David Eduardo wrote:
"David" wrote...
Perfect example of how easily a moron can be misled by a flashy
headline. The rating went from 2.4 to 2.2.

And that is well within the margin of error for a survey at that share
level.

But had it gone from 2.2 to 2.4, you'd be touting it as a 400% increase.

--

In Memoriam: Julius the cat April 1, 1993 - February 3, 2005

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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"Stinger" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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"Stinger" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message

Learn how ratings work before commenting again.

LOL!

Learn to do simple arithmetic before trying (in vain) refute
overwhelming numbers.

I have been doing Arbitron analysis for the last 35 years, and make a
living with the "simple math" of statistics.

Your response shows you know nothing about how radio ratings work.

And your response shows you don't know the difference between 15 and 2.2.

I know that Air America in NY underperforms because the 5 mv/m signal
barely covers 40% of the market's population. If one retabulates the
nubmers for the city-grade coverage area, WLIB actually is very close to
WABC in key sales demos. In some markets, like Portland, it beats the
conservative talker. In San Diego, AA is on a vastly inferior signal, yet
comes very close to KOGO in 25-54. In most other markets, the format is
way too new to make any conclusion at all.

Must all liberals resort to condescending tones to pretend that they know
a deeper truth than the facts right in front of their noses?

I am not a liberal. In fact, in the last election I voted for the Partido
Nuevo Progresista, which is conservative. Being conservative does not, as
a rule, require divorcing oneself from reality.

For what it's worth, I put myself through college working at radio
stations, and I know my way through a book.

That is not apparent. College interns generally don't even see books... or
the electronic version in use for the last decade.
You presume too much again. I wasn't an intern -- I was on-air talent (I
still do commercials in my spare time). It was a great way to pay the bills
while I went to graduate school.

And you can bitch about the signal all you want, but it doesn't change the
fact that Air America's numbers are not growing, and appear to have actually
fallen in their flagship market. Sure, if they broadcast in Berkely, they
might pick up a couple of listeners, but the fact is that they have very
little chance of surviving as a commercially viable network outside of a
very limited number of markets.

-- Stinger

Bob Haberkost wrote:

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
t...

| "dxAce" wrote in message
| ...

| And Air America catching up with Rush... Ain't gonna happen.

| In some markets, where AA has competitive signals, it is happening. The
| margin, especially in 25-54, is close in some places, far off in others.
| Just as Rush has 5 or 6 shares in some places, 2 to 3 shares in others.

| Failed ideas, failed philosophy, failed candidates (many of whom should
be
| in jail, (Teddy Kennedy for one, John Kerry for another))

| But it is entertaining radio. Talk radio is about entertainment, not
| content.

Only those who question nothing, fact-check less and want their world the way
it was in 1920 would find this sort of radio entertaining, David. Dare I
call them morons?

I never dare, I'll just come right out and call you a 'tard boy. How's that?

Can I call you a pussy too?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

DE,

On 09 Feb 2005 00:44:25 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

On Tue 08 Feb 2005 07:22:04p, "Bob Haberkost"
wrote in message
news:MIcOd.25934$W16.4561@trndny07:

{snippage}

David is not a liberal, if you've been paying attention, twit. Or is it
(like most conservative thought processes work) that David must be a
liberal because he disagrees with you?


Liberal? Conservative? Misanthrope? Martian? Who cares? It's been
demonstrated time and again that Rickets is wholly incapable of sustaining a
point sans benefit of a "Cut & Paste" job of someone else's work. Ergo, he
hasn't been arbitrarily referred to as "Tard" -- He's *Earned* It!
Or, perhaps he should be awarded your chosen title of affection, "twit"?

-=jd=-
I suspect authority and am old enough to know that the people in power
tend to lie more than the loyal opposition. That being said, these
people in Washington who claim to be conservative are far from it. I
grew up conservative and hold conservative core beliefs, but I will
align with progressives/liberals right now because they are more
conservative than the socialist neocon corporatists running the
government now.

OK, call me a name...

