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tianli January 31st 05 01:57 AM

Steve,
He won't or can't answer your question. Every Chinese company has
"connections" with the Communist Party:
In this link are some interesting comments from a corrupt CCP businessman:
http://english.epochtimes.com/news/5-1-28/26080.html

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


wrote:

More to the point, what does your question have to do with Degen radios
and shortwave listening. [?]


It was a legitimate question regarding DEGEN radios. (And other Chinese

sets as
well)

You may not like being reminded that by your purchase you help fund the

PLA and
help promote slave labour?

Got a problem with that, 'tard boy?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

I am impressed that the designer of the DE1103
has given us some insight into that radio and more importantly has
asked the SWL community for suggestions on how to design a new radio.
That is a first for me.

I think we should focus this discussion on Degen and their shortwave
radios. And I'm sure you agree.

dxAce wrote:
Joe Analssandrini wrote:

Dear Sir,

At the risk of posting too much, may I say that I understand that

Degen
is one of China's leading radio manufacturers. As such, I hope that

the
design of this radio is a "no-holds-barred" short wave receiver of
absolute top quality. Ergonomics especially should be

user-friendly.
Menu-driven radios are perfectly acceptable IF the owner's manual

is
comprehensive and complete. (I own an AOR AR7030 Plus, the best
performing radio I have ever owned, which I find very easy to use

due
in part to its superb owner's manual. Though menu-driven, its
ergonomics are superb.) NO "FRILLS" (such as a "fake" analog dial)
should be on this radio; everything incorporated should be there

for a
distinct purpose: the best possible reception of the signals

desired.

I sincerely hope you will take into consideration my suggestion to
incorporate the various new terrestrial digital reception modes. It

is
not necessary (nor, in my opinion, desirable) to incorporate XM or
Sirius satellite "pay" reception into this forthcoming radio.

Satellite
radio can better be served by another separate receiver.

As I stated above, ABSOLUTE TOP QUALITY in DESIGN, COMPONENTS, and
CONSTRUCTION QUALITY are of PARAMOUNT importance.

Degen should market this radio in the USA under its own name. If

the
radio is a great one, this will give impetus to awareness of the

Degen
name in the United States.

I believe that, if any company can design and market a near-perfect
short wave radio, Degen is that company.

My question is: What relationship does DEGEN have to the PLA

(People's
Liberation Army)?

dxAce
Michigan
USA





Joe Analssandrini January 31st 05 07:22 PM

DEGEN DE1108 worldband receiver is now in preliminary design stage, any one has recommends on it?
 
Hello,

The radio should offer:

Dual or triple conversion with no less than excellent front-end
selectivity.

Full coverage from at least 100 kHz to 30000 kHz AM (no gaps), 76-108
MHz FM, and possibly simple air band reception (118-137 Mhz).

4 or 6 rechargeable-NiMH "D"-cell operation with MANUAL switch on back
to choose AC or Battery operation (so that AC Adapter need not be
unplugged when on battery power).

Synchronous-selectable sideband reception is a MUST. Should be designed
at least as well as that on the Grundig Satellit 800. Full passband
tuning would be even better. Lock must be held as well as on AR7030
model and must automatically turn off when tuning and then re-lock when
station is selected.

A good notch filter (with at least 50 dB depth) with range of 0.1 - 5
kHz.

At least 3 IF filters (bandwidths) (preferably 4) of 2.2 kHz, 4 kHz, 6
kHz (and possibly 1 kHz for data/CW); operation of these filters should
be cascaded so that inexpensive ceramic filters will give much better
performance than usual. (6 filter bandwidths would be ideal.) All shape
factors should be less than 1:2.

All parameters should be fully adjustable independently in all modes of
reception (except FM and the digital modes).

At least 200 memories. Tuning via knob (no "chugging" or muting),
"slew" buttons (5 kHz on SW, 9/10 kHz on MW, 9 kHz on LW, and 100 Mhz
on FM). Signal-scan automatic tuning. Memory scanning. Automatic memory
sorting. Automatic station setup (as on Sangean models) for AM and FM
memories.

Remote control operation possible with a CORDED detachable remote
control (at least 6 feet in length or adaptable to an extension cord if
user desires).

Dial illumination via LEDs, perhaps color-switchable (Red, Blue,
Green).

Dial light scheme similar to Grundig Satellit 800. (Always on or always
off with AC power, on for 15 seconds with any button push when using
battery power, or always off with batteries, as desired by user.)

Line outputs for external speaker(s) and stereo system. Excellent sound
quality is a must. Independent tone controls (Treble and Bass) should
be incorporated. Internal mono speaker of high quality is preferable to
mediocre stereo speakers.

At least two external antenna inputs for AM/SW (high and low impedence)
as well as an FM antenna input.

