"Leonard Martin" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Stinger" wrote:

"running dogg" wrote in message
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Interesting how when the conservatives in this NG (followups reset to
correct group) post commentary, it's OK, but when liberals do it, it's
"tardism".

Close, but not *quite* right....

When the conservatives post, it's generally a well-thought and coherent
argument, based on actual facts.

When the liberals post, it's almost always a shallow, ill-thought-out, or
completely false premise (usually ignoring logic altogether), or just
name-calling....In other words -- "tardism."

-- Stinger


TARDISM IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER.

Leonard


You're too modest. Most of us think it's in your whole head.

-- Stinger

RD,
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So why don't we just Total Up the Number of 'original'
"Off Topic" posts by MII and DaviD.
[ So Called 'enlightened' "Liberals". ]
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Next count up the Number of 'original' "Off Topic" posts
by all those you would label as a Conservative.
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The Numbers Do Not Balance Out [.]
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For the most part the 'enlightened' "Liberals" post
here to SHOVE their Liberal View Point in the
Conservatives Faces; and to PROVOKE a Response by the
Conservatives.
[ Generating a Home Invasion Response. ]
..
The Conservatives view the Actions of these 'enlightened'
"Liberals" as a Plan-of-Attack to DISRUPT the general
functioning of this NewsGroup.
..
When I see a Lie or Distortion posted by one of these
so called 'enlightened' "Liberals"; I do and will reply
with what I believe to be the Facts and the Truth.
[ I Do Not Concede this NewsGroup to the Liberals. ]
..
NOTE - I listen to a variety of Shortwave, Talk Radio and
NPR Programs to have a better grasp of "What-is-the-Truth"
to the best of my knowledge and understanding.
..
..
at least that is the opinion of one conservative ~ RHF

In article ,
uncle arnie wrote:

I didn't hear this commentary, and this is not exactly on your topic, but RA
had a guy who commented that alot of countries make aid agencies buy
supplies in the home country with the monies they collect, and that alot of
aid does not leave the donor country. It was hard to get a sense of what
countries that was. I think it is very important to do some good research
before donating to make sure the funds are actually going to the right
places and not remaining in the pockets of the agency collecting it.

There other comment was about suspending interest and debt payments (? 4
billion for Indonesia - not sure I got this right, and I don't know if AUS
$ or other).

Re your topic, there are always the pundits who are prepared to make dumb
comments about anything. BTW I'm betting neither Killer Kofi or the silly
announcer can ski. Kofi Annan lost all credibility when he failed to back
up General Deliaire in Rwanda and let a million+ people get massacred by
not sending in reinforcements for the UN soldiers there in 1993. Delaire's
book "Shake Hands with the Devil" tells the story in complete and
disturbing detail. Unbelievable that Annan is running the UN.
Unbelievable he's running anything at all.

As you know I am a program listener. I'm interested various program
material (read culture) across the globe. Like many I like to hear other
countries take on current events but like any sane human being it has to
be intelligent commentary, which is not necessarily defined by how I
happen to think.

I generally like Green's self effacing humor but there was none this
time around. In its stead was just an ignorant opinion and that was not
enough so he had to extrapolate his tongue-lashing to what we will do
next. You would have thought after the idiot at the UN made the stingy
comment about the US earlier this week Green would have thought better
than going with another knock at nations trying to do good in a time of
need. Essentially it looks to me that people in the UN and people like
Green use the misfortune of others to play their favorite brand of
politicks. This sort of thing makes me ill.

The remark I made about skiing was that Kofi was skiing in Colorado at
the time of the disaster. Because Kofi was off on vacation another UN
idiot made the stingy comments shortly after the disaster and while the
US was actually delivering aid.

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:24, Telamon
posted to rec.radio.shortwave:
%MM

Radio Netherlands weekends 19 to 21 hrs UTC
17810
17725
15315

I just listened to a news commentary by Robert Green on Radio
Netherlands and concluded that he is a complete idiot. He complains that
the huge response in of money to the tsunami destruction in Asia is due
to western national guilt and not a response to the magnitude of the
destruction and death to that event. He furthers this line of
thoughtlessness by postulating that this act will be leveraged to offset
any future contributions for aid to future disasters.

This is just another demonstration of the liberal mindset at work with
its distortion of facts of an event, the motivations of entities in
response to it and of course how everyone should behave instead.

It also demonstrates how one stupid assumption is magnified as one
continues to use it as a foundation for further conjecture.

Robert Green should forget broadcasting, go skiing with Kofi Annan
instead, and let the world take care of itself.


--
Telamon
Ventura, California

RHF wrote:


For the most part the 'enlightened' "Liberals" post
here to SHOVE their Liberal View Point in the
Conservatives Faces; and to PROVOKE a Response by the
Conservatives.

No No NO..you've got this sensationalist journalism thing all wrong!
Has advertising taught you NOTHING?

