It was a relative of Vincent van Gogh, not da Vinci.

tianli wrote:


I have a question for you. Why don't you find such commentary offensive?


Because I find all religious broadcasters offensive.
It is called freedom of speech and equal time.

BTW: I was watching an interview on FOX of a man in Holland(?) (where the
Divinci relative was murdered recently) and he was on a mission to "deal"
with Muslim religious fundamentalists in his country. Needless to say he
said he was being guarded by the police 24/7, can't go home to sleep or
see his family often, but was determined to press for the "removal" of
fundamentalism.

RHF wrote:

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God {Allah} Bless America - Live Free or Die - Amen ~ RHF
.

God bless all people and lead them to peace and grace. As for live free of
die. How about live free and die in bed in old age, with your family
around you.

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uncle arnie wrote:

It was a relative of Vincent van Gogh, not da Vinci.

tianli wrote:


I have a question for you. Why don't you find such commentary offensive?


Because I find all religious broadcasters offensive.
It is called freedom of speech and equal time.

BTW: I was watching an interview on FOX of a man in Holland(?) (where the
Divinci relative was murdered recently) and he was on a mission to "deal"
with Muslim religious fundamentalists in his country. Needless to say he
said he was being guarded by the police 24/7, can't go home to sleep or
see his family often, but was determined to press for the "removal" of
fundamentalism.


Personally, I don't believe we can have too much mockery of
Christianity. When it's left alone and left to develop--or
fester--unmocked, it tends to revert to the worst bottom-line redneck
absurdities of its ignorant American version. Then we have things like
"Christian" pharmacists refusing to give out birth control pills because
of their obvious evilness.

Whenever a group of people are clinging to traditional nonsense against
the implicit assault of encroaching rationalism, they seem to feel that
they have to hunker down and embrace even the most extreme absurdities
of their faith. Thus we have fundamentalist islamites going crazy over
the necessity of their women wearing burkahs.

Fundamentalism is fundamentalism, whether here or in Islam-land, and
it's unique in its ability to make people into fools.

Leonard




Great post!!

BDK

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(Mark Zenier) wrote:

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Telamon wrote:
I guess he's on a bent to **** me off. This week it's a slam on
Christians. A little late for the holiday but that just falls in line
with nothing else right about it. Christ did not exist was the point of
the, I guess you would call it, commentary. I think he is trying to be

Let me guess. You hit the ceiling when he compared Jesus with magician
David Blaine and said the Resurrection was done with mirrors. (BTW, I
didn't hear him say that Jesus didn't exist, just a number of miracles
like the "water into wine" and "the loaves and fishes").

funny but he is not. Radio Netherlands should just blow this guy off.
Independent thinking does not mean broadcasting ignorant thought or
blatantly offending other peoples religion.

Wonder if Mr. Green will be man enough to insult Muslim's next week by
insisting Muhammad did not exist. He just makes himself out to sound
like some Trolling jackass in the news group. Robert Green, on the air
international SW Troll and coward.

Hey bucko, free speech doesn't mean that YOU are free from irritation.
It means that Green or anybody else isn't going to get burned at the
stake for the offense.

This is not a free speech issue. He was not just expressing his beliefs
in God or not. He was just being insulting of a group that is not liable
to physically attack him. He is just a coward for being insulting to
Christians. I don't want him burned at the stake just kicked off the air.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article
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Leonard Martin wrote:

In article ,
uncle arnie wrote:

It was a relative of Vincent van Gogh, not da Vinci.

tianli wrote:


I have a question for you. Why don't you find such commentary offensive?


Because I find all religious broadcasters offensive.
It is called freedom of speech and equal time.

BTW: I was watching an interview on FOX of a man in Holland(?) (where the
Divinci relative was murdered recently) and he was on a mission to "deal"
with Muslim religious fundamentalists in his country. Needless to say he
said he was being guarded by the police 24/7, can't go home to sleep or
see his family often, but was determined to press for the "removal" of
fundamentalism.


Personally, I don't believe we can have too much mockery of
Christianity. When it's left alone and left to develop--or
fester--unmocked,

Snip

Let us know what you care about so we can make fun of it. Sounds like
you need a little of what you want to dish out in kind.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Leonard Martin wrote:

In article

,
Telamon wrote:

In article
,
Leonard Martin wrote:

In article ,
uncle arnie wrote:

It was a relative of Vincent van Gogh, not da Vinci.

tianli wrote:


I have a question for you. Why don't you find such commentary
offensive?


Because I find all religious broadcasters offensive.
It is called freedom of speech and equal time.