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:35:40 -0600, "Stinger"
Believe me, Clear Channel, Infinity, or any
number of other groups would be all over Air America if they thought people
were actually going to listen -- they're not about ideology, they're about
audience numbers and demographics. They make more money when more of the
right people listen to their stations (or did they forget to print that in
An American Radio Trilogy Vol. 1?) Well, there's always room for volume 2,
isn't there?

-- Stinger
1 out of every 4 Clear Channel talk stations will be ''Progressive
Talk'' by the end of the year. It is turning out to be an instant
winner every where they do it. They are totally pleased.

This points out that Americans are hungry for truly balanced
discussion.

NPR is from the middle 1970s. I think you may have them confused with
Pacifica.

On 8 Feb 2005 12:35:22 -0800, "RHF"
wrote:

* An Audience that has been buying the same Brand of
Liberal News and Information {TALK} Radio for over 50 Years.

* A Listener Base that is 'conditioned' to PAY (Donate)
for their Brand of Liberal Radio.

* Plus all those Liberal "Down For The Cause" FREELOADERS: Who Listen
and NEVER send in a Dime to Support what they
Claim that they 'believe-in'.
.
Lets Give It Up For NPR -Air America's Public Enemy # 1
.
something to think about ~ RHF
.
.

David wrote:

On 09 Feb 2005 00:44:25 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

On Tue 08 Feb 2005 07:22:04p, "Bob Haberkost"
wrote in message
news:MIcOd.25934$W16.4561@trndny07:

{snippage}

David is not a liberal, if you've been paying attention, twit. Or is it
(like most conservative thought processes work) that David must be a
liberal because he disagrees with you?


Liberal? Conservative? Misanthrope? Martian? Who cares? It's been
demonstrated time and again that Rickets is wholly incapable of sustaining a
point sans benefit of a "Cut & Paste" job of someone else's work. Ergo, he
hasn't been arbitrarily referred to as "Tard" -- He's *Earned* It!
Or, perhaps he should be awarded your chosen title of affection, "twit"?

-=jd=-
I suspect authority and am old enough to know that the people in power
tend to lie more than the loyal opposition. That being said, these
people in Washington who claim to be conservative are far from it. I
grew up conservative and hold conservative core beliefs, but I will
align with progressives/liberals right now because they are more
conservative than the socialist neocon corporatists running the
government now.

OK, call me a name...

Well, no matter what, you're still a 'tard boy. That hasn't changed.

Now go take those meds, pick up that Sirius radio and go tote it you frickin
'tard.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

In article ,
Stinger wrote:

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
t...

"Stinger" wrote in message
...

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
t...

"Stinger" wrote in message
...

"David Eduardo" wrote in message

Learn how ratings work before commenting again.

LOL!

Learn to do simple arithmetic before trying (in vain) refute
overwhelming numbers.

I have been doing Arbitron analysis for the last 35 years, and make a
living with the "simple math" of statistics.

Your response shows you know nothing about how radio ratings work.

And your response shows you don't know the difference between 15 and 2.2.

I know that Air America in NY underperforms because the 5 mv/m signal
barely covers 40% of the market's population. If one retabulates the
nubmers for the city-grade coverage area, WLIB actually is very close to
WABC in key sales demos. In some markets, like Portland, it beats the
conservative talker. In San Diego, AA is on a vastly inferior signal, yet
comes very close to KOGO in 25-54. In most other markets, the format is
way too new to make any conclusion at all.

Must all liberals resort to condescending tones to pretend that they know
a deeper truth than the facts right in front of their noses?

I am not a liberal. In fact, in the last election I voted for the Partido
Nuevo Progresista, which is conservative. Being conservative does not, as
a rule, require divorcing oneself from reality.

For what it's worth, I put myself through college working at radio
stations, and I know my way through a book.

That is not apparent. College interns generally don't even see books... or
the electronic version in use for the last decade.
You presume too much again. I wasn't an intern -- I was on-air talent (I
still do commercials in my spare time). It was a great way to pay the bills
while I went to graduate school.