Built-in antennas should be: a LONG (possibly detachable) whip (PLUS a
shorter whip possibly optionally offered for travel); a LONG (at least
130 mm) internal ferrite antenna for MW and LW. External antennas to
override internal ones.

IBOC reception (AM & FM) for the US. Canadian DAB. (Possibly European
DAB.) Self-contained DRM (or a 12 kHz IF output to connect to a
DRM-equipped computer).

Clocks should be RADIO-CONTROLLED (and operated independently from
radio and powered via 2 AA or AAA batteries). Two times zones should be
available, one of which should be UTC. Local time should be adjustable
for daylight-savings time (via radio control) if required; UTC should
NOT be affected by DST change. One of the clocks (including seconds)
should ALWAYS be visible, radio on or off.

No LEDs (except for dial illumination and possibly button
illumination). Properly calibrated digital bar graph S-meter of at
least 12 segments.

A high-quality plastic cabinet or, preferably, a light-weight metal
(aluminum or magnesium) cabinet.

ALL internal components to be of TOP-QUALITY (formerly known as
MIL-spec).

Excellent sensitivity; a 3 or 4 step attenuator (or adjustable RF-gain
control) should be incorporated.

All other specifications to be of Drake R8B/AOR AR7030 caliber,
especially blocking, ultimate rejection, image rejection, and, most
important, dynamic range. Excellent sensitivity (a 3 or 4 step
attenuator would be of help).

A carrying case (nylon or leather) should be optionally offered; this
should be able to carry AC adapter, batteries, and any other options,
as well as fully protecting the radio.

Servicing is important. All service information should be made
available on line.

Guy Atkins has made some important suggestions; his suggestions should
be incorporated also.

A tall order? Yes. A "perfect" radio? Almost. There has never been
anything like it! What should this radio sell for? I would pay $1000 or
more for such a radio; could it be manufactured in China for $700?
Since this is to be your top-of-the-line radio, it should be designed
and made as perfectly as possible.

You make it, I'll buy it!

Joe


Sanjaya January 31st 05 09:30 PM


"Joe Analssandrini" wrote in message
ups.com...
[super radio specs snipped for convenience of replying]

You make it, I'll buy it!

Joe


Shoot, I feel like paying just to read your specs.
I want *that* radio!!!



RHF January 31st 05 10:02 PM

LW2,
..
Using the Sony ICF-2010 as a 'standard and
a Grundig Satellit 800 M as a Reference:
..
* DRM = Digital Radio Mondiale Built-in DRM Signal Processor.
..
* Radio Data System {RDS} Information Display
..
* AM SYNC with Selectable SSB
- Dual Side Band AM-Sync = 6 kHz
- Selected USB/LSB Single Side Band AM-Sync = 3.4 kHz
..
* Four AM Shortwave IF Band Widths
- DRM Extra-Wide 12 kHz
- AM Normal 6 kHz {AM Sync}
- DXing Narrow 3.4 kHz {AM-Sync Selectable SSB}
- SSB 2.4 kHz
..
* Two FM IF Band Widths
- Stereo/Local FM Normal = 210 kHz Wide
- Mono/DX FM Distance = 130 kHz Narrow
..
* RF Signal Input Control Three Position :
- BOOST = Built-in 10 dB Pre-Amplifier
for the Whip and Ferrite Bar Antennas.
- DX = Normal
- LOCAL = Shortwave Only 2-30 MHz
Band Pass Filter with -20dB Attenuation
for both the AM/MW Band and FM Band.
..
* Large Tuning Knob and Up & Down Tuning Buttons
with about 240 to 360 Memories.
..
* Dual Tuning Steps: {Fast and Fine}
- FM = 200 & 20 kHz
- AM = 10 & 1 kHz {AM-BCB = 9/10}
- SSB = 1 kHz & 100 Hz
..
Separate Antenna Inputs :
- FM "F" / PAL Connector
- AM/MW and Shortwave
- - HI-Z Dual Terminals {A&G}
- - LO-Z Jack SO-239
..
* Speakers Three (2:1) for FM Stereo
- One Rear Facing Bass {4.5" Sub-Woofer}
- Two = Left and Right Front {3" Stereo}
- Audio Output Selector Switch:
- - Mono Talk & News {Voice} Front Two
- - Mono Music all three speakers
- - FM Stereo - HiFi (2:1)
NOTE - Sort of like the Grundig Satellit 2400 Dual
Speakers put the Controls in the Center and the
Speakers on the the Left and Right Front Sides.
http://www.dr-boesch.ch/radio/grundig-sat2400.htm
..
* Built-in "D" Size Rechargable Batteries with an
'external' ACDC Power Adapter / Battery Charger.
Auto/Car DCDC Power Adapter / Battery Charger.
..
* The Right "Size" - About the Size of a Panasonic
RF-2600 'portable' AM/FM Shortwave Radio :
NOTE - Look at the Lay out of the Controls
and the Big Main Tuning Knob.
http://www.dxing.com/rx/rf799.htm
- 13.5" W
- 9.3" H
- 4.6" D
- Seven Pounds (7 Lbs.)
..
well thats my double-nickels worth ~ RHF

[email protected] February 1st 05 12:04 AM

the 1103 and 800 are from competing companies are you sure this is on
the level ?