BTW: I was watching an interview on FOX of a man in Holland(?) (where
the
Divinci relative was murdered recently) and he was on a mission to
"deal"
with Muslim religious fundamentalists in his country. Needless to say
he
said he was being guarded by the police 24/7, can't go home to sleep or
see his family often, but was determined to press for the "removal" of
fundamentalism.


Personally, I don't believe we can have too much mockery of
Christianity. When it's left alone and left to develop--or
fester--unmocked,

Snip

Let us know what you care about so we can make fun of it. Sounds like
you need a little of what you want to dish out in kind.

What I care about is made fun of and viciously insulted by Rush and his
spawn approximately 16 hours a day on my local AM radio station and
millions of stations just like it all over the country. They not only
deride most of what I believe in, they constantly say vicious things
about the intelligence and integrity of persons like me, and they
routinely attack our patriotism and suggest that there is no place in
the country for our world view.

Whenever I listen to those guys I soon get so angry I can hardly speak.
After I calm down I rationally think that it's sad that they get to
engage in such vituperation, while on the other side NPR and the major
networks still make a good-faith effort to be balanced.

NPR... balanced? Come on.



Apparently, this is what our public discourse has come to under the
influence of the fury of our right wing. Today I think that the
imposition of these two different sets of self-imposed rules on the two
great political groupings of the nation will hurt us tremendously in the
long run. I'd like to hear leftists and liberals stop being polite and
come out swinging too. If they did, I would hope someone like Robert
Green would step forward here to would be my champion.

Leonard

--
"Everything that rises must converge"
--Flannery O'Connor

dxAce wrote:
Leonard Martin wrote:

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,
Telamon wrote:

In article
,
Leonard Martin wrote:

In article ,
uncle arnie wrote:

It was a relative of Vincent van Gogh, not da Vinci.

tianli wrote:


I have a question for you. Why don't you find such
commentary
offensive?


Because I find all religious broadcasters offensive.
It is called freedom of speech and equal time.

BTW: I was watching an interview on FOX of a man in
Holland(?) (where
the
Divinci relative was murdered recently) and he was on a
mission to
"deal"
with Muslim religious fundamentalists in his country.
Needless to say
he
said he was being guarded by the police 24/7, can't go home
to sleep or
see his family often, but was determined to press for the
"removal" of
fundamentalism.


Personally, I don't believe we can have too much mockery of
Christianity. When it's left alone and left to develop--or
fester--unmocked,

Snip

Let us know what you care about so we can make fun of it. Sounds
like
you need a little of what you want to dish out in kind.

What I care about is made fun of and viciously insulted by Rush
and his
spawn approximately 16 hours a day on my local AM radio station and
millions of stations just like it all over the country. They not
only
deride most of what I believe in, they constantly say vicious
things
about the intelligence and integrity of persons like me, and they
routinely attack our patriotism and suggest that there is no place
in
the country for our world view.

Whenever I listen to those guys I soon get so angry I can hardly
speak.
After I calm down I rationally think that it's sad that they get to
engage in such vituperation, while on the other side NPR and the
major
networks still make a good-faith effort to be balanced.

NPR... balanced? Come on.



Apparently, this is what our public discourse has come to under the
influence of the fury of our right wing. Today I think that the
imposition of these two different sets of self-imposed rules on the
two
great political groupings of the nation will hurt us tremendously
in the
long run. I'd like to hear leftists and liberals stop being polite
and
come out swinging too. If they did, I would hope someone like
Robert
Green would step forward here to would be my champion.

Leonard

--
"Everything that rises must converge"
--Flannery O'Connor

I used to try an listen to NPR (National Leftist Radio),
but found their overt left leaning to be a little too
much.
One of the best things to happen to me recently, other then
"discovering" where the pirates hang out, was trading a Palm IIIx
for Rio Chiba MP3 player. Since I can't listen to SW in my Civic,
I can at least listen to the music I like and avoid the mind numbing
(or should I say dumbing) nonesense on local radio.
I don't like Rush either so I guess everyone will flame me.

And as far as the "leftist coming out swinging", that will be the day
the pilot lights go out in hell. I have worked with the educational
community for the last 25+ years and the one thing I have noticed is
how willing they are for someone, anyone else to fight their fights.
And any problem can be solved by the application of someone else's
money.

Terry

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Leonard Martin wrote:
Apparently, this is what our public discourse has come to under the
influence of the fury of our right wing. Today I think that the
imposition of these two different sets of self-imposed rules on the two
great political groupings of the nation will hurt us tremendously in the
long run. I'd like to hear leftists and liberals stop being polite and
come out swinging too. If they did, I would hope someone like Robert
Green would step forward here to would be my champion.

Check out Mike Malloy(sp?), or the two Marks on "Morning Sedition"
on Air America. That sort of stuff may not be productive, but it sure
can be funny.

Mark Zenier Washington State resident