And you can bitch about the signal all you want, but it doesn't change the
fact that Air America's numbers are not growing, and appear to have actually
fallen in their flagship market. Sure, if they broadcast in Berkely, they
might pick up a couple of listeners, but the fact is that they have very
little chance of surviving as a commercially viable network outside of a
very limited number of markets.

-- Stinger



Is 48, including #1 and #2 markets, plus Serius and XM and the largest
realaudio serivice a "very limited number of markets" ?

They seem to be adding a station a month, or better.

BTW; What's with the AM-only ? Is it a strategy ?
--

a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m

Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
t...

But it is entertaining radio. Talk radio is about entertainment, not
content.

How can you have entertainment without content? Just like a web site.

Buy ammo! It'll be over fairly quickly, but always be prepared.

Huh?

Can never have too much ammo on hand.

MnMikew wrote:

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
t...

But it is entertaining radio. Talk radio is about entertainment, not
content.

How can you have entertainment without content? Just like a web site.

Buy ammo! It'll be over fairly quickly, but always be prepared.

Huh?

Can never have too much ammo on hand.

Indeed. Far better to have too much rather than too little. It used to be that
way with arrows, (and in some instances that may still hold true).

Now where did I stash those RPG's?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"MnMikew" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
t...

But it is entertaining radio. Talk radio is about entertainment, not
content.

How can you have entertainment without content? Just like a web site.

Content is secondary to the entertainment value of the personalities. Sure,
they talk about stuff, but the same stuff talked about by uninteresting
fools gets no ratings. So entertainment is 100% of the formula to win
listeners.

"David" wrote in message
...
NPR is from the middle 1970s. I think you may have them confused with
Pacifica.

NPR is still alive and well, and even has international outlets now,
including carriage on WorldSpace DBS satellite.

Tom Betz wrote:
Bush is daily solidifying his record as the Worst President Ever,

No, you're just perceiving it that way because of your irrational hatred
of everything right of Josef Stalin.

--

In Memoriam: Julius the cat April 1, 1993 - February 3, 2005

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Stinger wrote:

See, Edidldo, there wasn't enough condescention in your previous post.
Betz
wants to show you how to go from being a B-list liberal goofball to full
A
liberal twit status!
--- Stinger

LOL

That was absolutely excellent.


Except for the fact that I am somewhere to the right of Attila the Hun, you
may be on to something. Not.

"Stinger" wrote in message
...

Has no basis in "reality."

What does is the fact that WLIB is doing very well vs. WABC in the areas
where the coverage is usable.

And this is what you are refusing to see.

"john" wrote in message
oups.com...

MnMikew wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message
...

Indeed. Far better to have too much rather than too little. It used
to be
that
way with arrows, (and in some instances that may still hold true).

Have a healthy supply of those to, in case ammo runs out.

Now where did I stash those RPG's?

I keep mine in the freezer next to the claymores.

I keep mine under funk and wagnells porchG

Wouldn't that be the Funk and Wagnalls porch? G

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
t...

"Stinger" wrote in message
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Has no basis in "reality."

What does is the fact that WLIB is doing very well vs. WABC in the areas
where the coverage is usable.

And this is what you are refusing to see.


No, I just say it's basically irrelevant. It's like saying some hobbyist
with a low-power FM transmitter has a good following in a 4-block area of
Manhattan, so he's a threat to WABC. He's a flea on an elephant.

And to wrestle this thing back to what we were talking about earlier, I
pointed out that their ratings were stagnant (with some evidence of an
actual fall in listenership). Then you came up with a bunch of irrelevant
gobbledygook trying in vain to explain why that was a good thing. It's like
trying to say the Philadelphia Eagles won the Super Bowl because they played
a good game.

Deal with it.

-- Stinger

"Stinger" wrote in message
...

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
t...

"Stinger" wrote in message
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Has no basis in "reality."

What does is the fact that WLIB is doing very well vs. WABC in the areas
where the coverage is usable.

And this is what you are refusing to see.


No, I just say it's basically irrelevant. It's like saying some hobbyist
with a low-power FM transmitter has a good following in a 4-block area of
Manhattan, so he's a threat to WABC. He's a flea on an elephant.