[email protected] February 1st 05 12:46 AM

sure the chief engineer of SAT800 is from Tecsun ,one of the biggest
radio manufacturer in China, now he has left the job then running a
independent design house, the DE1103 if one of his design out for DEGEN
company.


[email protected] February 1st 05 12:52 AM

very interesting.


Joe Analssandrini February 1st 05 04:07 AM

Dear Sir,

I should also like to add one more item to my list posted previously:
all memories and the firmware should be non-volatile. Should battery
and AC power be disconnected, all information should be retained
permanently (until changed by the user).
All my best wishes for the success of this forthcoming receiver.

Joe


starman February 1st 05 07:18 AM

Sanjaya wrote:

"Joe Analssandrini" wrote in message
ups.com...
[super radio specs snipped for convenience of replying]

You make it, I'll buy it!

Joe


Shoot, I feel like paying just to read your specs.
I want *that* radio!!!


How about giving us the long promised Eton-E1 first.

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RHF February 1st 05 07:32 AM

LW2,
..
Some where i thought that I had read that
Tecsun GEM China (PRC) 'owned' or was
a major share holder in Degen.
? Now Is That True ?

[email protected] February 1st 05 12:46 PM

Some where i thought that I had read that
Tecsun GEM China (PRC) 'owned' or was
a major share holder in Degen.
? Now Is That True ?
..
i want to know ~ RHF

Actually Degen used to be a subsidiary of Tecsun several years ago, the
main business is radio sales, aftermarket service and Electrical
Design, no production line, some Tecsun's radio electrical designing
was come from Degen, but now Degen was completely separated and
independent, Degen has full capacity on receiver designing, mass
production and has own sales channel, Degen become a powerful
competitor of Tesun thus far , sure some Tecsun's shareholder has
shares of Degen, but it absolutely not affect the competitive
situation. once tecsun bring out a new model, then Degen has a similar
one to compete, for example: Tecsun 9700DX~Degen 1107, Tecsun
PL550~Degen 1103, Tecsun PL350~ Degen 1105, Tecsun PL200~ Degen 1102,
now Degen are building the flagship of DE110* series , we would like to
see what does the Tecsun bring to desk


[email protected] February 1st 05 03:18 PM

All the post is very informative for designer's, I had transfered all
to my forum bbs.leowood.net, sorry it's Chinese version. the designer
is also a community moderator in this Chinese radio fan's forum, he
has reviewed all the thread, I will keep all in the loop

some link here
http://bbs.leowood.net/web/leowood/f...=0&ClassID =0


Joe Analssandrini February 1st 05 03:37 PM

Dear Sir,

At the risk of posting too much, may I say that I understand that Degen
is one of China's leading radio manufacturers. As such, I hope that the
design of this radio is a "no-holds-barred" short wave receiver of
absolute top quality. Ergonomics especially should be user-friendly.
Menu-driven radios are perfectly acceptable IF the owner's manual is
comprehensive and complete. (I own an AOR AR7030 Plus, the best
performing radio I have ever owned, which I find very easy to use due
in part to its superb owner's manual. Though menu-driven, its
ergonomics are superb.) NO "FRILLS" (such as a "fake" analog dial)
should be on this radio; everything incorporated should be there for a
distinct purpose: the best possible reception of the signals desired.

I sincerely hope you will take into consideration my suggestion to
incorporate the various new terrestrial digital reception modes. It is
not necessary (nor, in my opinion, desirable) to incorporate XM or
Sirius satellite "pay" reception into this forthcoming radio. Satellite
radio can better be served by another separate receiver.

As I stated above, ABSOLUTE TOP QUALITY in DESIGN, COMPONENTS, and
CONSTRUCTION QUALITY are of PARAMOUNT importance.

Degen should market this radio in the USA under its own name. If the
radio is a great one, this will give impetus to awareness of the Degen
name in the United States.

I believe that, if any company can design and market a near-perfect
short wave radio, Degen is that company.

Best,

Joe


Stephen February 1st 05 03:45 PM


Thanks, Joe, for spec'ing out an excellent radio - I'd like one of those!

now for one additional nit...