A suggested approach:

==================================================
==================================================
You've got to put MORE **EMPHASIS** in your PATRIOTIC Rebuttals to these

G_O_D_L_E_S_S *HEATHENS* who are a THREAT and MENACE to the VERY FIBER of

your FREEDOM LOVING SOULS. DEATH to the INFIDELS who **DARE** pray to the
SAME G_D as you.

!!!!!!!!GIVE ME THEIR OIL or GIVE THEM DEATH!!!!!!

==================================================
==================================================


See? Just a bit more energy makes all the difference in the world.




mike

MII - I am glad that 'you' "Feel"' better now - Express Yourself !
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B
U
T
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You have Failed to Address the Real Issue here in this NewsGroup.
The simple fact that You and DaviD 'initiate' more "Off Topic"
Posts here then all the so called Consevative Posters Combine [.]
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OBTW - Thank You for the above post. That is how I "SEE" the
Written Word It's a Right Brain -=V=- Left Brain Thing
.. . . I Think ;-}

I just listened to a news commentary by Robert Green on Radio
Netherlands and concluded that he is a complete idiot. He complains that
the huge response in of money to the tsunami destruction in Asia is due
to western national guilt and not a response to the magnitude of the
destruction and death to that event.

Hmmm, yeah, I probably would feel less "guilt'(?) had I not contributed.

A typical Socialist Liberal Dohf!

In article ,
Telamon wrote:

I just listened to a news commentary by Robert Green on Radio
Netherlands and concluded that he is a complete idiot. He complains that
the huge response in of money to the tsunami destruction in Asia is due
to western national guilt and not a response to the magnitude of the
destruction and death to that event. He furthers this line of
thoughtlessness by postulating that this act will be leveraged to offset
any future contributions for aid to future disasters.

This is just another demonstration of the liberal mindset at work with
its distortion of facts of an event, the motivations of entities in
response to it and of course how everyone should behave instead.

Hey, I heard it too. (6195 kHz, 04:20 on Sunday, local Saturday evening)

I thought it was pretty frigging cynical, but probably too close to
the truth. This fund raising thing is getting a bit out of hand, and
his point is that if this could have negative effects next time around
and a lot of beneficiaries aren't the poorest countries around.

People who are on a feel-good trip thinking that their efforts can only
help and not hurt should think about their addiction to "doing good
things" that really aren't necessary. Remember the people who donated
tons of stuff to New York City after 9/11 which later was found to be
unneeded and looted out of the warehouses it was stored in. The poor
******* who bankrupted himself buying a truckload of gloves and stuff
should be a cautionary tale for all of us.

And I bet Robert Green would be amused that you would classify him
as anything as right wing as "liberal".

Did you listen to Amsterdam Forum, too. It was interesting. A
repeat of a program from Oct. '03 about the problems caused by
(and to) people who live on the Internet and tailor their readings
and participation to only things they agree with, and how a forum
where everybody is in agreement leads the participants getting more
and more extreme and disconnected from reality. (I don't think
that's a problem with r.r.s).

Mark Zenier Washington State resident

Hey! I am slightly on the liberal side, and I don't feel this way at
all.

Robert Green is wrong - My wife and I sent some $$ because we felt bad
(I won't differentiate between pity and sympathy here) for the folks in
SE Asia that got smacked by the wave. It wasn't guilt, and it surely
isn't guilt that makes us happy our government is chipping in either.

And apart from that, it's just what we do...and that makes me proud.

And I think, if another disaster befalls someone, we'll do it
again...because it's just what we do. Green is wrong.

But Telamon, you don't quite have it right, either. Not all liberals
think like Green.

Bruce Jensen

In article .com,
"bpnjensen" wrote:

Hey! I am slightly on the liberal side, and I don't feel this way at
all.

Robert Green is wrong - My wife and I sent some $$ because we felt
bad (I won't differentiate between pity and sympathy here) for the
folks in SE Asia that got smacked by the wave. It wasn't guilt, and
it surely isn't guilt that makes us happy our government is chipping
in either.

And apart from that, it's just what we do...and that makes me proud.

And I think, if another disaster befalls someone, we'll do it
again...because it's just what we do. Green is wrong.

But Telamon, you don't quite have it right, either. Not all liberals
think like Green.

Thank god that all liberals don't think like Green but I do think I have
it right. If you were a far to left liberal instead of "slightly on the
liberal side" you would be thinking same as Mr. Green.

Criticism works for the good when it is constructive. There was nothing
constructive in Mr. Greens monolog. You can't go around publicly bad
mouthing peoples intent to provide charity to others facing disaster.

Our intent is an expression of our will. Charity is giving, which by
definition requires one to relinquish control over goods. I don't know
what one can do other than give what they perceive as needed and to
require them to be responsible for what other people do with those goods
is nonsensical. It's just like anything else in life. You do what you
think is best, take your best shot and let things fall where they may.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California