You are one dense person. It is very common to compare lesser and greater
signals based on usable coverage. This is why Arbitron issues "embedded
market" reports so that smaller signal stations in distinct parts of a
market can sell effectively in smaller geographies against the larger signal
stations. In fact, no US market has more embeded markets inside it than the
NY MSA.

And to wrestle this thing back to what we were talking about earlier, I
pointed out that their ratings were stagnant (with some evidence of an
actual fall in listenership).

There is no statistical evidence of a fall in listenership. There is
evidence that the listenrship is stable, and not in a growth pattern. when
compared to WABC in 25-54, where the money is, the comparison is good and
very salable.

Then you came up with a bunch of irrelevant gobbledygook trying in vain
to explain why that was a good thing.

I came up with the usable signal comparison which is a standard practice in
the industry in evaluating signals.

It's like trying to say the Philadelphia Eagles won the Super Bowl
because they played a good game.

Unlike sports, where there is only one winner, in radio there are many
winners. Stations way down in the 1-share range make excellent money. In
fact, the third highest billing station in the market is 18th in ratings
(nearly tied with WLIB) proving that rank alone has nothing to do with
making money.

So, your sports comparison is invalid.

"David" wrote in message
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| NPR is from the middle 1970s. I think you may have them confused with
| Pacifica.

Why would you assume that RHF has any need to adhere to the truth? If it's
in his gunsight, it's fair game, and no matter that the charges aren't true,
he'll still shoot.
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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| "dxAce" wrote in message
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| Stinger wrote:

| [...]
| LOL

| That was absolutely excellent.

| Except for the fact that I am somewhere to the right of Attila the Hun, you
| may be on to something. Not.

I'm getting the sense that these two make Bevis and Butthead look attractive,
smart and successful. To say nothing about how goofy the repeated "LOLs"
look...just a couple of twittering asses, so it seems.
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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| "Stinger" wrote in message
| ...

| Unlike sports, where there is only one winner, in radio there are many
| winners. Stations way down in the 1-share range make excellent money. In
| fact, the third highest billing station in the market is 18th in ratings
| (nearly tied with WLIB) proving that rank alone has nothing to do with
| making money.

| So, your sports comparison is invalid.

David - logic doesn't work with this crew (rather my complaint about the new
Right, anyway). The degree of density is overpowering. It might be time to
go silent, and let them argue with themselves (provided they don't think that
this would be too gay).
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|

DE,

"Bob Haberkost" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
t...

| "Stinger" wrote in message
| ...

| Unlike sports, where there is only one winner, in radio there are many
| winners. Stations way down in the 1-share range make excellent money. In
| fact, the third highest billing station in the market is 18th in ratings
| (nearly tied with WLIB) proving that rank alone has nothing to do with
| making money.

| So, your sports comparison is invalid.

David - logic doesn't work with this crew (rather my complaint about the
new
Right, anyway). The degree of density is overpowering. It might be time
to
go silent, and let them argue with themselves (provided they don't think
that
this would be too gay).

Bob... arguing with you is fun, entertaining and educational. It is like
debate in college, forcing you to research even if you do not agree with the
position you must defend. Debating with these "experts" is like trying to
sustain an intelligent conversation on the drive-through intercom at
McDonalds.

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
t...

| "Bob Haberkost" wrote in message
| news:4fxOd.30708$QS5.10737@trndny06...

| David - logic doesn't work with this crew (rather my complaint about the
| new Right, anyway). The degree of density is overpowering. It might
| be time to go silent, and let them argue with themselves (provided
| they don't think that this would be too gay).

| Bob... arguing with you is fun, entertaining and educational. It is like
| debate in college, forcing you to research even if you do not agree with
the
| position you must defend. Debating with these "experts" is like trying to
| sustain an intelligent conversation on the drive-through intercom at
| McDonalds.