"Joe Analssandrini" wrote in message
ups.com...
Clocks should be RADIO-CONTROLLED (and operated independently from
radio and powered via 2 AA or AAA batteries). Two times zones should be
available, one of which should be UTC. Local time should be adjustable
for daylight-savings time (via radio control) if required; UTC should
NOT be affected by DST change. One of the clocks (including seconds)
should ALWAYS be visible, radio on or off.


Regarding the clocks, I suggest making it possible for the user to disable
the automatic time-setting based on the radio time signal.

Every once in a long while, radio-controlled clocks can mis-read the signal.
I had a radio-controlled clock radio misread the DST information, and it was
exactly 1 hour off for the next day! If you're relying on the radio to wake
you up in the morning, this could be a problem (not likely, I'll admit, but
I've seen it happen). Alternatively, design the radio controlled clock
logic so that it makes a couple attempts to read the signal, and only update
the clock if the results are consistent.



Stephen



dxAce February 1st 05 03:48 PM



Joe Analssandrini wrote:

Dear Sir,

At the risk of posting too much, may I say that I understand that Degen
is one of China's leading radio manufacturers. As such, I hope that the
design of this radio is a "no-holds-barred" short wave receiver of
absolute top quality. Ergonomics especially should be user-friendly.
Menu-driven radios are perfectly acceptable IF the owner's manual is
comprehensive and complete. (I own an AOR AR7030 Plus, the best
performing radio I have ever owned, which I find very easy to use due
in part to its superb owner's manual. Though menu-driven, its
ergonomics are superb.) NO "FRILLS" (such as a "fake" analog dial)
should be on this radio; everything incorporated should be there for a
distinct purpose: the best possible reception of the signals desired.

I sincerely hope you will take into consideration my suggestion to
incorporate the various new terrestrial digital reception modes. It is
not necessary (nor, in my opinion, desirable) to incorporate XM or
Sirius satellite "pay" reception into this forthcoming radio. Satellite
radio can better be served by another separate receiver.

As I stated above, ABSOLUTE TOP QUALITY in DESIGN, COMPONENTS, and
CONSTRUCTION QUALITY are of PARAMOUNT importance.

Degen should market this radio in the USA under its own name. If the
radio is a great one, this will give impetus to awareness of the Degen
name in the United States.

I believe that, if any company can design and market a near-perfect
short wave radio, Degen is that company.


My question is: What relationship does DEGEN have to the PLA (People's
Liberation Army)?

dxAce
Michigan
USA



[email protected] February 1st 05 04:35 PM

More to the point, what does your question have to do with Degen radios
and shortwave listening. I am impressed that the designer of the DE1103
has given us some insight into that radio and more importantly has
asked the SWL community for suggestions on how to design a new radio.
That is a first for me.

I think we should focus this discussion on Degen and their shortwave
radios. And I'm sure you agree.


dxAce wrote:
Joe Analssandrini wrote:

Dear Sir,

At the risk of posting too much, may I say that I understand that

Degen
is one of China's leading radio manufacturers. As such, I hope that

the
design of this radio is a "no-holds-barred" short wave receiver of
absolute top quality. Ergonomics especially should be

user-friendly.
Menu-driven radios are perfectly acceptable IF the owner's manual

is
comprehensive and complete. (I own an AOR AR7030 Plus, the best
performing radio I have ever owned, which I find very easy to use

due
in part to its superb owner's manual. Though menu-driven, its
ergonomics are superb.) NO "FRILLS" (such as a "fake" analog dial)
should be on this radio; everything incorporated should be there

for a
distinct purpose: the best possible reception of the signals

desired.

I sincerely hope you will take into consideration my suggestion to
incorporate the various new terrestrial digital reception modes. It

is
not necessary (nor, in my opinion, desirable) to incorporate XM or
Sirius satellite "pay" reception into this forthcoming radio.

Satellite
radio can better be served by another separate receiver.

As I stated above, ABSOLUTE TOP QUALITY in DESIGN, COMPONENTS, and
CONSTRUCTION QUALITY are of PARAMOUNT importance.

Degen should market this radio in the USA under its own name. If

the
radio is a great one, this will give impetus to awareness of the

Degen
name in the United States.

I believe that, if any company can design and market a near-perfect
short wave radio, Degen is that company.


My question is: What relationship does DEGEN have to the PLA

(People's
Liberation Army)?

dxAce
Michigan
USA



dxAce February 1st 05 04:43 PM



wrote:

More to the point, what does your question have to do with Degen radios
and shortwave listening. [?]


It was a legitimate question regarding DEGEN radios. (And other Chinese sets as
well)

You may not like being reminded that by your purchase you help fund the PLA and
help promote slave labour?

Got a problem with that, 'tard boy?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

I am impressed that the designer of the DE1103
has given us some insight into that radio and more importantly has
asked the SWL community for suggestions on how to design a new radio.
That is a first for me.

