05 08:33 PM

James wrote:
"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...

I heard yesterday on shortwave that we can look for DRM radios shortly
at a Wal-Mart near YOU! :-) I don't think they mentioned a brand.



At the risk of putting my hand into the
hollow of a tree and finding a nest of racoons
residing therin, could someone in here please
explain just what a DRM radio is....?



Digital Raccoon Movement Radio. It lets you detect the furry
inhabitants BEFORE you put your hand in. It's the latest craze. No
more lost fingers make the world a better place and driving more fun.


mike





--

Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No
matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got
there first, and is waiting for it.


Terry Pratchett

Al Patrick January 2nd 05 08:35 PM

Fredrick Garvin wrote:

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 14:30:37 -0500, Al Patrick wrote:


Go to www.drm.org to learn all the nitty gritty details.

DRM: Technical Aspects of The On-Air System

The DRM on-air system will propel the AM broadcasting bands below 30 MHz
short-wave, medium-wave and long-wave - to the next level.

DRM is the only universal, non-proprietary digital AM radio system with
near FM quality sound available to markets worldwide.

The quality of DRM audio is excellent, and the improvement upon analogue
AM is immediately noticeable. DRM can be used for a range of audio
content, including multi-lingual speech and music.

Besides providing near-FM quality audio, the DRM system has the capacity
to integrate data and text. This additional content can be displayed on
DRM receivers to enhance the listening experience.

Unlike digital systems that require a new frequency allocation, DRM uses
existing AM broadcast frequency bands. The DRM signal is designed to fit
in with the existing AM broadcast band plan, based on signals of 9 kHz
or10kHz bandwidth. It has modes requiring as little as 4.5kHz or 5kHz
bandwidth, plus modes that can take advantage of wider bandwidths, such
as 18 or 20kHz.





Now people can listen to their pantload of commercials on AM in FM quality
sound! WOW! Can't freakin' wait!!!!

Commercial radio sucks anymore. It's all commercials now.


Something or someone has to pay for the costs (and there are many)
involved with air time. If you, or anyone else, prefers to pay for
commercial free radio that is an option. There are $10 per month plans
and $13 per month plans with two well known companies. Most, I think,
would prefer to put up with the commercials than pay to listen.

Of course, there are always, CDs, tapes, MP3 players, DVDs, etc. that
one can purchase and they may be commercial free.

About Wal-Mart and the radios. They are not "Wal-Mart radios" but will
be sold by Wal-Mart. OTOH, Don't be too surprised if you learn that
Wal-Mart actually OWNS some of the plants that manufacture for them! :-(

Mark Zenier January 2nd 05 08:37 PM

In article ps.com,
James wrote:

"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...
I heard yesterday on shortwave that we can look for DRM radios shortly
at a Wal-Mart near YOU! :-) I don't think they mentioned a brand.


At the risk of putting my hand into the
hollow of a tree and finding a nest of racoons
residing therin, could someone in here please
explain just what a DRM radio is....?


Digital Radio Mondial, which translates (from French) to
World-Wide Digital Radio. It's a system that transmits
a digital datastream of (somewhere around) 20-40k bits
per second in a bandwidth of 9 or 10 kHz using several
hundred subcarriers, each modulated at a slow data rate.

In this datastream is a highly compressed audio broadcast,
with some sort of computer readable data alongside.

If you run across what sounds like white noise (using AM)
over a 10 kHz wide signal, or with a strange tonal waterfall
sound using SSB, this is probably a DRM transmission.
In North America, try 9800 kHz in the afternoon (22:00? to 2:00?
UTC) for the Canadian transmitter at Sackville.

Mark Zenier Washington State resident




Joe Analssandrini January 2nd 05 09:48 PM

Dear Al,

And, like ALL digital media, you either HEAR IT or you DON'T! Can't
wait to listen to heavily fading signals via DRM! Even with
"buffering," you're going to need Bufferin!

Yes sir - the "next level!"

Digital media is also very easy to censor (and jam, for that matter).
(Maybe that's a good thing, vis a vis our wonderful(?) "religious"
short wave broadcasters. Can't wait to hear "Hallelujah - Send Me
Money" in high-fidelity sound!)

Include me out.

Best,

Joe


RHF January 2nd 05 11:19 PM

JA,
..
The 'object' being to "Interupt" the Data Stream
and thus cause the Radio NOT to Receive [.]
..
A moderately powered Random Burst Transmitter
should make most DRM Signals NOT There !
[ Un-Decode-Able By The Signal Processor ]
..
jm2cw ~ RHF
..
..


Al Patrick January 3rd 05 12:09 AM

Joe,

I expect you were already included out! ;-)

Al

=========

Joe Analssandrini wrote:

Dear Al,

And, like ALL digital media, you either HEAR IT or you DON'T! Can't
wait to listen to heavily fading signals via DRM! Even with
"buffering," you're going to need Bufferin!

Yes sir - the "next level!"

Digital media is also very easy to censor (and jam, for that matter).
(Maybe that's a good thing, vis a vis our wonderful(?) "religious"
short wave broadcasters. Can't wait to hear "Hallelujah - Send Me
Money" in high-fidelity sound!)

Include me out.