Yes, indeed, David...I don't know why you try, although you deserve kudos for
a patience which rivals Job in doing so. But thank you for the compliments,
and most assuredly, even though we often disagree, I have often come away
with a better understanding of the issues at hand after engaging you (or
anyone else of sufficient intellect and integrity). What I fear for the U-S
is that this level of discussion has all but disappeared, whether it's in an
open forum such as this, or in the halls of government.
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in
message

gy.com.. .
In article , "David
Eduardo" wrote:

Bob... arguing with you is fun, entertaining and educational. It
is like debate in college, forcing you to research even if you do
not agree with the position you must defend. Debating with these
"experts" is like trying to sustain an intelligent conversation on
the drive-through intercom at McDonalds.

I'm not interested in arguing on Usenet, which is why Bob Haberkost
is in the kill file so you stepped in the dog poop twice in one
paragraph by referring to a Troll as someone to read and expressed
condescension after the fact of engaging in an argument.

It is hard not to talk down to someone who does not look at facts
before continuing a discussion. This, in simplified form, is what
stinger did. He wanted to make a point about the lack of success of
Air America based on a limited understanding of ratings for a
crippled-signal station in only one of the Air America markets.

Since Air America is a national network/syndictor, it must be
evaluated based on multiple markets. And to do this, we have to wait
because in most of the larger rated markets they are in, AA has not
been on long enough time to get traction... or to fail.

This isn't a place to argue, it's a place to post news.

Au contraire. Usenet is intended for discussion, opinion and debate.

No it not. It's a "news group" not an opinion forum. Your mistake is
continuing to argue with Stinger. You made your point many posts before
this and you should just leave it at that. You made your point and so
did stinger but continuing on just makes it a flame thread defeating any
purpose of informing other people reading the news group.

If you can't or don't want to do that then get lost.

I don't post news here. I have a PR firm that posts my news. That is
a function of the business of radio. Look for news on rronline.com or
allacces or subscribe to Inside Radio, RBR, M Street Journal, or one
of the many industry newletters and publications.

Well then you better start. That's real nice that you have resources
that other people like me don't have but that is besides the point that
this is a "news group."

Keep this crap up and you are in the kill file with Bob.

That is your choice. But by "threatening" it, you are saying you do
not want to hear oposing oints of view and evaluate them on thier
merits or by verification.

Bull****. I read plenty of people who's point of view I don't agree
with.

I used to have more respect for you before reading this thread.


I have all the respect I need inside the "real world" of radio. Like
most people, I am here to hear other peoples ideas... and engage in
debate where appropriate.

I have respect for people that post on topic newsworthy knowledge and
are willing to express it here. If you don't want to post that kind of
material then I don't have time for you period.

Now I've made my point and I'm not going to argue about it so this is
it. Conform to the topic of the news group and post something
"newsworthy" or join Bob in the kill file. It's your choice.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Bob Haberkost wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

| You really need to focus more on what happens in CanaDuh, 'tard boy.

You're funny! Endlessly entertaining! Every country should have somebody
like you. The only problem is that the U-S is overrun with them....clueless,
rude and (worst of all) proud of it.

Damn straight, 'tard boy... we down here put CanaDuh to shame each and every
day... yep, we be clueless, but you, for all intents and purposes live in a third
world country!

Wanna play 'tard boy? You won't win. The odds are against you.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

| Bob Haberkost wrote:

| "dxAce" wrote in message
| ...

| | You really need to focus more on what happens in CanaDuh, 'tard boy.

| You're funny! Endlessly entertaining! Every country should have
somebody
| like you. The only problem is that the U-S is overrun with
them....clueless,
| rude and (worst of all) proud of it.

| Damn straight, 'tard boy... we down here put CanaDuh to shame each and
every
| day... yep, we be clueless, but you, for all intents and purposes live in a
third
| world country!

| Wanna play 'tard boy? You won't win. The odds are against you.

It's not about winning. But you wouldn't know. The best part is that you
don't know that you lost a long, long time ago, and it gets worse for you
every time you can't resist taunting me again.