I think we should focus this discussion on Degen and their shortwave
radios. And I'm sure you agree.

dxAce wrote:
Joe Analssandrini wrote:

Dear Sir,

At the risk of posting too much, may I say that I understand that

Degen
is one of China's leading radio manufacturers. As such, I hope that

the
design of this radio is a "no-holds-barred" short wave receiver of
absolute top quality. Ergonomics especially should be

user-friendly.
Menu-driven radios are perfectly acceptable IF the owner's manual

is
comprehensive and complete. (I own an AOR AR7030 Plus, the best
performing radio I have ever owned, which I find very easy to use

due
in part to its superb owner's manual. Though menu-driven, its
ergonomics are superb.) NO "FRILLS" (such as a "fake" analog dial)
should be on this radio; everything incorporated should be there

for a
distinct purpose: the best possible reception of the signals

desired.

I sincerely hope you will take into consideration my suggestion to
incorporate the various new terrestrial digital reception modes. It

is
not necessary (nor, in my opinion, desirable) to incorporate XM or
Sirius satellite "pay" reception into this forthcoming radio.

Satellite
radio can better be served by another separate receiver.

As I stated above, ABSOLUTE TOP QUALITY in DESIGN, COMPONENTS, and
CONSTRUCTION QUALITY are of PARAMOUNT importance.

Degen should market this radio in the USA under its own name. If

the
radio is a great one, this will give impetus to awareness of the

Degen
name in the United States.

I believe that, if any company can design and market a near-perfect
short wave radio, Degen is that company.


My question is: What relationship does DEGEN have to the PLA

(People's
Liberation Army)?

dxAce
Michigan
USA



dxAce February 1st 05 04:50 PM



wrote:

More to the point, what does your question have to do with Degen radios
and shortwave listening.


Go back and read the question I asked again, 'tard.

Read it 3 or 4 times if you have to.

Boggling, just how many damn 'tards there are in this hobby.

Sheesh...

dxAce
Michigan
USA



I am impressed that the designer of the DE1103
has given us some insight into that radio and more importantly has
asked the SWL community for suggestions on how to design a new radio.
That is a first for me.

I think we should focus this discussion on Degen and their shortwave
radios. And I'm sure you agree.

dxAce wrote:
Joe Analssandrini wrote:

Dear Sir,

At the risk of posting too much, may I say that I understand that

Degen
is one of China's leading radio manufacturers. As such, I hope that

the
design of this radio is a "no-holds-barred" short wave receiver of
absolute top quality. Ergonomics especially should be

user-friendly.
Menu-driven radios are perfectly acceptable IF the owner's manual

is
comprehensive and complete. (I own an AOR AR7030 Plus, the best
performing radio I have ever owned, which I find very easy to use

due
in part to its superb owner's manual. Though menu-driven, its
ergonomics are superb.) NO "FRILLS" (such as a "fake" analog dial)
should be on this radio; everything incorporated should be there

for a
distinct purpose: the best possible reception of the signals

desired.

I sincerely hope you will take into consideration my suggestion to
incorporate the various new terrestrial digital reception modes. It

is
not necessary (nor, in my opinion, desirable) to incorporate XM or
Sirius satellite "pay" reception into this forthcoming radio.

Satellite
radio can better be served by another separate receiver.

As I stated above, ABSOLUTE TOP QUALITY in DESIGN, COMPONENTS, and
CONSTRUCTION QUALITY are of PARAMOUNT importance.

Degen should market this radio in the USA under its own name. If

the
radio is a great one, this will give impetus to awareness of the

Degen
name in the United States.

I believe that, if any company can design and market a near-perfect
short wave radio, Degen is that company.


My question is: What relationship does DEGEN have to the PLA

(People's
Liberation Army)?

dxAce
Michigan
USA



[email protected] February 1st 05 05:32 PM

A couple of points. To make such a statement you apparently have
intimate knowlege of their financial condition and ownership. Perhaps
you would care to share it. What are the percentage of ownership of
the major stockholders and are dividends paid to all classes of
shareholder. Please give us details of any cross ownership between
this company and other commercial companies and development banks. What
are the wages at this company. Does the company transfer funds to its
owners by management fees in addition to dividends?

You indicate a concern about buying products from non north american
countries. Have you noticed that most of the clothing, appliances,
cars and indeed almost all consumer goods are not from the U.S. To not
have noticed you must have had your head firmly planted in the sand for
several decades now. To not buy from developing countries would be all
but impossible from an individual standpoint and pretty foolish for the
U.S. as a global economic force.


dxAce wrote:
wrote:

More to the point, what does your question have to do with Degen

radios
and shortwave listening. [?]


It was a legitimate question regarding DEGEN radios. (And other

Chinese sets as
well)

You may not like being reminded that by your purchase you help fund

the PLA and
help promote slave labour?