Best,

Joe


Brian Hill January 3rd 05 12:12 AM


"m II" wrote in message

Digital Raccoon Movement Radio. It lets you detect the furry
inhabitants BEFORE you put your hand in. It's the latest craze. No
more lost fingers make the world a better place and driving more fun.


mike


mike your visa has expired, Please leave now and take your relatives with
you. :)

B.H.



Fredrick Garvin January 3rd 05 12:30 AM

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 15:35:41 -0500, Al Patrick wrote:

Fredrick Garvin wrote:

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 14:30:37 -0500, Al Patrick wrote:


Go to www.drm.org to learn all the nitty gritty details.

DRM: Technical Aspects of The On-Air System

The DRM on-air system will propel the AM broadcasting bands below 30 MHz
short-wave, medium-wave and long-wave - to the next level.

DRM is the only universal, non-proprietary digital AM radio system with
near FM quality sound available to markets worldwide.

The quality of DRM audio is excellent, and the improvement upon analogue
AM is immediately noticeable. DRM can be used for a range of audio
content, including multi-lingual speech and music.

Besides providing near-FM quality audio, the DRM system has the capacity
to integrate data and text. This additional content can be displayed on
DRM receivers to enhance the listening experience.

Unlike digital systems that require a new frequency allocation, DRM uses
existing AM broadcast frequency bands. The DRM signal is designed to fit
in with the existing AM broadcast band plan, based on signals of 9 kHz
or10kHz bandwidth. It has modes requiring as little as 4.5kHz or 5kHz
bandwidth, plus modes that can take advantage of wider bandwidths, such
as 18 or 20kHz.





Now people can listen to their pantload of commercials on AM in FM quality
sound! WOW! Can't freakin' wait!!!!

Commercial radio sucks anymore. It's all commercials now.


Something or someone has to pay for the costs (and there are many)
involved with air time. If you, or anyone else, prefers to pay for
commercial free radio that is an option. There are $10 per month plans
and $13 per month plans with two well known companies. Most, I think,
would prefer to put up with the commercials than pay to listen.



I got XM a year and a half ago, never looked back. I'd rather get
programing and not over 50% of commercials thanks.


Of course, there are always, CDs, tapes, MP3 players, DVDs, etc. that
one can purchase and they may be commercial free.



Yes, that is an option of coarse as well.

About Wal-Mart and the radios. They are not "Wal-Mart radios" but will
be sold by Wal-Mart. OTOH, Don't be too surprised if you learn that
Wal-Mart actually OWNS some of the plants that manufacture for them! :-(


I don't care! Walmart sucks ass anyway.




Brenda Ann January 3rd 05 12:56 AM


Someone, somewhere wrote:

Of course, there are always, CDs, tapes, MP3 players, DVDs, etc. that
one can purchase and they may be commercial free.


Commercial free DVD's?? What a concept! I haven't bought a new DVD in ages
that didn't have commercials on it.. and you can't skip the damned things...
those, and the FBI/Interpol warnings... you have no choice but to let them
run.. one DVD I have here takes a good 15 minutes to get to the actual
feature!!




Dan Morisseau January 3rd 05 02:36 AM

wrote:


It's a good idea to watch Ebay, too. It'll soon be flooded with all the
DRM receivers purchased new at Walmart.


Or (more likely) STOLEN new!


--
Milepost 11.7 - UPRR Jeff City Sub - N 38°34'53", W 90°22'32", 680'
"We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to
visit violence on those who would do us harm"

Telamon January 3rd 05 07:22 AM

In article .com,
"Joe Analssandrini" wrote:

Dear Al,

And, like ALL digital media, you either HEAR IT or you DON'T! Can't
wait to listen to heavily fading signals via DRM! Even with
"buffering," you're going to need Bufferin!

Yes sir - the "next level!"

Digital media is also very easy to censor (and jam, for that matter).
(Maybe that's a good thing, vis a vis our wonderful(?) "religious"
short wave broadcasters. Can't wait to hear "Hallelujah - Send Me
Money" in high-fidelity sound!)

Include me out.

"Even with "buffering," you're going to need Bufferin!"

That's a pretty good line!

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

ULpilotSC January 16th 05 05:49 AM


Commercial free DVD's?? What a concept! I haven't bought a new DVD in ages
that didn't have commercials on it.. and you can't skip the damned things...
those, and the FBI/Interpol warnings... you have no choice but to let them
run.. one DVD I have here takes a good 15 minutes to get to the actual
feature!!



boycott buying them. buy a cheap DVD recorder for you 'puter. use free software
from the net, and copy your rentals. remove all the commercials, and the
warnings, menus, etc. makes DVD viewing more fun.


Shortwave January 18th 05 12:09 AM


"ULpilotSC" wrote in message
...

Commercial free DVD's?? What a concept! I haven't bought a new DVD in
ages
that didn't have commercials on it.. and you can't skip the damned
things...
those, and the FBI/Interpol warnings... you have no choice but to let them
run.. one DVD I have here takes a good 15 minutes to get to the actual
feature!!



boycott buying them. buy a cheap DVD recorder for you 'puter. use free
software
from the net, and copy your rentals. remove all the commercials, and the
warnings, menus, etc. makes DVD viewing more fun.


You do realise that this is illegal! Every video has a copyright and it is
unlawfull for anybody to copy the item without permission of the copyright
holder, but hey, who gives a ****. I been doin it for ages :-)
SW




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