Far be it for me to let you off the hook. You wouldn't believe me if I told
you anyway, since you're convinced I'm a no-good Commie Canuck. If you look
real careful, you might see why I'm laughing, the next time you reply. But
probably not. And so, you lose again.
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Bob Haberkost wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

| Bob Haberkost wrote:

| "dxAce" wrote in message
| ...

| | You really need to focus more on what happens in CanaDuh, 'tard boy.

| You're funny! Endlessly entertaining! Every country should have
somebody
| like you. The only problem is that the U-S is overrun with
them....clueless,
| rude and (worst of all) proud of it.

| Damn straight, 'tard boy... we down here put CanaDuh to shame each and
every
| day... yep, we be clueless, but you, for all intents and purposes live in a
third
| world country!

| Wanna play 'tard boy? You won't win. The odds are against you.

It's not about winning. But you wouldn't know. The best part is that you
don't know that you lost a long, long time ago, and it gets worse for you
every time you can't resist taunting me again.

Far be it for me to let you off the hook. You wouldn't believe me if I told
you anyway, since you're convinced I'm a no-good Commie Canuck. If you look
real careful, you might see why I'm laughing, the next time you reply. But
probably not. And so, you lose again.

I'm LMAO at the piece of **** 'tard from CanaDuh. When you get your unemployment
figures up, and your taxes lower, you come talk to us down here.

Until then, you are just another suckling pig on the teat of the USA.

Try better next time, 'tard boy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Air America was shut down in its LA and Chicago markets yesterday.

Arthur Liu, owner of Multicultural Radio Broadcasting, which owns Air
America affiliates WNTD-950 AM in Chicago and KBLA-1580 AM in Los Angeles,

said Air America bounced a check and owes him more than $1
million.

Air America and Multicultural had entered into a time brokerage agreement
in which the network was essentially renting Multicultural's airtime, Liu
said.
"They bounced a check today," Liu said. "It's a default. They have paid
only a very small portion of what they owe us." Liu declined to say how
much Multicultural is owed, but did say he is holding $1 million in checks

that Air America has asked the company not to cash. One the basic rules of

capitalism: no rubber checks. I found that out early. And why aren’t all
those rich leftists helping out their ideological brethren?
"They've been saying, 'We're going to get you the money' for the past two
months," Liu said, referring to a security deposit that he said Air
America was supposed to have prepaid in advance of its launch. "They're
not honoring our agreement. "Sounds like my old tenants.

Oh and don’t you just love this title?

Liberal radio stations silenced…as if Multicultural Radio Broadcasting
were violating Air America’s rights by expecting to get paid.

Unlike the free enterprise model for broadcasting, stations PAY the
program supplier for programs, NEVER does a station GET PAID for carrying
a program. The arrangement with Air America and its stations was of
questionable legality in the first place.

www.worldnetdaily.com



MarkC wrote:

If any of you listened to this show do you know the title of the first
song that Martha played?
Thanks, Mark



David wrote:

Franken's Air America bounces back with Bush win
Wed Feb 2, 2005 08:03 PM ET
By Steve Gorman
LOS ANGELES, Feb 2 (Reuters) - Comedian and political provocateur Al
Franken says the re-election of U.S. President George W. Bush was bad
for the country but good for his fledgling liberal radio network, Air
America, as it strives to rebound from a rocky start.

Much as conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh grew in popularity as he
railed for eight years against Democrat Bill Clinton, Franken sees
Bush as the perfect foil in his mission to amplify the voice of the
political left on daytime talk radio.
In an interview with Reuters ahead of this week's return of Air
America to Los Angeles, the second largest U.S. city, Franken said he
was as disappointed as any lefty by Bush's victory over Democratic
challenger John Kerry.

But in his view, Kerry's loss was Air America's gain.

"Obviously, it's more fun to go after Bush's terrible ideas and
programs than to defend Kerry's not-quite-exactly-what-we -want
plans," said Franken, 53, whose New York-based show and the rest of
Air America's lineup will begin airing on KTLK-AM in Los Angeles on
Thursday, the day after Bush's State of the Union address.