Got a problem with that, 'tard boy?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

I am impressed that the designer of the DE1103
has given us some insight into that radio and more importantly has
asked the SWL community for suggestions on how to design a new

radio.
That is a first for me.

I think we should focus this discussion on Degen and their

shortwave
radios. And I'm sure you agree.

dxAce wrote:
Joe Analssandrini wrote:

Dear Sir,

At the risk of posting too much, may I say that I understand

that
Degen
is one of China's leading radio manufacturers. As such, I hope

that
the
design of this radio is a "no-holds-barred" short wave receiver

of
absolute top quality. Ergonomics especially should be

user-friendly.
Menu-driven radios are perfectly acceptable IF the owner's

manual
is
comprehensive and complete. (I own an AOR AR7030 Plus, the best
performing radio I have ever owned, which I find very easy to

use
due
in part to its superb owner's manual. Though menu-driven, its
ergonomics are superb.) NO "FRILLS" (such as a "fake" analog

dial)
should be on this radio; everything incorporated should be

there
for a
distinct purpose: the best possible reception of the signals

desired.

I sincerely hope you will take into consideration my suggestion

to
incorporate the various new terrestrial digital reception

modes. It
is
not necessary (nor, in my opinion, desirable) to incorporate XM

or
Sirius satellite "pay" reception into this forthcoming radio.

Satellite
radio can better be served by another separate receiver.

As I stated above, ABSOLUTE TOP QUALITY in DESIGN, COMPONENTS,

and
CONSTRUCTION QUALITY are of PARAMOUNT importance.

Degen should market this radio in the USA under its own name.

If
the
radio is a great one, this will give impetus to awareness of

the
Degen
name in the United States.

I believe that, if any company can design and market a

near-perfect
short wave radio, Degen is that company.

My question is: What relationship does DEGEN have to the PLA

(People's
Liberation Army)?

dxAce
Michigan
USA



dxAce February 1st 05 05:37 PM



wrote:

A couple of points. To make such a statement you apparently have
intimate knowlege of their financial condition and ownership. Perhaps
you would care to share it. What are the percentage of ownership of
the major stockholders and are dividends paid to all classes of
shareholder. Please give us details of any cross ownership between
this company and other commercial companies and development banks. What
are the wages at this company. Does the company transfer funds to its
owners by management fees in addition to dividends?

You indicate a concern about buying products from non north american
countries. Have you noticed that most of the clothing, appliances,
cars and indeed almost all consumer goods are not from the U.S. To not
have noticed you must have had your head firmly planted in the sand for
several decades now. To not buy from developing countries would be all
but impossible from an individual standpoint and pretty foolish for the
U.S. as a global economic force.


You missed my question and point totally.

I'm not surprised!

dxAce
Michigan
USA



dxAce wrote:
wrote:

More to the point, what does your question have to do with Degen

radios
and shortwave listening. [?]


It was a legitimate question regarding DEGEN radios. (And other

Chinese sets as
well)

You may not like being reminded that by your purchase you help fund

the PLA and
help promote slave labour?

Got a problem with that, 'tard boy?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

I am impressed that the designer of the DE1103
has given us some insight into that radio and more importantly has
asked the SWL community for suggestions on how to design a new

radio.
That is a first for me.

I think we should focus this discussion on Degen and their

shortwave
radios. And I'm sure you agree.

dxAce wrote:
Joe Analssandrini wrote:

Dear Sir,

At the risk of posting too much, may I say that I understand

that
Degen
is one of China's leading radio manufacturers. As such, I hope

that
the
design of this radio is a "no-holds-barred" short wave receiver

of
absolute top quality. Ergonomics especially should be
user-friendly.
Menu-driven radios are perfectly acceptable IF the owner's

manual
is
comprehensive and complete. (I own an AOR AR7030 Plus, the best
performing radio I have ever owned, which I find very easy to

use
due
in part to its superb owner's manual. Though menu-driven, its
ergonomics are superb.) NO "FRILLS" (such as a "fake" analog

dial)
should be on this radio; everything incorporated should be

there
for a
distinct purpose: the best possible reception of the signals
desired.

I sincerely hope you will take into consideration my suggestion

to
incorporate the various new terrestrial digital reception

modes. It
is
not necessary (nor, in my opinion, desirable) to incorporate XM

or
Sirius satellite "pay" reception into this forthcoming radio.
Satellite
radio can better be served by another separate receiver.

As I stated above, ABSOLUTE TOP QUALITY in DESIGN, COMPONENTS,

and
CONSTRUCTION QUALITY are of PARAMOUNT importance.

Degen should market this radio in the USA under its own name.

If
the
radio is a great one, this will give impetus to awareness of

the
Degen
name in the United States.