By the end of the month, the network that began in just six cities on
March 31, 2004, then nearly collapsed weeks later amid financial woes,
will have spread to 50 stations nationwide, including outlets in 15 of
the top 20 markets, among them New York, Washington, D.C., Miami,
Boston, Atlanta and Philadelphia.

It will even venture into Bush's home state of Texas with a launch on
a Corpus Christi station later this month.

The network's programming, which includes shows hosted by actress
Janeane Garofalo and commentator Randi Rhodes, also airs on satellite
radio and the Internet on (http://www.airamericaradio.com).

With a new team of executives in charge and investors committing
additional capital, Air America President Jon Sinton predicted the
network could reach profitability by year's end.

"We are as far as I can determine the fastest-growing network in the
history of this industry," Sinton said, adding that its cumulative
national audience ranges from 2.5 million to 3 million listeners per
week.

That pales in comparison to the 20 million so-called "ditto heads" who
tune in weekly to hear Limbaugh on nearly 600 stations nationwide, but
Sinton noted that the conservative commentator has a 15-year jump on
Air America.

The KTLK launch marks a key turning point after the network was
unceremoniously dumped from another Los Angeles station last spring
due to a cash crunch.

Ironically, some of the network's biggest successes have come on
stations owned by Clear Channel Communications Inc. (CCU.N: Quote,
Profile, Research) , the media giant seen by liberals as a tool of the
right and whose subsidiary, Premiere Radio Networks, syndicates
Limbaugh's show.

But Sinton said it should come as no surprise "when businesses behave
in ways that will enhance their bottom line." As one industry insider
who spoke on condition of anonymity put it, "If Franken can deliver an
audience, they'll run to Franken. They don't care about his politics."

© Reuters 2005. All Rights Reserved.

Air America was shut down in its LA and Chicago markets yesterday.

Arthur Liu, owner of Multicultural Radio Broadcasting, which owns Air
America affiliates WNTD-950 AM in Chicago and KBLA-1580 AM in Los Angeles,

said Air America bounced a check and owes him more than $1
million.

Air America and Multicultural had entered into a time brokerage agreement
in which the network was essentially renting Multicultural's airtime, Liu
said.
"They bounced a check today," Liu said. "It's a default. They have paid
only a very small portion of what they owe us." Liu declined to say how
much Multicultural is owed, but did say he is holding $1 million in checks

that Air America has asked the company not to cash. One the basic rules of

capitalism: no rubber checks. I found that out early. And why aren’t all
those rich leftists helping out their ideological brethren?
"They've been saying, 'We're going to get you the money' for the past two
months," Liu said, referring to a security deposit that he said Air
America was supposed to have prepaid in advance of its launch. "They're
not honoring our agreement. "Sounds like my old tenants.

Oh and don’t you just love this title?

Liberal radio stations silenced…as if Multicultural Radio Broadcasting
were violating Air America’s rights by expecting to get paid.

Unlike the free enterprise model for broadcasting, stations PAY the
program supplier for programs, NEVER does a station GET PAID for carrying
a program. The arrangement with Air America and its stations was of
questionable legality in the first place.

www.worldnetdaily.com



MarkC wrote:

If any of you listened to this show do you know the title of the first
song that Martha played?
Thanks, Mark



David wrote:

Franken's Air America bounces back with Bush win
Wed Feb 2, 2005 08:03 PM ET
By Steve Gorman
LOS ANGELES, Feb 2 (Reuters) - Comedian and political provocateur Al
Franken says the re-election of U.S. President George W. Bush was bad
for the country but good for his fledgling liberal radio network, Air
America, as it strives to rebound from a rocky start.

Much as conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh grew in popularity as he
railed for eight years against Democrat Bill Clinton, Franken sees
Bush as the perfect foil in his mission to amplify the voice of the
political left on daytime talk radio.
In an interview with Reuters ahead of this week's return of Air
America to Los Angeles, the second largest U.S. city, Franken said he
was as disappointed as any lefty by Bush's victory over Democratic
challenger John Kerry.

But in his view, Kerry's loss was Air America's gain.