I believe that, if any company can design and market a

near-perfect
short wave radio, Degen is that company.

My question is: What relationship does DEGEN have to the PLA
(People's
Liberation Army)?

dxAce
Michigan
USA



LeoBlues February 3rd 05 08:44 AM

I'd like (besides the other specifications) some other things (really cool
for european dxers):

FM 64-76 extension (for OIRT dx)
RDS (really nice to have FM listening) with PI CODE reception
3 IF FM filters frontend (like Satellit 500 or 700 ... cool for FM dxers -)
and two kind of FM selectivity (like 280 and 80 khz Murata filters)

it could be really cool mp3 recording and two antenna connector one for FM
Antenna and SW and another one for MW antenna to disable internal ferrite.
internal ferrite could be switch off besides like in Sangean ATS 909 with a
stereo minijack)

other suggestions made from other dxers are cool too.

Leonardo
QTH Matelica (MC) - Italy






Joe Analssandrini February 5th 05 03:28 PM

Re-reading my first post I noticed two silly errors I made: the slew
buttons on FM should offer 100 kHz tuning (not MHz)- and possibly 50
kHz tuning also - and the internal ferrite antenna for MW and LW should
be 260 mm minimum length (not 130). An auxiliary external removeable
MW/LW antenna, which could plug into a receptical on the top of the
radio, and be rotated would be extremely nice; only the antenna would
have to be rotated for best MW/LW reception, not the whole radio.

By the way, really "tight" (multiple) filters for FM reception would be
a plus.

One other suggestion: make the radio BIG - more on the order of the
Grundig Satellit 800. Smaller radios involve too much compromise in my
opinion. There are certainly enough smaller compromised radios on the
market already but very few "great" ones. (The Satellit 800 is close,
but the improvements suggested here on this post would result, I
believe, in one of the all-time great radios.)

Sorry about the errors. Senility ...

Best,

Joe


Stephan Grossklass February 5th 05 10:25 PM

Joe Analssandrini schrieb:

One other suggestion: make the radio BIG - more on the order of the
Grundig Satellit 800.


Now that would be fairly huge. Sure sound could be very good, but
portability really suffers. I'd even have trouble fitting such a beast
on my desk or nightstand. It would, BTW, be advisable to use the largest
speaker that fits the case (unlike the '800, which only uses a 10 cm
speaker, a joke given the size of the thing).

Stephan
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Stephan Grossklass February 6th 05 12:03 AM

Joe Analssandrini schrieb:

Synchronous-selectable sideband reception is a MUST.


I forgot this in my original post. Yup, a low-distortion AM detector of
some kind is virtually a must. Notoriously distorted diode detection
just doesn't cut it for serious listening. (Besides, the Sat 700 already
had synch detection.)

Should be designed
at least as well as that on the Grundig Satellit 800.


Quite tricky, given the folks at DEGEN have no experience building synch
detectors so far.

Full passband
tuning would be even better.


Sure, but I've never seen that in a portable.

Lock must be held as well as on AR7030
model


That would be great. It virtually never unlocks (and even if it does,
you don't notice much since the receiver is still using the very
low-distortion product detector). BTW, if synch audio quality were
anything close to that on the AR7030 this would be great. I was amazed
by how good AM can sound that way. (It's just that the AR7030 doesn't
match my usage pattern very well and usually resides in its box. Seems
silly, but maybe I'll be able to put up a decent antenna one day, and
then I'd be sorry to have sold the thing. It's unlikely to lose much in
value anyway.)

and must automatically turn off when tuning and then re-lock when
station is selected.


That would be the standard way of implementing it, I think.

A good notch filter (with at least 50 dB depth) with range of 0.1 - 5
kHz.


That sure would be nice, but did any other portable ever have one?

At least 3 IF filters (bandwidths) (preferably 4) of 2.2 kHz, 4 kHz, 6
kHz (and possibly 1 kHz for data/CW);


I don't know whether that's realistic in a portable. Still, a 2.2/4/6
kHz combo would work well.

operation of these filters should
be cascaded so that inexpensive ceramic filters will give much better
performance than usual.


However, you can't cascade indefinitely. Passband ripple will mess up
things at some point. The AR7030, BTW, uses a 4-element 12 kHz tail
filter along with some 6-element ceramics and a high-quality SSB filter
(Murata CFJ). If a good SSB filter is not within the budget, cascading
the 6 and 4 kHz filters might also work (which would give a caascade of
the 12, 6 and 4 kHz filters overall). The 12 kHz might also be useful
for DRM or really indisturbed AM reception. BTW, with good filtering
present, low oscillator phase noise is of high importance. That's one of
the reasons why the AR7030 achieves such good selectivity.

All shape factors should be less than 1:2.


Actually that's true even of the 6-element Muratas like the one used in
the 7600GR.