"Obviously, it's more fun to go after Bush's terrible ideas and
programs than to defend Kerry's not-quite-exactly-what-we -want
plans," said Franken, 53, whose New York-based show and the rest of
Air America's lineup will begin airing on KTLK-AM in Los Angeles on
Thursday, the day after Bush's State of the Union address.

By the end of the month, the network that began in just six cities on
March 31, 2004, then nearly collapsed weeks later amid financial woes,
will have spread to 50 stations nationwide, including outlets in 15 of
the top 20 markets, among them New York, Washington, D.C., Miami,
Boston, Atlanta and Philadelphia.

It will even venture into Bush's home state of Texas with a launch on
a Corpus Christi station later this month.

The network's programming, which includes shows hosted by actress
Janeane Garofalo and commentator Randi Rhodes, also airs on satellite
radio and the Internet on (http://www.airamericaradio.com).

With a new team of executives in charge and investors committing
additional capital, Air America President Jon Sinton predicted the
network could reach profitability by year's end.

"We are as far as I can determine the fastest-growing network in the
history of this industry," Sinton said, adding that its cumulative
national audience ranges from 2.5 million to 3 million listeners per
week.

That pales in comparison to the 20 million so-called "ditto heads" who
tune in weekly to hear Limbaugh on nearly 600 stations nationwide, but
Sinton noted that the conservative commentator has a 15-year jump on
Air America.

The KTLK launch marks a key turning point after the network was
unceremoniously dumped from another Los Angeles station last spring
due to a cash crunch.

Ironically, some of the network's biggest successes have come on
stations owned by Clear Channel Communications Inc. (CCU.N: Quote,
Profile, Research) , the media giant seen by liberals as a tool of the
right and whose subsidiary, Premiere Radio Networks, syndicates
Limbaugh's show.

But Sinton said it should come as no surprise "when businesses behave
in ways that will enhance their bottom line." As one industry insider
who spoke on condition of anonymity put it, "If Franken can deliver an
audience, they'll run to Franken. They don't care about his politics."

© Reuters 2005. All Rights Reserved.

wrote in message ...
Air America was shut down in its LA and Chicago markets yesterday.

Idiot alert. This news item is from 10 months ago.

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

| Bob Haberkost wrote:

| "dxAce" wrote in message
| ...

| I'm LMAO at the piece of **** 'tard from CanaDuh. When you get your
unemployment
| figures up, and your taxes lower, you come talk to us down here.

| Until then, you are just another suckling pig on the teat of the USA.

Look...I know you can't read so fast, so I'll write slow. None of the above
is true, except the laughing your ass off part. Seeing as you'll still be an
asshole when it falls off, it might actually make you a better person.

I can hope, anyway. But I really don't care. Bet you can't resists getting
in the last word.
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For direct replies, take out the contents between the hyphens. -Really!-

RHF wrote:
pumped-out via the Tax Free (therefore Taxpayer Supported)
Public Radio Stations (NPR/PRI).

They get most of their money from contributions from listeners and
unfortunately, corporations. Unfortunately, because it has led NPR to
avoid offending any of their contributers by reporting news contrary to
their interests.

DaviD,

BH,

MR,

My father was as Right Wing as anybody and he loved NPR News. Can you
cite a specific example of them being factually inaccurate, or do you
just condemn them because people who don't like the truth tell you to?

On 12 Feb 2005 02:13:51 -0800, "RHF"
wrote:

DaviD,
.
Yes the NPR Audience has been Listening since the 1970s and they
still Listen Today. They make-up a good part of the Liberal
'enlightened' Listeners that Air America wants to 'needs to'
Attract today grow and sustain itself in the future.
.
Before Air America - The present and future Air America Listeners
had to Listen to some Radio. And a good percentage of NPR Radio
Listeners are 'potential' Air America Listeners.
.
IMHO - More NPR 'type' Listeners will become Air America Listeners
then Rush Limbaugh Listeners would be become Air America Listeners.
.
just one mans opinion ~ RHF
.
.

Copolo, you are an idiot and you have no penis.

Copolo, you are an idiot and you have no penis.