Dial illumination via LEDs, perhaps color-switchable (Red, Blue,
Green).


Now that would be nifty.

Dial light scheme similar to Grundig Satellit 800. (Always on or always
off with AC power, on for 15 seconds with any button push when using
battery power, or always off with batteries, as desired by user.)


This concept does not seem so uncommon, our Sony ICF-M60SRDS also uses
it.

Line outputs for external speaker(s) and stereo system. Excellent sound
quality is a must.


Shouldn't be that much of a problem, decent-quality opamps like 5532s
aren't expensive these days, and decent-quality electrolytics aren't
that much of a problem either.

Independent tone controls (Treble and Bass) should
be incorporated. Internal mono speaker of high quality is preferable to
mediocre stereo speakers.


ACK.

At least two external antenna inputs for AM/SW (high and low impedence)
as well as an FM antenna input.


That seems reasonable. Now the question is, what norm would the FM ant
input conform to?

IBOC reception (AM & FM) for the US. Canadian DAB. (Possibly European
DAB.) Self-contained DRM (or a 12 kHz IF output to connect to a
DRM-equipped computer).


I'd consider DRM as a world-wide standard to be more important than DAB.

Clocks should be RADIO-CONTROLLED


Good idea, but by which time signal station? Making this variable
requires considerably more efforts. (Typically a narrow-band LC tuned
front-end filter is used, which has to be laid out or at least adjusted
differently for the various frequencies, e.g. MSF 60 kHz for UK folks,
DCF77 77.5 kHz etc.)

(and operated independently from
radio and powered via 2 AA or AAA batteries). Two times zones should be
available, one of which should be UTC. Local time should be adjustable
for daylight-savings time (via radio control) if required; UTC should
NOT be affected by DST change. One of the clocks (including seconds)
should ALWAYS be visible, radio on or off.


Very reasonable suggestions.

No LEDs (except for dial illumination and possibly button
illumination). Properly calibrated digital bar graph S-meter of at
least 12 segments.


I guess most people would already be happy with a *useful* meter that
doesn't read full strength 95% of the time, yet also catches fairly weak
signals and has a pretty wide range.

A high-quality plastic cabinet or, preferably, a light-weight metal
(aluminum or magnesium) cabinet.


I don't know whether a metal case would do the sound aspect any good.
Plastic is more realistic anyway.

ALL internal components to be of TOP-QUALITY (formerly known as
MIL-spec).


Isn't that asking a bit too much?

Excellent sensitivity; a 3 or 4 step attenuator (or adjustable RF-gain
control) should be incorporated.


A 2-step attenuator would most likely also do. RF gain was more
necessary in the old days to get SSB demodulation with fairly lousy
detectors right. A switchable AGP time constant/behavior, however, would
be a nice touch.

All other specifications to be of Drake R8B/AOR AR7030 caliber,
especially blocking, ultimate rejection, image rejection, and, most
important, dynamic range.


I guess the receiver will be priced at around ~500USD/EUR, so not all of
this will be possible.

Excellent sensitivity (a 3 or 4 step
attenuator would be of help).


Depending on how sensitive the thing becomes, either a pre-amp for the
whip (as done in the Sat 700) or a pre-attenuated ext ant input (we
don't want anything to blow on large antennas) seems like the more
likely solution.

A carrying case (nylon or leather) should be optionally offered; this
should be able to carry AC adapter, batteries, and any other options,
as well as fully protecting the radio.


Seems like a good idea, though this kind of rig will never be as
portable as a DE105. (BTW, I sure would like to get my hands on a
DE1105. The '105 isn't bad for what it is, but doesn't perform as well
as I'd like. And since the '1105 isn't a lot bigger, this seems like the
perfect model to upgrade to.)

Servicing is important. All service information should be made
available on line.


That would be great indeed. At the very least there should be some way
of obtaining service docs at all.

Stephan
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starman February 6th 05 06:51 AM

Stephan Grossklass wrote:


Quite tricky, given the folks at DEGEN have no experience building synch
detectors so far.


I think we've reached the point where a good sync' detector is not
exactly rocket science anymore. However the problem is designing one
that doesn't infringe on someone elses design. That could be a big
problem.

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dev February 7th 05 04:38 AM

wrote:
The designer(also the main engineer of DE1103 & Grundig SAT800) now

ask
advise of the receiver function from BCLer, the DE1108 will be the
high-end receiver of DE 110X series, it comes with a large dot matrix
LCD display(128*64) two way speaker system, MP3 recorder, AM sync
detector, SSB, dual conversion, the reference basis is SAT700, it
should has better performance than sony 2001D, 7600G, SW77 even

SAT700,
the outline dimensions will be large than SAT700,pls post your

thougts
here, I will take the message to the design, thank you!




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